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(Slate)   A half-naked witch doctor is why creationism is still being taught in Louisiana schools. No, really   (slate.com) divider line 379
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2013-05-06 09:44:56 AM  
After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth
 
2013-05-06 10:09:54 AM  
Lousyiana: Broke and Stupid.

like the rest of the South


did i mention its also Republican territory.  like the rest of the south.
 
2013-05-06 11:05:39 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth


So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?
 
2013-05-06 11:22:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?


I think many responses are also for the benefit of lurkers that don't know much on the subject.
 
2013-05-06 11:33:35 AM  

Erix: cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?

I think many responses are also for the benefit of lurkers that don't know much on the subject.


Yes; once again I will point out  Ishkur's excellent summary of the beginning of life.
 
2013-05-06 11:55:59 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?


To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.  He just makes shiat up as he goes along.  What you're doing is the equivalent of saying that you're practicing your sharpshooting by playing Call of Duty.
 
2013-05-06 12:21:58 PM  
Silly stupid creationists don't even know what Europe looks like.
 
2013-05-06 12:30:46 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?

To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.  He just makes shiat up as he goes along.


And which camp do you think the majority of Young Earthers fall into?
 
2013-05-06 12:34:46 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?

To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.  He just makes shiat up as he goes along.  What you're doing is the equivalent of saying that you're practicing your sharpshooting by playing Call of Duty.


It never hurts to be more capable of quickly and succinctly smashing down the bullshiat of the stupidly ignorant.  Many times there are people who aren't stupid but are ignorant around, and while you won't change a skinnyhead's mind, you may limit their influence.  With that said, I have skinnyhead on ignore because he is obnoxious, fwiw. I'd like to think he is just a persona, but I've met all too many people irl who are also make the same false arguments over and over.

"Obama said this in his book"
/snopes
'Nah, he actually said this'
"Oh, well that is referring to something else he said, not what I said he said, which I'm sure is in his book because my chain email said so"

These same people will then, never having found where in the book their supposed quote comes from, wait until they think people have forgotten how stupid they are and then repeat the lie later.  It's kind of disgusting to me that people can be so dishonest and stupid.
 
2013-05-06 12:43:05 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.


Yes. And SkinnyHead actually knows how "debate" with cdesign proponentsists works.

TwoBeersOneCan: He just makes shiat up as he goes along.


Which is different from other cdesign proponentsists like Answers in Genesis or The Discovery Institute... how?
 
2013-05-06 12:44:37 PM  

Erix: TwoBeersOneCan: cameroncrazy1984: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

/you can breath through your nose, guys
//not just your mouth

So you've never kept sharp by sparring with a dummy?

To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.  He just makes shiat up as he goes along.

And which camp do you think the majority of Young Earthers fall into?


Exactly.  Why would you practice debating someone who fundamentally is unable to debate with someone who is apparently unwilling or unable to debate?  Young Earthers can only be defeated by ignoring them, educating the people who aren't crazy (because a Young Earther won't allow themselves to be educated), then letting them be their little delusional minority, but instead, our society decides to amplify their voices with media attention, much as you guys amplify Skinnyhead's monumental stupidity.
 
2013-05-06 12:46:28 PM  

abb3w: TwoBeersOneCan: To practice your debate skills, you have to debate with someone who actually knows how debate works.

Yes. And SkinnyHead actually knows how "debate" with cdesign proponentsists works.

TwoBeersOneCan: He just makes shiat up as he goes along.

Which is different from other cdesign proponentsists like Answers in Genesis or The Discovery Institute... how?


Would you try to debate with AiG or the Discovery Institute?  It would be a much more productive use of your time to ignore them, then educate those who aren't lunatics.
 
2013-05-06 01:00:53 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: Would you try to debate with AiG or the Discovery Institute? It would be a much more productive use of your time to ignore them, then educate those who aren't lunatics.


However, the gesture of "debating" with such schmucks and pointing out the problems with their arguments is one possible means for educating those who aren't lunatics. Additionally, trying to find cracks in SkinnyHead's arguments that allow for presenting better information is useful as practice for such finding such cracks when talking to those only marginally less whacked out.

That's even without getting into complications regarding memetic innoculation and counter-innoculation.
 
2013-05-06 01:02:26 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: To start with (warning: Nerding ahead), 'psychic' is a cultural term. The experiences of, say, visions, are a human universal--the  an da shealladh of Scotland, the drawings of Australian aborigines, etc.--and that goes for quite a few other 'psychic' experiences. Now, those experiences  have been proven real. The University of College London and University of Granada both linked synthesia to reading ...

There was no "nerding" about the gibberish nonsense you just put forth. I like people like you though, because it makes it so easy to just categorize you as a nutter.


Yeah, forgot to delete that--I was going to go on and explain how the term 'psychic' itself is a purely cultural term that does not refer to the physical abilities but rather to the subculture formed by people with those abilities, but then I realized I could make my point without anthro-nerding.

And you really should read one or two of my links before calling me a nutter.

Jim_Callahan: PsiChick: Um...that's the point, genius. It's not 'oh my god, the laws of physics no longer exist!', it's 'wait a minute, these folks are actually experiencing something'. That  is big. It indicates the human brain does something we didn't previously know it did.

Every portion of the brain lights up under some stimulus, so what's weird about what the bit that lights up for mediums, exactly?  What does it correlate to that's unexpected?

By telling us that there are regions of the brain that light up when hanging out with a cold-reader, all you're telling us are that the cold reader is a thing, that exists, that the subjects can sense.

... holy shiat, you've proven that psychics aren't invisible.  WOAH MIND BLOWN.


