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(Guardian)   NASA, the National Science Foundation, the Pentagon and DHS are all worried that the Arctic will be ice-free by 2015. But obviously they're just looking for grant money by being part of the global-warming conspiracy   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-05-05 06:03:22 AM  
On the plus side, Russia is now probably destitute enough that a war vs Canada over the Artic Sea oil deposits should be quite evenly matched (should the rest of us not jump in).
 
2013-05-05 08:09:26 AM  
Incoming wall of green text!!!!

Duck and cover!
 
2013-05-05 08:33:28 AM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-05 09:14:20 AM  
And all our water will evaporate into outer space by 2015, and by 2016 Earth will look like the surface of Mars,so we should stop funding NASA (at least for space outreach) since our planet will look like Mars, anyway.
 
2013-05-05 09:53:03 AM  
All those Ferraris and call girls aren't going to pay for themselves!
 
2013-05-05 09:54:51 AM  
The most troubling thing I read in the article is that this AMEG group, comprised of what appear to be  bona fide climate scientists, recommends we try to geoengineer our way out of this situation. I don't see how anything could go wrong there. I am pretty sure their position is not mainstream but it's extremely troubling nonetheless.
 
2013-05-05 09:59:41 AM  

b0rscht: The most troubling thing I read in the article is that this AMEG group, comprised of what appear to be  bona fide climate scientists, recommends we try to geoengineer our way out of this situation. I don't see how anything could go wrong there. I am pretty sure their position is not mainstream but it's extremely troubling nonetheless.


Yeah, I mean... I think we can do that, some day soon, but I'm not convinced that day is between now and 2015. Rushing into some giant plan maayyyyy have unforseen consequences.

/finds his crowbar
 
2013-05-05 10:00:08 AM  
There must be some conservative group out there willing to pay me to run around saying that global warming is fake....

I'm feeling bootstrappy!
 
2013-05-05 10:00:15 AM  
Jesus never said anything about global warming therefore we do nothing and god will keep putting moar oils in the ground for us to burn.

It's fool proof.
 
2013-05-05 10:02:01 AM  
Thanks Obama and teh liberal media Elite.

Warble warble Warble!!!
 
2013-05-05 10:10:08 AM  
The methane feedback they mention should scare the shiat out of anyone who has a vague understanding of how greenhouse gases work. While methane has a shorter atmospheric residence time than CO2, it's much, much more powerful of a greenhouse gas. If the methane is released, all the bad shiat that's been forecast to happen 100 years out will start happening in 10 years - so everyone alive now will get to see it rather than kicking it down to their descendants. Seems rather apt.

We might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride, because there is jack-all we can do about it at this point, save kill half of the world's population. Who knows, maybe a global pandemic will happen on its own, sending all those icky tropical diseases northward to first-world-ville.

My life is (statistically) half over, and I'm glad I got to experience this world in a somewhat stable post-glacial baseline state. Sorry for the rest of you farkers.
 
2013-05-05 10:17:15 AM  

b0rscht: The methane feedback they mention should scare the shiat out of anyone who has a vague understanding of how greenhouse gases work. While methane has a shorter atmospheric residence time than CO2, it's much, much more powerful of a greenhouse gas. If the methane is released, all the bad shiat that's been forecast to happen 100 years out will start happening in 10 years - so everyone alive now will get to see it rather than kicking it down to their descendants. Seems rather apt.

We might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride, because there is jack-all we can do about it at this point, save kill half of the world's population. Who knows, maybe a global pandemic will happen on its own, sending all those icky tropical diseases northward to first-world-ville.

My life is (statistically) half over, and I'm glad I got to experience this world in a somewhat stable post-glacial baseline state. Sorry for the rest of you farkers.


Eh, there's no point in me freaking out about it (I do try to reduce m own personalconsumption), but we do have a few potential "In case of global warming, break glass" solutions. One of which is simply releasing a farkton of finely ground diamataceous earth into the air currents above the north (or south) poles during their respective summers. (Which I've been told travel in a circle, more or less? The air currents, that is), thus reducing some of the incident light.

