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(CNN)   Punching the ref in the face for yellow-carding you? Yeah, that's a red card. Causing internal injuries that the ref dies of a few days later? We're going to need a new color of card   (cnn.com) divider line 66
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2013-05-05 08:57:54 AM
Ref killed by a SLC punk.
 
2013-05-05 09:07:04 AM
Pretty sure killing the ref is a very little seen black card
 
2013-05-05 09:28:28 AM

gambitsgirl: Pretty sure killing the ref is a very little seen black card


That's racist.jpg
 
2013-05-05 09:30:58 AM
This will be more racist then. I just read another article that included...


"The teachers said their students found more than 50 water bottles, six beer cans, lots of cigarette butts and a used diaper when they went to use the fields the following Monday."

The "kid" was 5'8" and 220.

I change my card color to red white and green.
 
2013-05-05 09:31:25 AM

gambitsgirl: Pretty sure killing the ref is a very little seen black card


A black card for the blackguard.
 
2013-05-05 09:37:51 AM
But, he said, the league has a no-tolerance policy and kicks out players if they engage in violence toward each other, referees or parents.

Oooh, that will show him.  Charge the punk as an adult with involuntary manslaughter.  If he's big enough to kill someone with one punch he's big enough for adult time.
 
2013-05-05 10:04:28 AM
I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.
 
2013-05-05 10:29:03 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


He'll have a lot of time to ponder on it now.
 
2013-05-05 10:30:38 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


That was a career decision there.
 
2013-05-05 10:41:05 AM
I read anorher article on this before he died. His daughter said that he had been attacked twice before unrelated to this. Once he got broken ribs. Once a broken leg. This is one hardcore soccer league. Apparently in this incident he was sitting there doing some paperwork and the kid came up and sucker punched him.

Well I can't paste the link on my smartphone but it is a USA today article from 5/2.
 
2013-05-05 10:43:05 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


I feel bad for the victim and his family. The piece of shiat who killed him can rot in state prison for all I care.
 
2013-05-05 10:45:39 AM
i'm pretty sure he didn't mean to kill the guy.
 
2013-05-05 10:51:25 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


I don't feel bad for the kid. He was impulsive and he should pay the price of his impulsive actions.
 
2013-05-05 10:57:06 AM
Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

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2013-05-05 10:57:24 AM
Whatever color the killing card ends up being, the referee issuing it should probably not do it in person.
 
2013-05-05 10:57:30 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


I am not a lawyer, but at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter. The kid lashed out in anger, but he had no way of knowing that a simple punch would wind up killing the guy.
 
2013-05-05 11:02:18 AM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


Well, he's going to learn that bad decisions have consequences, although nothing that he suffers will be remotely as bad as what the family is going through.  So I feel bad for the family.
 
2013-05-05 11:06:16 AM

remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?


0/10

Quite pathetic actually
 
2013-05-05 11:09:34 AM
SilentStrider:  at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter.

Utah Criminal Code 76-5-203.   Murder.

(2) Criminal homicide constitutes murder if:
(b) intending to cause serious bodily injury to another, the actor commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of another;

I definitely wouldn't say "at most it sounds like manslaughter."  I think it depends on more specific facts of what actually happened.  But if he did just haul off and cold clock the guy... that be murder.
 
2013-05-05 11:13:46 AM

remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

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Get yourself in a little bare-knuckle barfight and put your idea to the test.  Then see how far your halfassed theory of appropriate response gets you when the cops show up.

Nearly anything that happens in a fight can end up killing.  Even a simple shove can end up cracking some poor bastard's skull if he trips and falls.  But that's not sufficient cause for escalation.  You don't get to end every shoving match by blowing some guy's brains out, no matter how much of a power-trip fantasy it might be.
 
2013-05-05 11:21:09 AM

demonocracy21: SilentStrider:  at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter.

Utah Criminal Code 76-5-203.   Murder.

(2) Criminal homicide constitutes murder if:
(b) intending to cause serious bodily injury to another, the actor commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of another;

I definitely wouldn't say "at most it sounds like manslaughter."  I think it depends on more specific facts of what actually happened.  But if he did just haul off and cold clock the guy... that be murder.


The big question is; as a new kid playing for the first time with this team, and as its the end if the season so that's odd... did he come from outside the club (kicked off school team?) or did the club move him due to personality issues.

If he just moved there then there may be a way no one knew.

But his yellow is being reported and a gk slinging down a forward in prep for a corner. That was flagrant foul one. The punch was foul two.

IMHO IANASP
 
2013-05-05 11:51:05 AM
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Bet he wished  he had this card
 
2013-05-05 12:04:22 PM
FIFA's handed out lifetime bans for far less. Which is rather academic at this point, but still.
 
2013-05-05 12:04:49 PM

SilentStrider: gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.

I am not a lawyer, but at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter. The kid lashed out in anger, but he had no way of knowing that a simple punch would wind up killing the guy.


According to the eggshell skull doctrine his knowledge is immaterial.
 
