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2013-05-05 12:11:44 PM

orclover: This IS a bookmark first of all.  My wife, myself and my mother all homeschool my youngest son (9) and have done so for almost a year now.  The reasons we do so and what led us to such a hard decision would take a 20 page article to explain.  To sum up, fark public school system and the power abusing farks they harbor. Not to mention the psychotic little shiats who run rampant through the halls physically abusing anybody they wish.   Getting him out of that meat grinder probably saved his life or at least his future sanity.

Too farking much to say on the subject.  Would need hours and a few dozen drinks to get it all out.  Just.  fark that god damn public school system and those farking teachers and that god damn principal and those psychotic farking kids.

/fark AISD


Why dont you tell us how you really feel?
 
2013-05-05 12:11:56 PM

j0ndas: That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.


Wait ... are you arguing that getting along with age-group peers is an unfavorable condition?  My experience is that many adults are as shallow and conniving as high schoolers -- the primary difference is that they hide it better.
 
2013-05-05 12:11:58 PM

cardex: Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything


Incompetent people usually do vastly overestimate their own abilities because they quite literally do not know any better.
 
2013-05-05 12:12:46 PM

John Dewey: What's with all the homeschooler and homeschooling parents on here?  Isn't it Sunday?  Shouldn't they all be in church or taking the sabbath or something?


Nah, I'm busy trolling the Jesus freaks with athiest posts on Facebook.  They'll see them in a couple of hours when they get home.
 
2013-05-05 12:13:42 PM

DarthBart: John Dewey: What's with all the homeschooler and homeschooling parents on here?  Isn't it Sunday?  Shouldn't they all be in church or taking the sabbath or something?

Nah, I'm busy trolling the Jesus freaks with athiest posts on Facebook.  They'll see them in a couple of hours when they get home.


I approve this message.
 
2013-05-05 12:13:46 PM
Spending every waking minute with my Mom for eighteen years straight. I would sooner have been euthanized.
 
2013-05-05 12:13:49 PM

Gordon Bennett: cardex: Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything

Incompetent people usually do vastly overestimate their own abilities because they quite literally do not know any better.


There's actually a name for this: the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
2013-05-05 12:14:12 PM

cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything



Huh?
 
2013-05-05 12:16:16 PM

Mad Scientist: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

Beat me to it.


i169.photobucket.com

Has anybody got a link to the original story behind this meme? It's been driving me nuts for years. The earliest reference I can find on Fark is December 2007.
 
2013-05-05 12:16:34 PM
Some famous homeschoolers:

Whoopi Goldberg
Hanson
Jennifer Love Hewitt
Moffatts (Canadian Hanson, apparently)
Frankie Muniz
LeAnne Rimes
Jonas Brothers

...and some current ones who homeschool their kids:

Will Smith
John Travolta/Kelly Preston

/Must be a xenu thing
 
2013-05-05 12:17:19 PM
I was that weird homeschooled kid- Fundie parents, socially isolated in Alaska, socially inept.  My mom pulled my brother out because he had a learning disability and so she yanked me out at the same time. Went for 6th, 7th, and 8th grades- you know those building block years. Sure I learned more, but she didn't teach me and rarely did anything to encourage me. First year out she tried to socialize me but then she got tired of setting those things up and just left me at home for most of the time. Except for church, lots of church.

Took me quite a while to rebuild a foundation for a personality, still not quite right.
 
2013-05-05 12:19:43 PM

KilaKitu: We've homeschooled our two teens now for around six years for several reasons, none of which are religious.  You likely do have a larger percentage of "interesting" - sometimes odd - kids and families in homeschooling circles because you do have families who think outside the box and don't automatically send their kids to automatron hell...er, school.

We've found homeschooled kids to be surprisingly mature, able to carry on conversations with adults or younger kids, not just their age mates, and I've had some fabulous philosophical discussions with some young teens.  The religious nutjobs get the press because they're weird 'human interest' stories, but be assured, there is a large, and growing, population of homeschoolers who choose this path because we believe it's the best option for our young family members to be productive, creative, happy, and balanced members of our society.


It's sad, really, seeing public school children pigeonhole themselves (most likely at the direction of their parents) into certain age ranges.  My homeschooled 10 year old met another girl a year or so older than her in a store a while back.  The girl asked my daughter what grade she was in.  When my daughter said "4th", the girl said "Oh, you're not in my grade.  I can't talk to you."
 
