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2013-05-05 11:28:14 AM

Mock26: skinink: [i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]

OK, I have to ask, what is the origin of that meme?


Some dude once defended himself in a homeschooling thread by basically saying, "Hey, I was homeschooled and I turned out so well I landed this awesome chick!" Something like that at any rate.

She is pretty and looks like a nice person, but dude, that does NOT mean you turned out OK.

/also Firefox does not recognize the word "homeschooled"
 
2013-05-05 11:28:16 AM

jso2897: BTW - if you are going to GIS "Rainbow Brite Girl", you might want to turn on the adult content filter.


Hahaha she's in the 4th row of results.
 
2013-05-05 11:29:10 AM

j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.


People who adaance complicated arguments to the effect that they are "better educated" than other people invariably turn out not to be - like all bluster, it is a mask for insecurity caused by suspicion of ones deficits.
 
2013-05-05 11:29:58 AM

Popcorn Johnny: jso2897: BTW - if you are going to GIS "Rainbow Brite Girl", you might want to turn on the adult content filter.

Hahaha she's in the 4th row of results.


I never got that far.
 
2013-05-05 11:30:54 AM

ravenlore: Mock26: skinink: [i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]

OK, I have to ask, what is the origin of that meme?

Some dude once defended himself in a homeschooling thread by basically saying, "Hey, I was homeschooled and I turned out so well I landed this awesome chick!" Something like that at any rate.

She is pretty and looks like a nice person, but dude, that does NOT mean you turned out OK.

/also Firefox does not recognize the word "homeschooled"


He didn't turn out well enough to know that you don't post a picture of your wife in a Fark thread.
 
2013-05-05 11:30:56 AM
Finishing up our 5th year of homeschooling, so getting a kick out of this thread ;)

/so many anecdotes!
 
2013-05-05 11:31:11 AM
This is why the US should have a no-homeschooling law like Germany.
 
2013-05-05 11:31:12 AM
All the home-schooled kids I ever knew, including three cousins, were "weird". They weren't necessarily socially inept, but they all had warped views on the world and lacked a big picture view of it which made some conversations particularly odd.

But, then, all the home-schooled kids I ever knew were from families of weirdos to begin with and the weirdness of the family extended just as much to kids who went to school anyway.

One particularly bizarre kid stands out for me. His family was a bunch of evangelical nutjobs and he bought into it part and parcel. In a speech class we had we were supposed to give a persuasive speech. His topic was the existence of god and his arguments in favor for god's existence were:

1. Bananas (basically, the Ray Comfort schtick)
2. Language is getting less complicated because Shakespeare is hard to read. No, he never got the irony about pointing at a guy widely known for neologisms as an example of somebody who lived in a time of "complex language". Nor did he explain what this had to do with god.
3. Something about paper being flat, I forget the specifics

So.... I don't know that I'd say home-schooling weirds kids. I'd say weird parents weird kids.
 
2013-05-05 11:33:51 AM
I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade, and I'm still weird.
 
2013-05-05 11:35:11 AM

Stone Meadow: This is why the US should have a no-homeschooling law like Germany.


I would not choose homeschooling for my own children, but neither would I choose Germany as my model for civil liberty.
 
2013-05-05 11:35:19 AM

j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.


They are also champion head-boilers!
 
2013-05-05 11:35:22 AM

Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.


What do you expect? He's home schooled with poor social skills.
 
2013-05-05 11:38:01 AM
Ah yes, homeschooling.  One of the suppliers of "Weird kids who often have massive gaps in their history and social science educations, leading them to vote for regressive policies."  At least in the modern era there is hope the kids will make it onto the internet one day and educate themselves.

The big issue with home schooling is that the kids who excel are the kids who have intelligent parents to serve as teachers and are motivated or able to be motivated by their parents.  My kids would come home from public school with their homework already done which left us with plenty of time in the evenings and weekends for side projects.  So the kids get all the benefits of socialization and advanced classes.  Go to school, learn to function in a formal academic environment (of sorts), and then pursue specific interests at home.  Public school is free, so you might as well use it.  You don't need someone that skilled to teach basic math, so just outsource that kind of education to school and free up both parents to work.  The second income is going to help you in terms of access to summer programs, colleges, more than picking up calculus a year early.

/plus I'm in no hurry to host a chemistry lab in my house or barn
 
2013-05-05 11:38:50 AM

Stone Meadow: This is why the US should have a no-homeschooling law like Germany.