This would probably ultimately have some consequences down the line that we can't forsee, of course, so should probably only be an emergency scenario.
 
2013-05-05 10:20:16 AM  
Bah, the species will just move to Mars or something, because technology.
 
2013-05-05 10:20:40 AM  
"Arctic Ice Death Spiral"?

Yeah....sounds like an impartial article....

At least it's a near term prediction so we can wait and see if their mad prediction skilz pan out.
 
2013-05-05 10:24:23 AM  
Well, if the Pentagon's worried about it, something might get funded by Congress
 
2013-05-05 10:26:55 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Bah, the species will just move to Mars or something, because technology.


It's like you're not even trying anymore. I think someone needs their coffee.
 
2013-05-05 10:27:04 AM  

b0rscht: The methane feedback they mention should scare the shiat out of anyone who has a vague understanding of how greenhouse gases work. While methane has a shorter atmospheric residence time than CO2, it's much, much more powerful of a greenhouse gas. If the methane is released, all the bad shiat that's been forecast to happen 100 years out will start happening in 10 years - so everyone alive now will get to see it rather than kicking it down to their descendants. Seems rather apt.

We might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride, because there is jack-all we can do about it at this point, save kill half of the world's population. Who knows, maybe a global pandemic will happen on its own, sending all those icky tropical diseases northward to first-world-ville.

My life is (statistically) half over, and I'm glad I got to experience this world in a somewhat stable post-glacial baseline state. Sorry for the rest of you farkers.


Eh, I was never one for the diaper years myself.  Worst case scenario, I have to move from coastal Florida back home to southwestern New York.  At least the climate will have improved, and maybe people will start taking ecology seriously enough again for me to restart my career.  More likely, there is going to be a 6 to 8 way resource rush in the Arctic that is going to be nasty at best.  A case may be made that permifrost melting could encourage Russia to develop undersea deposits in favor of Siberia, because it may actually be easier from an infrastructure/transportation standpoint.  We are definitely living in interesting times.
 
2013-05-05 10:33:55 AM  
So .... Harold Camping is writing articles for the Guardian these days?  I've been wondering where he wound up.
 
2013-05-05 10:46:18 AM  

hawcian: Quantum Apostrophe: Bah, the species will just move to Mars or something, because technology.

It's like you're not even trying anymore. I think someone needs their coffee.


The coffee on the ISS tastes like shiat. You can't even bring your own machine there!
 
2013-05-05 10:47:50 AM  
Oh good, NOW the thread can begin. How lucky for us all.
 
2013-05-05 10:53:47 AM  
 
2013-05-05 10:53:49 AM  

mark12A: "Arctic Ice Death Spiral"?

Yeah....sounds like an impartial article....

At least it's a near term prediction so we can wait and see if their mad prediction skilz pan out.


Yeah. Those damn lefties in the Pentagon must be in on the conspiracy.

You've got a good plan there. Let's do nothing until we are 100% sure the scientists have every farking detail right.
 
2013-05-05 10:54:22 AM  

LasersHurt: Oh good, NOW the thread can begin. How lucky for us all.


Why don't you regale us with tales of magical technology and absurd justifications for your imaginary doomsday scenarios? Except when confronted by reality, then you and your magical technology slink back to the daycare with your box of crayons.

So, where's the magic technology to scrub the extra CO2 from the atmosphere? Surely a species with 3D printers and a few decades away from a Space Elevator should have no problems handling a few molecules of CO2 on its mud ball?

Or maybe if we wait long enough, the CO2 will age and won't react the same anymore because it's old. I see.
 
2013-05-05 10:58:40 AM  
...and 0bama fiddles while the world melts.
if only his bold actions of encouraging people to inflate their tires and his investment in Solyndra worked out.
 
2013-05-05 10:59:15 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: a few decades away from a Space Elevator


Whoa, whoa there Tex. Fark Global Warming ... where are we getting this space elevator stuff from??!? I may still be around in a 'few decades'.
 
2013-05-05 11:06:00 AM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: 2015? Yeah, that sounds legit. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=12&fd=08&fy=1988 & sm=12&sd=08&sy=2012


What exactly are you trying to show here?
 
