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2013-05-05 02:49:00 PM

Hobodeluxe: so what was the "gravity" of what he did? Beyond his family of course.


despite the hairsplitting about what is is he lied under oath. a sitting president. to me that's a grave offense. that it didn't involve plumbers of WMD by presidents who weren't under oath doesn't excuse it. that is involved consensual sex doesn't excuse it. is it as serious as the other examples? no but you can't give him a pass for that.

i once took a kickback from a contractor. needed the money and he would have got the job anyway. got away with it and it was in new orleans. but it was wrong and i knew it was wrong. do i lose sleep over it? no. do i temper my indignation when others do similar things? somewhat. does any of that excuse what the banks did with the foreclosure mess? hell no.

there is IRL moral relativity.
 
2013-05-05 02:51:55 PM
It's interesting that the derpitards have successfully changed the "scandal" from "OMG they didn't say terrorist fast enough" to "OMG they let Americans die and didn't care"....

disregarding the fact that neither so-called issue can remotely be called a scandal
 
2013-05-05 03:44:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: EvilEgg: 99% of the American public have forgotten everything about Benghazi, except maybe the name.

It is virtually impossible to get people to care at this point.

Yeah, so what an administration lied to the people.  Who gives a shiat.  Why does it matter what happened.  It was so long ago.

When even democrat senators are finally admitting the administration/state lied, it's time to realize that maybe, just maybe, the administration is lying to you.

"It was scrubbed. It was totally inaccurate. There's no excuse for that," House oversight committee member Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) told Fox News. "What they tried to do was harmonize what happened in Benghazi with what happened everywhere across the Middle East."

But who cares the people were lied to.

Sickening that liberals love being lied to.

So I guess the real question to ask is why did the CIA scrub the talking points in the first place?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57550337/cia-talking-points-f or -susan-rice-called-benghazi-attack-spontaneously-inspired-by-protests/


Even then, the only change made by the CIA was the removal of specific names (like al-Qaeda and Ansar-al-Sharia), with the attackers being referred to by the generic term "extremists". This isn't even a "lie", though some Republicans found a way to be butthurt about that too.
 
2013-05-05 03:46:02 PM
How much money and time has been wasted on trying to blame Obama? This is totally fixing the economy and making jobs that the GOP talked about way back when.
 
2013-05-05 03:47:02 PM

Curious: despite the hairsplitting about what is is he lied under oath. a sitting president. to me that's a grave offense.


Why do you say "lied under oath" as though it's supposed to be something meaningful here? You might as well be upset that he "lied to his wife" too.
 
2013-05-05 03:48:27 PM

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.


The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.
 
2013-05-05 03:48:35 PM

Biological Ali: Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: EvilEgg: 99% of the American public have forgotten everything about Benghazi, except maybe the name.

It is virtually impossible to get people to care at this point.

Yeah, so what an administration lied to the people.  Who gives a shiat.  Why does it matter what happened.  It was so long ago.

When even democrat senators are finally admitting the administration/state lied, it's time to realize that maybe, just maybe, the administration is lying to you.

"It was scrubbed. It was totally inaccurate. There's no excuse for that," House oversight committee member Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) told Fox News. "What they tried to do was harmonize what happened in Benghazi with what happened everywhere across the Middle East."

But who cares the people were lied to.

Sickening that liberals love being lied to.

So I guess the real question to ask is why did the CIA scrub the talking points in the first place?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57550337/cia-talking-points-f or -susan-rice-called-benghazi-attack-spontaneously-inspired-by-protests/

Even then, the only change made by the CIA was the removal of specific names (like al-Qaeda and Ansar-al-Sharia), with the attackers being referred to by the generic term "extremists". This isn't even a "lie", though some Republicans found a way to be butthurt about that too.


This is why I am almost convinced that they are actually rooting for the terrorists. They would rather give them what we knew at the time about them, than hiding the info so we can monitor the terrorist movements and make arrests.
 
2013-05-05 03:52:03 PM

studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.


To be fair, it was only recommended that people stay indoors.
 
