Tatsuma: vygramul: Woahwoahwoah... let's not go crazy.He's the one who repeated in two different threads multiple times that I was posting on Shabbat (I wasn't) and seems to basically just argue at me, argue about me, or insult me, adding nothing to this thread, while he knows I have him on ignore.Yet I'm the troll that it's worthless debating with (which is exactly what he tries doing every thread I'm in, based on the constant green arrows I see next to his name)
Benevolent Misanthrope: I really wouldn't give a shiat what Israel did - nor would the rest of the civilized world - if the U.S. would just stay the fark out of it.
BravadoGT: mayIFark: So, let me get this straight, Hamas shoots rockets at random targets in Israel - Terrorism (Agreed).Israel shoots even more powerful stuff at random targets all over the middle east - Not Terrorism (What the fark?)that wasn't a "random target." It wasn't a school or a pizzeria; it was a missile factory. Meant to be fired at them. There is a big difference.
SuperNinjaToad: not to play devil's advocate but are you saying if Hamas hit an Israeli ammo dump or tank factory you wouldn't call it terrorism? I find that hard to believe.
Tatsuma: SuperNinjaToad: not to play devil's advocate but are you saying if Hamas hit an Israeli ammo dump or tank factory you wouldn't call it terrorism? I find that hard to believe.No, that would be a guerrilla attack, and I would congratulate them on finally growing a pair and stop being cowards.
vygramul: I don't consider the attack on the USS Cole a terrorist act.
cloud_van_dame: Did it occur to you that Jesus might have been annoyed with some similar behaviors? Specifically, he did not like people selling doves and other sacraficial animals inside the temple grounds (vs. outside). That seems fairly consistent with what G-d might want, as evidenced in other stories in the Tanakh.
Tatsuma: vygramul: I don't consider the attack on the USS Cole a terrorist act.Me neither.I consider the post right under yours a pretty pure form of anti-semitism though.
Tatsuma: Your example is wrong. The process of what should happen at the Temple Mount in order to facilitate the sacrifices were laid out both in the Oral Torah and in the Written Torah as part of the Pentateuch (what we call Torah).
cegorach: So thinking you are insane is anti semitic?
cegorach: I dunno, you read the old testament and think 'what a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths on all sides and what vile, petty conflicts'.And then you realise it is still going strong, and always will.Kind of makes you wish they had all listened to that Jesus guy and his 'New' Testament.
Tatsuma: Well, first of all, he ate from them because he was about to die from starvation, and these guys were not (otherwise people would not have said anything as you're allowed to break Shabbat if you are about to die of thirst/starvation)
cloud_van_dame: This is actually interesting. Can you cite the book/page etc so I can read it?
cloud_van_dame: Thing is, maybe they WERE very hungry (are you required to fast during shabbat? I understand no cooking is allowed) but the person who questioned them did not know that, so asked them.We don't know, it was 2000 years ago. If that was their only opportunity to eat, but the questioner didn't know that, the whole thing is a misunderstanding.
Tatsuma: cegorach: So thinking you are insane is anti semitic?No.However saying things like 'One Jew makes me hate all Jews' andcegorach: I dunno, you read the old testament and think 'what a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths on all sides and what vile, petty conflicts'.And then you realise it is still going strong, and always will.Kind of makes you wish they had all listened to that Jesus guy and his 'New' Testament.'Jews are a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths, they've been that way for 3,300 years, why didn't they just accept xianity and became better and not bloodthirsty psychopath' is literally textbook anti-semitism.
Tatsuma: Well, no, you wouldn't be allowed to break Shabbat if you're 'very hungry', only if you were about to actually die. As far as no cooking, this is a bit more complicated than that, you would be allowed to set a meal up before shabbat and have it cook through during Shabbat (to use on the day) as long as it was 1/3rd cooked before the onset of Shabbat.As far as the person asking them not knowing, this is highly unlikely and if it was the case, well clearly he only had to say 'Well they were allowed to die, therefore they ate and it's permitted', he would not have gone a rant about how David ate bread in the Temple and anyway be more careful about what you say than what you eat. He absolutely avoided answering the question while trying to take the moral high ground. He would have been a good Fark poster.
cegorach: You do have to wonder how many brown children Tatsuma would personally sacrifice on an altar in the name of Israeli independence.
cloud_van_dame: The other issue is whether eating raw grain right off the stalk constitutes "work". Clearly there was an interpretation of scripture that this is the case (it is harvesting) but then again, it is also no more work than eating a meal that was prepared the day before.
cloud_van_dame: Problem was, this was instructions for when the temple was still a tent, and nothing about selling doves.
cloud_van_dame: Pease offerings also should be offered at the doorway of the tent meeting (not inside).
cloud_van_dame: Leviticus 5 states that if a person cannot afford two turtledoves, they can bring an ephah of flour to the priest instead. Still no moneychangers, but getting warmer.
cloud_van_dame: I think the question, re Jesus being outraged, is where the boundary (doorway) of the temple is considered to be, and whether the dove-sellers were on the wrong side of it.
UnspokenVoice: Tommy Moo: Fark Me To Tears: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.I think you've got that backwards, sport. Israel is doing this on our behalf.What do we care which insane dictator is in charge of Syria? They don't have ICBMs or nukes.Oil, allies, humanitarian interests, and perhaps other interests. Then again, I have you farkied as a liar and a moron and you usually continue to provide justification for such labels.
Tatsuma: Oh and do you want to know what's really funny? When you enter the xian quarter in the Old City through the Yaffa gate, the first thing you see are rows and rows of buildings of Moneychangers. All concentrated there, too.
Tatsuma: Everything had been done that way until he did that, and then we kept on doing it after he was kicked out. And once we rebuild the Third Temple, we will be doing it again.
cloud_van_dame: Aaaand, we're back to my first question, which you ignored: Are there any examples in the Tanakh of Jews doing things on the Temple Mount, or in the Temple itself, that G-d disapproved of?
Tatsuma: cloud_van_dame: Aaaand, we're back to my first question, which you ignored: Are there any examples in the Tanakh of Jews doing things on the Temple Mount, or in the Temple itself, that G-d disapproved of?I thought I answered already that it was 'irrelevant' to the table turning situation
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