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2013-05-05 02:29:12 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: There's a few problems with batting average, and this right here highlights one of them.

I'm glad that you don''t dismiss BA out of hand. It may be a flawed and inaccurate statistic, but it still has its uses. It's easy to compute, it indicates success or failure over the long term, and it is fan-friendly.

/"haha" at the dumbass Yankee fan that just threw Luke Montz' homerun ball back just now


If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.
 
2013-05-05 02:33:06 PM  

DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: There's a few problems with batting average, and this right here highlights one of them.

I'm glad that you don''t dismiss BA out of hand. It may be a flawed and inaccurate statistic, but it still has its uses. It's easy to compute, it indicates success or failure over the long term, and it is fan-friendly.

/"haha" at the dumbass Yankee fan that just threw Luke Montz' homerun ball back just now

If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.


But once again, they're harder to compute, and more difficult for the average fan to grasp. The newer stats are much more useful and less fuzzy, but only hard-core fans can comprehend what they reveal.
 
2013-05-05 02:36:05 PM  

DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: There's a few problems with batting average, and this right here highlights one of them.

I'm glad that you don''t dismiss BA out of hand. It may be a flawed and inaccurate statistic, but it still has its uses. It's easy to compute, it indicates success or failure over the long term, and it is fan-friendly.

/"haha" at the dumbass Yankee fan that just threw Luke Montz' homerun ball back just now

If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.


Batting average has to be looked at with other stats to get the full picture. For example if my batting average is .340 and 90% of my hits are singles and I don't steal bases or can't go from 1st to third on a single to right, then I'm not much use offensively. But then you have a guy who's batting average is .270, but he gives himself up to move runners from second to third, has high pitch count at bats, and gets a lot of extra base hits. He is more valuable to you offensively than the first guy.
 
2013-05-05 02:41:20 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: There's a few problems with batting average, and this right here highlights one of them.

I'm glad that you don''t dismiss BA out of hand. It may be a flawed and inaccurate statistic, but it still has its uses. It's easy to compute, it indicates success or failure over the long term, and it is fan-friendly.

/"haha" at the dumbass Yankee fan that just threw Luke Montz' homerun ball back just now

If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.

But once again, they're harder to compute, and more difficult for the average fan to grasp. The newer stats are much more useful and less fuzzy, but only hard-core fans can comprehend what they reveal.


1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.
 
2013-05-05 02:51:09 PM  

DeWayne Mann: 1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.


True, most people don't. I do it out of habit, but you're right OBP is just as easy. BA tends to fuzzify ("fuzzify"? Really?) true batter's performance, but it does give some indication of success or failure. It is better than no stats at all.
 
2013-05-05 02:57:03 PM  

ongbok: For example if my batting average is .340 and 90% of my hits are singles and I don't steal bases or can't go from 1st to third on a single to right, then I'm not much use offensively.


But if you always look like you're trying really hard, slide head-first into every base and hang on for the 24 years it takes to break the career hits record, you'll have fanboys calling you one of the greatest of all time!
 
2013-05-05 03:10:26 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: 1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.

True, most people don't. I do it out of habit, but you're right OBP is just as easy. BA tends to fuzzify ("fuzzify"? Really?) true batter's performance, but it does give some indication of success or failure. It is better than no stats at all.


Most of this is also true of the hitter stat "runs per game." But there's a reason no one uses that anymore.
 
2013-05-05 03:27:51 PM  

DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: 1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.

True, most people don't. I do it out of habit, but you're right OBP is just as easy. BA tends to fuzzify ("fuzzify"? Really?) true batter's performance, but it does give some indication of success or failure. It is better than no stats at all.

Most of this is also true of the hitter stat "runs per game." But there's a reason no one uses that anymore.


As an addendum, from the 1860s to 1875, the New York Clipper would declare the league leader in R/G to be that year's best hitter. In 1876, they changed to H/G.
 
2013-05-05 04:06:55 PM  

DeWayne Mann: DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: 1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.

True, most people don't. I do it out of habit, but you're right OBP is just as easy. BA tends to fuzzify ("fuzzify"? Really?) true batter's performance, but it does give some indication of success or failure. It is better than no stats at all.

Most of this is also true of the hitter stat "runs per game." But there's a reason no one uses that anymore.

As an addendum, from the 1860s to 1875, the New York Clipper would declare the league leader in R/G to be that year's best hitter. In 1876, they changed to H/G.


That's a cool trivia tidbit. Sorry it took me so long to answer, my computer got commandeered by a 5-year-old. She claims that I lost this argument, also. :)
 
2013-05-05 04:14:42 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: DeWayne Mann: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: 1. How many people actually compute batting average by hand?