2013-05-05 03:59:14 PM
Mrtraveler01:

I found a good timeline of the events here (even though it's on the CNN website):

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline


Good link, but even it's not complete, because it does not note how quickly reinforcements from the secondary annex were sent to support the embassy staff withdrawal.
 
2013-05-05 04:00:42 PM

studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.


The guy even nabbed him without an AR-15.
 
2013-05-05 04:01:24 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Funny how the left doesn't give a shiat about terrorists killing Americans unless they are watching a foot race.


I think your troll-once-in-a-while-for-giggles habit is consuming you.
 
2013-05-05 04:11:36 PM

Fart_Machine: studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.

The guy even nabbed him without an AR-15.


To be fair, the guys that actually "nabbed him" (I don't know why this phrase still makes me giggle) were pretty heavily armed. But yeah, no weapons required to find him.
 
2013-05-05 04:16:35 PM
That poor, poor chicken.
www.loupiote.com
 
2013-05-05 04:38:42 PM

Zeppelininthesky: How much money and time has been wasted on trying to blame Obama? This is totally fixing the economy and making jobs that the GOP talked about way back when.


It's at the point now where their base accepts that all of that "jobs and economy" crap is just to attract naive moderates and win elections.  By opposing anything and everything the ni*bong* in the White House does, they are doing everything their constituency expects.  Why risk that by actually proposing something and being accountable for it?
 
2013-05-05 04:52:30 PM
Republican: "Hey, it beats working for a living."
 
2013-05-05 04:57:29 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: 1) Republicans cut funding of X
B) X fails in some way
Potato) Republicans blame Democrats for the failure of X


But to them, it is the Democrats' fault. The Republicans would never had needed to cut the funding if Democrats hadn't previously made it a government task and expense, in which case the most excellent and efficient private sector would have solved the problem.

Never mind that the private sector solution is usually MORE expensive, because someone must profit somewhere.
 
2013-05-05 05:35:19 PM

Curious: TV's Vinnie: The impeachment failed. You're not getting your Bill Clinton trophy head on the wall. Get over it.

i never wanted him impeached. it was a bridge too far for the offense. but it did want him to own up to the gravity of what he did. and i don't think losing his law license in AR is really a big punishment.

but hey it was re-framed as sex and he got off.


backtothetoons.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-05 05:37:20 PM

Biological Ali: Why do you say "lied under oath" as though it's supposed to be something meaningful here?


i think we are having more than one conversation here. in the one about clinton lying the "under oath" part is IMO the deal breaker. he obviously was lying to hillary and had been for years. i didn't care then or now about that part of it. or that he had carnal knowledge of that woman - ms lewinsky.

and as i've stated up thread the "is is" thing is poppycock. he lied. under oath. bad clinton, bad.
 
2013-05-05 05:42:14 PM

studs up: But yeah, no weapons required to find him.


TA DA -- maybe next time they go looking for someone they'll leave the A1M1s home. tone it down a notch.
 
2013-05-05 05:47:11 PM

studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.


It was only after the shelter in place order was lifted that the guy went out to check his boat. That doesn't make the prior search any less necessary. If he had been hiding in a house or had attempted to flee again, they would've caught him. The search didn't find him because he hadn't moved from that boat in almost a day, and if the guy checking his boat hadn't found him right away, he probably would've bled to death there.
 
2013-05-05 05:48:30 PM

Lionel Mandrake: CheapEngineer: Lionel Mandrake: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?

Before New York, when some idiot blew up something the police drove their cars to the bad guy's place, and arrested them. Then they tried them in a public court, convicted them, and sent them to regular jail, where they were treated like crap like the rest of the prison population.

Somehow we endured without tanks and drone strikes and the Patriot Act.

\offa my lawn
\\I'll bet it's probably illegal now for me to wear the onion on my belt, isn't it?

So the cops should have just gone to the Tsarnaevs' place and arrested them?...why didn't they think of that?

/not a fan of the Patriot Act by any means, but come on..."go to their place and arrest them???"


