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2013-05-05 02:09:58 AM

Tatsuma: • In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after every conflict: 1967, 1967-70, 1973, 1982, 1990 (Scud remnants from the Gulf War), and 2006 (remnants of Iranian supplied missiles.


Annnnnndd go fark yourself.

So that excuses all the times the last twenty years they've sold our missile and radar technology to the Chinese?  That they spied on us?  That they've sold our secrets to the Soviets?

And I thought you weren't supposed to troll on the sabbath?
 
2013-05-05 02:12:33 AM

Triumph: TuteTibiImperes: Conspiracy theorists believe all sorts of things.  Whack job theories aside, there is no motive for Israel to have purposefully fired on a US ship.  Being surrounded by hostile forces the last thing any sane nation would do would be to attack their closest ally.

I have a battle fragment from that attack (piece of the ship) framed in my den. It was given to me by one of the ship's surviving officers. Spoke to him at length about it. He believes very firmly the evidence is clear it was the Israelis who attacked the ship.


It's pretty clear it was the Israelis that attacked the ship, the question is was the thought process 'Hey, what's up with that ship, that's probably Egyptian, we should attack it' or 'There's one of our allies ships that we've been ordered to attack'.  I just believe that the former is far more likely.
 
2013-05-05 02:17:24 AM
here's another video
/don't know if it has already been posted
 
2013-05-05 02:22:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: It's pretty clear it was the Israelis that attacked the ship, the question is was the thought process 'Hey, what's up with that ship, that's probably Egyptian, we should attack it' or 'There's one of our allies ships that we've been ordered to attack'.  I just believe that the former is far more likely.


He says the larger U.S. flag was flying clearly and they were attacked for over an hour. The first strike targeted the communications gear and they eventually strung a long wire and got an emergency distress call out on open channels to the rest of the fleet. As soon as they did, the attack finally stopped. The intent was clearly to sink the boat with no survivors, but two torpedoes missed and the one that hit struck a beam. They even napalmed the freaking lifeboats. It's a miracle those guys survived to tell the tale.
 
2013-05-05 02:26:03 AM

Triumph: I have a battle fragment from that attack (piece of the ship) framed in my den. It was given to me by one of the ship's surviving officers. Spoke to him at length about it. He believes very firmly the evidence is clear it was the Israelis who attacked the ship.


Nobody questions that it was the Israelis that attacked the ship. The question is why they attacked, something that has never been satisfactorily answered.
 
2013-05-05 02:40:09 AM
The internet sure do love to hate on Israel.
 
2013-05-05 02:53:19 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody questions that it was the Israelis that attacked the ship. The question is why they attacked, something that has never been satisfactorily answered.


A key thing to remember is that all witnesses say the planes attacking were unmarked. People laugh about "false flags," but this was a no flag. My own opinion is that LBJ was a complete psychopath and anything's possible from that administration and who knows what would have happened had the boat sunk. But I know a lot of NSA people take the more charitable view that Israel simply didn't take a liking to being spied on.
 
2013-05-05 02:54:34 AM

Flissss: Pardon, Israel DID threaten to hit Soviet interests in 1973 with the explicit motivation get them involved if Nixon did not supply Israel. That really happened.


And of course you will provide citations, yes? We';ll wait.
 
2013-05-05 02:58:03 AM

Tatsuma: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless you're a woman not being escorted by a family member, I guess.

Yeah, again complete bullshiat that has nothing to do with reality.


One in every three Israeli women has been raped or sexually assaulted, according to the latest statistics from the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel (ARCCI).

Organised crime has increased dramatically in Israel since the 1990s and is described by the BBC and the Israeli Police as a "booming industry". The Israeli organised crime groups have extended their activities in foreign countries like the United States, South Africa, and the Netherlands.[1] According to a report by the Israel Police, drug trafficking, trafficking of women for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation, illicit gambling, pirate filling stations and real estate are the major forms of crime in the country.[2]
In 2002, the Israel Police documented 464,854 criminal files and non-prosecution cases while the number was 484,688 in 2003. This was an increase of 4.5% over 2002.[3]


Israel rounds up African migrants for deportation"They've come here to rape and steal," one Israeli woman shouted at a small but ugly anti-migrant demonstration earlier this month in south Tel Aviv. "We should burn them out, put poison in their food," said an elderly man.
Voluntary deportees will get financial assistance.