Or at the very least cut to the chase and target the fundamentalist segment, that's the core problem right there and drags the whole subculture down with it.
 
2013-05-05 11:39:03 AM
I grew up long before the home-schooling craze and I can tell you there were weird kids from offbeat households in the public school system then.  The only real difference? They were right there amongst us so we could see their social awkwardness up close and nine times out of ten it came from some indoctrination they brought from home.  Sometimes, they brought a unique perspective to things and turned out to be pretty interesting folks.  Sometimes, they were downright sinister.
The closest thing we had to home-schooled kids were kids coming from Catholic School to high school.  Yes, the observations above applied to them as well.
 
2013-05-05 11:39:20 AM
This guy is basically me.

Same deal, moved to shiat tier school district in Virginia, ended up homeschooling as a cheaper alternative to private school.  Although I would go to a homeschool tutoring type facility 3 hours a day 3 days a week to learn from actual teachers and get help where needed... but the vast majority of stuff was self taught.

Myself and a few others were just.. normal people.  The "rest" were not.  I went to a public graduation ceremony with like 800 other homeschool children, and the main speaker went on a 5 minute rant about how gays are going to hell.  I thought my girlfriends (gay) aunt was going to explode.

Its a superior avenue of education for children with the drive and ability to self teach.  You can advance much more quickly than standard public schooling.  It does NOT take an entire year to learn.. well, fark.. anything.
 
2013-05-05 11:39:39 AM

SundaesChild: I don't know any of the religious homeschoolers, but I know a handful of anti-vaxxer hippy types and those homeschoolers are a little.... slow.


Anti-vaxxers are the religious wackos of the left.
 
2013-05-05 11:40:07 AM
Some?
 
2013-05-05 11:40:45 AM

Qellaqan: It's purely theoretical at this point, but I'm intrigued by the idea of home schooling my kids. All school taught me was how to look busy and make up fun things (an admittedly useful skill), but damn elementary school was light on learning. All I learned socially was how to be so weird that I was no longer appealing to pick on.


There's no reason you can't educate your kids and send them to public school. I was always ahead of my class in elementary school so I often read books my parents gave me during classes. There are plenty of resources out there for parents who want to do things on their own that are both educational and fun for kids.

Now look at me. I'm posting on Fark and doing a pretty good job of getting over my hangover.

/and other stuff
//but nobody believes internet bragging
 
2013-05-05 11:41:45 AM

ThatGuyGreg: I wonder if the author knows that we up north learned that the Civil War was fought over states' rights as well.

That's all you'd ever see admitted from a war-era politician in public, anyway.

That said, I'm glad to know that there are some "normal" kids being homeschooled, that it hasn't been taken over 100% by the T-Rexes With Saddles Club.


States rights to own....  Hmmm, what was it.
 
2013-05-05 11:41:57 AM
The part about the tiny classroom reminded me of some of the stories about schools in the '50s desperately trying to keep up with baby boomers. It was so bad in some places they rented house trailers.
 
2013-05-05 11:42:03 AM

jso2897: Stone Meadow: This is why the US should have a no-homeschooling law like Germany.

I would not choose homeschooling for my own children, but neither would I choose Germany as my model for civil liberty.


Please don't hang up on Germany, as it is just one example. Homeschooling is outright illegal or virtually unknown in most of the world outside the Anglo-Saxon countries. (Source)
 
2013-05-05 11:42:45 AM
I knew a crazy Christian chick who homeschooled her kid. Poor dude was socially maladjusted and was still pissing his bed much longer than he should have been. She had a rocking body though!
 
2013-05-05 11:43:00 AM

scanman61: Qellaqan: j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.

I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.

What do you expect? He's home schooled with poor social skills.


Hey, I stand proud as an example that we public school kids can be poorly socialized too.

\engineer- you seem weird and suspicious if you *are* socially skilled
\\they should be in engineering management ridicule
 
2013-05-05 11:43:26 AM
We've homeschooled our two teens now for around six years for several reasons, none of which are religious.  You likely do have a larger percentage of "interesting" - sometimes odd - kids and families in homeschooling circles because you do have families who think outside the box and don't automatically send their kids to automatron hell...er, school.

We've found homeschooled kids to be surprisingly mature, able to carry on conversations with adults or younger kids, not just their age mates, and I've had some fabulous philosophical discussions with some young teens.  The religious nutjobs get the press because they're weird 'human interest' stories, but be assured, there is a large, and growing, population of homeschoolers who choose this path because we believe it's the best option for our young family members to be productive, creative, happy, and balanced members of our society.
 