So, locking down Boston was a mild response? Should they have just evacuated Massachusetts, just to be sure? Jesus Christ, anything to justify the multi-millions heaped on local police departments via Homeland Security grants to go after a half-assed bombing?

Hell, at least our home-grown terror types have the common f'ing sense to load up a Ryder truck with fertilizer for a decent BOOM. Four people die, and they shut down the town, and people cower in their basements. I'm not surprised - these are the same idiots that *lost their minds* when some goobers put up little LED signs. In 2010 there were 78 murders alone in Boston - did the city shut down for each of those? I'll bet there were some days when there were 2 or more deaths - is that the trip point for pants-wetting panic?

By all means - be cautious. Stay in your homes, hug your AR-15 tight. Some of us still 1) have a sense of farking *perspective* and 2) refuse to let one lone asshat change their way of life.

\no I don't fly anymore. I'm not scared of terrorists, I can't stand the security BS involved in getting on a goddamned plane
 
2013-05-05 05:56:20 PM

Curious: i think we are having more than one conversation here. in the one about clinton lying the "under oath" part is IMO the deal breaker.


The point is that it's a "grave offense" only in your own mind. In the real world, lying "under oath" is only an issue when it's perjury - which Clinton did not commit. If it's not perjury, then it's about as "grave" an "offense" as lying to your wife (indeed it's even less so, since one's wife could only have a stronger moral claim to the truth of such matters than would complete strangers with a political axe to grind).
 
2013-05-05 06:00:30 PM

CheapEngineer:  Four people die, and they shut down the town, and people cower in their basements.


Yes, amazingly people like their ability to walk and not wind up confined to a wheelchair or a set of prosthetics. Or do all the wounded and maimed not count in our pish-poshing of what happened in Boston?
 
2013-05-05 06:01:32 PM

studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.


Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.
 
2013-05-05 06:02:36 PM

Mugato: MyRandomName: But who cares the people were lied to.

Sickening that liberals love being lied to.

What was the lie again?



Is anyone going to choose to answer this or shut the Goddamned fark up?
 
2013-05-05 06:05:36 PM

Curious: i once took a kickback from a contractor. needed the money and he would have got the job anyway. got away with it and it was in new orleans. but it was wrong and i knew it was wrong. do i lose sleep over it? no. do i temper my indignation when others do similar things? somewhat. does any of that excuse what the banks did with the foreclosure mess? hell no.


You're a corrupt individual and an admitted criminal.

What's next, expecting people to care when a prostitute complains about other peoples morals?
 
2013-05-05 06:07:08 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.


Easy, tiger. Getting his facts wrong doesn't require him to be willfully deceptive. Don't attribute to malevolence what incompetence will cover.
 
2013-05-05 06:14:10 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.

Easy, tiger. Getting his facts wrong doesn't require him to be willfully deceptive. Don't attribute to malevolence what incompetence will cover.


when people repeat something even after being corrected it is no longer incompetence.
( I agree with you on the general comment)
 
2013-05-05 06:17:34 PM

Curious: Biological Ali: Why do you say "lied under oath" as though it's supposed to be something meaningful here?

i think we are having more than one conversation here. in the one about clinton lying the "under oath" part is IMO the deal breaker. he obviously was lying to hillary and had been for years. i didn't care then or now about that part of it. or that he had carnal knowledge of that woman - ms lewinsky.

and as i've stated up thread the "is is" thing is poppycock. he lied. under oath. bad clinton, bad.


and yet, still a better president than Reagan.
 
2013-05-05 06:35:20 PM

ghare: MFK: Ok, So correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm seriously trying to understand why the Republicans are so butthurt.

This is how I understand it:

* Attack on embassy
* Administration initially says it was because of riots over youtube video because that was happening in 2 or 3 other counties at the exact same time
* More info emerges over the next few days and administration says "this looks like it was actually a terrorist attack"
* Republicans: "Why didn't you say it was terrorism on day 1? OMGIMPEACH!!!1!11"

Am I missing anything?

