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2013-05-05 03:43:38 PM  
Greedy cretins like her are the reason charitable organizations are now increasingly viewed with suspicion.
 
2013-05-05 03:51:52 PM  

Apos: Greedy cretins like her many charities are the reason charitable organizations are now increasingly viewed with suspicion.


FTFY
 
2013-05-05 03:56:10 PM  
Someone who raises money for soldiers who shoot noncombatants turned out to be a sleazebag? Color me shocked.
 
2013-05-05 04:05:46 PM  
What is a movie rental?
 
2013-05-05 05:02:27 PM  
So is this a charity for war criminals? I don't get it.
 
2013-05-05 05:03:36 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: What is a movie rental?


I think it's trucks you get to move with temporarily.
 
2013-05-05 05:07:50 PM  
No honor among theives?
 
2013-05-05 05:08:02 PM  

redsquid: So is this a charity for war criminals? I don't get it.


Looks like.

Or as they call 'em: "incarcerated warriors"

/wink wink
 
2013-05-05 05:08:20 PM  
Approves

(explanation here)
 
2013-05-05 05:10:07 PM  
Oh well, the URL the site threw away was to a picture of Sean Hannity, and we've all seen enough of that douche's face anyway.
 
2013-05-05 05:12:52 PM  

SpdrJay: jehovahs witness protection: What is a movie rental?

I think it's trucks you get to move with temporarily.


stroke did i have just?
 
2013-05-05 05:18:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Apos: Greedy cretins like her many charities are the reason charitable organizations are now increasingly viewed with suspicion.

FTFY


Most charities are a scam.
 
2013-05-05 05:19:46 PM  
The head of a local charitable organization claiming to help soldiers incarcerated for crimes allegedly committed during combat instead used donated funds at liquor stores, Redbox kiosks and for other personal purposes, the Ohio Attorney General said Friday.

I'm torn.  On the one hand, the guy's a scumbag.  On the other hand, it he'd used the money for the intended purpose, it would be benefiting even scummier scumbags.

Sometimes there are no winners.
 
2013-05-05 05:20:30 PM  
(Lives in Dayton, clicks on link)
Riverside resident Cari Johnson

Riverside. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
 
2013-05-05 05:22:59 PM  
All "charities" are scams. To believe otherwise is to be a ridiculously gullible buffoon.

/yes, that one, too
 
2013-05-05 05:23:20 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-05 05:27:06 PM  

Saborlas: Someone who raises money for soldiers who shoot noncombatants turned out to be a sleazebag? Color me shocked.


Bout what I expected, sandy vaginal discharge in 3.
 
2013-05-05 05:28:25 PM  
I don't trust charities.
 
2013-05-05 05:30:54 PM  

thisisarepeat: Saborlas: Someone who raises money for soldiers who shoot noncombatants turned out to be a sleazebag? Color me shocked.

Bout what I expected, sandy vaginal discharge in 3.


I'm not sure they were saying all troops shoot noncombatants. But the guy's charity was, allegedly, to help defend soldiers accused of committing crimes during combat.

Crimes like, I suspect, shooting noncombatants...
 
2013-05-05 05:32:18 PM  
It is perfectly legal to use the funds for personal expenses, as long as you raise enough money and you are the administrator of the charity giving yourself a salary to operate the charity.  Isn't that what United Way is about?
 
2013-05-05 05:32:57 PM  

Saborlas: Someone who raises money for soldiers who shoot noncombatants turned out to be a sleazebag? Color me shocked.


Next you'll tell me that sean hannity's Freedom concerts were all a big scam.
 
2013-05-05 05:33:54 PM  
My stepfather get a crap ton of full color glossy flyers from various charity and political organizations (hes a recovering right-wing-nut).

I point out to him that if they are so desperate for money, how can they afford to send out these expensive marketing materials? Wouldn't the donations be better used on purpose with just the minimum spent on marketing?
 
2013-05-05 05:40:20 PM  

XanthPrime: It is perfectly legal to use the funds for personal expenses, as long as you raise enough money and you are the administrator of the charity giving yourself a salary to operate the charity.  Isn't that what United Way is about?


No, you can't declare yourself a non-profit and spend all the donations on salaries and administration.

If it were that easy, we would all proclaim ourselves as charities and never pay taxes again.
 
