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2013-05-05 12:21:29 PM  

Raharu: Lets take a look as see what conservatives think about this.


Stilton Jarlsberg? Stilton Jarlsberg!?!?
 
2013-05-05 12:25:27 PM  

Curious: TV's Vinnie: just because Bil was a man who didn't want his wife to know that he played on the side.

that Bill was able to frame it as that is what saved him. the man lied under oath. worse he was a sitting president. presidents shouldn't get a pass for lying under oath, period.


Presidents shouldn't have to answer questions about who they are getting blowjobs from.
 
2013-05-05 12:25:41 PM  
They're hoping to find a Lewinsky. Remember in the Clinton years how they kept going on fishing expedition after fishing expedition and turning up pretty much nothing? But eventually they discovered President Horndog acting like a horndog and took it all the way to impeachment (yes, I know it was the lies about the blowjob, not the blowjob itself that they claim was so bad). Now they have Barak who seems as likely to cheat on his wife as the GOP is likely to not put their party's interests ahead of those of the nation. They need an excuse to keep digging around in hopes of eventually finding something that will get the non-Fox watching public's attention. Fast and Furious went absolutely nowhere so Benghazi is the only thing they have now to "investigate".
 
2013-05-05 12:31:10 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?


assets.nydailynews.com

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.
 
2013-05-05 12:37:26 PM  

born_yesterday: MFK: Ok, So correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm seriously trying to understand why the Republicans are so butthurt.

This is how I understand it:

* Attack on embassy
* Administration initially says it was because of riots over youtube video because that was happening in 2 or 3 other counties at the exact same time
* More info emerges over the next few days and administration says "this looks like it was actually a terrorist attack"
* Republicans: "Why didn't you say it was terrorism on day 1? OMGIMPEACH!!!1!11"

Am I missing anything?

I don't live in his state, but isn't Graham facing running against a Teabagger?   People have mentioned that here as his motivation for going strong DERP.  So, Republicans shouldn't be afforded even the courtesy of the pretense of giving a damn about the motives of the attackers or the loss of life.  It's all a political stunt to appeal to the 'baggers.  That is truly sickening.


I don't Graham is playing to the derpers out of any fear of a primary. The guy is pretty smart and knows his base very well. You need 3 things to be elected in SC 1) Republican 2)anti-abortion 3)strong on defense. The 3rd one will push you over the top. Between the large population of "'mercia fark yeah" rednecks and a very large active military population you almost can't lose. Lindey Graham is the perfect senator to be the face of this nonsense. There is literally zero chance of him getting any political blowback and actually cements that seat for the republicans forever.
 
2013-05-05 12:38:08 PM  

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.


In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?
 
2013-05-05 12:41:26 PM  
In its characteristically understated way, the Monitor explains exactly how and why this issue is important:

The questions about the Benghazi attack were politically important last year, as President Obama was seeking reelection. And they are relevant today, not least because the secretary of State at the time, Hillary Rodham Clinton, is viewed by pundits as a hard-to-beat contender for the 2016 Democratic nomination for president.

Any attempt to describe the Republicans fixation on the Benghazi attack as anything other than an attempt to use it as a political lever is misguided. It would be difficult to find an instance in the last five years where an issue taken up by the Republicans was not wholly politically motivated, and the issue of Benghazi is not the unique example of non-partisan concern some would have you believe.
 
2013-05-05 12:42:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Presidents shouldn't have to answer questions about who they are getting blowjobs from.


true but if asked they should answer truthfully. hell i'm sympathetic to him getting some on the side. the stories of the late night phones calls and the book gift strike a chord in me.

but damn that lying under oath just ain't right.
 
2013-05-05 12:44:30 PM  

bronyaur1: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how the left doesn't give a shiat about terrorists killing Americans unless they are watching a foot race.

Funny how the right didn't care about embassy murders until the President was a black guy Democrat.


Let's not make this about race, it's all about the party of the guy in office.

GOP Motto: Party before Country.
 
2013-05-05 12:48:17 PM  
"Not this shiat again" tag would also be great for anything having to do with Trayvon Martin and gun debates.
 
2013-05-05 12:49:42 PM  
Darrell Issa said when he was running that he would investigate the Obama administration 24/7/365 if they had done something or not. It's pretty hard to take someone who has said this seriously.
 
2013-05-05 12:51:27 PM  

randomjsa: In today's episode of "If this was Bush...", liberals would be screaming about 10x louder about it than conservatives are given the fact that it's Obama.