Obama has BLACK CHILDREN!


The narrative about it being a popular protest was a fiction created by the Obama administration.  Incompetents in the State Department were unprepared, failed to act on information provided to them, failed to provide proper security for a U.S. ambassador who was deliberately murdere by terrorists, a fact that was apparently obvious to everyone except for the president, Secretary of State, and Susan Rice.

If you can just make those facts go away then Bengazi will go away.  Heck, the press might even agree that "Bengazi was a long time ago" in the time it will take to erase the incompetence of our current state department.
 
2013-05-05 06:41:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: studs up: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

The best part of this was the fact that the douchebag was eventually found by a guy that decided that being told to stay indoors was stupid and walked outside for 5 minutes. All the king's horses missed him and didn't believe that an alert citizenry would be helpful. Perhaps, just perhaps, the govt as the sole protector is a little over-rated.
I'm sure I'll get hammered for this.

Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the  order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.


Stop lying. There was no order. Everyone keeps telling me it was a suggestion/request. Could he have been arrested and convicted if he was caught outside before that?

Anyway, I see the point about him finding the little murderous douche AFTER the "order" was lifted. Sorry I didn't have my official timeline on hand. Regardless, the idea being, an alert citizenry was the solution, not a hindrance. Want to split hairs? Fine, take an axe to a bunny and make yourself feel better about missing the point.

Also, you must have me mixed up with someone else if you think I keep repeating this and have been corrected. It's the first time I wrote anything about it.
Big Smile
Big Smile
 
2013-05-05 06:50:40 PM

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.


www.pbs.org
It's not too different from the one I remember
(Detroit, 1967, post-riots)

[I wasn't in Detroit--I grew up in L.A. in 1967--but I remember these pictures too]
 
2013-05-05 06:56:50 PM

Animatronik: The narrative about it being a popular protest was a fiction created by the Obama administration.


What difference would it make if it was an attack because of that video or if it was a certified TerrorTMattack? What difference does it make and how is any of that a lie?
 
2013-05-05 07:02:20 PM

Animatronik: The narrative about it being a popular protest was a fiction created by the Obama administration.


And, you know, there couldn't have been similar protests happening in half a dozen other Middle Eastern countries at the exact same time.
At best, correlation does not equal causation. At worst, you're a moron.

Animatronik: If you can just make those facts paranoid delusions go away then Bengazi will go away.


FTFY
Did you hear? Obama may not be a U.S. citizen. He might have been born in Kenya.
 
2013-05-05 07:07:20 PM

Mugato: Animatronik: The narrative about it being a popular protest was a fiction created by the Obama administration.

What difference would it make if it was an attack because of that video or if it was a certified TerrorTMattack? What difference does it make and how is any of that a lie?


IT JUST DOES!!! How many times do we have to explain it to you?!? It wasn't a popular protest, and they said it was and they lied so obviously it's a SCANDAL!!!! BECAUSE!!! Do we have to stomp our feet to make our point any plainer or will you just accept our yelling and waving our arms!
 
2013-05-05 07:07:41 PM

Biological Ali: lying "under oath" is only an issue when it's perjury - which Clinton did not commit.

On April 12, 1999, Wright found Clinton in contempt of court for "intentionally false" testimony in Jones v. Clinton, fined him $90,000, and referred the case to the AR Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct, as Clinton still possessed a law license in Arkansas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones

perjury =/= intentionally false in a legal dictionary but he isn't going to sleep with you. this seems all too often to be folks who like clinton defending him regardless against folks like me who think he farked up and brought shame on the office.

jcooli09: and yet, still a better president than Reagan.


no doubt about that but the bar isn't very high there. that iran contra wasn't the scandal it should have been and reached Reagan and/or that Ollie North is walking around with folks praising him is disgusting.

do we really wonder why Bushco thought they could get away with the shiat they got away with.

i'm out, it's been real -- interesting :)
 
2013-05-05 07:33:37 PM

Animatronik: ghare: MFK: Ok, So correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm seriously trying to understand why the Republicans are so butthurt.