Besides, I'd argue OBP is easier to compute than BA.

2. People don't comprehend what batting average does either, though. Doesn't stop them from using it.

True, most people don't. I do it out of habit, but you're right OBP is just as easy. BA tends to fuzzify ("fuzzify"? Really?) true batter's performance, but it does give some indication of success or failure. It is better than no stats at all.

Most of this is also true of the hitter stat "runs per game." But there's a reason no one uses that anymore.

As an addendum, from the 1860s to 1875, the New York Clipper would declare the league leader in R/G to be that year's best hitter. In 1876, they changed to H/G.

That's a cool trivia tidbit. Sorry it took me so long to answer, my computer got commandeered by a 5-year-old. She claims that I lost this argument, also. :)


Early stat stuff is often really interesting. Most of it was influenced by cricket (hence the use of runs instead of hits), and teams played different amounts of games (hence the use of per game stats, rather than raw totals). The best resource I know of for that kind of history is the classic book "The Hidden Game of Baseball," by Pete Palmer & John Thorne. Thorne is now actually the official historian for MLB. Unfortunately, the book can be difficult to find nowadays.
 
2013-05-05 04:33:14 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Here's a fun question. When does a shortstop cease being a shortstop? Suppose he spends the entire game playing in a shift, in the spot normally occupied by the second baseman, and the named second baseman plays short right field. Is he now the 2nd second baseman? What if he and the right fielder switch places? Is it required to reassign position designators, or can you continue to call him the shortstop? It seems to me, that the only true assigned positions should be pitcher and catcher.


There was a game where the RF and LF switched placed repeatedly based on the handedness of the hitter (putting the outfielder who knew what he was doing on the pull side). The box score for each of these guys reads "[Name], RF-LF-RF-LF-RF-LF-RF".

/I have no idea when it happened or who was involved
//Vernon Wells is hitting like Vernon Wells again........
 
2013-05-05 04:52:15 PM  

Rex_Banner: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Here's a fun question. When does a shortstop cease being a shortstop? Suppose he spends the entire game playing in a shift, in the spot normally occupied by the second baseman, and the named second baseman plays short right field. Is he now the 2nd second baseman? What if he and the right fielder switch places? Is it required to reassign position designators, or can you continue to call him the shortstop? It seems to me, that the only true assigned positions should be pitcher and catcher.

There was a game where the RF and LF switched placed repeatedly based on the handedness of the hitter (putting the outfielder who knew what he was doing on the pull side). The box score for each of these guys reads "[Name], RF-LF-RF-LF-RF-LF-RF".

/I have no idea when it happened or who was involved
//Vernon Wells is hitting like Vernon Wells again........


I actually think the weaker player was a pitcher, but I can't find the game right now either.
 
2013-05-05 05:00:36 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Rex_Banner: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Here's a fun question. When does a shortstop cease being a shortstop? Suppose he spends the entire game playing in a shift, in the spot normally occupied by the second baseman, and the named second baseman plays short right field. Is he now the 2nd second baseman? What if he and the right fielder switch places? Is it required to reassign position designators, or can you continue to call him the shortstop? It seems to me, that the only true assigned positions should be pitcher and catcher.

There was a game where the RF and LF switched placed repeatedly based on the handedness of the hitter (putting the outfielder who knew what he was doing on the pull side). The box score for each of these guys reads "[Name], RF-LF-RF-LF-RF-LF-RF".

/I have no idea when it happened or who was involved
//Vernon Wells is hitting like Vernon Wells again........

I actually think the weaker player was a pitcher, but I can't find the game right now either.


Yep, once I remembered that fact (and once I got off my phone, which was making it harder to search for stuff), that made it real easy to find:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN198805140.shtml

DeLeon was a pitcher. There's a description of the game and the circumstances in comment #21 of this post: http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11132
 
2013-05-05 05:30:18 PM  

DeWayne Mann: DeLeon was a pitcher. There's a description of the game and the circumstances in comment #21 of this post: http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11132


Thanks DeWayne Mann and Rex_Banner for that. Y'all might win me a bar-bet or two. Or at least, keep me from losing one. :)
 
2013-05-05 05:43:50 PM  
It's not just that guys who get shifted only pull the ball.

Ryan Howard hits the ball well the other way.  He just tends to hit the ball in the air the other way.  If it's on the ground, it's usually to the right side, so shift.
 
2013-05-05 05:44:56 PM  

bubbaprog: Adolf Oliver Nipples: he has the highest career batting average

See, right there is when everybody stopped listening to you. Call me when you use a metric that actually reflects performance.


