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(Townhall)   Want to cut government waste? How about starting with the one federal prison which costs 12 times as much per inmate than any other?   (townhall.com) divider line 149
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2013-05-05 11:18:09 AM  
GITMO hosts a Detention Camp, not a prison.

SEMANTICS PEOPLE
 
2013-05-05 11:22:25 AM  
How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.
 
2013-05-05 11:26:10 AM  
Blame Obama for one of his many broken campaign promises.
 
2013-05-05 11:35:32 AM  

doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.


This and LOL @ Townhall for suggesting GITMO is wasteful as a not-so-transparent way of highlighting one of Obama's broken campaign promises.  It was the GOP that was saying in his first term that GITMO can't be closed because of National Security.
 
2013-05-05 11:39:37 AM  

slayer199: doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.

This and LOL @ Townhall for suggesting GITMO is wasteful as a not-so-transparent way of highlighting one of Obama's broken campaign promises.  It was the GOP that was saying in his first term that GITMO can't be closed because of National Security.


And a big reason Obama hasn't pushed harder to close Gitmo is because the Republicans in Congress went nuts about it.
 
2013-05-05 11:43:52 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Blame Obama for one of his many broken campaign promises.


Yeah, fark Obama for not predicting that the Republican congress would do everything possible to stop every single thing he tried to do,
 
2013-05-05 11:48:05 AM  

slayer199: doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.

This and LOL @ Townhall for suggesting GITMO is wasteful as a not-so-transparent way of highlighting one of Obama's broken campaign promises.  It was the GOP that was saying in his first term that GITMO can't be closed because of National Security.


Step One: Find a political enemy.
Step Two: Ruin all of their plans as best you can.
Step Three: Declare their plans, and by extension them, failures.
 
2013-05-05 11:56:55 AM  

doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.


Too many monied interests for that to happen, at least in the near future. The "Keep Pot Illegal" crowd -- folks like Big Pharma, police unions, for-profit prisons, Big Tobacco, and the military hardware manufacturers who sell to the cops and DEA, among others -- have more and better-funded lobbyists than the "End Prohibition" crowd.

The best us anti-prohibitionists can hope for would be for our numbers to be enough to overwhelm the prohibitionists. But they're so entrenched that it would be like Thermopylae, only without the goat path or an Ephialtes to direct us to the flanking position... and the Spartans (prohibitionists) armed with modern-day riot gear and AR-15 assault rifles while the Persians (anti-prohibitionists) are stuck with Bronze Age equipment.
 
2013-05-05 12:01:38 PM  

King Something: doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.

Too many monied interests for that to happen, at least in the near future. The "Keep Pot Illegal" crowd -- folks like Big Pharma, police unions, for-profit prisons, Big Tobacco, and the military hardware manufacturers who sell to the cops and DEA, among others -- have more and better-funded lobbyists than the "End Prohibition" crowd.

The best us anti-prohibitionists can hope for would be for our numbers to be enough to overwhelm the prohibitionists. But they're so entrenched that it would be like Thermopylae, only without the goat path or an Ephialtes to direct us to the flanking position... and the Spartans (prohibitionists) armed with modern-day riot gear and AR-15 assault rifles while the Persians (anti-prohibitionists) are stuck with Bronze Age equipment.


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2013-05-05 12:07:57 PM  
i798.photobucket.com

Nope.
 
2013-05-05 12:08:31 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, fark Obama for not predicting that the Republican congress would do everything possible to stop every single thing he tried to do,


Yep, everything Obama fails to do is because of Republicans. Perhaps you can explain to me then why the vote that would have allocated funds for the closing of Gitmo was 90-6 against in the senate? I never knew there were only 6 democratic senators.
 
2013-05-05 12:27:52 PM  
The thing I've always wondered about is why do my tax dollars pay to stock lakes with fish? Shouldn't the fishermen be paying for that themselves?
 
2013-05-05 12:35:42 PM  

EvilEgg: The thing I've always wondered about is why do my tax dollars pay to stock lakes with fish? Shouldn't the fishermen be paying for that themselves?


And why do they pay for those national forests? farking trees don't need money.
 
2013-05-05 12:37:46 PM  
All federal programs are wasteful and unconstitutional unless I like them.  Then they're completely acceptable.
 
2013-05-05 01:07:59 PM  
If y'all wanted Gitmo closed so bad, why didn't you do it when Obama proposed it the first time?

Oh, right.
 
2013-05-05 01:12:05 PM  
OK.  Close it.

Popcorn Johnny: Mugato: Yeah, fark Obama for not predicting that the Republican congress would do everything possible to stop every single thing he tried to do,

Yep, everything Obama fails to do is because of Republicans. Perhaps you can explain to me then why the vote that would have allocated funds for the closing of Gitmo was 90-6 against in the senate? I never knew there were only 6 democratic senators.


I never knew Obama = Democratic Senators.
 