2013-05-05 12:06:10 PM

skinink: Ref killed by a SLC punk.


The Fight: What does it mean and where does it come from?

An Essay: Homosapien. A man. He is alone in the universe. A punker. Still a man. He is alone in the universe, but he connects. How? They hit each other. No clearer way to evaluate whether or not you're alive.

Now. Complications. A reason to fight. Somebody different. Difference creates dispute. Dispute is a reason to fight. Now, to fight is a reason to feel pain. Life is pain. So to fight with reason is to be alive with reason. Final analysis: To fight, a reason to live.

Problems and Contradictions: I am an anarchist. I believe that there should be no rules, only chaos. Fighting appears to be chaos. And when we slam in the pit a show it is. But when we fight for a reason, like rednecks, there's a system, we fight for what we stand for, chaos. Fighting is a structure, fighting is to establish power, power is government and government is not anarchy. Government is war and war is fighting.

The circle goes like this: our redneck skirmishes are cheap perversions of conventional warfare. War implies extreme government because wars are fought to enforce rules or ideals, even freedom. But other people ideals forced on someone else, even if it is something like freedom, is still a rule; not anarchy.

This contradiction was becoming clear to me in the fall of '85. Even as early as my first party, "Why did I love to fight?" I framed it, but still, I don't understand it. It goes against my beliefs as a true anarchist.

But there it was. Competition, fighting, capitalism, government, THE SYSTEM. That's what we did. It's what we always did. Rednecks kicked the shiat out of punks, punks kicked the shiat out of mods, mods kicked the shiat out of skinheads, skinheads took out the heavy metal guys, and the heavy metal guys beat the living shiat out of new wavers and the new wavers did nothing.

What was the point?  Final summation: None.
 
2013-05-05 12:16:44 PM
I always thought soccer players were just pretending to be made of glass...
 
2013-05-05 12:23:09 PM

Peter von Nostrand: remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

0/10

Quite pathetic actually


Ha...butthurt is funny.
 
2013-05-05 12:55:30 PM
 
2013-05-05 12:57:37 PM

remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

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that kid looks like he's 12...or 14...how old is he in this photo again?
 
2013-05-05 01:06:15 PM

SlothB77: i'm pretty sure he didn't mean to kill the guy.


That's why we invented the phrase "INvoluntary manslaughter."
 
2013-05-05 01:47:22 PM
How about 'banned from the sport for life' and 'a trial for manslaughter'?

/He punched the ref in the *face* and *killed* him?  Who let a Rugby player into a Soccer game?
 
2013-05-05 02:02:50 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: How about 'banned from the sport for life' and 'a trial for manslaughter'?

/He punched the ref in the *face* and *killed* him?  Who let a Rugby player into a Soccer game?


I read somewhere that it was more of a sucker-punch to the temple while the ref was filling out the documentation on the yellow card in his notebook.  So, less of a "rugby player" and more of a gaping pussy.
 
2013-05-05 02:15:22 PM

SubBass49: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: How about 'banned from the sport for life' and 'a trial for manslaughter'?

/He punched the ref in the *face* and *killed* him?  Who let a Rugby player into a Soccer game?

I read somewhere that it was more of a sucker-punch to the temple while the ref was filling out the documentation on the yellow card in his notebook.  So, less of a "rugby player" and more of a gaping pussy.


I read that too. That's why i'm more inclined for the murder interpretation. The kid didn't lose his temper immediately, he waited and hit him unseen. It wasn't even a "fight". He's 17 and doesn't realize people can get seriously damaged that way, or he doesn't care. Either way, I don't think society needs this one.
 
2013-05-05 02:25:51 PM

demonocracy21: SilentStrider:  at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter.

Utah Criminal Code 76-5-203.   Murder.

(2) Criminal homicide constitutes murder if:
(b) intending to cause serious bodily injury to another, the actor commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of another;

I definitely wouldn't say "at most it sounds like manslaughter."  I think it depends on more specific facts of what actually happened.  But if he did just haul off and cold clock the guy... that be murder.


Anyone throwing a single punch is not trying to kill someone. Of course, try explaining that to Billy Budd
 
2013-05-05 02:49:17 PM

gilgigamesh: I feel bad for the kid. He probably lashed out without even thinking about it, and now he's a murderer.


If it turns out there is some reason he is such an angry young man, for example abuse, then I'll feel bad for him.

As it stands, he's a chicken-shiat punk who likes to hit people from behind.  He's a murderer because of the choices he made and things he decided to do.

Not sure how I could feel bad for him.
 
2013-05-05 03:23:38 PM

haterade: hat kid looks like he's 12...or 14...how old is he in this photo again?


8 months.  He was a big infant.
 
2013-05-05 04:08:31 PM

Peter von Nostrand: remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

0/10

Quite pathetic actually


You must be one of the ones who believe that using a gun to defend yourself against an "unarmed" person is never legitimately self defense.
 
