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2013-05-05 08:06:16 AM  
The scariest thing I can think of is this guy is probably not exaggerating about the kids he met.
 
2013-05-05 08:18:29 AM  
Homeschooling really cuts down on the options for teacher-student sex, but when it happens, oh, boy!
 
2013-05-05 08:45:29 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Homeschooling really cuts down on the options for teacher-student sex, but when it happens, oh, boy!


And today, class, we will be learning about Oedipus Rex. There will be a hands on lab this afternoon.
 
2013-05-05 09:00:53 AM  
I've known a few home schooled kids casually, and without exception they are socially inept.  Smart?  Meh.  About as smart as any other kid.  But socially akward.

I teach my daughter all that she needs to know, she's in Kindergarten but reading at least at a 3rd grade level.  She doesn't go to school to learn, she goes to school to make friends, and learn that while in this household she is the princess, in the rest of the world she's just another kid.  It's important to learn those lessons, and make those friends.
 
2013-05-05 09:05:49 AM  
So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.
 
2013-05-05 09:22:15 AM  
I wonder if the author knows that we up north learned that the Civil War was fought over states' rights as well.

That's all you'd ever see admitted from a war-era politician in public, anyway.

That said, I'm glad to know that there are some "normal" kids being homeschooled, that it hasn't been taken over 100% by the T-Rexes With Saddles Club.
 
2013-05-05 09:52:01 AM  
fta For some other kids, though, it was a means of escaping the evil, secularist curriculum of public school. The Earth is 6,000 years old, global warming is a myth, Satan buried dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us, and these children must not be taught otherwise, lest the fiery lakes of hell burn the flesh from their little limbs.

One of my Teabagger coworkers has 8 or 9 (or 10) kids, and this is the reason he homeschooled them. He explained to me how scientists lie about the age of fossils. It seems that those sneaky scientists only ever talk about the fossils which lay horizontally within a single layer of sedimentary rock. They never mention all the fossils which are deposited vertically across several layers. To my coworker and his kids, this proves two things: 1) Scientists are liars, and 2) The Earth is only a few thousand years old. Really.
 
2013-05-05 10:04:09 AM  
i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-05 10:53:00 AM  

But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.


Nah, it's all anecdotal. In fairness, a large bloc of the home-schooled kids around here(Indiana) are evangelicals, and/or new-earthers. That skews the weirdness factor-- at least my perception of it anyway. He covers those in TFA. He also summarizes with this

I thought about it a few days ago and realized that this sentiment was probably a major factor in my decision to drop out of college after a single semester during which I almost never went to any classes. I felt like I did as that ten-year-old who decided he wasn't going to go to school anymore. It felt like gaming the system all over again. Most kids, after four years of college, would have endured 17 years of real, actual schooling, and I was escaping with only nine.

So he's no gem either.
 
2013-05-05 10:55:28 AM  
Buy they have great teeth.
 
2013-05-05 10:57:41 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.


Beat me to it.

i169.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-05 10:58:05 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.


No pic - no cigar, lazy-ass.
 
2013-05-05 10:59:06 AM  

jso2897: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

No pic - no cigar, lazy-ass.


I have to agree.
Ahh, some things are timeless.
 
2013-05-05 10:59:38 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.


I knew that would pop up.
 
2013-05-05 11:01:19 AM  

Mad Scientist: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

Beat me to it.

[i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]



  thats alot of farking teeth....
 
2013-05-05 11:01:22 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: I wonder if the author knows that we up north learned that the Civil War was fought over states' rights as well.

That's all you'd ever see admitted from a war-era politician in public, anyway.

That said, I'm glad to know that there are some "normal" kids being homeschooled, that it hasn't been taken over 100% by the T-Rexes With Saddles Club.


I don't think the sole concern with homeschooling is educational content. In fact, it isn't the reason i wouldn't  (and didn't) homeschool mine. I could have easily supplied a superior "education" at home. To me, that isn't the issue.
 
2013-05-05 11:02:38 AM  

Mad Scientist: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

Beat me to it.

[i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]


Only took 10 posts to mention it, 11 to post.  Not bad....
 
2013-05-05 11:03:18 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: jso2897: Popcorn Johnny: Buy they have great teeth.

No pic - no cigar, lazy-ass.

I have to agree.
Ahh, some things are timeless.


It got done anyway - so it's all good.
 
2013-05-05 11:04:14 AM  
I went to public school where there were no weird kids or social misfits and everyone was well adjusted and popular.
 
2013-05-05 11:04:45 AM  
I love home-school girl. Poor thing.
 
2013-05-05 11:06:34 AM  
i169.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-05 11:07:18 AM  

WanPhat: I went to public school where there were no weird kids or social misfits and everyone was well adjusted and popular.


So you went to West Beverly High?
 
2013-05-05 11:07:23 AM  

But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.


s9.postimg.org

There. Now go read the article.
 