2013-05-05 12:21:17 PM

Sofa King Smart: odinsposse: Now look at me. I'm posting on Fark and doing a pretty good job of getting over my hangover.

/and other stuff
//but nobody believes internet bragging

the precedent has been set... if you want to prove how 'normal' you are after having been homeschooled... we're going to need to see at least one pic of your smiling, 'hot wife'.


Well, if you insist

th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-05-05 12:21:19 PM

Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.




Not really, no. What he's saying makes sense: home schooled kids spend more time with adults, so they act like adults. I don't have any opinion either way, except that you're probably just being sensitive. Lighten up.
 
2013-05-05 12:25:04 PM

KilaKitu: ...don't automatically send their kids to automatron hell...er, school.


I read this argument a lot, and it has some merit, I guess. True, school does teach a certain set of rules and insist that you follow them, but I think for a lot of us, that's not necessarily a bad thing. The world I entered after school had rules to follow, too, and deviating from them rarely, if ever, brought good results.

Yeah, some people, artists for example, can make it doing everything the way they want, but I feel some of the discipline I learned in school, the fact that whatever's it's all about it, it isn't about me, served me pretty well in life. No one I've ever met likes to be told what to do (as is shown in TFA), but I can't say it isn't an important part of growing up.
 
2013-05-05 12:26:16 PM

JonZoidberg: Mock26: skinink: [i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]

OK, I have to ask, what is the origin of that meme?

Some asshat posted that pic in a Fark thread, said it was his girlfriend.  Other asshats picked him apart.  It was epic or something.


About a year ago, I was driving down the freeway when I looked up at a billboard to see that pic! (the girl half anyway.)  It was an ad for a local dentist and I broke out into fits of laughter, my kiddo was in the car and couldn't figure out what the hell was going on (why is dad being such a wierdo).  I tried to explain to him it was something from the internet, so he cut me a break.

BTW, wasn't that the "girlfriend" claimed by our own holder of a GED in Law?  Or, am I mistaking him for another poster?
 
2013-05-05 12:27:33 PM
As somebody who is about to get married to a former homeschooled kid, you are all the weird, socially inept ones.
 
2013-05-05 12:29:49 PM
I went through the first 70 or so posts, then realized no one's done this post yet.

i.imgur.com

FWIW: I knew like 5 home schooled kids, all were kinda weird, but at least they weren't brainwashed fundies/scientologists.
 
2013-05-05 12:30:46 PM
My mother yanked my half-brother out of Cleveland Public Schools... gosh, maybe 7th grade? He was born tongue-tied and had to have it surgically corrected, resulting in him having to learn how to speak all over again, when he was about 6. Before that we usually had to translate for him because it was really hard to understand him. Afterward he spoke with a lisp that never really went away. He is 21 now. Now, my mother went the Internet Schooling Route, and given how much he was able to get away with murder, I doubt that he ever really learned anything. So, to recap:

1) he is fat
2) his hygiene sucks
3) his only friends are on Xbox Live
4) rumor is that there is some girl coming around the house now, but I have never met her
5) doesn't have a license
6) doesn't have a job
7) hasn't left the house in at least two years, if not longer

I moved out when he was 7 or 8, so I never got to watch that decline. Thank god... I may have gone postal on my mother for just getting lazy.
 
2013-05-05 12:33:00 PM
FTA: <b> The greatest risk of homeschooling, I reckon, is that your kid won't be able to properly socialize.  </b>

I think I've shared this tidbit before in one of the many other homeschooling threads, but it is too facepalming to not repeat:

Last year, we were at our Valentine's day party for the homeschool group we belong to. The party was in the middle of the afternoon on Valentine's day (Monday). There were 30+ families there (there's 80-something families on the membership roll). Out in the field, there were many children, ages ranging from 4 to 17, all playing together and having a great time. A guy came up to the parents and asked "What are you all doing? Kids not in school today?". He was told about the party and homeschooling and, I kid you not, the first question out of his mouth was "Homeschooling? What about socialization?".
 
2013-05-05 12:33:48 PM

Anastacya:  So, to recap:

1) he is fat
2) his hygiene sucks
3) his only friends are on Xbox Live
4) rumor is that there is some girl coming around the house now, but I have never met her
5) doesn't have a license
6) doesn't have a job
7) hasn't left the house in at least two years, if not longer



...And his Fark name is...???
 