2013-05-05 05:43:34 PM  
 
2013-05-05 05:46:19 PM  
This is pretty much what I'd expect from most "charities". I'm sure there's some good ones out there, but if you want to help someone, you're better off helping those closer to you like your family and friends. There's probably someone in your life right now you could help, and they should be taken care of first before you start sending checks to random people.
 
2013-05-05 05:48:13 PM  

nmemkha: ...(hes a recovering right-wing-nut).


So, there is hope for them?
 
2013-05-05 05:50:42 PM  
Donate time, donate labor, donate clothing, donate food.  Buy cookies or port a pit tickets.

Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.
 
2013-05-05 05:51:16 PM  

NightOwl2255: nmemkha: ...(hes a recovering right-wing-nut).

So, there is hope for them?


There's probably some sort of program, I'm sure there is a charity out there to donate too, you know to make sure he recovers his right win nut-jobbery. Maybe Glenn Beck has something going.
 
2013-05-05 05:55:03 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: Donate time, donate labor, donate clothing, donate food.  Buy cookies or port a pit tickets.

Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.


Brilliant!

I give my worn out socks and old computer printers to Planned Parenthood.

You're welcome, Planned Parenthood!
 
2013-05-05 05:55:59 PM  

Felgraf: thisisarepeat: Saborlas: Someone who raises money for soldiers who shoot noncombatants turned out to be a sleazebag? Color me shocked.

Bout what I expected, sandy vaginal discharge in 3.

I'm not sure they were saying all troops shoot noncombatants. But the guy's charity was, allegedly, to help defend soldiers accused of committing crimes during combat.

Crimes like, I suspect, shooting noncombatants...


I dont think shooting COBs during combat is illegal, it is to be avoided though.  Its insane how many people imagine combat as troops easily dispatching "bad guys" that all immediately present as bad guys without doubt.  All the while saving babies and impressing the local women with their chivalry.  Like a shiatty old episode of Zorro.
 
2013-05-05 05:57:19 PM  
Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.
 
2013-05-05 05:58:54 PM  

jaytkay: captainmaxthedestroyer: Donate time, donate labor, donate clothing, donate food.  Buy cookies or port a pit tickets.

Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.

Brilliant!

I give my worn out socks and old computer printers to Planned Parenthood.

You're welcome, Planned Parenthood!


not sure if serious but... every Thanksgiving I donate food and old (not tore up) clothing to my local Salvation Army.  I say Fark donating to The United Way and Susan B Komen foundation - and I LOVE boobies.
 
2013-05-05 06:00:51 PM  
I didn't click through the article to read the site comments.  Knowing the Dayton Daily News, most of them will be walls of all-caps text about how <subject of article> is Obama's fault.

Living here during the Bosnian Accords was kinda cool, but it's been difficult to take this city seriously before or since.
 
2013-05-05 06:02:19 PM  

here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.


"This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification.  Seen so, war is the truest form of divination.  It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.  War is god. " - Cormac McCarthy
 
2013-05-05 06:03:46 PM  
That said, if you get ratted out and the rat is still alive a couple weeks later, then you probably deserved it.  If your accuser ends up getting Tillman-ated, you probably didnt.
 
2013-05-05 06:07:28 PM  
Isn't obtaining money under false pretenses also known as "Fraud"? And isn't Fraud a criminal offense? Why no jail time for such?
 
2013-05-05 06:10:36 PM  
your supposed to buy only RAMEN NOODLES and LITTLE CAESARS HOT AND READY PIZZAS WITH IT

HOW MUCH CANT YOU UNDERSTAND
 
2013-05-05 06:11:38 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.

"This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification.  Seen so, war is the truest form of divination.  It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.  War is god. " - Cormac McCarthy


Said a man who from what I can tell from his wiki has never been near a battlefield or any sort of violence at all, Kind of like the people that typically order these (various) wars.

We really should be on the standard of sacrificing your first born to start a war, if you REALLY believe in it's necessity.
 
2013-05-05 06:14:00 PM  
I think there are US federal laws as to what minimum percentage of donations can go to a cause in order to be legally operating as a charity. It's kind of low if I remember. Anyone know for sure?
 
2013-05-05 06:14:39 PM  

johnson442: Isn't obtaining money under false pretenses also known as "Fraud"? And isn't Fraud a criminal offense? Why no jail time for such?


"A portion of the proceeds goes to...."  As long as you have that in tiny print somewhere, I think you can drop a nickel in an envelope and send it to the intended beneficiary, keeping everything else without breaking the law.
 
