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2013-05-05 02:50:06 PM

umad: KrispyKritter: check out their parents. my bible freak family cheapskate Nephew married a home schooled girl. i have nothing but pity for her. her Dad is a fundie, owns a Chik-Fil-A and treats his children like mindless slave bees. i fear Daughter appealed to nephew because Dad put money in the deal. Daughter who was not allowed to attend college by Dad wound up married at 19. Nephew act like a human, let her do the college thing? Hells no, his Mom & Dad & Granpa paid his way through. She's pregnant with their second child. Her parents are at their house all the farking time. What a slice of hell.

With writing skills like those, I don't think I would be talking shiat about home-schoolers if I were you. Jesus Christ, that broke my brain.


Thank God. I though it was just me having a stroke.
 
2013-05-05 02:50:44 PM

orbister: nekom: I teach my daughter all that she needs to know, she's in Kindergarten but reading at least at a 3rd grade level.  She doesn't go to school to learn, she goes to school to make friends, and learn that while in this household she is the princess, in the rest of the world she's just another kid.  It's important to learn those lessons, and make those friends.

Did she have no friends before she went to school? Did she take no part in group activities outside her immediate family before she went to school?


My property taxes pay for the child care institution, I might as well utilize it.
 
2013-05-05 02:50:50 PM
Many people are bringing up the social downsides of homeschooling but not bringing up the social downsides of government schooling. The social pressures of conforming and the damage done to those who refuse or cannot to conform are just as if not more damaging.  It's not like the children in schools are what one would call judgment free and accommodating of people who are different. Those of us who experienced them first hand know this although those who thrived in such an environment I don't expect to even recognize that it happens. 

Furthermore, the institution itself being about creating a more or less uniform product doesn't help matters any. This goes back the industrial mindset of the late 19th and early 20th century. It was a large part of the school system that it spawned. Uniform product, in this case workers, people, was considered beneficial and was something the traditional american schools did not produce. Traditional american schools were more like the happy homeschooling the author of TFA put forth as his own experience. One of independence, being treated as an adult, and resentment of being filed, indexed, numbered, etc...
 
2013-05-05 02:51:44 PM

Xythero: odinsposse: The Civil War was about preserving the Union. However the South undeniably left because they felt their right to own slaves was in danger.

If it was about preserving the Union, the North could have capitulated to the South on the issue of slavery and avoided the war altogether.  They didn't.


Yet somehow the Union was preserved. I don't think you thought your point out very well.
 
2013-05-05 02:52:14 PM

orbister: Qellaqan: But seriously, people who say they get along with adults better than peers *aren't* more socially adjusted. They're less socially adjusted. Maligning your peers doesn't diminish the fact that even if they're so simple, you still can't get along with them.

Have you ever seen parents of toddlers trying to get them to play with each other? It rarely works, and that's because to a toddler, other toddlers aren't nearly as interesting as older people. Similarly, while its useful for a 14 year old to be able to get on with other 14 year olds, it's not nearly as useful as being able to get on with adults, because you spend one year of your life at school with a need to get on with 14 year olds and sixty years of your life needing to get on with adults.


I would say as a child I got along better with adults, since my only sibling was 4.5 years older and very bright. However it's one of those "badge of honor" statements that seem to flag people for bad thinking because they turn their diminished ability to get along with a certain group into a point of pride. They're mature!

It's like those girls who say, "I just don't get along with other girls, guys are so much more chill." Speaking as someone who grew up around more men than women I often socialize better with men too. But god if most of the people who say it aren't maladjusted, or even a bit hostile to the group that "doesn't get them".

\I'm equal opportunity antisocial!
 
2013-05-05 02:52:43 PM

RickN99: HairBolus: In families that home-school usually

1) The mother is unemployed and doesn't have anything better to do.
2) The family is cheap and in cases where the local public schools suck don't see why they should send their children to a private school since Mom is just as good as those fancy teachers.

#1 is often caused by "family values" that say a woman's place is in the home.