"Whoever comes forward will get his grant ... from the moment you come to immigration authorities and say you will pack up, from that moment you will be given an opportunity to pack up, and the grant of 1,000 euros," Yishai said.
 
2013-05-05 03:02:31 AM
http://rt.com/on-air/

They're covering it.
 
2013-05-05 03:03:17 AM

WeenerGord: "They've come here to rape and steal," one Israeli woman shouted at a small but ugly anti-migrant demonstration earlier this month in south Tel Aviv. "We should burn them out, put poison in their food," said an elderly man.


So Israel is just like America, then.
 
2013-05-05 03:05:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: The internet sure do love to hate on Israel.


Removal of consequences always brings out the worst in people.

/it's how ordinary Germans were able to slaughter Jews without guilt
//they knew what was going on, they just thought their superiors would take the blame for it, so they didn't have to worry
 
2013-05-05 03:10:28 AM

Tatterdemalian: Popcorn Johnny: The internet sure do love to hate on Israel.

Removal of consequences always brings out the worst in people.

/it's how ordinary Germans were able to slaughter Jews without guilt
//they knew what was going on, they just thought their superiors would take the blame for it, so they didn't have to worry


Just like acting in the name of God removes consequences, because God will forgive anything done to his benefit, no matter how many people get lied to and killed, amirite?
 
2013-05-05 03:12:55 AM

Popcorn Johnny: The internet sure do love to hate on Israel.


Israel could probably help that by not popping up in the news with crap like this so ridiculously often. I try to avoid the subject because it's not something i care much about, but they make it awfully hard to ignore them.
 
2013-05-05 03:16:32 AM

Tatsuma: If he'd been the actual son of G-d (not that there is such a thing literally



THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS GOD??!

/OMG!
 
2013-05-05 03:24:01 AM

J. Frank Parnell: crap like this


You have no farking clue why they attacked and that's farking sad. You come here bashing on Israel and don't even take a minute to try and find out why they did what they did, why is that?

News Flash, moron, Israel launched these strikes because Syria was attempting to ship missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
 
2013-05-05 03:27:20 AM

nmemkha: Justified or not, I bet the Muslim countries that surround it are super happy fine with Israel's new aggression.

Talk about your playing with matches in a sea of gasoline ...


Since those surrounding Muslim countries have been threatening to douse Israel with the gasoline for decades, lighting the match while they're still holding it seems prudent.  Especially when that crazy cousin theirs just grabbed the can of fuel.
 
2013-05-05 03:28:26 AM

Popcorn Johnny: J. Frank Parnell: crap like this

You have no farking clue why they attacked and that's farking sad. You come here bashing on Israel and don't even take a minute to try and find out why they did what they did, why is that?

News Flash, moron, Israel launched these strikes because Syria was attempting to ship missiles to Hezbollah in Lebanon.


And Saddam had WMDs which forced the US to attack. You can't just accept everything you hear on the news. Governments are always looking for pretenses.
 
2013-05-05 03:29:04 AM

Popcorn Johnny: utah dude: Popcorn Johnny: Good, blow the fark out of anybody even thinking about threatening you. That's how you do it.

ok, i just added you to my target list. sit tight the ballistic missiles are on their way.

Bring it, I picked up some anti-missile missiles on Craigslist.


Sheeeeeit. I picked up half a dozen working anti-icbm sattelites on backpage. Go ahead. Launch something.
 
2013-05-05 03:32:09 AM

Tatsuma: Well there are rumblings that Assad is about to declare war on Israel.


So a toy poodle just threatened a rottweiler?

Toy poodles have damn sharp teeth which can hurt like hell if you turn your back on the little bastards. So I think it fits perfectly.
 
2013-05-05 03:45:30 AM

Tatsuma: paulseta: Jesus! They must have been "researching" some serious weapons in there.