2013-05-05 06:19:49 PM  
www.williamkwolfrum.com
 
2013-05-05 06:21:16 PM  

SpdrJay: I think it's trucks you get to move with temporarily.


Extreme parity we Canadian dollar also
 
2013-05-05 06:32:05 PM  

here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.


You really think war isnt glorified by the USA? The country lives off it.
 
2013-05-05 06:32:14 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: Donate time, donate labor, donate clothing, donate food.  Buy cookies or port a pit tickets.

Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.


How do you donate things people/organizations need but is not feasible to directly give?

My charity of choice is the local fuel bank, as I have an issue with granny having to choose between eating or keeping the thermostat above 50. It isn't realistic to collect heating oil from donors. Even if it were, the bank makes a dollar go further by getting discounted rates from suppliers.

I certainly don't advocate giving money to unknown charities, but I don't see what the issue is with giving money to a charity that is open with its books and is clearly doing the right thing with donated money.
 
2013-05-05 06:53:34 PM  

lizyrd: captainmaxthedestroyer: Donate time, donate labor, donate clothing, donate food.  Buy cookies or port a pit tickets.

Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.

How do you donate things people/organizations need but is not feasible to directly give?

My charity of choice is the local fuel bank, as I have an issue with granny having to choose between eating or keeping the thermostat above 50. It isn't realistic to collect heating oil from donors. Even if it were, the bank makes a dollar go further by getting discounted rates from suppliers.

I certainly don't advocate giving money to unknown charities, but I don't see what the issue is with giving money to a charity that is open with its books and is clearly doing the right thing with donated money.


Charities often get discounted prices and can do more with a certain amount of money than any individual. Some charities can use donated items more than others. If you trust a charity enough to donate something, it's generally more effective to give them cash than to purchase items to donate.
 
2013-05-05 06:57:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.

You really think war isnt glorified by the USA? The country lives off it.


I didn't say it wasn't. I said it shouldn't. Most normal people don't. Most soldiers don't (especially ones who've seen it up close). It seems like mostly chickenhawks, dummies and scam artists that do. In this case it was a scam artist. Never trust someone trying to sell you patriotism.
 
2013-05-05 07:00:53 PM  

FrancoFile: (Lives in Dayton, clicks on link)
Riverside resident Cari Johnson

Riverside. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.


Muscoy
 
2013-05-05 07:06:31 PM  
How is this different than any other charity in existence?
 
2013-05-05 07:11:11 PM  

albatros183: captainmaxthedestroyer: here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.

"This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification.  Seen so, war is the truest form of divination.  It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.  War is god. " - Cormac McCarthy

Said a man who from what I can tell from his wiki has never been near a battlefield or any sort of violence at all, Kind of like the people that typically order these (various) wars.

We really should be on the standard of sacrificing your first born to start a war, if you REALLY believe in it's necessity.


Every form of animal life on this planet goes to war of some extent.  We're the most advanced species, so we have the most advanced form of war.

I don't understand not wanting to refer to our soldiers as warriors.  What's the difference?  They both attain their goal via violence.
 
2013-05-05 07:14:34 PM  

bongon247: FrancoFile: (Lives in Dayton, clicks on link)
Riverside resident Cari Johnson

Riverside. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Muscoy


I guess Muscoy has not changed in the 30 years since I left San Bernadino. It was bad then.
 
2013-05-05 07:19:58 PM  
Which congressperson is this article about, again?
 
2013-05-05 07:22:25 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: albatros183: captainmaxthedestroyer: here to help: Can we please not call soldiers "warriors"? Warrior implies someone who is "warlike". Sure soldiers go to war but in the modern world war should be used to stop or curb violence and oppression. Not glorify it like freaking Huns.

"This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification.  Seen so, war is the truest form of divination.  It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.  War is god. " - Cormac McCarthy

Said a man who from what I can tell from his wiki has never been near a battlefield or any sort of violence at all, Kind of like the people that typically order these (various) wars.

We really should be on the standard of sacrificing your first born to start a war, if you REALLY believe in it's necessity.

Every form of animal life on this planet goes to war of some extent.  We're the most advanced species, so we have the most advanced form of war.

I don't understand not wanting to refer to our soldiers as warriors.  What's the difference?  They both attain their goal via violence.