Cheapness is often self defeating - they won't move to a school district where the public schools don't suck because the taxes are higher, and heaven forbid that Mom get a job so that they can afford those taxes. Meanwhile houses in good districts are better investments than those where schools suck so home schoolers become trapped in declining communities.

Citations for any of the "facts" that you're asserting?


Here are some government figures on home schooling


Highest education level of parents

High school diploma or less             18,334

Vocational/technical or some college    15,177

Bachelor's degree/some graduate school   9,412

Graduate/professional degree             7,264


Household income

$25,000 or less     16,776

$25,001 to $50,000  15,220

$50,001 to $75,000   8,576

Over $75,000         9,615


Homeschooling is weighted towards the poorer (and cheaper) and less educated.

 
2013-05-05 02:53:41 PM

jst3p: My property taxes pay for the child care institution, I might as well utilize it.


That's a perfectly reasonable point of view. Although I am very keen in home schooling, I recognise that it doesn't suit every child, or every family, and that schools do good stuff too.
 
2013-05-05 02:54:00 PM

leadmetal: Many people are bringing up the social downsides of homeschooling but not bringing up the social downsides of government schooling. The social pressures of conforming and the damage done to those who refuse or cannot to conform are just as if not more damaging.  It's not like the children in schools are what one would call judgment free and accommodating of people who are different. Those of us who experienced them first hand know this although those who thrived in such an environment I don't expect to even recognize that it happens. 

Furthermore, the institution itself being about creating a more or less uniform product doesn't help matters any. This goes back the industrial mindset of the late 19th and early 20th century. It was a large part of the school system that it spawned. Uniform product, in this case workers, people, was considered beneficial and was something the traditional american schools did not produce. Traditional american schools were more like the happy homeschooling the author of TFA put forth as his own experience. One of independence, being treated as an adult, and resentment of being filed, indexed, numbered, etc...


Not enough bites, eh?

\duh, almost every aspect about a lot of socialization is conformation. Is this news?
 
2013-05-05 02:54:27 PM

orclover: This IS a bookmark first of all.  My wife, myself and my mother all homeschool my youngest son (9) and have done so for almost a year now.  The reasons we do so and what led us to such a hard decision would take a 20 page article to explain.  To sum up, fark public school system and the power abusing farks they harbor. Not to mention the psychotic little shiats who run rampant through the halls physically abusing anybody they wish.   Getting him out of that meat grinder probably saved his life or at least his future sanity.

Too farking much to say on the subject.  Would need hours and a few dozen drinks to get it all out.  Just.  fark that god damn public school system and those farking teachers and that god damn principal and those psychotic farking kids.

/fark AISD


Wow. I think the public school system won in this little battle.
 
2013-05-05 02:55:31 PM
I grew up near a family that home-schooled their 3 kids (the eldest a girl and two boys) up through 8th grade, but all three of their children were  really good athletes. One of their sons was my age and played on all of my Little League and other youth league teams. They were very religious too, so there was a bit of a Tebow-lite thing going on with their two boys (good looking, charismatic athletic types who openly loved their Jesus). But, they turned all three of their kids lose into the public school gauntlet for high school and by and large ended up being pretty normal kids. Just a handful of years playing sports with "other" kids leading up to 9th grade provided enough of a framework in learning how to conduct themselves outside of their element (i.e, some basic understanding of pop culture, knowing not  to bring up your religion to other teenagers who aren't interested in hearing about it, etc)

So, even with a very religious household, it certainly is possible to raise and home-school kids in a way that doesn't totally clash with the outside world that at some point, your kids will have to face and assimilate into.
 
2013-05-05 02:56:33 PM

orbister: jst3p: My property taxes pay for the child care institution, I might as well utilize it.

That's a perfectly reasonable point of view. Although I am very keen in home schooling, I recognise that it doesn't suit every child, or every family, and that schools do good stuff too.


Yeah, actually our school is pretty good. My anecdotal experience with home school is generally in line with the stereotypes but I know exceptions exist and I am sure it is the best option for some circumstances.
 
