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(New York Daily News)   If 3D plastic guns are outlawed, only 3D plastic criminals will have them   (nydailynews.com) divider line 360
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2013-05-05 03:29:09 PM
it's Blue and White.  just like Israel
 
2013-05-05 03:43:20 PM
You mean the picture of the printed gun with the broken trigger?
 
2013-05-05 03:57:53 PM
BSAB:
Anti-gun proposes any regulations = They're gonna confiscate all of our guns!
Pro-gun shows 3-d printed gun = Every nutjob is going to have an arsenal!

Neither point is accurate. Both sides have issues that need to be addressed. Unfortunately, our society has become too polarized for any rational discussion on any important issue.
 
2013-05-05 04:57:28 PM
3D printing is going to be as disruptive to manufacturing as the Internet was to IP. Give it 20 years and they'll be ubiquitous.
 
2013-05-05 05:07:44 PM
Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?
 
2013-05-05 05:12:37 PM

Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?


Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).
 
2013-05-05 05:15:08 PM

Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).


That's their problem.
 
2013-05-05 05:47:37 PM
"Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."


It's too late. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the guns, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the guns, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until hand held lasers become more powerful. We will then have untraceable phasers. No need to worry about bullets or noise suppression. Just a click and you can kill someone.
 
2013-05-05 05:48:46 PM
Impossible to detect?  I thought stuff like this was why they moved airports to backscatter machines instead of metal detectors?
 
2013-05-05 05:48:48 PM

Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).


The 3D printed guns that Defense Distributed have a piece of metal inside (aside from a nail that is used as a firing pin) to make it detectable by metal detectors. However, no one who prints one of their guns will have to put the metal piece in it. Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

There has to be way better control of these things.
 
2013-05-05 05:48:51 PM

Rincewind53: 3D printing is going to be as disruptive to manufacturing as the Internet was to IP. Give it 20 years and they'll be ubiquitous.


it's cause they make transformers

/more than meets teh eye
 
2013-05-05 05:49:05 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
/not amused that some random idiot can make those things
 
2013-05-05 05:49:52 PM

Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?


I think it's because they're printing the only part of the gun that actually has to be registered. You can buy all the barrels and triggers and hammers you want, but it's this hunk of stuff that makes it all work.
 
2013-05-05 05:51:18 PM

RexTalionis: Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.


They don't vanish, dude. They just stop shooting properly. You'd probably want something more reliable for a real assassination.
 
2013-05-05 05:52:45 PM

Raharu: You mean the picture of the printed gun with the broken trigger?


SHUSH YOU
3D PRINTING IS YOUR NEW GOD
EVERYTHING YOU KNEW IS OBSOLETE

ALL HAIL OUR THREE DIMENSIONAL FUTURE

Rincewind53: 3D printing is going to be as disruptive to manufacturing as the Internet was to IP. Give it 20 years and they'll be ubiquitous.


You have no clue about how anything is manufactured.

"3D printing" has been used in manufacturing for about 30 years now

The "disruptive" future you imagine is NOW.

What's happening is a new hobby market for plastic trinkets and exaggerated breathless stories like this one.

Also... information processing require little energy and very little material. 3D printing is about the physical world.

See the difference?

3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.
 
2013-05-05 05:53:40 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

"I'm comin' over to hurt your kids and take your property, and there's nothin' you can do to stop me, see?  Hmyeah!"
 
2013-05-05 05:54:45 PM
Imagine if instead of wanting to keep people from printing 'untraceable' 'undetectable' guns we might concentrate on wanting to keep people from wanting to use 'untraceable' 'undetectable' guns.

Also, no religion too.
 
2013-05-05 05:55:24 PM

poorjon: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

I think it's because they're printing the only part of the gun that actually has to be registered. You can buy all the barrels and triggers and hammers you want, but it's this hunk of stuff that makes it all work.


You don't have to register that piece if you manufacture it yourself. So says the law. If you have a machine shop, you can make all the metal unregistered (fully automatic, even) guns you want to make. Just don't try to sell or move them across state lines, and if you're in Arizona, don't manufacture a fully automatic gun because they've illegitimately banned them. Just because the manufacturing process got more affordable doesn't mean that it got more deadly or anything. Anyone who wants a zip gun can find plans for them on the internet already, and anyone who wants a real gun has probably just bought one by now. This is just posturing by a scared politician who doesn't understand technology or humanity. Banning the files will do about as much good as banning drugs. People who wouldn't use them anyway still won't, and people who want them will seek them out and use them even if they're banned. Big waste of time, like most things politicians do.
 