Fateh-110 missiles (Iranian) destined to Hizbullah, possibly chemical and biological weapons as well.

consortiumnews.com


upload.wikimedia.org
www.globalresearch.ca
 
2013-05-05 03:51:12 AM

Fish_Fight!: Flissss: Pardon, Israel DID threaten to hit Soviet interests in 1973 with the explicit motivation get them involved if Nixon did not supply Israel. That really happened.

And of course you will provide citations, yes? We';ll wait.


Google is your friend but whatever. 
"We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under."(Martin Van Creveld, Professor of Military History at Israel's Hebrew University, September 2003)

And they were quite willing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/06/opinion/the-last-nuclear-moment.ht ml 
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm  
Hersh, Seymour (1991),  The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, Random House. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option 


Also during the 1973 war, according to Time Magazine, Israel spotted an American SR-71 Blackbird and was ordered to shoot it down:

".... the planewas spotted by Israeli air defenses and two Phantom jets scrambled to 
intercept it. "I have it on my radar," the Israeli pilot radioed. "It is an 
[SR-71] American Blackbird." Back to him came a direct order from 
a high-ranking Israeli Air Force commander: "Down it." The SR-71, 
flying effortlessly at 85,000 feet, easily outclimbed and outdistanced 
the Israelis and returned to its base with significant readings."

---"Violent Week: The Politics of Death," Time, April 12, 1976. 


Have a nice day.
 
2013-05-05 04:13:39 AM

UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.


10 seconds between flash and boom. They were two miles from that. That's a big explosion.
 
2013-05-05 04:19:35 AM

Infernalist: Two, Israel better not think that we're going to jump in there if Syria gets froggy.


It's nothing Israel can't handle and hasn't handled several times before. If Syria can barely handle its own rebels, it's in no position to do anything but provide mirth for the Israeli defense ministry.
 
2013-05-05 04:22:58 AM

doglover: WeenerGord: "They've come here to rape and steal," one Israeli woman shouted at a small but ugly anti-migrant demonstration earlier this month in south Tel Aviv. "We should burn them out, put poison in their food," said an elderly man.

So Israel is just like America, then.



Nobody in America would dare say such things. America gets invaded, the liberals want to give them jobs and citizenship.  There's judges blocking the enforcement of immigration laws already on the books in America.  You didn't get into Japan that easily, did you?

 In this instance, Israel has more balls then America. Just don't pretend that there is no crime in Israel. Google "Israel deport Africans" or "Israel rape statistics" or "Israel Crime" and see what you find. There is a lot going on. It isn't some peaceful paradise where anyone can stroll around at night safely. For instance, since Israel wont let the African migrants have citizenship, they sleep out in parks by the hundreds.
 
2013-05-05 04:24:04 AM

Infernalist: TuteTibiImperes: Infernalist: TuteTibiImperes: Flissss: Not to mention the U.S. would be balls deep in Iran right now if they had their way whileNetanyahu masturbated to the sound of American cargo jets bringing dead kids back to the U.S. to be buried. It's a giant welfare state that just keeps going "Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme."

Please.  Israel has never been afraid to do their dirty work themselves.  Iran's ties with Russia have kept them safe in the past, and will likely continue to do so in the future, but if worst came to worst and Iran launched an attack on Israel, I don't doubt for a second that the IDF would jump into the fray with or without us to back them up.

At the end of the day the Jewish people have never launched an attack on the US, nor called for our destruction.  While there are plenty of peace loving and respectable Muslims out there, there are also a good number of them also call us the 'Great Satan' and wish for our demise, along with Israel's.

Given that, I'm behind Israel whatever they decide they need to do.

The crew of the U.S.S. Liberty thinks you're full of shiat.

OK, never purposefully launched an attack on the US.  War can be confusing, we've blown some stuff up that we didn't intend to as well.

The attack on the Liberty was 'called' accidental, but the evidence for it being a deliberate attack is considerable.  Look it up.

Israel attacked the Liberty with both air craft and naval vessels in a coordinated attack that lasted for a good long while.

So, yeah.  Nice guys, those Israelis.  Real solid dependable allies.