2013-05-05 11:06:35 AM  

Farking Canuck: Quantum Apostrophe: a few decades away from a Space Elevator

Whoa, whoa there Tex. Fark Global Warming ... where are we getting this space elevator stuff from??!? I may still be around in a 'few decades'.


I know, so will I. I can't wait to confront the delusional Space Cadets when all we have is the same sub-orbital tin cans and LEO tin cans as now.
 
2013-05-05 11:11:35 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I can't wait to confront the delusional Space Cadets when all we have is the same sub-orbital tin cans and LEO tin cans as now.


You seem very anxious and/or excited about something, but it's hard to tell exactly what has you all riled up.
 
2013-05-05 11:13:46 AM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-05 11:14:50 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Farking Canuck: Quantum Apostrophe: a few decades away from a Space Elevator

Whoa, whoa there Tex. Fark Global Warming ... where are we getting this space elevator stuff from??!? I may still be around in a 'few decades'.

I know, so will I. I can't wait to confront the delusional Space Cadets when all we have is the same sub-orbital tin cans and LEO tin cans as now.


What are you even babbling about? WTF is a Space Cadet? And WTF does it have to do with this article?

Am I being trolled?
 
2013-05-05 11:17:48 AM  
Wow. Just two years to save the planet?  Again?

Why should we improve our national infrastructure?  That would only encourage people to drive and use electricity.  We need to draft all those funemployed people into press gangs to start tearing out asphalt and put in trees.  Preferably with an edible bark or nuts or something....
 
2013-05-05 11:17:52 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ...and 0bama fiddles while the world melts.
if only his bold actions of encouraging people to inflate their tires and his investment in Solyndra worked out.


It's sad how low the expectations of the rest of the world are for you.  Americans properly inflating their tires would be an improvement.
 
2013-05-05 11:19:31 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mart Laar's beard shaver: 2015? Yeah, that sounds legit. http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=12&fd=08&fy=1988 & sm=12&sd=08&sy=2012

What exactly are you trying to show here?


Yeah, I was going to ask that, too. Because he's comparing two pictures, thirty years apart, with the one thirty years later showing a dramatic decrease in the amount of ice coverage.

The picture is also showing sea ice in December, which isn't the time of year that scientists are worried about. They're worried about ice-free summers in the Arctic. So let's look at August 1982 compared to August 2012, shall we?

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=08&fd=08&fy=1988 & sm=08&sd=08&sy=2012">http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.s h?fm=08&fd=08&fy=1988& sm=08&sd=08&sy=2012

Oh shiat.
 
2013-05-05 11:21:34 AM  

Prussian_Roulette: Wow. Just two years to save the planet?  Again?

Why should we improve our national infrastructure?  That would only encourage people to drive and use electricity.  We need to draft all those funemployed people into press gangs to start tearing out asphalt and put in trees.  Preferably with an edible bark or nuts or something....


Yeah!  And other such strawmen!  How dare they, in a hypothetical fashion?!?!
 
2013-05-05 11:21:57 AM  
It's kind of amusing how there are some arguments that Canada should be pro global warming in that:

Revenue from full time NW Passage + Exposed Mineral Resources > Cost to Deal With Climate Change

/of course the Dutch are likely going to be pissed as fark when the sea level goes up yet again
 
2013-05-05 11:34:55 AM  

pslong009: The picture is also showing sea ice in December, which isn't the time of year that scientists are worried about. They're worried about ice-free summers in the Arctic.


I'd imagine  subby decided to leave the "summer" part out of the headline for kicks (or a mod changed it to drive clicks).  It's completely dishonest to imply that anyone is talking about an ice-free Arctic  during winter by 2015.  But this is the kind of dishonesty that conservatism has poisoned the conversation with.

Climatologists and paleontologists have a lot in common.  Climatologists have climate change deniers, and paleontologists have young Earth creationists.  They should hold conferences in the same place and pool their resources for booze-money.
 
2013-05-05 11:35:58 AM  
Felgraf:
This would probably ultimately have some consequences down the line that we can't forsee, of course, so should probably only be an emergency scenario.