The article I linked to answers that exact question. Funny, it's almost like you didn't read the thing.
 
2013-05-06 01:33:57 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.


Not me.

I earned a TotalFark subscription for my efforts. So I'm getting something out of it.

I don't care how stupid and futile it is -- educating people and fighting ignorance may very well be one of the most noble activities that one can engage in.

/I also chased away Bevets
//believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn
 
2013-05-06 02:07:54 PM  

Ishkur: //believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn


Don't forget polite. More than a few folk have gotten permabans for rudeness.

PsiChick: The article I linked to answers that exact question.


Er, which one? You gave at least five links.
 
2013-05-06 02:20:16 PM  

abb3w: Ishkur: //believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn

Don't forget polite. More than a few folk have gotten permabans for rudeness.

PsiChick: The article I linked to answers that exact question.

Er, which one? You gave at least five links.


You referenced the MRI article. There's only one article I marked 'and we know what part of a medium's brain lights up when they're doing their thing' (or something along those lines). That's the MRI article.

Ishkur: /I also chased away Bevets


Dude, really? We need to give this guy\girl a medal, Fark, stat!
 
2013-05-06 02:46:22 PM  

PsiChick: You referenced the MRI article.


Er, no. That was Jim_Callahan; but thanks.

The underlying technical journal piece for that science news piece looks to be (doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0049360); however, I'm not seeing in either technical nor the science news pieces the answer to what's weird about what the bit that lights up for mediums. Are you referring to the differential level of activation between experienced and inexperienced psychographers? Or the relative increase in writing complexity produced?
 
2013-05-06 02:58:42 PM  

abb3w: PsiChick: You referenced the MRI article.

Er, no. That was Jim_Callahan; but thanks.

The underlying technical journal piece for that science news piece looks to be (doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0049360); however, I'm not seeing in either technical nor the science news pieces the answer to what's weird about what the bit that lights up for mediums. Are you referring to the differential level of activation between experienced and inexperienced psychographers? Or the relative increase in writing complexity produced?


Both, actually.
 
2013-05-06 03:27:31 PM  

abb3w: PsiChick: You referenced the MRI article.

Er, no. That was Jim_Callahan; but thanks.

The underlying technical journal piece for that science news piece looks to be (doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0049360); however, I'm not seeing in either technical nor the science news pieces the answer to what's weird about what the bit that lights up for mediums. Are you referring to the differential level of activation between experienced and inexperienced psychographers? Or the relative increase in writing complexity produced?


At least the authors are being appropriately cautious about their results and what they might mean. As the authors themselves point out, this was an exploratory study, and the statistics were not as rigorous as would normally be expected. The discussion raises a number of points, but (appropriately) does not appear to draw any solid conclusions.
 
2013-05-06 03:35:26 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ooo eee ooo ahh ah.


I'm sure if I read further down in the thread I will see it at least once, but in any case I am compelled at this point to subjoin:

"Ting, tang, walla walla bing bang."
 
2013-05-06 03:53:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Silly stupid creationists don't even know what Europe looks like.


Creationists think Australia is located in central Europe.
 
2013-05-06 05:50:43 PM  

Ishkur: TwoBeersOneCan: After browsing this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the only Farkers dumber than Skinnyhead are the ones who keep responding to him.

Not me.

I earned a TotalFark subscription for my efforts. So I'm getting something out of it.

I don't care how stupid and futile it is -- educating people and fighting ignorance may very well be one of the most noble activities that one can engage in.

/I also chased away Bevets
//believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn



Please keep it up, you are one of my fark heroes.

You're like an Internet batman of information that stops thread muggings.
 
2013-05-06 05:52:04 PM  

Ishkur: //believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn


I'm only rude in Economics threads. Because Austrians piss me off far more than Creationists.
 
2013-05-06 05:52:50 PM  
err... that was meant to be a reply to abb3w, not myself.
 
2013-05-06 06:33:34 PM  

Ishkur: Ishkur: //believe me, this works. You just gotta be patient, persistent, and shoot down their stupid questions at every turn

I'm only rude in Economics threads. Because Austrians piss me off far more than Creationists.


And the Dutch...
 
2013-05-06 07:00:18 PM  
Wait...WHICH Doctor's half naked?

/pleasebeTenpleasebeTen
//Eleven would also be acceptable
///Nine's getting too old
////disappointed in you Farkers
 
2013-05-06 11:22:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: The law they are trying to repeal states that: "The State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, upon request of a city, parish, or other local public school board, shall allow and assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."

What's wrong with "critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories."  Would they prefer a law that prohibits students from using critical thinking skills and logic?


Basic science IS critical thinking.  Creationism is blind faith WITHOUT critical thinking.
 
2013-05-07 03:16:38 AM  

Ishkur: vygramul: Skinnyhead doesn't understand how you can falsify evolution because he is unimaginative.

Falsifying evolution is as hard as falsifying gravity because it's so farking obvious. He'd have to prove that every species in the world does not change or adapt to its environment. We've witnessed that happening! Hell, we've directed it with animal husbandry, evolving specific traits for our needs over thousands of years.

What did he think was going on when we did that?


Actually, evolution would have been very hard to defend today if we had not discovered genes and inheritance of genetic traits. This was one of the big predictions of evolution, that there would be some means by which parents could pass on their individual traits to their offspring; at Darwin's time nobody knew what this was. Darwin took a lot of heat for this; it was only with the discovery of genes and DNA that this prediction was verified. This is an example of a theory predicting something which has later been verified; since this has happened, the theory of evolution is on exceptionally stable ground.
 
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