2013-05-05 04:17:27 PM
Okay, 17 should be eligible for adult sentencing in this case.

SEVENTEEN. He KILLED a guy over a f*cking YELLOW CARD. Release his god damned name.
 
2013-05-05 04:22:06 PM

remus: Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.


Zimmerman should have easily, EASILY been able to overpower Martin, just with his size and center of mass. Martin was a f*cking paperweight.

Disregarding all of the circumstances leading up to the confrontation (which clearly implies Zimmerman had a hand in the confrontation, at the very least), it's hard to overpower someone after they suckerpunch you and basically scramble your brain before you know what even happened.
 
2013-05-05 04:51:34 PM
And, yeah, after reading more details... charge him with Murder 2 (or the equivalent in Utah).

It's not as if he kicked the guy and he died of a blood clot in his leg, there's REASON to believe a 200 pound person throwing a full-on punch at the temple of any other human being could potentially kill them.
 
2013-05-05 04:52:09 PM
I, too, like seeing that there may be rumor that this 17-year-old may, or may not, be older than that. But without "official" documentation...
 
rka
2013-05-05 05:16:00 PM

HaywoodJablonski: demonocracy21: SilentStrider:  at most it sounds like voluntary manslaughter.

Utah Criminal Code 76-5-203.   Murder.

(2) Criminal homicide constitutes murder if:
(b) intending to cause serious bodily injury to another, the actor commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of another;

I definitely wouldn't say "at most it sounds like manslaughter."  I think it depends on more specific facts of what actually happened.  But if he did just haul off and cold clock the guy... that be murder.

Anyone throwing a single punch is not trying to kill someone. Of course, try explaining that to Billy Budd


No, but if that's the actual statute in Utah than intending to kill someone isn't necessary to get charged with murder. "intending to cause serious bodily injury"....hmm, I don't think he was trying to give him a love punch do you? They weren't playing Slug Bug in the back of the station wagon.
 
2013-05-05 05:34:21 PM
You could be theoretically charged with murder if you and a buddy rob a liquor store with a gun, he trips while running out of the store, and shoots himself in the head.

So, yeah, Upgrayyed this guy's charges.
 
2013-05-05 06:05:38 PM

puffy999: Okay, 17 should be eligible for adult sentencing in this case.

SEVENTEEN. He KILLED a guy over a f*cking YELLOW CARD. Release his god damned name.


Just imagine if he had the same rage when someone in soccer took a dive......
 
2013-05-05 06:14:48 PM

remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

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I'm ok with your post.
 
2013-05-05 06:48:45 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I read anorher article on this before he died. His daughter said that he had been attacked twice before unrelated to this. Once he got broken ribs. Once a broken leg. This is one hardcore soccer league. Apparently in this incident he was sitting there doing some paperwork and the kid came up and sucker punched him.

Well I can't paste the link on my smartphone but it is a USA today article from 5/2.


Must have been a shiatty ref!
 
2013-05-05 06:55:28 PM

Wasteland: remus: Ok, wait a second.  Fark told me that a 17 year old punching a 40 something is NOT deadly force and that the 40 something should just take his punching like a man and not respond as if this attack might kill him.  Hmmm....  I guess maybe, just maybe the Fark trolls were wrong about that..  I guess a 17 year old can actually kill an older man with even just one punch.  Seems to justify responding to such an attack with equal (deadly) force?

[cdn.necolebiatchie.com image 640x360]

Get yourself in a little bare-knuckle barfight and put your idea to the test.  Then see how far your halfassed theory of appropriate response gets you when the cops show up.

Nearly anything that happens in a fight can end up killing.  Even a simple shove can end up cracking some poor bastard's skull if he trips and falls.  But that's not sufficient cause for escalation.  You don't get to end every shoving match by blowing some guy's brains out, no matter how much of a power-trip fantasy it might be.


If your life is on the line and you have a gun, you use the damn thing in self defense especially if the other guy is making every effort to paint the cement with your blood.  Fark the aggressor, shoot the motherfarker!
 
2013-05-05 07:03:05 PM

puffy999: Zimmerman should have easily, EASILY been able to overpower Martin, just with his size and center of mass. Martin was a f*cking paperweight.


Zimmerman weighed 170 and was 5'9. He now weighs 270.  Martin weighed 160 and was 5'11, not a huge difference, but Martin does weigh less now.
 
2013-05-05 07:25:00 PM

mjbok: puffy999: Zimmerman should have easily, EASILY been able to overpower Martin, just with his size and center of mass. Martin was a f*cking paperweight.

Zimmerman weighed 170 and was 5'9. He now weighs 270.  Martin weighed 160 and was 5'11, not a huge difference, but Martin does weigh less now.


I thought Martin was only about a buck thirty.

/you're right about what he weights now, though
 
2013-05-05 07:26:58 PM

puffy999: I thought Martin was only about a buck thirty.

/you're right about what he weights now, though


Coroner's report said 159.  Of course that could be the extra weight of the Skittles, who knows?
 
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