Nothing about the attack on the USS Liberty is surprising or exceptional when compared to blue-on-blues. If you think the chain of stupidity and ill luck was unbelievable, it's nothing compared to the convergence of facepalms that go into some of our own fark-ups.

It's also perfectly natural for the injured party to think otherwise. Just about every blue-on-blue between countries has the victim been prone to think it was on purpose.
 
2013-05-05 04:54:13 AM

WeenerGord: Nobody in America would dare say such things.


cache.ohinternet.com

That made my day. 7/10
 
2013-05-05 05:20:12 AM
To understand the Middle East,first you have to understand the principles of sodomy, and how that relates to post modern proto medieval societies without lube.
 
2013-05-05 05:27:16 AM

WeenerGord: doglover: WeenerGord: "They've come here to rape and steal," one Israeli woman shouted at a small but ugly anti-migrant demonstration earlier this month in south Tel Aviv. "We should burn them out, put poison in their food," said an elderly man.

So Israel is just like America, then.


Nobody in America would dare say such things. America gets invaded, the liberals want to give them jobs and citizenship.  There's judges blocking the enforcement of immigration laws already on the books in America.  You didn't get into Japan that easily, did you?

 In this instance, Israel has more balls then America. Just don't pretend that there is no crime in Israel. Google "Israel deport Africans" or "Israel rape statistics" or "Israel Crime" and see what you find. There is a lot going on. It isn't some peaceful paradise where anyone can stroll around at night safely. For instance, since Israel wont let the African migrants have citizenship, they sleep out in parks by the hundreds.


LIBSLIBSLIBSLIBSLIBS!

/Mental health. You doesn't haz it.
 
2013-05-05 05:29:09 AM

paulseta: To understand the Middle East,first you have to understand the principles of sodomy, and how that relates to post modern proto medieval societies without lube.


Please, tell us more
 
2013-05-05 06:05:56 AM

Flissss: Fish_Fight!: Flissss: Pardon, Israel DID threaten to hit Soviet interests in 1973 with the explicit motivation get them involved if Nixon did not supply Israel. That really happened.

And of course you will provide citations, yes? We';ll wait.

Google is your friend but whatever. 

Also during the 1973 war, according to Time Magazine, Israel spotted an American SR-71 Blackbird and was ordered to shoot it down:

".... the planewas spotted by Israeli air defenses and two Phantom jets scrambled to 
intercept it. "I have it on my radar," the Israeli pilot radioed. "It is an 
[SR-71] American Blackbird." Back to him came a direct order from 
a high-ranking Israeli Air Force commander: "Down it." The SR-71, 
flying effortlessly at 85,000 feet, easily outclimbed and outdistanced 
the Israelis and returned to its base with significant readings."

---"Violent Week: The Politics of Death," Time, April 12, 1976. 


Have a nice day.


Well hold up Google Cowboy. Not doubting your GoogleFu, or the other guy that has no apparent GoogleFu. But a Blackbird? That plane would have been 300 miles away by the time an IDF jet got off the ground. See it from farking where? Italy? It's Israel, not California. That airspace would have taken what? two minutes to cross? Go ahead and put in the kill order. It's already disappeared.
 
2013-05-05 06:14:43 AM

fanbladesaresharp: Well hold up Google Cowboy. Not doubting your GoogleFu, or the other guy that has no apparent GoogleFu. But a Blackbird? That plane would have been 300 miles away by the time an IDF jet got off the ground. See it from farking where? Italy? It's Israel, not California. That airspace would have taken what? two minutes to cross? Go ahead and put in the kill order. It's already disappeared.


311 miles in 8 and a half minutes is one of the records. St. Louis to Cincinnati in a little over 8.5 minutes. To cross Israel at its narrowest point? About 15 seconds. Its widest? 2 minutes.
 
2013-05-05 06:27:09 AM

Tommy Moo: leevis: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Because the US has such a long history of invading Israel's neighbor's for them?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Historically they've done quite well on their own, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

picturescrazy: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Syria can barely keep its government intact in the middle of a civil war despite having a lot more firepower. Do you really think in the middle of that Israel would need our help?