I say this because would be at least the third or fourth thing that qualifies as "Makes that whole Valarie Plame case look like nothing by comparison" and liberals were far more outraged by that than the conservatives are over Benghazi.

We now know for a fact that the Obama administration lied to the American people. You can pretend it was for some wholesome purpose all you want but you're not that stupid, you're really not. You've been trying to hang a vague memo around Bush's neck for over a decade now concerning the 9/11 attacks but you'll be damned before you hold this administration responsible for highly specific "need more security" requests and that's damning on a whole new level when you consider that not only was the security not provided... It was reduced.

Given all of that it becomes crystal clear why precisely this administration lied about it. There was an election coming up and this story had to be buried fast. If Romney had been president and Obama was running against him, the press would have used Benghazi to utterly destroy Romney and you know it.


*yawn*
 
2013-05-05 12:51:29 PM  

Corvus: Darrell Issa said when he was running that he would investigate the Obama administration 24/7/365 if they had done something or not. It's pretty hard to take someone who has said this seriously.


He needs a new hobby.

Or to just get laid.
 
2013-05-05 12:51:51 PM  

Mugato: Smoking GNU: tenpoundsofcheese: MFK: Ok, So correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm seriously trying to understand why the Republicans are so butthurt.

This is how I understand it:

* Attack on embassy
* Administration initially says it was because of riots over youtube video because that was happening in 2 or 3 other counties at the exact same time
* More info emerges over the next few days and administration says "this looks like it was actually a terrorist attack"
* Republicans: "Why didn't you say it was terrorism on day 1? OMGIMPEACH!!!1!11"

Am I missing anything?

yes.  a lot.

We're waiting

Don't encourage him.


it's ok. he never has anything to back up what he says.
 
2013-05-05 12:53:05 PM  

Curious: true but if asked they should answer truthfully. hell i'm sympathetic to him getting some on the side. the stories of the late night phones calls and the book gift strike a chord in me.

but damn that lying under oath just ain't right.


He didn't really lie though, per the transcripts. He took the definition of "sexual relations" presented to him - bent them to the breaking point - and answered within the letter of the law given to him. They had a pretty dumb checklist of what constituted sex in the deposition, so he could technically be getting blown to the moon and not really having "sexual relations." Granted he did later lie to the country in his televised speech, but he never technically lied under oath.
 
2013-05-05 12:54:08 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?


in the norman rockwell America i grew up in the wars were Korea, Vietnam, real wars with poorly defined goals and crappy non endings.

asymmetrical warfare has different soldiers, different goals and different tactics. OTOH the "well if ___ then the terrorist have won" meme is all too real. and that picture is a IMO good example of them winning. an armored APC with a dozen cops in full swat gear for ONE guy. a guy who was hiding in a boat.
 
2013-05-05 12:55:37 PM  

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?

in the norman rockwell America i grew up in the wars were Korea, Vietnam, real wars with poorly defined goals and crappy non endings.

asymmetrical warfare has different soldiers, different goals and different tactics. OTOH the "well if ___ then the terrorist have won" meme is all too real. and that picture is a IMO good example of them winning. an armored APC with a dozen cops in full swat gear for ONE guy. a guy who was hiding in a boat.


I would like to live in the fairy tale world where the cops have access to your perfect hindsight before anything actually happens.
 
2013-05-05 01:00:03 PM  

Mrbogey: CheapEngineer: Well, it's done a great job of making Robo Cheney and his pals damn rich. Wasn't that the intent?

While you're picking apart each hour and minute of Obama's response to that embassy attack, how about someone digging into the GW Bush Presidential library archives and getting a nice timeline for who did what and when for the *several* times this happened to his administration? You know, for a fair comparison? I mean, if he was such a leader (and foreign policy genius) it should be elementary to lay out the timeline of how G-Dub whomped the decisionating on similar events! Teach that Chicago Liberal a thing or two 'bout bein the Decider, amirite?

Surely you'd have no problem, after all this time for the public to look over the previous administration with the same magnifying glass you insist on using today.

\$5 says at least half of 'em Cheney didn't tell him about till later in the week
\\if he told him at all
\\\which would explain that blank look on his face when the public raised hell over "his policies"

You're such a caricature of a paranoid Democrat that I'd venture this is an attempt at a Poe's Law.


So, then the Magnifying Lens of Truth only works on Democrats?

I'd like to have a better idea of what happened myself. But I have to wonder how important the Truth is to you when it's someone *you* approve of.

Seriously, if *anyone* could do better then how about some examples. Let go of your dick for a second and spit one out, eh?

\it's much more entertaining to rag on "liberals" and "Demo-crats" then to actually answer the farking question, isn't it?
 