2013-05-05 02:58:46 PM

cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything


That's exactly why school boards suck.
 
2013-05-05 02:59:06 PM

Qellaqan: \\MO had slaves the longest, with MD I think, because the Emancipation Proclamation freed only slaves in the Confederacy, so yes I'm aware of its effects.


Actually, Missouri was the second of the border states to abolish slavery, just after Maryland and just before West Virginia.

This was before Juneteenth, and before most southern blacks knew anything about emancipation.

The last legal slavery was in Kentucky and Delaware, where it ended when the thirteenth amendment was enacted at the end of the year.
 
2013-05-05 02:59:12 PM

Qellaqan: I would say as a child I got along better with adults, since my only sibling was 4.5 years older and very bright. However it's one of those "badge of honor" statements that seem to flag people for bad thinking because they turn their diminished ability to get along with a certain group into a point of pride. They're mature!


OK, I see what you mean. With perhaps the proviso that if you are not in a group as intense and inward looking as school peer groups tend to be, it can be hard to get on with them not because of who you are but because of what the group is like. A homeschooled child might indeed find it a little hard to get on with a group who go to school together ... but so would a child from another school, or a child from another year group within the whole school. Adults tend to be much less prescriptive about the groups they deign to interact with.

There's not much can be done about that; I wouldn't see it as a particular problem, but I wouldn't adduce it as evidence of maturity either.
 
2013-05-05 03:00:23 PM
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2013-05-05 03:02:59 PM

mccallcl: Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.

Not really, no. What he's saying makes sense: home schooled kids spend more time with adults, so they act like adults. I don't have any opinion either way, except that you're probably just being sensitive. Lighten up.


See, that's the problem. They don't act like adults. They act like the veneer that the adults show. As we grow up, we build up layers upon layers of social masking. We learn to hide or project feelings and non-verbal cues over time by doing it and seeing how it works with others. So when a child hangs out only with adults, especially adults who have built up a thick layer of, how should I say it... bullshiat, then the child doesn't learn how to see through the bullshiat and thinks that how people act. Either the child becomes a bullshiatter or is susceptible to being bullshiatted.

Kids need to develop that social being by practicing with each other over the course of time as kids. Kids at first are terrible at bullshiatting and we learn how to be better at doing it and recognizing it over time. If you skip that part and just go to the "adults in the room" part, you will have adults who grow up to be socially inept.
 
2013-05-05 03:06:24 PM

ongbok: FlashHarry: [i39.tinypic.com image 550x400]

Come on, that has to be a photoshop. Please let it be one.


i believe it's real.
 
2013-05-05 03:07:21 PM
How to educate one's kids is a matter of personal choice, and people make different choices in that regard for different reasons. it would be nice if people could respect one another's decisions on the matter, but to read this thread, that's a skill neither public  nor private nor homeschooling teaches.
 
2013-05-05 03:10:10 PM

MustTryHarder: Shadowtag: Due to social issues, I was homeschooled... I think I conquered geometry in a couple of days.

Uh huh


Yup. He conquered a couple day's worth of geometry in a couple of days.
 
2013-05-05 03:15:33 PM

Xythero: odinsposse: The Civil War was about preserving the Union. However the South undeniably left because they felt their right to own slaves was in danger.

If it was about preserving the Union, the North could have capitulated to the South on the issue of slavery and avoided the war altogether.  They didn't.


Capitulate how? The states that seceded weren't being forced to give up slavery (at the time). Most abolitionists thought that slavery was an inferior economic model and would die off on its own so they didn't have to do anything. The federal government was really only saying that slavery should stay in the south until it died its natural death. The Confederates took the mere idea that they would be a minority power as an attack on the institution of slavery and bolted before any move towards federal action on slavery could even be brought up.
 