There's actually a technical difference.
A warrior is someone who is skilled in single combat. Feudal knights were warriors.
A soldier is someone who is skilled in team combat. Members of a Swiss pike regiment or a modern infantry are soldiers.

You can make a civilian into a soldier into a few months.  It takes years of practice to create a warrior.
 
2013-05-05 07:25:34 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: Every form of animal life on this planet goes to war of some extent. We're the most advanced species, so we have the most advanced form of war.

I don't understand not wanting to refer to our soldiers as warriors. What's the difference? They both attain their goal via violence.


Animals also eat their young, rape each other, roll around in poop, etc. All that cool with you too?

And they are soldiers. That is what they are called. They can keep the peace, build stuff, help people, become teachers, politicians, businessmen, doctors, lawyers, etc. A warrior is someone who kills for glory. If the west want to be the world's protectors then naming the front line protectors warriors is a bad move.
 
2013-05-05 07:36:30 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: How is this different than any other charity in existence?


Actual charities depend on people who can act unselfishly and with integrity.

People who cannot grasp those concepts assume everyone else shares their childish and petty view of the world.
 
2013-05-05 07:52:06 PM  
Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

And before you say "If it's so cushy, you sign up," I would, except I'm too old.
 
2013-05-05 08:12:11 PM  

here to help: captainmaxthedestroyer: Every form of animal life on this planet goes to war of some extent. We're the most advanced species, so we have the most advanced form of war.

I don't understand not wanting to refer to our soldiers as warriors. What's the difference? They both attain their goal via violence.

Animals also eat their young, rape each other, roll around in poop, etc. All that cool with you too?

And they are soldiers. That is what they are called. They can keep the peace, build stuff, help people, become teachers, politicians, businessmen, doctors, lawyers, etc. A warrior is someone who kills for glory. If the west want to be the world's protectors then naming the front line protectors warriors is a bad move.


Defending one's country and its allies --> servicemen
Inscribing New Feats of Glory In Fame's Eternal Record --> "warriors"
 
2013-05-05 08:21:15 PM  
I wonder if he's still on bad terms with the Grove Street Families.  I know Rider and Big Smoke won't help him out, but has anybody got a comment from Sweet about all this?

/this can't possibly be obscure
 
2013-05-05 08:22:50 PM  

Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.


Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.
 
2013-05-05 08:55:13 PM  
His mistake was not registering his organization with him being CEO, and that would have been his salary.
 
2013-05-05 09:32:17 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.


I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?
 
2013-05-05 09:40:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.

I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?


No, but it also doesn't mean that you can't be called out for talking out your ass.  It's not legal, but discrimination against veterans is actually becoming common again.  Let me know when getting $.25 off a coffee at Starschmucks is worth a potential lifetime of disabling injuries, psychological issues, and being stereotyped as a PTSD time bomb waiting to go off.
 
2013-05-05 09:41:21 PM  

thisisarepeat: I dont think shooting COBs during combat is illegal, it is to be avoided though. Its insane how many people imagine combat as troops easily dispatching "bad guys" that all immediately present as bad guys without doubt. All the while saving babies and impressing the local women with their chivalry. Like a shiatty old episode of Zorro.


Perhaps I should have been clear: Crimes like INTENTIONALLY shooting noncombatants, or grievous GRIEVOUS incompetence/neglect,e tc etc.

/Yes, I know innocents/nocombatants die in war. that wasn't what I meant, apologies.
 
2013-05-05 09:50:10 PM  
Alert Anderson Cooper.
 
2013-05-05 10:01:56 PM  

Arumat: Tommy Moo: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.

I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?

No, but it also doesn't mean that you can't be called out for talking out your ass.  It's not legal, but discrimination against veterans is actually becoming common again.  Let me know when getting $.25 off a coffee at Starschmucks is worth a potential lifetime of disabling injuries, psychological issues, and being stereotyped as a PTSD time bomb waiting to go off.


Absolute horseshiat. Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service. It's not just a quarter off at Starbucks. They get huge, enormous, legitimate discounts on air travel, plus a good chunk of their lifetime health care covered at VA hospitals. You walk into any room and tell people you're a veteran and every woman in the room gets wet and every man in the room wants to shake your hand. What farking planet do you live on where veterans are a reviled minority? Are you farking kidding me?

Then on top of all of the social knob slobbery, we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets. It's already a hard enough job market without having a special class get boosted over you.
 