2013-05-05 12:37:14 PM

j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.


No, I mean weird as in 'not exactly like me and my friends.' I will not tolerate your diversity.
 
2013-05-05 12:38:36 PM

orclover: This IS a bookmark first of all.  My wife, myself and my mother all homeschool my youngest son (9) and have done so for almost a year now.  The reasons we do so and what led us to such a hard decision would take a 20 page article to explain.  To sum up, fark public school system and the power abusing farks they harbor. Not to mention the psychotic little shiats who run rampant through the halls physically abusing anybody they wish.   Getting him out of that meat grinder probably saved his life or at least his future sanity.

Too farking much to say on the subject.  Would need hours and a few dozen drinks to get it all out.  Just.  fark that god damn public school system and those farking teachers and that god damn principal and those psychotic farking kids.

/fark AISD

Depends entirely on the school system. I grew up in Monroe County NY, which has both some of the highest property taxes in the nation but also some really great school districts. They also hired a no-nonsense principle at the high school right when I got there who dealt with fights by calling the police and having charges filed, which was a huge deterrent. I saw one fight the entire time I was there (three years - freshmen had a separate building), and it was during midterms when no teachers were around.

Anyway that district was so good that my sister said it was leagues better than the private university she taught at in NW Ohio. That should tell you something, both about the district and probably NW Ohio...
 
2013-05-05 12:39:13 PM
Yes they're weird.

They're educated.

/pubic scroolers no habla
 
2013-05-05 12:40:13 PM
This just in : some homeschooled kids are clever children with clever parents teaching them better than the public system, many others are poorly socialised and receive a warped limited education that has little connection to reality.
 
2013-05-05 12:40:31 PM
I think anyone who has heard a Katy Perry song can agree that "the rhythm of pop music resonated with human cells at a frequency that caused cancer."
 
2013-05-05 12:41:25 PM
When I was growing up, I knew a pair of kids that were being homeschooled. They were reasonably educated in everything except science. I'm not just talking about a general ignorance, but an angry - almost violent - response to any statement about how anything worked. One example that sticks out was when I tried to explain X-Men to them. That ended with me screaming that it was just fiction and the boy screaming that he hated fiction. The next day I dropped by to apologize. They wouldn't talk to me. Instead, their father explained to me that he had taught them that there's no difference between fiction and lying. He shut the door in my face when I pointed out that he was lying to them.
 
2013-05-05 12:41:54 PM
One day, our moms arranged for him to come over to our house for a day. He acted like a kid who had never had a friend, but had maybe seen how friends interacted on TV. "Let's go in the woods and kill shiat," he said. I told him we shouldn't kill anything, and several times I had to talk him out of throwing rocks at birds.

I don't see what's so unusual about that.

When I was a kid in the early 90s, the big fad going around our evangelical church was home-schooling. For those unaware, Satan infiltrated the public school system somewhere around 89 and began indoctrinating innocent children with liberal evolutionary rock & roll sex. But I digress...if you really loved your kids and Jesus, you'd pull them from public school and keep them at home where they can be kept pure and safe from Satan's big bang theory.

Thankfully my mom was a little more sane, but of the kids who did get raised in The Village...two brothers who were two of the most socially inept people I've ever met. They literally couldn't talk to people (and I literally mean literally). If you asked them a question they would look at the ground and grunt a "yes" or a "no", or maybe just shrug. Last I heard both were in their late 20s, still living at home, and had never so much as been on a date (but presumably still pure as the driven snow). Another girl comes to mind who is now in her early 30s and in  similar situation. Her dad believed anyone wanting to date his daughter should observe Christian-based "courtship" wherein potential suitors came and "courted" her at their house with them chaperoning. She currently still lives with them.

I do think it's worth pointing out that there was at least one girl I knew who was home-schooled who turned out normally, but her parents (while Christian) weren't the rabid fundie type. She was allowed to live a fairly normal life, minus public school. So I think the key here is the fundamentalist religion...the home-schooling just exasperates it, further isolating the child.
 
2013-05-05 12:44:46 PM

JWideman: They wouldn't talk to me. Instead, their father explained to me that he had taught them that there's no difference between fiction and lying.


Father was an engineer, I assume.
 
2013-05-05 12:46:33 PM

cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything


I'm certain that happened.
 
2013-05-05 12:47:08 PM

FunkOut: This just in : some homeschooled kids are clever children with clever parents teaching them better than the public system, many others are poorly socialised and receive a warped limited education that has little connection to reality.