2013-05-05 05:55:36 PM

untaken_name: RexTalionis: Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

They don't vanish, dude. They just stop shooting properly. You'd probably want something more reliable for a real assassination.


It's a weapon that is undetectable by metal detectors that can be printed in someone's garage where the weapon will change and destroy the ballistic fingerprints of the rounds every time they fire, and will eventually be completely inoperative and can be melted down easily.
 
2013-05-05 05:55:53 PM
wasn't there a movie where teh guy had a plastic gun and tried to assassinate the president
 
2013-05-05 05:57:13 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: 3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.


What do most people shell out more for at Lenscrafters- the lenses, or those God-awful Christian Dior frames that they can easily print up on a printer now?
 
2013-05-05 05:58:08 PM
you DONT NEED LENSCRAFTERS all you NEED IS DIANETICS
 
2013-05-05 05:58:24 PM
souldonuts.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-05 05:58:35 PM
this is clearly what the founding fathers were thinking of when they drafted the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-05-05 05:59:59 PM

radarlove: Quantum Apostrophe: 3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.

What do most people shell out more for at Lenscrafters- the lenses, or those God-awful Christian Dior frames that they can easily print up on a printer now?


Because I still have aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh-ooooooooooooooshreeeeeeeeeeeeee-dialup?
 
2013-05-05 06:00:37 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [souldonuts.files.wordpress.com image 389x397]


I miss Max.  Somebody call Matt Frewer.  It's time for a reboot.
 
2013-05-05 06:01:28 PM
Antivirus companies can play their game in this market and make some money.  Add software to 3D printers that checks each file against a signature database and rejects files that print guns.  Charge subscription fees for updates.  Same business model they follow now.  Make it mandatory for all 3D printers and buyers.

Of course signature-based protection isn't complete.  For an additional fee, we can give you behavioral and heuristic real-time protection against uncatalogued "threats."  Anything that might be a gun part will be rejected.
 
2013-05-05 06:01:30 PM
3d printer ownership and gun manufacture should be mandatory. that will fix the problem.
 
2013-05-05 06:01:40 PM
Make the plastics out of hemp and power the printers with wind energy.  Protect the environment while protecting yourself in said environment.  The libtards will self-destruct with the overwhelming amount of cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-05-05 06:02:32 PM
Just wait until someone finds out you can buy a CNC mill and steel online and starts making guns out of (gasp) metal. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the plans for just the part of the receiver that is legally classified as a gun, all the other parts are basically what you can buy online or in any store.
 
2013-05-05 06:02:39 PM
The future just got a lot scarier.

I stopped reading right there. Stop with the fear mongering. These 'guns' are not being made on consumer level machines. A RepRap or a Makerbot will not produce items nearly strong enough to do this. Anyone with the money to buy a 3D printer capable of printing these items could easily afford to just buy reliable guns on the black market. Only certain parts of the gun are made of printed plastic. It still needs a metal barrel and firing pin at the very least. 3D printed guns are a stunt that is causing more harm to the future of additive manufacturing than anything else. The technology isn't anywhere near able to make this a real threat. There are multi-axis milling machines out there that could turn these parts out all day long but where's the media created outcry about them?
Imagine what this bad boy could do-
http://youtu.be/KDPA06D1r_8
 
2013-05-05 06:02:43 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: radarlove: Quantum Apostrophe: 3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.

What do most people shell out more for at Lenscrafters- the lenses, or those God-awful Christian Dior frames that they can easily print up on a printer now?

Because I still have aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh-ooooooooooooooshreeeeeeeeeeeeee-dialup?


¿lolque?
 
2013-05-05 06:03:33 PM

calbert: this is clearly what the founding fathers were thinking of when they drafted the 2nd Amendment.


Like the Internet and the First Amendment?
 
2013-05-05 06:03:44 PM

RexTalionis: untaken_name: RexTalionis: Considering that these printed guns also get destroyed after a few shots fired, they're almost perfect assassination weapons.

They don't vanish, dude. They just stop shooting properly. You'd probably want something more reliable for a real assassination.

It's a weapon that is undetectable by metal detectors that can be printed in someone's garage where the weapon will change and destroy the ballistic fingerprints of the rounds every time they fire, and will eventually be completely inoperative and can be melted down easily.


So what? Have you actually read up on any real-life assassinations, or are you basing your opinion on some Tom Clancy novel? You can make a zip gun with crap from Home Depot, have been able to for many many years. That still doesn't mean that they're used in a lot of assassinations. You can change the "ballistic fingerprints" (hint: you don't know much about ballistics) with steel wool or a sharp piece of metal, if it were even necessary. The only real advantage is avoiding metal detectors, and if you're going that route, there are plenty of non-metallic knives, and plenty of zip gun designs that could be assembled past the metal detector from seemingly innocuous parts. Additionally, a proper sniper rifle makes metal detectors useless anyway. Finally, assassination is easy. It's getting away with it that's difficult.
 