2013-05-05 10:09:13 PM  

justoneznot: This is pretty much what I'd expect from most "charities". I'm sure there's some good ones out there, but if you want to help someone, you're better off helping those closer to you like your family and friends. There's probably someone in your life right now you could help, and they should be taken care of first before you start sending checks to random people.


Indeed.  I've never failed to find all the needs I can satisfy within the sound of my voice.
 
2013-05-05 10:12:15 PM  

Tommy Moo: Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service...we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets.


I agree the "hero" worship is overboard. I've heard vets complain about the way nimrods automatically utter "Thank you for your service" like it's a religious mantra.

However, I do recognize that front-line troops voluntarily work where the risk of getting maimed or killed is simply part of the job.

Imagine if you interviewed for an office job, and the prospective boss said, "Oh, by the way, large numbers of our employees lose limbs. Some get killed and a few are horribly burned."
 
2013-05-05 10:12:49 PM  

Tommy Moo: Arumat: Tommy Moo: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.

I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?

No, but it also doesn't mean that you can't be called out for talking out your ass.  It's not legal, but discrimination against veterans is actually becoming common again.  Let me know when getting $.25 off a coffee at Starschmucks is worth a potential lifetime of disabling injuries, psychological issues, and being stereotyped as a PTSD time bomb waiting to go off.

Absolute horseshiat. Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service. It's not just a quarter off at Starbucks. They get huge, enormous, legitimate discounts on air travel, plus a good chunk of their lifetime health care covered at VA hospitals. You walk into any room and tell people you're a veteran and every woman in the room gets wet and every man in the room wants to shake your hand. What farking planet do you live on where veterans are a reviled minority? Are you farking kidding me?

Then on top of all of the social knob slobbery, we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets. It's already a hard enough job market without having a special class get boosted over you.


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2013-05-05 10:25:18 PM  

Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

And before you say "If it's so cushy, you sign up," I would, except I'm too old.


The benefits I got were: five semesters of $147 in GI Bill per month, I think maybe six free cups of coffee, free beer on one occasion. Dental insurance for ~3 years for $28/month (it wasn't open to Reserves before 2006), a few store discounts on occasion, and... some uniforms. And no it's not 'for the rest of your life', there are plenty of businesses, employers, neighbors, friends, who don't give a shiat what you did or worse make you a target for it.

Only long term Active Duty get the kind of benefits you're talking about. Reservists make up about a third and most of them only get a few benefits, most of which end when they get out.
 
2013-05-05 10:25:59 PM  

jaytkay: Tommy Moo: Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service...we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets.

I agree the "hero" worship is overboard. I've heard vets complain about the way nimrods automatically utter "Thank you for your service" like it's a religious mantra.

However, I do recognize that front-line troops voluntarily work where the risk of getting maimed or killed is simply part of the job.

Imagine if you interviewed for an office job, and the prospective boss said, "Oh, by the way, large numbers of our employees lose limbs. Some get killed and a few are horribly burned."


Yes, frontline soldiers deserve special compensation (and they do get it; we might argue that it's not enough special compensation, but there is hazard/combat pay). But I draw a distinction. Most people have this image in their head that it's somehow normal in the 21st century for soldiers to be dug into trenches with bullets whizzing past their heads. Most people who join the military sit behind a desk in an air conditioned room. My lazy cousin was "deployed" to Missouri for two years, where he read magazines and collected a paycheck. His job was to repair humvees, but he never got more than a couple of oil changes a week. He eventually got a dishonorable discharge for being too farking fat and failing his PT, whereupon he was greeted with a hometown hero's welcome for his "service" that your tax dollars paid for.
 
2013-05-05 10:26:02 PM  

Tommy Moo: Arumat: Tommy Moo: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.

I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?

No, but it also doesn't mean that you can't be called out for talking out your ass.  It's not legal, but discrimination against veterans is actually becoming common again.  Let me know when getting $.25 off a coffee at Starschmucks is worth a potential lifetime of disabling injuries, psychological issues, and being stereotyped as a PTSD time bomb waiting to go off.

Absolute horseshiat. Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service. It's not just a quarter off at Starbucks. They get huge, enormous, legitimate discounts on air travel, plus a good chunk of their lifetime health care covered at VA hospitals. You walk into any room and tell people you're a veteran and every woman in the room gets wet and every man in the room wants to shake your hand. What farking planet do you live on where veterans are a reviled minority? Are you farking kidding me?

Then on top of all of the social knob slobbery, we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets. It's already a hard enough job market without having a special class get boosted over you.