So...time to feast on my neighbor's brain-goo?
 
2013-05-05 12:47:52 PM

Gordon Bennett: cardex: Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything

Incompetent people usually do vastly overestimate their own abilities because they quite literally do not know any better.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
 
2013-05-05 12:48:33 PM

Shadowtag: Due to social issues, I was homeschooled... I think I conquered geometry in a couple of days.


Uh huh
 
2013-05-05 12:51:02 PM
Wait until homeschooling parents go after public school funds. Already did it with charter schools.
 
2013-05-05 12:51:12 PM
In my experience, a lot of them are home schooled BECAUSE they are weird.
 
2013-05-05 12:51:18 PM

ThighsofGlory: cardex: In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything

I'm certain that happened.



I wouldn't be surprised as my brother eventually did and I've tried. Social isolation can have long term effects that don't cycle back for years.
 
2013-05-05 12:51:53 PM

MustTryHarder: Shadowtag: Due to social issues, I was homeschooled... I think I conquered geometry in a couple of days.

Uh huh


He'd post more but I bet he has to be at the library in 26 minutes.
 
2013-05-05 12:58:44 PM
What I find amusing is the assumption that government school does not push it's own agenda of conditioning the children to believe certain myths. That the methods of schooling weren't developed around the needs of government and corporations. That the schools serve to preserve the status-quo power structure. That government schools are often used to experiment with social engineering. How those who want to create some sort of utopian society want children at earlier and earlier ages so they can put their values into the children instead of those of the parents.

It's this default that government and those in it have no agenda or beliefs what so ever that I find incredibly naive. As an adult I found that a considerable amount of what I taught in government schools was myth. I was scolded in class because I stated that gender was identifiable with a skull. In proper feminist dogma of the time I was told that only the proportions of the hip bone could indicate gender.  Being in Illinois the cult of Lincoln made sure we were never taught of his war crimes or violations of the bill of rights. Being in democrat controlled cook county when history classes rarely got to the 20th century we were told the myths of FDR which too ignored his evils.  I could go on and my government school conditioning was probably rather mild compared to what a lot of other children get.

To understand these things I learned where this system of modern government schools came from. About its Prussian origins and who implemented here in the US of A. It's quite interesting how people with economic and political power worked to shape the system of schooling for their own benefit. It is not unlike what those with over-powering religious beliefs do to their own children, but of course these people didn't stop at their own children. They wanted to do their shaping to everyone's children but of course their own. Their own children who would be raised to be the leaders.
 
2013-05-05 12:59:32 PM

mrlewish: Wait until homeschooling parents go after public school funds. Already did it with charter schools.


Charter schools are about big businesses wanting to get themselves a cut of public education funding like they did with prison funding. Home schoolers don't have the same kind of clout.
 
2013-05-05 01:04:13 PM

leadmetal: What I find amusing is the assumption that government school does not push it's own agenda of conditioning the children to believe certain myths. That the methods of schooling weren't developed around the needs of government and corporations. That the schools serve to preserve the status-quo power structure. That government schools are often used to experiment with social engineering. How those who want to create some sort of utopian society want children at earlier and earlier ages so they can put their values into the children instead of those of the parents.

It's this default that government and those in it have no agenda or beliefs what so ever that I find incredibly naive. As an adult I found that a considerable amount of what I taught in government schools was myth. I was scolded in class because I stated that gender was identifiable with a skull. In proper feminist dogma of the time I was told that only the proportions of the hip bone could indicate gender.  Being in Illinois the cult of Lincoln made sure we were never taught of his war crimes or violations of the bill of rights. Being in democrat controlled cook county when history classes rarely got to the 20th century we were told the myths of FDR which too ignored his evils.  I could go on and my government school conditioning was probably rather mild compared to what a lot of other children get.

To understand these things I learned where this system of modern government schools came from. About its Prussian origins and who implemented here in the US of A. It's quite interesting how people with economic and political power worked to shape the system of schooling for their own benefit. It is not unlike what those with over-powering religious beliefs do to their own children, but of course these people didn't stop at their own children. They wanted to do their shaping to everyone's children but of course their own. Their own children who would be raised to be the leaders.


What I find amusing is that homeschoolers assume the only options are homeschool and "government school".
 
2013-05-05 01:04:28 PM

j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.