2013-05-05 01:30:26 PM  
 
2013-05-05 01:35:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I never knew Obama = Democratic Senators.


Wait, what? Obama couldn't even get his own side to support him, you do understand the point, right?
 
2013-05-05 01:56:18 PM  

doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.


Yup.  Never happen It since to keep the prison population up they would have to get rid of the current probation system.  This would mean dangerous repeat offenders would spend more time in jail where they would be unable to train the next generation of dangerous criminals.
 
2013-05-05 01:58:51 PM  
I saw a similar article on reddit, but I never thought I'd see Townhall of all sites pick this up.   The hypocrisy never ends, huh?
 
2013-05-05 02:01:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: I never knew Obama = Democratic Senators.

Wait, what? Obama couldn't even get his own side to support him, you do understand the point, right?


Wait, what?  You blamed Obama.  It was not Obama that stopped it from happening.

You do see how you were wrong, right?
 
2013-05-05 02:03:12 PM  

Emposter: I saw a similar article on reddit, but I never thought I'd see Townhall of all sites pick this up.   The hypocrisy never ends, huh?


Hypocrisy? Never! ClownHall has very consistently taken the position that libs bad.

However, the Greenwald article above lays out some very important facts, too. If Obama really wants to take another stab at closing down Guantanamo he's going to have to actually address the real problems with the system underlying instead of just moving the prisoners to hellish permanent imprisonment in a different site.
 
2013-05-05 02:05:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: I never knew Obama = Democratic Senators.

Wait, what? Obama couldn't even get his own side to support him, you do understand the point, right?


Since you are blaming Obama for not closing it... no, I don't think anyone understands your point.
 
2013-05-05 02:05:37 PM  
Moroned to death in 3
 
2013-05-05 02:06:42 PM  
Oh great.....so now this is breaking news?

Thanks TownHall. That's some fine fact slippage you are doing there.

House Panel Rejects a Plan to Shift Detainees to Illinois
New York Times
Published: May 20, 2010 ">
 
2013-05-05 02:07:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Wait, what?  You blamed Obama.  It was not Obama that stopped it from happening.

You do see how you were wrong, right?


So what you're saying is that when Obama made a campaign promise to close Gitmo, he thought all he had to do was make a phone call?
 
2013-05-05 02:07:56 PM  

doglover: How about ending the war on drugs, releasing ALL the non-violent narcotics offenders, and pruning the federal enforcement budgets accordingly.


Amen.
 
2013-05-05 02:08:35 PM  

salvador.hardin: Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: I never knew Obama = Democratic Senators.

Wait, what? Obama couldn't even get his own side to support him, you do understand the point, right?

Since you are blaming Obama for not closing it... no, I don't think anyone understands your point.


Obama has chosen not to circumvent democracy and use his Dark Sith mind powers to force Congress to vote how he wants.  That was HIS choice, and no one elses.  He could have done it, but instead he would rather continue this farcical claim of not having magical powers instead of fixing the problems that plague our country.

WTF is this guys problem?  Worst.  President.  Ever.
 
2013-05-05 02:09:59 PM  
Mugato and Popcorn Johnny make incorrect statements for the closing of Gitmo, solely on the GOP Senators and Obama, respectively.

want to guess which one faces the firing squad?
 
2013-05-05 02:11:53 PM  
Is there an action Obama can take that won't be criticized by the right?

He could resign tomorrow and he'd take flak for not seeing his term through. He could repeal the 16th amendment and they'd give him shiat for not also repealing the 14th. He orders the take down of bin Laden, and then he gets shiat for taking credit for it. He orders spicy mustard on a farking Hamburger and he gets shiat for it.
 
2013-05-05 02:13:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: Wait, what?  You blamed Obama.  It was not Obama that stopped it from happening.

You do see how you were wrong, right?

So what you're saying is that when Obama made a campaign promise to close Gitmo, he thought all he had to do was make a phone call?


So what you're saying is that when something doesn't get done because of someone other than Obama, you blame Obama?
 
2013-05-05 02:14:34 PM  

dumbobruni: Mugato and Popcorn Johnny make incorrect statements for the closing of Gitmo, solely on the GOP Senators and Obama, respectively.

want to guess which one faces the firing squad?


Oh, boo-hoo.  People are so mean!!
 
2013-05-05 02:14:48 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: So what you're saying is that when something doesn't get done because of someone other than Obama, you blame Obama?


I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.
 
2013-05-05 02:15:03 PM  
Other than saving some money, what good would it have done to close Gitmo if Obama was just planning on continuing indefinite detention anyway?
 
2013-05-05 02:22:03 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.


Your bias is showing. Being unable to impose your agenda on an unsympathetic Congress does not equate reneging on campaign promises, nor make someone a liar.
This is exactly one of those bullshiat situations where Obama is expected to have dictatorial powers to get things done and is somehow criticized for it even though that's not how government works. How are you blaming Obama instead of the 90 Senators that voted against it?
 
2013-05-05 02:25:27 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.