This is how I understand it:

* Attack on embassy
* Administration initially says it was because of riots over youtube video because that was happening in 2 or 3 other counties at the exact same time
* More info emerges over the next few days and administration says "this looks like it was actually a terrorist attack"
* Republicans: "Why didn't you say it was terrorism on day 1? OMGIMPEACH!!!1!11"

Am I missing anything?

Obama has BLACK CHILDREN!

The narrative about it being a popular protest was a fiction created by the Obama administration.  Incompetents in the State Department were unprepared, failed to act on information provided to them, failed to provide proper security for a U.S. ambassador who was deliberately murdere by terrorists, a fact that was apparently obvious to everyone except for the president, Secretary of State, and Susan Rice.

If you can just make those facts go away then Bengazi will go away.  Heck, the press might even agree that "Bengazi was a long time ago" in the time it will take to erase the incompetence of our current state department.


So maybe you can tell me why the talking points the CIA handed to the Obama Administration omitted any references to terrorism?
 
2013-05-05 07:34:22 PM

Curious: On April 12, 1999, Wright found Clinton in contempt of court for "intentionally false" testimony in Jones v. Clinton, fined him $90,000, and referred the case to the AR Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct, as Clinton still possessed a law license in Arkansas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones

perjury =/= intentionally false in a legal dictionary but he isn't going to sleep with you. this seems all too often to be folks who like clinton defending him regardless against folks like me who think he farked up and brought shame on the office.


You're either not following your own point, or you haven't understood the issue I'm taking with what you said. I was merely speaking to your ridiculous and melodramatic characterization of the generic act of "lying under oath" as a "grave offense", when it clearly isn't anything of the sort (by legal as well as moral/ethical standards), along with the suggestion Clinton somehow wasn't sufficiently punished for it.
 
2013-05-05 07:55:17 PM
@Curious since for some reason it won't let me quote:

Would you please knock it off with the "WHAT HAPPENED IN BOSTON WAS NOTHING BUT A GOVERNMENT ATTACK ON OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!!" and "Hurr hurr a civilain found him, all of that armor and raping the neighborhood was pointless!" idiocy? Did you forget about the dangerous murderers they were chasing who had already shown they had no compunctions about harming and killing others (for fark's sake, the surviving guy ran over his own brother trying to run over two police officers, and this was after they shot and killed another officer)? Or about all of the bombs the guy tossed around while on the run? I call all of the armor and searching "intelligent precautions", not "government crushing the Constitution".

It's really sad how people like you conveniently forget about all of that in order to make your conspiracy theories work, as well as your insistence that people were rounded up and held at gunpoint in their yards while their houses were ransacked and anyone who was outside was harassed and arrested. And a civilian found him, whoopty doo, that doesn't mean the search was pointless. Would you rather they just throw up their hands and walk away and forget about the killer? "But what about all the other times someone did something and they didn't do this?"? This wasn't those other times, stop trying to say that everything should be done only one way every day.

At this point it feels like you people are trying to side with the bombers
 
2013-05-05 08:04:31 PM
Fox News Sunday asked a Republican congressman "who has been intimidated?".  Crickets.....
 
2013-05-05 08:06:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.

Easy, tiger. Getting his facts wrong doesn't require him to be willfully deceptive. Don't attribute to malevolence what incompetence will cover.

when people repeat something even after being corrected it is no longer incompetence.
( I agree with you on the general comment)


This is exactly what you do at this point. We correct you and you keep spewing out bullshiat.
 
2013-05-05 08:22:09 PM

Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, you should get hammered since you a farking lying about what happened.

He went outside after the order was lifted.
He went outside to smoke since his wife doesn't let him smoke inside.

Stop lying.

Easy, tiger. Getting his facts wrong doesn't require him to be willfully deceptive. Don't attribute to malevolence what incompetence will cover.

when people repeat something even after being corrected it is no longer incompetence.
( I agree with you on the general comment)

This is exactly what you do at this point. We correct you and you keep spewing out bullshiat.