2013-05-05 11:44:22 AM
I get that the school district isn't up to snuff, but you don't need to pull the kid out of school to teach them what they should be learning.

Give the kids some challenging books on things he's interested in. Take him to science museums when he's on vacation. Sit him down for a half hour every day during summer vacation and make him do math drills. Let the kid skip a grade.
 
2013-05-05 11:46:49 AM

odinsposse: Qellaqan: It's purely theoretical at this point, but I'm intrigued by the idea of home schooling my kids. All school taught me was how to look busy and make up fun things (an admittedly useful skill), but damn elementary school was light on learning. All I learned socially was how to be so weird that I was no longer appealing to pick on.

There's no reason you can't educate your kids and send them to public school. I was always ahead of my class in elementary school so I often read books my parents gave me during classes. There are plenty of resources out there for parents who want to do things on their own that are both educational and fun for kids.

Now look at me. I'm posting on Fark and doing a pretty good job of getting over my hangover.

/and other stuff
//but nobody believes internet bragging


Mainly a time thing. It would be great if there was a half time option for school. I understand homeschooling  often does those cooperative learning days-- they would doubtless be better if not in bumfark Georgia.

I taught myself a lot of things but school is designed to be time-sucking daycare to a certain extent. Plus not everything is self-teachable. What a treat it would be to send kids for language tutoring or learning carpentry but not completely suck away their creative play time.
 
2013-05-05 11:48:32 AM

violetvolume: But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.

Too bad, it's an interesting article.


This.
 
2013-05-05 11:48:57 AM

HighlanderRPI: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Homeschooling really cuts down on the options for teacher-student sex, but when it happens, oh, boy!

And today, class, we will be learning about Oedipus Rex. There will be a hands on lab this afternoon.


On the plus side Mom wont be calling the cops after finding naked pic of the teacher on kids phone.
 
2013-05-05 11:50:18 AM
If you are dealing with problems from homeschooling, reading Fark is not going to help in the cure.
 
2013-05-05 11:50:24 AM
I reckon.

/gak
 
2013-05-05 11:51:05 AM
A lot of childhood is an exercise in conforming to the norm. Any eccentricity or deviation from the norm is noticed and ridiculed by children. Certainly home schooled kids are weird. But so are those pants, you weirdo.
 
2013-05-05 11:51:56 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.

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There. Now go read the article.


Catholic School girls are a great deal weirder than that.
 
2013-05-05 11:52:32 AM

sjcpjh1: I knew a crazy Christian chick who homeschooled her kid. Poor dude was socially maladjusted and was still pissing his bed much longer than he should have been. She had a rocking body though!


So what I'm reading here is that you went right ahead and stuck your dick in crazy.

/can't blame you, tho...when I was young I got wood when the wing blew
 
2013-05-05 11:54:31 AM
A friend I met in college was home-schooled and she's incredibly smart and got way more education than I have once she got started. It really floored me to learn last year that she's a creationist, but I guess when you're studying things like history/women in history and I think some kind of sociology, it's easy to avoid the science learnin'. I actually found out because I was complaining about someone else who is, but she and I agreed to disagree on the subject and move on, so we've stayed friends.
 
2013-05-05 11:54:49 AM
What's with all the homeschooler and homeschooling parents on here?  Isn't it Sunday?  Shouldn't they all be in church or taking the sabbath or something?
 
2013-05-05 11:55:47 AM
Scary what some parents teach their kids. They are teaching them things other people may not agree with. They have no business doing that, the state should take all kids as soon as they come out.
 
2013-05-05 11:56:47 AM
Agree with the article that there are two kinds of home schooled kids: Parents who do it because they want their kids to have a good education and can't afford private school and crazy religious people. The problem is you never know which one you're dealing with until you actually engage them in conversation.
 
2013-05-05 12:00:06 PM
Due to social issues, I was homeschooled but the sort that requires some sort of district-level oversight. I was allowed to come up with my own curriculum which I tended to breeze through in an afternoon. I think I conquered geometry in a couple of days. When my mom realized this meant I'd be out of high school by thirteen AND that my best friend from grade school had come back she talked me into slowing down and going back since I according to some doctors or something I had the intelligence but not the maturity. Me and my buddy proved this our first week back by hacking into the school's computer system and rather than changing anything, we just made certain keystrokes trigger a GW Basic program (it was a long time ago) that played the Star Spangled Banner. To keep us out of the computer system, and if we agreed to teach algebra, we could use the computer lab to play Sierra's King's Quest games whenever we wanted.
 