2013-05-05 03:16:36 PM

EngineerAU: Mellotiger: Indeed, that is why I felt compelled to learn the actual history as pertains to my area instead of just going with my sixth grade history course. I'm not saying the confederacy was a good thing, I do not support slavery, but I also do not support flawed history. If the civil war was solely about ending slavery, the emancipation proclamation would have happened BEFORE the war, because you don't go to war with your own nation for not complying with something that hasn't happened yet. Simple, really.

I don't know what they teach in Mississippi but in Alabama they taught 'States Rights' during elementary school but by jr. high, the lessons changed over to slavery being the cause. As for why the South left before the emancipation proclamation, simple really: 1) they could see the writing on the wall as Lincoln was known to be hostile to the idea of slavery even if he hadn't said he was going to end it and 2) since there weren't going to be any more slave states allowed to join the Union, the South was going to lose it's ability to keep slavery legal. They could see it would be just a matter of time before the rest of the country outlawed the basis of the southern economy. They weren't going to wait for that to happen first.

/Do you also around your friends call it the War of Northern Aggression?


You just had to get in that cheap shot at the end, huh? Classy. My point is, and has always been, that the war was not about slavery. The union did not engage the jerks from down here in order to stop slavery. The war was to preserve the union, pure and simple. The confederate states seceded because, like you said, the writing was on the wall and times were changing. I am not denying that. But the war wasn't to end slavery, slavery wa just the catalyst that caused it.
 
2013-05-05 03:16:59 PM

aevorea: I'm a special ed teaching assistant. I work with special ed kids in the mainstream classroom



Our oldest son has been in "special ed" since grade 3, he's 15 now.  The majority of what I have seen of the Special Education system has been one horrifying nightmare after another punctuated by seasonal meetings that last up to 3 hours with groups of 5 to 15 people (including superintendents, teachers, faculty of all sorts and visiting "specialist" of every sort).  The meetings mostly seem to serve the purpose of having all the senior members pat each other on the back and our sons name occasionally thrown into the conversation, usually by me or his mother.  His classroom in Jr. High was an abomination.  A storage room for teenagers in the furthest portable building on the campus.  It smelled of freshly cleaned urine and feces on every visit, there was visible damage on virtually everything.  The "students" spent their time playing on game systems they brought or watching cartoons on tv, there wasn't even a shadow of an attempt to educate them.  We would receive the usual report cards from the school:  Aced english, math, history, farking everything A to A+, they all did.  He never took a test. He could barely read or write, knew nothing of history but what we had taught him.  At one of the larger meetings I finally lost my shiat and raised hell about it.  They apologized and said they would look into it.  His next grades were all solidly 70 across the board on the next report card, and he still had not taken a single test.

Lady, if given the ability I would burn the whole damn education system to the farking ground.  No offense to you.  But what we have here is an atrocity, If I believed in hell I would hope they all burn.  But there is no hope, no change, no stopping it and our children serve no purpose other than to be chewed up by the machine and then shiat out into society.  I wish there was an affordable alternative to this other than refusing to play.
 
2013-05-05 03:19:41 PM

Xythero: odinsposse: The Civil War was about preserving the Union. However the South undeniably left because they felt their right to own slaves was in danger.

If it was about preserving the Union, the North could have capitulated to the South on the issue of slavery and avoided the war altogether.  They didn't.


Just because they could have doesn't mean they would have. They wanted to preserve the union and keep their power, not kowtow to a bunch of slave holding rebels.
 
2013-05-05 03:26:25 PM

simplicimus: G&T


Your daughter is a gin & tonic?
You must be proud.
 
2013-05-05 03:27:04 PM

John Dewey: What's with all the homeschooler and homeschooling parents on here?  Isn't it Sunday?  Shouldn't they all be in church or taking the sabbath or something?


they took the Sabbath out for doughnuts but he started throwing a temper tantrum so they had to go home without buying any. =/
 
2013-05-05 03:29:06 PM
Homeschool kids being 2-3 grades ahead on reading writing and 'rithmatic isn't at all surprising. It's a statement of priorities.