Three percent of Americans serve,  three percent of them ever see combat.  Unless you get a purple heart*, were a POW, or are 30% or more irreparably farked.  You dont really get shiat from the VA, even then you have to put up a fight, often lawers are required.  Besides everybody is going to get to see how farking awesome VA healthcare is pretty soon with Obamacare.  As far as the pussy and respect go, there was a little of that going on from 03-06 but nobody gives a shiat anymore.  You can put military service on your resume but unless you were trained in one of the many "No farking chance of getting hurt modes of service"  employers dont see much they can work with, unless you want to dig ditches or load trucks by hand.

But those airline discounts, boy howdy am I glad I wasted four years of my life for that!

*I have a Purple Heart, but i'm only 20% irreparably farked so I get acces to the clinics and my service connected issues are free but any others are not.  no vision, no dental.
 
2013-05-05 10:30:42 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: Never, ever, ever donate straight cash to any charity.


You do realize it costs money to run a charity, right? Or are you one of those morons who thinks labor is free?
 
2013-05-05 11:02:42 PM  

Tommy Moo: Arumat: Tommy Moo: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Tommy Moo: Christ soldiers get a lot of benefits. I don't want to hear any more about "sacrifice" or "service." The military is a sweet gig. You get paid less than the rest of us, but there are a million charities and corporate discounts ensuring that you get a bunch of free shiat and upgrades everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

Said by someone who has never put on the uniform.

I've also never been an NBA player. Does that mean I don't have the right to observe that they have awesome lives?

No, but it also doesn't mean that you can't be called out for talking out your ass.  It's not legal, but discrimination against veterans is actually becoming common again.  Let me know when getting $.25 off a coffee at Starschmucks is worth a potential lifetime of disabling injuries, psychological issues, and being stereotyped as a PTSD time bomb waiting to go off.

Absolute horseshiat. Everywhere I look people are worshiping veterans as "heroes" and honoring their service. It's not just a quarter off at Starbucks. They get huge, enormous, legitimate discounts on air travel, plus a good chunk of their lifetime health care covered at VA hospitals. You walk into any room and tell people you're a veteran and every woman in the room gets wet and every man in the room wants to shake your hand. What farking planet do you live on where veterans are a reviled minority? Are you farking kidding me?

Then on top of all of the social knob slobbery, we now have special government programs that discriminate against non-veterans by paying companies to hire vets. It's already a hard enough job market without having a special class get boosted over you.


If you count a yellow ribbon that probably has "Made in China" stamped on it somewhere stuck to somebody's vehicle as hero worship, then you've got other issues.  I haven't seen any of what you're talking about amount to anything more than lip service and a few discounts I'm too broke to take advantage of anyway.  The only benefits I've got that I'm really taking advantage of are the healthcare, and vocational rehabilitation and since those issues are largely because of my service, I don't really feel too bad about it.

/40% disability rating, if you care.
//10% for knee/foot/back issues, 30% for depression/anxiety
///third slashie because most of the public that thinks about the armed forces at all think the military is like G.I. Joe, and the rest think soldiers eat babies
 
2013-05-05 11:27:00 PM  
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2013-05-06 12:48:20 AM  

jaytkay: RembrandtQEinstein: How is this different than any other charity in existence?

Actual charities depend on people who can act unselfishly and with integrity.

People who cannot grasp those concepts assume everyone else shares their childish and petty view of the world.


There is no such thing as an actual charity. There are only organizations that sell the promise of "doing good" in order to extract money from the gullible. In other words they are professional bullshiatters.

Regardless of the actual work done once the "charity" becomes larger than a bake sale for the local children's sports club there is always an individual or group whose salary depends on "giving". At that point the decision making shifts from whatever ephemeral good which was the original goal and toward perpetuating the organization and funding the lifestyles to which the executives and board members have become accustomed.

All charities are scams. Until a person is debt free, owns a home/land and has 30 years of retirement savings they shouldn't give away a single dime.
 
2013-05-06 10:50:12 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: There is no such thing as an actual charity. There are only organizations that sell the promise of "doing good" in order to extract money from the gullible. In other words they are professional bullshiatters.


Thanks for reinforcing the point - "People who cannot grasp those concepts assume everyone else shares their childish and petty view of the world".

Paranoid stingy hateful assholes assume everyone shares their unhappy ignorance.
 
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