Ironic, isn't it.
 
2013-05-05 09:05:31 PM
Subby misspelled "tab" and didn't notice that we already have one of those, labeled "politics"
 
2013-05-05 09:27:53 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: @Curious since for some reason it won't let me quote:

Would you please knock it off with the "WHAT HAPPENED IN BOSTON WAS NOTHING BUT A GOVERNMENT ATTACK ON OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!!" and "Hurr hurr a civilain found him, all of that armor and raping the neighborhood was pointless!" idiocy? Did you forget about the dangerous murderers they were chasing who had already shown they had no compunctions about harming and killing others (for fark's sake, the surviving guy ran over his own brother trying to run over two police officers, and this was after they shot and killed another officer)? Or about all of the bombs the guy tossed around while on the run? I call all of the armor and searching "intelligent precautions", not "government crushing the Constitution".

It's really sad how people like you conveniently forget about all of that in order to make your conspiracy theories work, as well as your insistence that people were rounded up and held at gunpoint in their yards while their houses were ransacked and anyone who was outside was harassed and arrested. And a civilian found him, whoopty doo, that doesn't mean the search was pointless. Would you rather they just throw up their hands and walk away and forget about the killer? "But what about all the other times someone did something and they didn't do this?"? This wasn't those other times, stop trying to say that everything should be done only one way every day.

At this point it feels like you people are trying to side with the bombers


Keizer, you need to give up at this point, it's not good for your blood pressure. People like this are bound & determined to convince everyone that this is the Evil Government at Work (the lefty version of the right-wing black helicopter theory), and they HAVE to believe it. They HAVE to believe that, if it had been them in Boston on that day, less than a week after a bomb killed three and maimed over a hundred, less than ten hours after two possible killers got into a running gun battle with cops that involved IEDs being flung from cars like soda cans--THEY would not have been afraid when they learned one of the killers was likely hiding in their neighborhood. THEY would have refused directives from the mayor of Boston to shelter in place because CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. THEY would have told the police who came to their door "No, I'm sorry, my rights are far more important than my personal safety. You come back with a warrant, and I will search my home for this possibly armed and probably dangerous killer by myself."

They HAVE to believe this, and furthermore, they HAVE to believe that if they had done so, the cops would have kicked in their doors anyway and rummaged their homes because they are so evil. They similarly believe that if everyone had only done the same thing, the police would have meekly gone away, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would still have been found by a homeowner who would have had no reason to go look in his boat because there would have been no elevated level of awareness and no increased suspicion when he saw the disturbed boat cover.

In reality, if the mayor had not ordered the shelter-in-place and the search, and if people had not complied, what would have happened is: People would have gone about their daily business, the boat owner would have had no reason to even glance at his boat because why would he, and Tsarnaev might well have escaped and gotten home or to a friend's house--or he might have died of his injuries in the boat and been found days later, which is gross. But telling people that will never convince them that the cops trampled our rights that day BECAUSE!
 
2013-05-05 09:46:26 PM
How come Hussein Obama is still refusing to bring any Muslims to justice for the Benghazi attacks? He has only brought one Coptic Christian to justice for posting a youtube video.
 
2013-05-05 10:07:41 PM

Gyrfalcon: Keizer, you need to give up at this point, it's not good for your blood pressure. People like this are bound & determined to convince everyone that this is the Evil Government at Work (the lefty version of the right-wing black helicopter theory), and they HAVE to believe it. They HAVE to believe that, if it had been them in Boston on that day, less than a week after a bomb killed three and maimed over a hundred, less than ten hours after two possible killers got into a running gun battle with cops that involved IEDs being flung from cars like soda cans--THEY would not have been afraid when they learned one of the killers was likely hiding in their neighborhood. THEY would have refused directives from the mayor of Boston to shelter in place because CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. THEY would have told the police who came to their door "No, I'm sorry, my rights are far more important than my personal safety. You come back with a warrant, and I will search my home for this possibly armed and probably dangerous killer by myself."