We're talking about Ted Williams.  Who cares about which stat/metric you use?  He's good at ALL of them.  Pointing out that he has the highest average of the past like 70 years is significant.

Pointing out that he has the highest OBP ever is significant.  Or you can get fancier.  Whatever.
 
2013-05-05 06:26:55 PM  

DeWayne Mann: If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.


But that is all I care about. And that's why I consider the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim the 2012 World Champions. :)
 
2013-05-05 06:33:06 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: If all you care about is "how often does an at-bat" result in a hit, then batting average is the best tool for that. But for just about anything else, there are better stats available.

But that is all I care about. And that's why I consider the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim the 2012 World Champions. :)


I....don't think that's how it works.
 
2013-05-05 08:36:47 PM  
Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.
 
2013-05-05 09:38:55 PM  

thecpt: Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.


Did you have a chance of catching it for the out, or had it already bounced? And if it bounced, did you have a play at first? By your descripton, I envision you running sideways, instead of away from the plate. Did you have to dive? If it was still in the air, did you get a glove on it? Long run for it? By what you have described, I'd give the batter a hit, because you made extraordinary effort to make a play that normally wouldn't be your responsibility, except for the slow first baseman. YMMV.
 
2013-05-05 09:43:47 PM  

thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.


ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)
 
2013-05-05 10:03:19 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)


I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.
 
2013-05-05 10:07:08 PM  

thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)

I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.


Makes sense. Dwayne Mann will know. Start a smoky fire, and I'll get a blanket.
 
2013-05-05 10:11:49 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

Did you have a chance of catching it for the out, or had it already bounced? And if it bounced, did you have a play at first? By your descripton, I envision you running sideways, instead of away from the plate. Did you have to dive? If it was still in the air, did you get a glove on it? Long run for it? By what you have described, I'd give the batter a hit, because you made extraordinary effort to make a play that normally wouldn't be your responsibility, except for the slow first baseman. YMMV.


I was playing deep at second and I ran towards the line and a little back. Problem was I either ran past it or ran to where it was going to land and it tailed towards second and dropped. This makes me think I should have caught it, but it is an area between rf and first. It landed, I recovered and kept the runner at third and the batter didn't advance past first.

If I saw it on tv, I would honestly just see how it was scored and wouldn't argue.
 
2013-05-05 10:17:09 PM  

thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)

I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.


Isolated power.

Mine's the worst, in softball.  Woo singles!
 
2013-05-05 10:17:43 PM  

thecpt: Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.


Seriously, for future reference, feel free to either reply to one of my other posts, or even just put my name in bold. Either way triggers the email notification and brings me by a lot quicker.

Anyway, let me get on my laptop so I can answer more fully.
 
2013-05-05 10:32:01 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Makes sense. Dwayne Mann will know. Start a smoky fire, and I'll get a blanket.


Ok, now that I see this, spelling my name right does help. ANYWAY

thecpt: Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.


Let me start out by saying that I only know the MLB rulebook, and I suspect this is an area that will often differ in other sources. That being said, in MLB, the definition of an error HEAVILY depends .on the definition of ordinary effort. So let's start with that:

Rule 2.00:

ORDINARY EFFORT is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions.


There's also a comment, which is (IMO) the most important part:

This standard...is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the official scorer should charge that fielder with an error.

From there, we can move to the definition of error, which is laid out in rule 10.12. However, I want to specifically focus on a comment to that rule:

It is not necessary that the fielder touch the ball to be charged with an error. If a ground ball goes through a fielder's legs or a fly ball falls untouched and, in the scorer's judgment, the fielder could have handled the ball with ordinary effort, the official scorer shall charge such fielder with an error.

So, all together, the question is this: would an average fielder making the amount of effort one would expect an average fielder to make (that is, not lollygagging, but also probably not running full out and diving) have make the catch? If so, then BY THE RULEBOOK, it's an error.

Note, however, that MLB official scorers do not actually rule by the book, and so it would almost certainly be a hit in the majors, because in general anything that lands untouched in the majors is ruled a hit.
 
2013-05-05 10:32:22 PM  

Dafatone: Isolated power.

Mine's the worst, in softball. Woo singles!


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Wants to know: "What's wrong with singles?"
 
2013-05-05 10:33:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Ok, now that I see this, spelling my name right does help. ANYWAY


Heh, my brother spells HIS name, Duane. I always wanna spell yours that way. My bad.
 