2013-05-05 06:03:57 PM
"A Texas company..."

Oh why am I not surprised.
 
2013-05-05 06:04:36 PM

detritus: Make the plastics out of hemp and power the printers with wind energy. Protect the environment while protecting yourself in said environment. The libtards will self-destruct with the overwhelming amount of cognitive dissonance.


Maybe so. The left hasn't evolved a natural resistance to the effects of CD from prolonged exposure, like the right has. Survival of the dimmest, I guess.
 
2013-05-05 06:05:07 PM

Rincewind53: Honest Bender: Why do they "have" to outlaw them?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it perfectly legal for me to manufacture my own firearms now?  What difference does it make how I do so?  Or are things just legal until it becomes too easy to do?

Key word here is  plastic. aka, invisible to metal detectors, therefore more dangerous and not permissible under federal law (I think).


good thing there "Plastic Gun" has the metal barrel
 
2013-05-05 06:05:11 PM

radarlove: thisisyourbrainonFark: radarlove: Quantum Apostrophe: 3D print yourself some Lenscrafters and think about it.

What do most people shell out more for at Lenscrafters- the lenses, or those God-awful Christian Dior frames that they can easily print up on a printer now?

Because I still have aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh-ooooooooooooooshreeeeeeeeeeeeee-dialup?

¿lolque?


It was my attempt at the old internet dial-up tone, you know, before there was a Fark or a farking Caturday.
 
2013-05-05 06:05:18 PM

Tellingthem: "Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."


It's too late. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the guns, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the guns, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until hand held lasers become more powerful. We will then have untraceable phasers. No need to worry about bullets or noise suppression. Just a click and you can kill someone.


Same applies to child porn, of course. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the child porn, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the child porn, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until virtual reality makes child porn even more realistic...
 
2013-05-05 06:06:00 PM
"Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."

How, Chuck? You've got 3D printers, which you say you have no problem with, and you have digital design files, which are essentially abstractions out there in the ether. What are you going to make illegal that could possibly stop somebody from obtaining and putting these two things together if they want? You're trying to ban an idea, you dope.
 
2013-05-05 06:06:26 PM
So why have regular metalworking tools been legal forever?  The general public has had access to metal working tools which can very easily make guns.  Illegal gun manufacturing has never been a significant issue in this country, so why is it now, when a device that can print shoes isn't far out of reach, that politicians suddenly care about illegally manufactured guns?

This isn't about guns, this is about manufacturers trying to keep you from being able to make your own products.
 
2013-05-05 06:06:31 PM
Something tells me it would be a lot cheaper and easier to just buy a shiat .22 on the street than it would be to buy a Makerbot, supplies, ammunition (or are they printing that too?), download the schematic, print a test run, then print the actual gun.
 
2013-05-05 06:06:38 PM
What he and his colleagues fail to realize is that the Genie is already out of the bottle.  Therefore, at this point, it is akin to legislating against sunshine.
They either know this or this is simply more anti-gun hype to stir the masses who have no clue of this reality.
 
2013-05-05 06:07:05 PM
Must get the popcorn ready...
 
2013-05-05 06:07:25 PM
With a $2000 printer you too can duplicate a $5 hardware store zipgun!
Except your plastic one will probably break.
 
2013-05-05 06:07:40 PM
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a 3D printer is a good guy with a 3D printer.
 
2013-05-05 06:07:44 PM

bugontherug: porn, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the child porn, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until virtual reality makes child porn even more realistic..


how do you even come up with these thoughts? i just lost my appetite. maybe you should become a diet counselor.
 
2013-05-05 06:08:16 PM

PsyLord: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x172]
/not amused that some random idiot can make those things


Came for this reference.
 
2013-05-05 06:08:41 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

3d plastic criminal
 
2013-05-05 06:09:18 PM

bugontherug: Tellingthem: "Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage," he said. "It must be stopped."


It's too late. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the guns, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the guns, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until hand held lasers become more powerful. We will then have untraceable phasers. No need to worry about bullets or noise suppression. Just a click and you can kill someone.

Same applies to child porn, of course. As soon as someone uploads the files online you are already too late. You can ban the child porn, you can ban the files, you can ban printing the child porn, but it is already too late. You can't stop the internet, you can only slow it down. And just wait until virtual reality makes child porn even more realistic...


Too late?
 
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