2013-05-05 11:07:46 AM  
I know a guy who is in his 20's who was homeschooled.

He is socially awkward, believes in a lot of religious mumbo jumbo, and sells weed for a living because he can't get a real job.
 
2013-05-05 11:08:23 AM  
What is sad/scary about home schooling is that (from what I have read) most home school programs that you can use are faith-based.  That is all great and good if you want to teach creationism and all that, but not good if you want to teach real science.
 
2013-05-05 11:08:53 AM  
done been beat twice already, good work y'all

/homeschooled.tiff
 
2013-05-05 11:09:18 AM  

Notabunny: fta For some other kids, though, it was a means of escaping the evil, secularist curriculum of public school. The Earth is 6,000 years old, global warming is a myth, Satan buried dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us, and these children must not be taught otherwise, lest the fiery lakes of hell burn the flesh from their little limbs.

One of my Teabagger coworkers has 8 or 9 (or 10) kids, and this is the reason he homeschooled them. He explained to me how scientists lie about the age of fossils. It seems that those sneaky scientists only ever talk about the fossils which lay horizontally within a single layer of sedimentary rock. They never mention all the fossils which are deposited vertically across several layers. To my coworker and his kids, this proves two things: 1) Scientists are liars, and 2) The Earth is only a few thousand years old. Really.


I home school my kids for the exact opposite reason. I don't want some idiot teaching them that "Jesus rode dinosaurs, so vote against gay people!" I'm an atheist, but my wife isn't, so we have a unique balance, and let the kids choose their own beliefs.

Though, I can tell you now, they'd better not ever bring up any Earth is only 6000 years old stuff.
 
2013-05-05 11:10:58 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.

[s9.postimg.org image 600x582]

There. Now go read the article.


hahahaha. awesome
 
2013-05-05 11:12:14 AM  

FlashHarry: [i39.tinypic.com image 550x400]


Come on, that has to be a photoshop. Please let it be one.
 
2013-05-05 11:13:04 AM  

Ennuipoet: The scariest thing I can think of is this guy is probably not exaggerating about the kids he met.


Nope, he's not.

I worked with a extreme-Christian-homeschooled-girl in Michigan.  It was her first real job and we were very likely the first people she had interacted with on a frequent basis who weren't connected to her church.  Hell, our manager had to promise her mom we'd drive her home every day.  It was three blocks away.

She wasn't as emotionally wrecked as the kids in the story, although she almost had a breakdown when we tried to teach her logic one day.  She was a sweetheart and I was mainly just pissed the f--k off she was going to have a f--king horrible time if she ever decided to leave the church.  She caught up on the social norm stuff pretty quickly but that something as just off was immediately apparent.

That said, she probably had a better shot than the ex-Scientologist home schooled girl with two kids I briefly knew while she was trying to tear herself out of the church...
 
2013-05-05 11:13:13 AM  

jso2897: No pic - no cigar, lazy-ass.


You say that like it's a given that I have the picture saved somewhere.
 
2013-05-05 11:14:16 AM  

But Wait There's More: So are some public-schooled kids, private-schooled kids, parochial-schooled kids, and completely unschooled kids.

But unless someone confirms to me that TFA includes statistics showing homeschooled kids are statistically weirder than non-homeschooled kids, I ain't clicking.


Too bad, it's an interesting article.
 
2013-05-05 11:14:31 AM  

skinink: [i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]


OK, I have to ask, what is the origin of that meme?
 
2013-05-05 11:14:47 AM  
Who knew that kids who failed to develop socialization skills end up not being able to socialize with other kids.

Say it aint so.

/ even zoos force animals to attain socialization skills before unleashing them on a new environment.
 
2013-05-05 11:15:12 AM  
Out of a graduating class of 239, there were definitely about a dozen or so that were truly weird.  Of the 5 people I know who home schooled, 5 of them are truly weird.
 
2013-05-05 11:15:15 AM  
Most of what I know about home schooled kids is from Movie 43.


/Yeah, they are weird
 
2013-05-05 11:17:10 AM  
i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-05 11:18:37 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: jso2897: No pic - no cigar, lazy-ass.

You say that like it's a given that I have the picture saved somewhere.


That was my problem - I discovered, to my shock, that I didn't have it - but i won't let it happen again, and you'd better not, either. Let this be a lesson to you.
 
2013-05-05 11:20:49 AM  

Mock26: What is sad/scary about home schooling is that (from what I have read) most home school programs that you can use are faith-based.  That is all great and good if you want to teach creationism and all that, but not good if you want to teach real science.


Most "homeschool programs" that you see advertised are religious-based because there is little need for special secular homeschool programs.  Those programs are already available from the same textbook publishers that supply the school systems.

I homeschooled one of my kids from 6th-12th grades.  I used the same textbooks that the school used - from Prentiss-Hall and McGraw-Hill.  I simply registered with those companies as a homeschool teacher and I got to buy all the books I needed.