2013-05-05 10:38:14 PM  

thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyone left? I have a fielding stats question. Running a stat sheet for myself in hitting this year. Made it myself in excel using every variable, metric, and stat I've ever heard of. One thing I'm not sure of is if I as the second baseman overplay a looper that I could've had and the only reason I attempted it was because the first baseman is too slow and the ball went over his head. So I didn't touch it but I knew I should've had it based on me over playing it. Does it go as an error? Not my area for the ball or this knowledge.

Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

Did you have a chance of catching it for the out, or had it already bounced? And if it bounced, did you have a play at first? By your descripton, I envision you running sideways, instead of away from the plate. Did you have to dive? If it was still in the air, did you get a glove on it? Long run for it? By what you have described, I'd give the batter a hit, because you made extraordinary effort to make a play that normally wouldn't be your responsibility, except for the slow first baseman. YMMV.

I was playing deep at second and I ran towards the line and a little back. Problem was I either ran past it or ran to where it was going to land and it tailed towards second and dropped. This makes me think I should have caught it, but it is an area between rf and first. It landed, I recovered and kept the runner at third and the batter didn't advance past first.

If I saw it on tv, I would honestly just see how it was scored and wouldn't argue.


That does not sound like an error to me
 
2013-05-05 10:40:55 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: Ok, now that I see this, spelling my name right does help. ANYWAY

Heh, my brother spells HIS name, Duane. I always wanna spell yours that way. My bad.


Well, its not even my real name, so I'll live.
 
2013-05-05 10:44:13 PM  

Dafatone: thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)

I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.

Isolated power.

Mine's the worst, in softball.  Woo singles!


You sound like a gritty gamer who plays the game the right way. Good for you.
 
2013-05-05 10:52:41 PM  

Dafatone: thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)

I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.

Isolated power.

Mine's the worst, in softball.  Woo singles!


Yeah, only one game so far but currently 2 for 3 with 2 singles. It makes all the stats look boring damnit. Couldn't even work a walk for fun. Watched the first pitch which I thought was ugly and it was a dead center strike.

Also thanks DeWayne Mann. I hate ambiguity but under those rules (and since I'm keeping my own score) I feel comfortable saying it was an error.
 
2013-05-05 11:29:50 PM  

thecpt: Yeah, only one game so far but currently 2 for 3 with 2 singles.


See!?! I told ya so! You're hitting .667, and you don't like Batting Average?

I wish I could still play. I was at the park a couple of hours ago, pitching to my 12-year-old nephew, and after about 30 pitches I was done. However, I was pleased to see that I could still throw strikes although I doubt I could dent drywall. I almost did the

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on one he hit through the box. So of course, I stuck one in his ribs. Can't let 'em get cocky out there.
 
2013-05-06 12:07:45 AM  

Rex_Banner: Dafatone: thecpt: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: thecpt: Anyways, I'm really enjoying doing the sheet if not for actually knowing what goes into these stats, and now I have to add ISO.

ISO? Intentional Strike Outs? Insects Stepped On? I'm dyin' to know... :)

I read that one in the link dwm gave earlier. I don't know what it stands for, but it's ops minus ba. I can see the value of knowing what percentage of your hitting is power hitting.

Isolated power.

Mine's the worst, in softball.  Woo singles!

You sound like a gritty gamer who plays the game the right way. Good for you.


I bust my ass down the line.  I'm tons of slow.  I field alright, but wind up diving or falling on every play.

My grit's off the charts.
 
2013-05-06 12:46:47 AM  

Dafatone: I bust my ass down the line. I'm tons of slow. I field alright, but wind up diving or falling on every play.

My grit's off the charts.


Nothin' better than a dirty uniform at the end of the game.
 
2013-05-06 04:45:04 AM  
you know, you coonts should be arguing like this during world series threads.  They've been getting in the pathetically low  100 comment range.
 
2013-05-06 09:46:46 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Adolf Oliver Nipples: What I'm saying is that you guys can make up stuff, cover it with all kinds of weird metrics that only you understand, and declare victory in whatever argument you're trying to make. For my part, I'll stick to batting averages and traditional metrics. It's remarkable how that's held baseball in good stead for more than a century.

I hate the old boys club of baseball. Yes, there are a lot of weird metrics I don't understand. But it's not rocket science to figure out that shiat like batting average is a worthless stat. "Its the way we've always done it" has been a terrible excuse used for everything for all time. Move forward, for god's sake.


Oh, come on, batting average is in no way a "worthless stat".  It's not like wins or something.  There may be better ones out there but there's still a lot of meaning to batting average.
 
2013-05-06 12:17:13 PM  

meanmutton: There may be better ones out there but there's still a lot of meaning to batting average.


Not as much as most people think.

Again, if you want to know how often an at bat (not a plate appearance) ends in a hit, then batting average is for you. But that's about all it does.
 
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