They HAVE to believe this, and furthermore, they HAVE to believe that if they had done so, the cops would have kicked in their doors anyway and rummaged their homes because they are so evil. They similarly believe that if everyone had only done the same thing, the police would have meekly gone away, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would still have been found by a homeowner who would have had no reason to go look in his boat because there would have been no elevated level of awareness and no increased suspicion when he saw the disturbed boat cover.

In reality, if the mayor had not ordered the shelter-in-place and the search, and if people had not complied, what would have happened is: People would have gone about their daily business, the boat owner would have had no reason to even glance at his boat because why would he, and Tsarnaev might well have escaped and gotten home or to a friend's house--or he might have died of his injuries in the boat and been found d ...


I know, it's a lost cause with these Chicken Littles, but it's still best to counter and point out their stupidity because letting them say it unchallenged will make more people believe them. And maybe, just maybe, you might break through their shell of paranoia and show them the light of reality.
 
2013-05-05 10:11:56 PM

Noam Chimpsky: How come Hussein Obama is still refusing to bring any Muslims to justice for the Benghazi attacks? He has only brought one Coptic Christian to justice for posting a youtube video.


How come you keep trying to use that bullshiat talking point that's a complete lie?
 
2013-05-05 10:29:15 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Noam Chimpsky: How come Hussein Obama is still refusing to bring any Muslims to justice for the Benghazi attacks? He has only brought one Coptic Christian to justice for posting a youtube video.

How come you keep trying to use that bullshiat talking point that's a complete lie?


I keep asking the question because I haven't received a satisfactory answer.
 
2013-05-05 10:53:28 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Keizer_Ghidorah: Noam Chimpsky: How come Hussein Obama is still refusing to bring any Muslims to justice for the Benghazi attacks? He has only brought one Coptic Christian to justice for posting a youtube video.

How come you keep trying to use that bullshiat talking point that's a complete lie?

I keep asking the question because I haven't received a satisfactory answer.


Because the question you ask is a completely debunked talking point.
 
2013-05-05 10:55:25 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: CheapEngineer:  Four people die, and they shut down the town, and people cower in their basements.

Yes, amazingly people like their ability to walk and not wind up confined to a wheelchair or a set of prosthetics. Or do all the wounded and maimed not count in our pish-poshing of what happened in Boston?


Did you really believe that there was a planned spree? Seriously - after seeing the video of the explosion 350 times on TV, did anyone really think there was a large Al Queda cell blanketing the town, ready to fire off another mystery explosion as soon as more that 6 people went outside? What kind of ego do people have to believe that they're a foreign terrorism target? Why would Al Queda give a rats ass about a marathon? Doesn't Occam's Razor lead you to believe that it was more likely some local numbnuts with a grudge against *anyone he could find*? I guess not, not since The World Changed on 9/11, right? I guess there will be no rest until some link with Islam or some random religious figure is found or fabricated on these two to justify the froth and panic of the last 12 years. Since they come from *one of those countries*, it's a slam dunk, right?

I don't live in Boston, so I don't know how people react there. I don't remember Boston being a hotbed of terrorist activity, so I can't imagine people there being concerned about much afterward except not getting in the middle of a firefight between whoever did this and a large group of police. Lord knows they showed plenty of long-distance chase scenes all day long there.

The who idea of terrorism is to make you panic, cower in your homes and change the way you live.

Have a very small number of events (which are responded to in a spectacular way) manage to make Americans into complete candy-asses? Or do they believe all the politicians who spend all their time pointing out Boogeymen, so they can say how badly Leader X is *failing* to protect you from Boogeyman?

I guess so.

\btw, thanks for the "Or do all the wounded and maimed not count in our pish-poshing of what happened in Boston?  Well Done. I guess this is all my fault, for not panicking with everyone else
\\But since the obvious seems to need spelling out for you, I'll say the obvious - *it's bad what happened to those people*.
\\\Do we have to compound the damage by requiring everyone else to shiat themselves when they see a Boom on TV?
 
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