2013-05-05 01:00:13 PM  
Fark contemplates introduction of a "Not This Shiat Again" tag

Fark could definitely use a "If we ignore it long enough, maybe it'll go away" tag.
 
2013-05-05 01:02:20 PM  

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?

in the norman rockwell America i grew up in the wars were Korea, Vietnam, real wars with poorly defined goals and crappy non endings.

asymmetrical warfare has different soldiers, different goals and different tactics. OTOH the "well if ___ then the terrorist have won" meme is all too real. and that picture is a IMO good example of them winning. an armored APC with a dozen cops in full swat gear for ONE guy. a guy who was hiding in a boat.


And how were they supposed to know it was one guy and where he was?

I'm not saying I like it, but I'm not going to Monday-morning quarterback the situation either.
 
2013-05-05 01:03:52 PM  

jjorsett: Fark contemplates introduction of a "Not This Shiat Again" tag

Fark could definitely use a "If we ignore it long enough, maybe it'll go away" tag.


Yes, we should focus instead on why the CIA edited the talking points that were handed to the Obama Administration in the first place.
 
2013-05-05 01:05:36 PM  

jjorsett: Fark contemplates introduction of a "Not This Shiat Again" tag

Fark could definitely use a "If we ignore it long enough, maybe it'll go away" tag.


Or a "if we whine enough, maybe our ODS will become contagious" tag.
 
2013-05-05 01:06:13 PM  
NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:  I would like to live in the fairy tale world where the cops have access to your perfect hindsight before anything actually happens.

qph.is.quoracdn.net

i would like to live in a world where this doesn't happen. thank god the two ladies in that truck weren't killed. yes two women not one man in a completely different make, model and color truck had their truck shot to shiat by hair trigger police. if that's a fairy tale world were that doesn't happen let me in.
 
2013-05-05 01:07:52 PM  
And all it will find is that Pres. Clinton got a beej in the Oval Office? The GOP needs another super-Starr!
 
2013-05-05 01:09:15 PM  

Curious: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:  I would like to live in the fairy tale world where the cops have access to your perfect hindsight before anything actually happens.

[qph.is.quoracdn.net image 485x281]

i would like to live in a world where this doesn't happen. thank god the two ladies in that truck weren't killed. yes two women not one man in a completely different make, model and color truck had their truck shot to shiat by hair trigger police. if that's a fairy tale world were that doesn't happen let me in.


holy shiat, did you all see that?  The goalposts moved all the way across the fuggin' COUNTRY in 3.7 seconds!
 
2013-05-05 01:09:20 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: but he never technically lied under oath.


i won't split that hair with you. i expect more from my presidents. and if you use being aware of them my presidents start with Ike.

so yeah from Ike on i've been a little to a lot disappointed :)
 
2013-05-05 01:09:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?


Before New York, when some idiot blew up something the police drove their cars to the bad guy's place, and arrested them. Then they tried them in a public court, convicted them, and sent them to regular jail, where they were treated like crap like the rest of the prison population.

Somehow we endured without tanks and drone strikes and the Patriot Act.

\offa my lawn
\\I'll bet it's probably illegal now for me to wear the onion on my belt, isn't it?
 
2013-05-05 01:17:28 PM  
Seven American citizens were killed by terrorists in Afghanistan yesterday.
 
2013-05-05 01:18:35 PM  

CheapEngineer: Before New York, when some idiot blew up something the police drove their cars to the bad guy's place, and arrested them. Then they tried them in a public court, convicted them, and sent them to regular jail, where they were treated like crap like the rest of the prison population.


So...you were in a coma from...say....1967-2001?  Glad you recovered.
 
2013-05-05 01:18:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: And how were they supposed to know it was one guy and where he was?

I'm not saying I like it, but I'm not going to Monday-morning quarterback the situation either.


from the earlier gun fight. look my biatch is with current tactics. the militarization of the police. the rolling everybody into DHS. sure some of that makes sense but, again, IMO we have gone overboard on the gung ho rah rah shiat. to all our detriment. it's not just this that i'm monday morning QBing. it's the "war on terror" tm
 
2013-05-05 01:20:17 PM  

CheapEngineer: Lionel Mandrake: Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

In the America you grew up in, did they just ask terrorists nicely to come out of hiding?

Before New York, when some idiot blew up something the police drove their cars to the bad guy's place, and arrested them. Then they tried them in a public court, convicted them, and sent them to regular jail, where they were treated like crap like the rest of the prison population.

Somehow we endured without tanks and drone strikes and the Patriot Act.