Your bias is showing. Being unable to impose your agenda on an unsympathetic Congress does not equate reneging on campaign promises, nor make someone a liar.
This is exactly one of those bullshiat situations where Obama is expected to have dictatorial powers to get things done and is somehow criticized for it even though that's not how government works. How are you blaming Obama instead of the 90 Senators that voted against it?


It's one thing to not even bother trying to follow through on a campaign promise. That happens quite a bit and those guys are liars when they do that.

It's another to try to follow on your campaign promise, only to have it stall and then die in Congress. Obama tried to close down GITMO but Congress stopped him by taking away all the funds for it.

How does that make him a liar?
 
2013-05-05 02:26:02 PM  

violentsalvation: [i798.photobucket.com image 603x472]

Nope.



That looks like a poster you'd see playing Bioshock Infinite.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-05 02:26:05 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Your bias is showing.


I'm not biased at all, politicians shouldn't promise shiat they can't deliver on. Stop acting as if Obama can do no wrong.
 
2013-05-05 02:27:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'm not biased at all, politicians shouldn't promise shiat they can't deliver on. Stop acting as if Obama can do no wrong.


Your bias is showing. No one is acting like that.
 
2013-05-05 02:29:24 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Other than saving some money, what good would it have done to close Gitmo if Obama was just planning on continuing indefinite detention anyway?


Just for your reference, Popcorn Johnny, here's something you can actually criticize him about without rewriting the rules of government.
 
2013-05-05 02:31:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How does that make him a liar?


He said "I will close Gitmo"

Gitmo is still open, 5 years later.
 
2013-05-05 02:33:14 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: How does that make him a liar?

He said "I will close Gitmo"

Gitmo is still open, 5 years later.


So if you try to close Gitmo but fail, that makes you a liar?
 
2013-05-05 02:33:20 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: He said "I will close Gitmo"

Gitmo is still open, 5 years later.


Your bias is showing. Being unable to impose your agenda on an unsympathetic Congress does not equate reneging on campaign promises, nor make someone a liar.
This is exactly one of those bullshiat situations where Obama is expected to have dictatorial powers to get things done and is somehow criticized for it even though that's not how government works. How are you blaming Obama instead of the 90 Senators that voted against it?
 
2013-05-05 02:36:02 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: So what you're saying is that when something doesn't get done because of someone other than Obama, you blame Obama?

I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.


Are you just know realizing that politicians don't always keep promises?  Welcome to the real world.

If a politician actually attempts to follow through, and is stopped by others, I'm OK with the fact that an effort was made.

But you keep voting for those politicians who always keep every single promise they make, even in the face of opposition.
 
2013-05-05 02:36:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.


I'm curious what you feel about Gitmo outside of the Presidents statements.  Do you want to see it closed as well?  Or do you think closing it would be a risk to national security.  If you oppose it's closure, then wouldn't you be outraged that the President has weakened our security? If you support it's closure, wouldn't you assign just as much blame to Congress?

I get the feeling this is more about Obama than it is about Gitmo.
 
2013-05-05 02:36:43 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So if you try to close Gitmo but fail, that makes you a liar?


Depends, did I say I would?
 
2013-05-05 02:37:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.

Your bias is showing. Being unable to impose your agenda on an unsympathetic Congress does not equate reneging on campaign promises, nor make someone a liar.
This is exactly one of those bullshiat situations where Obama is expected to have dictatorial powers to get things done and is somehow criticized for it even though that's not how government works. How are you blaming Obama instead of the 90 Senators that voted against it?

It's one thing to not even bother trying to follow through on a campaign promise. That happens quite a bit and those guys are liars when they do that.

It's another to try to follow on your campaign promise, only to have it stall and then die in Congress. Obama tried to close down GITMO but Congress stopped him by taking away all the funds for it.

How does that make him a liar?


In Johnny's world, politicians very rarely promise something that doesn't actually come to pass.
 
2013-05-05 02:39:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: So what you're saying is that when something doesn't get done because of someone other than Obama, you blame Obama?

I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.


I promise to walk to your house and give you five bucks.  On the way to your house, I get hit by a car and die.  Am I a "farking liar"?
 
2013-05-05 02:45:07 PM  

Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: I'm curious what you feel about Gitmo outside of the Presidents statements.  Do you want to see it closed as well?


I think it's a big waste of money and that we have prisons here capable of holding some of the detainees without any problems. I also think there are probably some detainees that should just be turned over to whatever country they're from.
 
2013-05-05 02:45:38 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Popcorn Johnny: Lionel Mandrake: So what you're saying is that when something doesn't get done because of someone other than Obama, you blame Obama?

I'm saying that when a person makes a campaign promise and doesn't follow through, he's a farking liar.

I promise to walk to your house and give you five bucks.  On the way to your house, I get hit by a car and die.  Am I a "farking liar"?


YES!!  You should have made sure all the car drivers were on board with your plan before you made that promise!!1!
 
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