So there is ZERO problem with teaching real versus creationist science.  You only teach religious-based topics if you want to; you never have to.
 
2013-05-05 11:21:35 AM  

jso2897: That was my problem - I discovered, to my shock, that I didn't have it - but i won't let it happen again, and you'd better not, either. Let this be a lesson to you.


Lesson learned. You wouldn't happen to have a spare copy of Rainbow Brite girl, would you?
 
2013-05-05 11:22:01 AM  
Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.
 
2013-05-05 11:23:31 AM  
I only knew one home-schooled family, but I really admired how they did it. The kids were mixed-race, so they were concerned what kinds of social messages they might receive when they were really young. So they home schooled and had the kids do club swimming every night of the week, in addition to other social outlets. They sent the kids to school for high school. The one is the first rhode's scholar from his college. Just because dumb people do it doesn't mean it's a bad idea. It's just a bad idea the way they choose to do it.

It's purely theoretical at this point, but I'm intrigued by the idea of home schooling my kids. All school taught me was how to look busy and make up fun things (an admittedly useful skill), but damn elementary school was light on learning. All I learned socially was how to be so weird that I was no longer appealing to pick on.
 
2013-05-05 11:23:50 AM  
I don't know any of the religious homeschoolers, but I know a handful of anti-vaxxer hippy types and those homeschoolers are a little.... slow.
 
2013-05-05 11:24:03 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I worked with a extreme-Christian-homeschooled-girl in Michigan. It was her first real job and we were very likely the first people she had interacted with on a frequent basis who weren't connected to her church. Hell, our manager had to promise her mom we'd drive her home every day. It was three blocks away.


I worked with a girl like that my 1st job out of college, the good news for her was this business was full of 20 somethings and she was able to find a sympathetic roommate and work her way out of that life pretty quickly.
 
2013-05-05 11:24:29 AM  

RickN99: Mock26: What is sad/scary about home schooling is that (from what I have read) most home school programs that you can use are faith-based.  That is all great and good if you want to teach creationism and all that, but not good if you want to teach real science.

Most "homeschool programs" that you see advertised are religious-based because there is little need for special secular homeschool programs.  Those programs are already available from the same textbook publishers that supply the school systems.

I homeschooled one of my kids from 6th-12th grades.  I used the same textbooks that the school used - from Prentiss-Hall and McGraw-Hill.  I simply registered with those companies as a homeschool teacher and I got to buy all the books I needed.

So there is ZERO problem with teaching real versus creationist science.  You only teach religious-based topics if you want to; you never have to.


I was not aware that the textbook publishers had programs.  Thank you for clearing that up for me.  Of course, the only homeschooling I have done only involved things like, Sit, Shake, and Play Dead.
 
2013-05-05 11:25:31 AM  

Mock26: skinink: [i169.photobucket.com image 422x532]

OK, I have to ask, what is the origin of that meme?


Some asshat posted that pic in a Fark thread, said it was his girlfriend.  Other asshats picked him apart.  It was epic or something.
 
2013-05-05 11:25:58 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: jso2897: That was my problem - I discovered, to my shock, that I didn't have it - but i won't let it happen again, and you'd better not, either. Let this be a lesson to you.

Lesson learned. You wouldn't happen to have a spare copy of Rainbow Brite girl, would you?


No, but thanks for reminding me of that epic thread.
BTW - if you are going to GIS "Rainbow Brite Girl", you might want to turn on the adult content filter.
 
2013-05-05 11:26:03 AM  

j0ndas: Homeschoolers probably are a bit "weird", if by weird you mean educated, not caught up in fashion and music, interested in learning things totally not on the core curriculum, etc. My siblings have done just fine in swim team, Civil Air Patrol, tae kwon do, Boy Scouts, etc., and then later in a large variety of campus clubs (several have led said clubs) and in the business world. However, relating to most public-schooled teens is difficult, because most public-schooled teens are shallow and two grades behind homeschoolers of the same age. That's why homeschoolers tend to get along better with adults and less with most children - they have more in common with adults.

By the way, funny fact - that button mentioned in the article "Home's cool... Homeschool!" was probably sold by me personally at one of the conventions we went to back then. I and/or my brother usually manned our booth, and we'd sell about $100 of buttons on the side. Man, the button-making device gave us blisters, though.


I hope this is a clever troll because you come off as rather unpleasant.
 
2013-05-05 11:27:03 AM  
I can't remember the last time I read the entirety of an article or blog post that Fark linked to.  Nice find, subby.

\grew up in rural Oklahoma
\\I know way too many of these homeschooled Evangelical people
\\\*shudder*
 
2013-05-05 11:27:11 AM  
I thought it was a good article. Scary what some of those parents were teaching their kids, but looking forward, it's obvious they won't be able to cope with the real world, even as politicians. And that's sayin' something. That one kid who wanted to beat up other kids and kill stuff in the woods... Future serial killer.
 
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