Imagine that you and your spouse go to work every day.

Now imagine that you only get 1/2 the money - that a whole salary goes to 'public schooling' - and that the pupil:teacher ratio is about 3:1 or 4:1, with unlimited personalization and unlimited hours.

Let's assume that each breadwinner is making 2/3 the mean income in your hometown. At a 3:1 student teacher ratio, that would mean that the teacher would make double the mean income of the population to physically be there for the same amount of time, and only have 24 assignments (3 students, 8 subjects) per day to review and on which to provide feedback, instead of 240 assignments (30 students, 8 periods) to review.

So, to recap - Much less work, much more money (2-3 times more), much more investment on individuals. Almost no standardization pressure, and an ability to tightly integrate moral and spiritual philosophy into class discussions.

Yes, Homes school, the way the author describes it, is the product of us wanting to cheap out on public education. The answer : More Money - a lot more.

So in Chicago ( median household income $47,000) our formula would make the salary $94,000
for about 134,000 positions, or an outlay of over six billion ($6,298,000,000) dollars a year - not including pensions, buildings, janitors, administrators, substitutes, gym teachers, groundskeepers, board of education secretaries, or property taxes. This is just teaching salaries.

The final 2012 CPS budget only allocates $2,082,000,000 for salaries alone.

So that's the difference. You're paying three times as much for a teacher you spend years interviewing, who has no pension or health care, and a very very small class size.
 
2013-05-05 03:30:48 PM

JohnnyFootball: We are thinking of homeschooling our two children. One is starting middle school and the other is finishing elementary. Our oldest had to serve detention for the first time this year, he was reading a book from home in class. He had to serve detention for not following directions (he was told to sit quietly, not read. Our youngest brought home ten worksheets that were completely filled in, he told us they were "shut-up sheets" he worked on when he finished sections of the standardized tests before time expired. They get bored with the pace of learning, it's only a matter of time before the lack of effort school requires transfers to the rest if their lives.


This paragraph sounds familiar. It wasn't that bad in my grade school days, but bad enough. Never a detention or anything like that as I ended up developing a fear of authority at a young age. Not respect. Fear. My 'book from home' could have as easily been an adult text on some academic subject as an age appropriate one. Also ones beyond what any teacher could comprehend such as 'player missile graphics for the atari 8 bit computes'.  Yeah I had this thing about making my own video games that never quite worked out. If I knew what I knew now I would have kept those books at home.

Corporate work isn't much different from school. It requires little effort but going above and beyond, thinking out of the box, and so forth are usually punished unless one has political protection. Pretty much like the school experience.
 
2013-05-05 03:31:35 PM
I don't think those kids were just being homeschooled, I think they were in a cult...
 
2013-05-05 03:32:01 PM

Badgers: Must be a xenu thing


Scientology do not believe in school since children are merely adult spirits inhabiting small bodies.
 
2013-05-05 03:33:09 PM

Qellaqan: Not enough bites, eh?
\duh, almost every aspect about a lot of socialization is conformation. Is this news?


Disagreement with the commonly accepted trauma based method of conditioning people and making them conform does make it trolling. You can ignore the fact that it damages many children all you wish but it doesn't change that it does.
 
2013-05-05 03:35:02 PM
Trying to RTFA, but it keeps refreshing me to the top of the page.  Anyone else having this issue?
 
2013-05-05 03:38:59 PM
I think the author of the article is just an arrogant prick. Cherokee County is a metro Atlanta suburb and has a lot of big fancy homes just like you rich Yankees have up north. This was nothing more than the author arrogantly telling us that he was not only better than the public school kids he went to school with, but he was also better than those weirdo home school kids he knew. Prick.
 
2013-05-05 03:40:09 PM

leadmetal: Qellaqan: Not enough bites, eh?
\duh, almost every aspect about a lot of socialization is conformation. Is this news?

Disagreement with the commonly accepted trauma based method of conditioning people and making them conform does make it trolling. You can ignore the fact that it damages many children all you wish but it doesn't change that it does.