\offa my lawn
\\I'll bet it's probably illegal now for me to wear the onion on my belt, isn't it?


So the cops should have just gone to the Tsarnaevs' place and arrested them?...why didn't they think of that?

/not a fan of the Patriot Act by any means, but come on..."go to their place and arrest them???"
 
2013-05-05 01:21:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Funny how the right doesn't give a shiat about terrorists killing Americans unless there's a Democrat in office

did you miss the reaction to 9/11?

(check your old newspapers, a lot of things happened back then).


But did they jump Bush's ass for ignoring that PDB?
 
2013-05-05 01:25:52 PM  

MyRandomName: But who cares the people were lied to.

Sickening that liberals love being lied to.


What was the lie again?
 
2013-05-05 01:27:05 PM  

Curious: make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.


ORLY?

occupycolleges.org

media-3.web.britannica.com

external.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-05 01:27:58 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: holy shiat, did you all see that? The goalposts moved all the way across the fuggin' COUNTRY in 3.7 seconds!


the mind set is what made that shooting happen. and how many rounds in Watertown? 200 plus.

when the military went to the .223 round so the troops could carry more then more rounds got shot. spray  and pray is real. it happens on the streets as much as in iraq and afghanistan.

you probably aren't defending police over reaction but it happens. and it happens a lot. and it shouldn't.
 
2013-05-05 01:30:21 PM  
The most educational aspect of this thread was in seeing several rednames who've been keeping a fairly low profile have decided to go all-in with the Benghazi conspiracy.

I dunno if its just they have nothing left of anti-Obama value to cling to or if they are this terrified of Hillary 2016.
 
2013-05-05 01:32:30 PM  

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: And how were they supposed to know it was one guy and where he was?

I'm not saying I like it, but I'm not going to Monday-morning quarterback the situation either.

from the earlier gun fight. look my biatch is with current tactics. the militarization of the police. the rolling everybody into DHS. sure some of that makes sense but, again, IMO we have gone overboard on the gung ho rah rah shiat. to all our detriment. it's not just this that i'm monday morning QBing. it's the "war on terror" tm


Well, I don't disagree there.  That shiat's pretty easy to accomplish when politicians see instilling fear into voters and then promising to act tough as a way to get elected.  Too many Americans are too quick to wet their pants.  And it doesn't help that so many "pundits" get rich from peddling fear of an imminent Armageddon, with guns and gold as the only hope for saving western civilization.
 
2013-05-05 01:36:40 PM  

BMulligan: Curious: make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.

ORLY?

[occupycolleges.org image 550x365]

[media-3.web.britannica.com image 550x421]

[external.ak.fbcdn.net image 720x441]


yeah there were farked up things happening. btw the soldiers at kent state killed 4 students by shooting semi auto rifles and pistols. look how much better today's troops and cops could do with M16s !!!
 
2013-05-05 01:46:13 PM  

bronyaur1: jehovahs witness protection: Funny how the left doesn't give a shiat about terrorists killing Americans unless they are watching a foot race.

Funny how the right didn't care about embassy murders until the President was a black guy.


And we're done here.

This is a colossal waste of time and money.
 
2013-05-05 02:00:25 PM  

Curious: TV's Vinnie: just because Bil was a man who didn't want his wife to know that he played on the side.
that Bill was able to frame it as that is what saved him. the man lied under oath. worse he was a sitting president. presidents shouldn't get a pass for lying under oath, period.



You're willing to support the upheaval of the entire US Government, just because some guy had denied that he was having an affair???

The impeachment failed. You're not getting your Bill Clinton trophy head on the wall. Get over it.
 
2013-05-05 02:18:40 PM  

Curious: Lionel Mandrake: Oh, that's happening, all right...didn't you see the Nazi thugs roaming the streets of Boston crashing down doors without warrants after the "terrorist" bombings?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x443]

make fun all you want that isn't the America i grew up in.


sure it was. only it was black people in the 60's being beaten by Gov Wallace's and Maddox's jackboots.
or students being shot for being anti Vietnam war.
 
2013-05-05 02:19:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: You're willing to support the upheaval of the entire US Government, just because some guy had denied that he was having an affair???


I guess lying about Iraqi mushroom clouds is OK, because it wasn't under oath.

Denying a beej is an unforgivable violation of the public trust.  Oath!  OATH!!
 
2013-05-05 02:20:50 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mugato: Apocalyptic Inferno: The other thing about 'did Obama say this was a terrorist attack fast enough' is that I don't think this was a "terrorist" attack, at least in the sense that I would use the word.  This was an act of war on a military and political target, not an attack against civilians or an attack otherwise intended to "terrify" a populace.