You just smugged up the whole thread. Get over yourself.
 
2013-05-05 01:05:22 PM

odinsposse: mrlewish: Wait until homeschooling parents go after public school funds. Already did it with charter schools.

Charter schools are about big businesses wanting to get themselves a cut of public education funding like they did with prison funding. Home schoolers don't have the same kind of clout.


Just wait until some corporation decides to start a subsidiary company that makes and sells homeschooling packages.
 
2013-05-05 01:06:01 PM

FunkOut: This just in : some a few home-schooled kids are clever children with clever parents teaching them better than the public system, many most others are poorly socialized and receive a warped limited education that has little connection to reality.


FTFY
 
2013-05-05 01:07:11 PM

MustTryHarder: Shadowtag: Due to social issues, I was homeschooled... I think I conquered geometry in a couple of days.

Uh huh


There may not be a royal road to geometry, but there appears to be a homeschooled one, eh?
 
2013-05-05 01:07:55 PM

ongbok: Just wait until some corporation decides to start a subsidiary company that makes and sells homeschooling packages.


There are a ton of Christian homeschooling companies that do this already.
 
2013-05-05 01:12:01 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ongbok: Just wait until some corporation decides to start a subsidiary company that makes and sells homeschooling packages.

There are a ton of Christian homeschooling companies that do this already.


I'm talking about a mega corporation. Like the type that have the money to buy politicians. I'm talking about something like they did with for profit colleges.
 
2013-05-05 01:18:57 PM

Dragonflew: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

You just smugged up the whole thread. Get over yourself.


Counter point: My daughter is a G&T, so public school was more of a socialization experience. As far as education, I spent an hour or so every evening with her correcting what she had learned in school.
/Texas
 
2013-05-05 01:24:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: What I find amusing is that homeschoolers assume the only options are homeschool and "government school".


What is even more amusing is how you are apparently assuming that I am a 'homeschooler' when in my comment I mentioned that those with power have their children educated differently. You won't be seeing those kids in the government schools nor will they be homeschooled. I am just an observer with regard to how people 'school' their children.

Also, calling a school system that is run by government 'public' is about as silly as calling a military base 'public' land or a city,state,county, or federal building a 'public' building.
 
2013-05-05 01:26:42 PM

mccallcl: Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.

Not really, no. What he's saying makes sense: home schooled kids spend more time with adults, so they act like adults. I don't have any opinion either way, except that you're probably just being sensitive. Lighten up.


Lighten up?!?!?!?

But seriously, people who say they get along with adults better than peers *aren't* more socially adjusted. They're less socially adjusted. Maligning your peers doesn't diminish the fact that even if they're so simple, you still can't get along with them. I just utterly disagree with the whole "children who spend more time with adults are more mature" truism (calling all only children!). Children who spend more time with adults might learn to mimic adult social mores to a greater extent, but that isn't maturity. Socialization is really about getting along with everyone, or at least faking it.
 
2013-05-05 01:29:02 PM

leadmetal: What I find amusing is the assumption that government school does not push it's own agenda of conditioning the children to believe certain myths. That the methods of schooling weren't developed around the needs of government and corporations. That the schools serve to preserve the status-quo power structure. That government schools are often used to experiment with social engineering. How those who want to create some sort of utopian society want children at earlier and earlier ages so they can put their values into the children instead of those of the parents.

It's this default that government and those in it have no agenda or beliefs what so ever that I find incredibly naive. As an adult I found that a considerable amount of what I taught in government schools was myth. I was scolded in class because I stated that gender was identifiable with a skull. In proper feminist dogma of the time I was told that only the proportions of the hip bone could indicate gender.  Being in Illinois the cult of Lincoln made sure we were never taught of his war crimes or violations of the bill of rights. Being in democrat controlled cook county when history classes rarely got to the 20th century we were told the myths of FDR which too ignored his evils.  I could go on and my government school conditioning was probably rather mild compared to what a lot of other children get.

To understand these things I learned where this system of modern government schools came from. About its Prussian origins and who implemented here in the US of A. It's quite interesting how people with economic and political power worked to shape the system of schooling for their own benefit. It is not unlike what those with over-powering religious beliefs do to their own children, but of course these people didn't stop at their own children. They wanted to do their shaping to everyone's children but of course their own. Their own children who would be raised to be the leaders.


Regarding the post up-thread...
This is what clever trolling actually looks like.
 
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