You come off as paranoid and tin foil hattish. Use statistics ( or even just personal stories) rather than your anger and fear and you will engender richer responses. Otherwise, what should people respond to?
 
2013-05-05 03:41:41 PM

JK8Fan: I think the author of the article is just an arrogant prick. Cherokee County is a metro Atlanta suburb and has a lot of big fancy homes just like you rich Yankees have up north. This was nothing more than the author arrogantly telling us that he was not only better than the public school kids he went to school with, but he was also better than those weirdo home school kids he knew. Prick.


To play devil's advocate, some of us are.
 
2013-05-05 03:43:34 PM

fnordfocus: Qellaqan: \\MO had slaves the longest, with MD I think, because the Emancipation Proclamation freed only slaves in the Confederacy, so yes I'm aware of its effects.

Actually, Missouri was the second of the border states to abolish slavery, just after Maryland and just before West Virginia.

This was before Juneteenth, and before most southern blacks knew anything about emancipation.

The last legal slavery was in Kentucky and Delaware, where it ended when the thirteenth amendment was enacted at the end of the year.


I think Missouri's history is more complex. There was a northern sympathizing gov, but I believe he was replaced at some point. Many hangovers of the war exist still in mo which I think is odd for such a western state.

/the stl chief of police was appointed by the gov til 2010ish due to the civil war.
 
2013-05-05 03:43:36 PM

Ennuipoet: The scariest thing I can think of is this guy is probably not exaggerating about the kids he met.


Given my experiences with them both from undergrad and as an educator... he's toning it down significantly.

Basically, it's a damned good thing that humans are still capable of un-learning things and retraining themselves as adults, or every home-schooled kid in existence would have grown up to be a serial killer.  The ones that grow up to be normal are very clearly doing it in spite of their early education.

//I would ask the purpose of TFA though.  Pretty much everyone who's looked into it should know that the quality of education and the socialization of the victims are both inferior to even public schooling, I don't think one random guy being kind of a prick about it in a magazine article is going to convince them if they already don't care about that.
 
2013-05-05 03:43:45 PM

Mellotiger: Xythero: odinsposse: The Civil War was about preserving the Union. However the South undeniably left because they felt their right to own slaves was in danger.

If it was about preserving the Union, the North could have capitulated to the South on the issue of slavery and avoided the war altogether.  They didn't.

Just because they could have doesn't mean they would have. They wanted to preserve the union and keep their power, not kowtow to a bunch of slave holding rebels.


Lincoln made it clear that if preserving slavery kept the union together that was fine by him. However other issues leading to separation were not as negotiable. Including that of federal power. Where the federal government was not created by the states for the benefit of the states but a power over the states.

Slavery in the form practiced in the southern states at the time was becoming economically non-viable, increasingly socially non-viable, and probably would not have lasted much past 1865 anyway. It didn't in the rest of world. The modern form of slavery through political and corporate structures where people think they are free (still in practice today) was simply much more profitable and efficient than the antiquated system practiced in the southern states in 1860.
 
2013-05-05 03:51:01 PM

Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.


It's a common defense when people start making judgements about you without actually knowing you. The whole "You're home schooled, you must be socially awkward and a religious nut job. You have my pity for being raised in such a shiatty situation, hopefully you will adjust to real life soon."

 Seriously, how many people are going to react positively to *that* assertion?

 Protip: If you want to interact with people in a positive manner, don't insult them when you first start speaking to them.

/public schooled.
 
2013-05-05 03:51:54 PM

loki see loki do: simplicimus: G&T

Your daughter is a gin & tonic?
You must be proud.


Gifted and Talented and Lazy. Oddly, she's the only non-drinker in 4 generations.
 
2013-05-05 03:55:35 PM

Qellaqan: leadmetal: Qellaqan: Not enough bites, eh?
\duh, almost every aspect about a lot of socialization is conformation. Is this news?