2013-05-05 12:00:14 PM

robogun: Scary what some parents teach their kids. They are teaching them things other people may not agree with. They have no business doing that, the state should take all kids as soon as they come out.


I agree. There should be a law that forces facts to be taught in any type of school.
 
2013-05-05 12:00:17 PM
So any idea what proportion of homeschoolers are the fundies who don't want their kids being exposed to the filthy science, gays and non-believers and which ones are doctors/researchers/whatever who simply want to provide more advanced material for their kids to tackle?
 
2013-05-05 12:01:21 PM

odinsposse: Now look at me. I'm posting on Fark and doing a pretty good job of getting over my hangover.

/and other stuff
//but nobody believes internet bragging


the precedent has been set... if you want to prove how 'normal' you are after having been homeschooled... we're going to need to see at least one pic of your smiling, 'hot wife'.
 
2013-05-05 12:02:34 PM
In 5th grade a friend of mines parents converted to mormams pulled him and his little sister out of school and cut contact with everyone both of the kids committed susicide before they were 18. Why is it that the people least qualified to teach anything are the ones that think they can teach everything
 
2013-05-05 12:03:36 PM
We homeschooled my son 96-98 when we discovered that the Sumter, SC school system was hands down the most incompetent and useless one we'd ever seen (and I grew up/lived in Cleveland) .  We used a faith-based system, but it was surprisingly derp-free - I taught math, science, and history and made it VERY clear to the Former Mrs Coast that we would be discussing things that would upset some of her friends.  To her credit, she kept her mouth shut, and our son always did well all the way across the board.  We also made sure there was LOTS of interaction with others - in USAF base housing, there's no shortage of kids to hang out with.  Our son didn't really start to have academic problems until the Former Mrs Coast told me she had promised God that she would send him to a Christian school....and it was up to ME to make that happen.  Best and biggest Christian school in town turned out to be Christian in name only, and they just kept passing him as long as the checks kept clearing.
 
2013-05-05 12:03:57 PM

Ronin_S: So any idea what proportion of homeschoolers are the fundies who don't want their kids being exposed to the filthy science, gays and non-believers and which ones are doctors/researchers/whatever who simply want to provide more advanced material for their kids to tackle?


If you're ok with data from 2007 (PDF) it was about 72-83% of homeschooling was done for religious or moral reasons.
 
2013-05-05 12:04:02 PM

But Wait There's More: But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.


Is this Denny or Danny?
 
2013-05-05 12:08:03 PM

Mad Scientist: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

Beat me to it.

[i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]


Ya know, I remember that thread.  And I recall feeling really really bad for the guy that posted it.  I don't suppose you recall how long ago that was ... ?
 
2013-05-05 12:09:10 PM
I'll agree with the two types.

Anecdotal evidence time:  I know a guy that is in his late 20's now.  He was home schooled, and is very well adjusted socially, and it pretty damn sharp.  Good job, great spouse, and a new dad.  He's one of those guys that is respected and appreciated.  I don't know if he was home schooled for religious reasons or a lack of faith in the local school system.  Both reasons are plausible in this case.

I also know two girls (relatives by marriage) now in their late teens that were home schooled.  OK, I don't think they were actually taught anything other than how to take care of their much younger siblings.  They learned that lesson well, as both managed to get knocked up by age 16, and both had their second child by age 18, out of wedlock in both cases.  Their contribution to society so far has been to suck up benefits, and to serve as a lesson to others, including my own daughter.
And yeah, they were home schooled for religious reasons.  The local school system isn't that great, but they are a hell of a lot smarter than these particular parents.
 
2013-05-05 12:09:42 PM
This IS a bookmark first of all.  My wife, myself and my mother all homeschool my youngest son (9) and have done so for almost a year now.  The reasons we do so and what led us to such a hard decision would take a 20 page article to explain.  To sum up, fark public school system and the power abusing farks they harbor. Not to mention the psychotic little shiats who run rampant through the halls physically abusing anybody they wish.   Getting him out of that meat grinder probably saved his life or at least his future sanity.

Too farking much to say on the subject.  Would need hours and a few dozen drinks to get it all out.  Just.  fark that god damn public school system and those farking teachers and that god damn principal and those psychotic farking kids.

/fark AISD
 
2013-05-05 12:10:32 PM

But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.


It doesn't, but you should click anyway.  It's written by someone who was homeschooled as a child, and has first-hand experience with the subject.
 
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