The media calls every act of violence a "terrorist" attack. The Batman theater shooting was called a terrorist attack. The word has no meaning anymore.

an act of war? so these attackers represent a state? a governing body of a territory?


Act of war, military attack, whichever you want to use.  Also, you don't have to represent a government to be at war with someone.  The only two choices cannot be war or terrorism.  Terrorism has a specific meaning, and this was not terrorism.  You can call what you want, rebellious act, insurgency attack, etc, but it doesn't fit with the definition of terrorism.
 
2013-05-05 02:28:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: TV's Vinnie: You're willing to support the upheaval of the entire US Government, just because some guy had denied that he was having an affair???

I guess lying about Iraqi mushroom clouds is OK, because it wasn't under oath.

Denying a beej is an unforgivable violation of the public trust.  Oath!  OATH!!


they knew Iraq was developing nukes.
they had the aluminum tubes.
the yellowcake from Niger
the mobile biological labs
ties to AQ

all of it lies.

they outed a CIA front company as reprisal for whistleblowing
they gave up on bin Laden because they weren't as concerned about him as they were those Iraqi oil contracts.
they tried rigging elections by bringing bullshiat charges against candidates just before an election and fired US attorneys that wouldn't play their game.
they tried to give the social security nest egg to Wall street just before the crash

they lied when they said "we don't torture"
they spied on Americans without warrants. bypassing the FISA courts.
Abu Gharib,Gitmo,legal limbo


and they are SO "concerned" about what Rice knew about Benghazi before appearing on a tv show?

*spit*
 
2013-05-05 02:29:31 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The impeachment failed. You're not getting your Bill Clinton trophy head on the wall. Get over it.


i never wanted him impeached. it was a bridge too far for the offense. but it did want him to own up to the gravity of what he did. and i don't think losing his law license in AR is really a big punishment.

but hey it was re-framed as sex and he got off.
 
2013-05-05 02:32:52 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Hobodeluxe: Mugato: Apocalyptic Inferno: The other thing about 'did Obama say this was a terrorist attack fast enough' is that I don't think this was a "terrorist" attack, at least in the sense that I would use the word.  This was an act of war on a military and political target, not an attack against civilians or an attack otherwise intended to "terrify" a populace.

The media calls every act of violence a "terrorist" attack. The Batman theater shooting was called a terrorist attack. The word has no meaning anymore.

an act of war? so these attackers represent a state? a governing body of a territory?

Act of war, military attack, whichever you want to use.  Also, you don't have to represent a government to be at war with someone.  The only two choices cannot be war or terrorism.  Terrorism has a specific meaning, and this was not terrorism.  You can call what you want, rebellious act, insurgency attack, etc, but it doesn't fit with the definition of terrorism.


sure it does. it was an act of violence meant to have a political impact.
 
2013-05-05 02:35:11 PM  

Curious: TV's Vinnie: The impeachment failed. You're not getting your Bill Clinton trophy head on the wall. Get over it.

i never wanted him impeached. it was a bridge too far for the offense. but it did want him to own up to the gravity of what he did. and i don't think losing his law license in AR is really a big punishment.

but hey it was re-framed as sex and he got off.


so what was the "gravity" of what he did? Beyond his family of course.
 
2013-05-05 02:35:33 PM  

Hobodeluxe: and they are SO "concerned" about what Rice knew about Benghazi before appearing on a tv show?


and the answer to why i am no longer a republican is ..... ^^^^^

and yeah i'm still annoyed at clinton but damn if bushco didn't surpass him by several orders of magnitude. and with far worse results for so many.
 
2013-05-05 02:43:58 PM  

Curious: TV's Vinnie: The impeachment failed. You're not getting your Bill Clinton trophy head on the wall. Get over it.

i never wanted him impeached. it was a bridge too far for the offense. but it did want him to own up to the gravity of what he did. and i don't think losing his law license in AR is really a big punishment.

but hey it was re-framed as sex and he got off.


The proper framing is: the GOP was more concerned with "getting" Clinton than they were with anything else.

And that makes lying about an affair pretty fkn small potatoes, oath or no oath.
 
2013-05-05 02:45:21 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Terrorism has a specific meaning, and this was not terrorism.  You can call what you want, rebellious act, insurgency attack, etc, but it doesn't fit with the definition of terrorism.


That's what I was sort of saying, except the media doesn't see it that way. They call everything terrorism no. So if you don't call every violent act "terrorism" then you're worse than Hitler because everything is hyperbolized now.
 
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