Disagreement with the commonly accepted trauma based method of conditioning people and making them conform does make it trolling. You can ignore the fact that it damages many children all you wish but it doesn't change that it does.

You come off as paranoid and tin foil hattish. Use statistics ( or even just personal stories) rather than your anger and fear and you will engender richer responses. Otherwise, what should people respond to?


Trolling plus a lesson in trolling? You're going to have to come up with something more creative than 'tin foil hat and paranoid' if you want to get me on the hook. Also, Who says I want replies? I don't care if anyone replies. Anyway, I've used both statistics and personal experiences before in threads like this. If I really wanted to piss people off and get them to write flaming replies, I learned the hard way that's the way to do it. I'm not in the mood for that today, thus I've largely avoided both intentionally.

However, if you want to read how the modern form of schooling in the USA damages children, I recommend reading what John Taylor Gatto has written on the subject. You'll find all the supporting cites you should ever want there. If that's not enough there are other authors who have addressed where modern government schooling comes from and what it is designed to do that you could read for yet more.
 
2013-05-05 03:56:36 PM
In related news, pit bulls aren't bad dogs, they just have bad owners.
 
2013-05-05 03:59:19 PM
A friend worked in admissions at a fairly well respected university, and she said a surprising number of the homeschooled have something like a nervous breakdown or total academic implosion after the first or second semesters. Some students do- that's just the way of the world... some people have trouble adjusting. However, an inordinate number of the homeschooled seem to end up that way, to the point where it's almost stereotypical.

She since moved on to the fundraising department but before she left there were discussions as to whether or not they should be admitted in the first place given a large percentage of them flame out or just can't cope psychologically.
 
2013-05-05 04:00:08 PM

LesserEvil: Mad Scientist: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

Beat me to it.

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Has anybody got a link to the original story behind this meme? It's been driving me nuts for years. The earliest reference I can find on Fark is December 2007.


There was a farker who was homeschooled and to prove how normal and well-adjusted he turned out in an in-thread flamewar, he posted a picture of his wife.  That is the picture he posted.

That turned out to be a huge mistake for him.  From what i remember, the word 'Oats' was used frequently in that thread after the wife pic was posted.
 
2013-05-05 04:04:55 PM

Banned on the Run: In related news, pit bulls aren't bad dogs, they just have bad owners.


If you dont circumcise your pit bull then you have failed as an owner and he will never be accepted by his fellow dogs at training school
 
2013-05-05 04:05:07 PM
 
2013-05-05 04:06:40 PM

cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything


Why is that people who never learned, or choose not to use, some semblance of proper grammar post questions about the teaching abilities of others?  Seriously, parsing your post took more effort than I really wanted to exert.
 
2013-05-05 04:06:58 PM

Banned on the Run: In related news, pit bulls aren't bad dogs, they just have bad owners.


Dog Breeds generally follow the behavior they were bred for. Shepherds tend to group animals together. My Spaniels tend to alert me to the location of birds. Rat dogs tend to dig holes looking for rodents. Greyhounds chase things,etc.
What were Pit Bulls bred to do?
/Honest question.
 
2013-05-05 04:07:30 PM

dugitman: dumbobruni: cousin & her husband are anti-vax... assuming the kid survives their trip to India next year, of course.

No kidding. Yikes.


it really is quite something to behold. we can't dare question them, but the husband is very vocal in his criticism of others.

ugh, all around.

/he's a "hardcore libertarian"
//you don't say!
 
2013-05-05 04:07:57 PM

cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything


What the hell did I just try to read?
 
2013-05-05 04:09:56 PM

orbister: FunkOut: This just in : some homeschooled kids are clever children with clever parents teachers teaching them better than in the public system, many others are poorly socialised and receive a warped limited education that has little connection to reality.


I guess what you just correct totally disproved what I said...wait, no it didn't.

I've known homeschooled kids. Their behaviour was like that of a foreign culture or alien planet, entirely dictated by the peculiarities of their own family. The ones I knew had no sense of personal space or boundaries.
 
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