In the winter, the gorillas will simply freeze to death.
 
2013-05-05 11:36:28 AM  
Enter the artic oil land wars.
 
2013-05-05 11:49:41 AM  
o.k. lets see:
increased shipping and economic opportunities for Canada.
altered jet stream making it warmer here in Canada.
bad weather and droughts in other areas( not Canada) making our farmers more profitable
lots and lots of oil to be had for Canada.
sounds like a win win to me.

p.s. what happened to our past amargedon worries like acid rain and ozone layer depletion,
 
2013-05-05 11:50:22 AM  
i can't wait to see my peers suffer...i'll live though i pretty much can handle anything. alone.
 
2013-05-05 11:51:17 AM  

jimpapa: p.s. what happened to our past amargedon worries like acid rain and ozone layer depletion


We did something about it and basically fixed the problem.
 
2013-05-05 11:53:17 AM  
The US Homeland Security Department's Climate Change Roadmap released last year raised similar issues, warning that climate change "could directly affect the Nation's critical infrastructure", as well as aggravating "conditions that could enable terrorist activity, violence, and mass migration".

From where exactly?
 
2013-05-05 11:53:38 AM  
This isn't news. The Russians have staked claim on half of the arctic ocean. They even staked thier flag on the north pole seabed.

preapism.com
 
2013-05-05 12:02:46 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jimpapa: p.s. what happened to our past amargedon worries like acid rain and ozone layer depletion

We did something about it and basically fixed the problem.


Too bad half the country currently views attempting to fix our current problems as tantamount to treason.
 
2013-05-05 12:04:39 PM  

jimpapa: o.k. lets see:
increased shipping and economic opportunities for Canada.
altered jet stream making it warmer here in Canada.
bad weather and droughts in other areas( not Canada) making our farmers more profitable
lots and lots of oil to be had for Canada.
sounds like a win win to me.

p.s. what happened to our past amargedon worries like acid rain and ozone layer depletion,


So you only believe the positive predictions?  I guess that's an option.
 
2013-05-05 12:10:23 PM  

js34603: Quantum Apostrophe: Farking Canuck: Quantum Apostrophe: a few decades away from a Space Elevator

Whoa, whoa there Tex. Fark Global Warming ... where are we getting this space elevator stuff from??!? I may still be around in a 'few decades'.

I know, so will I. I can't wait to confront the delusional Space Cadets when all we have is the same sub-orbital tin cans and LEO tin cans as now.

What are you even babbling about? WTF is a Space Cadet? And WTF does it have to do with this article?

Am I being trolled?


It's QA's thing. He (She?) likes to make fun of the people who think manned spaceflight/colonies/etc. is the miracle answers to all our problems. Unfortunately he tends to get into "annoying atheist with a pet grudge against religious people" mode and brings it into any topic even marginally related and thinks anyone with even vague support of manned spaceflight is a "Space nutter." Otherwise somewhat more intelligent than the usual fark "troll" (despite beliefs in some weird stuff) and can make for entertaining discussions about spaceflight if you're willing to overlook his...overzealous nature about it.
 
2013-05-05 12:11:10 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Bah, the species will just move to Mars or something, because technology.


I would be very sad to find someone who actually believes we can terraform Mars and move there (or even just move there) more easily than we can address global warming on Earth.
 
2013-05-05 12:11:44 PM  


www.woodfortrees.org

Conspire FAIL!

 
2013-05-05 12:13:20 PM  

FuturePastNow: Well, if the Pentagon's worried about it, something might get funded by Congress


Nope. But whoever in the Pentagon that wrote the report can expect to have their lives made into a hell by Republicans and the anti climate change crowd now.
 
2013-05-05 12:14:35 PM  

MurphyMurphy: On the plus side, Russia is now probably destitute enough that a war vs Canada over the Artic Sea oil deposits should be quite evenly matched (should the rest of us not jump in).


Yes, but since they couldn't easily win the traditional way, Russia would likely want to use different conflict rules. How long do you think Harper would last against Putin in a cage match? And does either country even have the technology to measure such a short time interval?
 
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