They are spending our money every time they drop a bomb, so I wouldn't be so quick to imagine that they are some independent military titan of the Middle East. If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.


Except they did just fine on their own for quite some time and are now a nuclear power.
 
2013-05-05 07:32:16 AM
W00t!!! Operation Megaphone in full effect here!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread577913/pg1
 
2013-05-05 07:52:08 AM

Tatsuma: Ghastly: It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.

Yeah this is not true.


WHAT ISRAEL DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES and much more

Throughout the six decades since the re-establishment of Israel, an often repeated claim in made that "Israel is a draining liability on the United States." This claim is bogus and an examination of the facts hopefully will consign this charge to the trash-heap where it belongs.

Further adding to the problem are statements made by and the conduct of Israel's leftist leaders since 1993 create the false impression that Israeli-American ties constitute a one-way relationship. The impression is given that the U.S. gives and Israel merely receives and thus must constantly bow to "American pressure" as personified by the U.S. State Department.

The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example:

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after ever ...


What have you done for us lately? Not farkin' a lot.
 
2013-05-05 08:13:02 AM
"Israeli warplanes bombed ..."

Would that better be "Israel bombed ..."? Israel doesn't use Boeing 747s or Cessnas to deliver bombs, do they?
 
2013-05-05 08:22:29 AM

Tatsuma: utah dude: Jesus only dropped the f-bomb when he was cleaning out the temple.

If he'd been the actual son of G-d (not that there is such a thing literally, ch"vs), he might have remembered that, oh you know, G-d himself ordered what was happening in the Temple.


God's an arsehole.
 
2013-05-05 08:48:03 AM

Popcorn Johnny: The internet sure do love to hate on Israel.


Seems to me the internet hates everybody, all the time...
 
2013-05-05 08:56:33 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama: "if Syria uses chemical weapons, we're going to fark their shiat up"

Breaking news: Syria has used chemical weapons.

Obama: "look at that duck"


I think his original "red line" statement was a mistake.  As long as Syria doesn't use WMD on anyone else, sorry, but let them kill each other.  Assad's no prize, but I haven't seen anything good about the rebel factions, so I'm FINE with Obama keeping us out of that mess, even at the "cost" of walking back his own statements, or "losing face"...screw that BS.

/sorry for any innocents caught in the crossfire, but intervening in the ME isn't really something we're good at...
//get the UN to hire as as world police, AND back us up, then we'll talk
 
2013-05-05 08:59:49 AM

iq_in_binary: That's a load of bullshiat right there.


This
 
2013-05-05 09:08:07 AM

Tatsuma: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless you're a woman not being escorted by a family member, I guess.

Yeah, again complete bullshiat that has nothing to do with reality.


Oh, is Tatsuma  lying about Isreal again?  Is it tomorrow already?

I miss the good old days when Tats was mostly honest.
 
2013-05-05 09:10:22 AM
What happened with the USS Liberty has been clearly established: A tragical error in the midst of a war on all fronts for Israel.

Sometimes, bad things happen in the fog of war, and Israel had no intentions to strike an American vessel, much less sink it. The only people who hold this today should be regarded as those who say that the Boston Bombings and the Sandy Hook massacres were faked by the federal government and crisis actors pretended to be the dead/injured.
 
2013-05-05 09:10:51 AM

Tatsuma: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I suppose our danger threshold is very different. There's no danger for me, but for my son? Oh hell no. I cringe when he crosses the street.

I can understand, but yeah I'm just saying: Israel is safer for your son than even crossing the street.


For your SON, yes.

For your DAUGHTER, not so much.
 
2013-05-05 09:13:04 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Tatsuma: Somacandra: All the macho military assholes on all sides there love dead civilian babies. They spray their jockey shorts on it. When it happens to themselves they feel "justified" and when it happens to the other side its "richly deserved."

This is bullshiat, you don't ever see Israelis dancing in the street and distributing sweets where there are news that children have been killed.

That's a farking disgusting assertion.

Hmm, I seem to recall a certain Israeli farker responding to the deaths of a planeload of civilians with this image...


[www.gambooge.net image 625x415]


Yeah, I remember that, too.  But I assumed that that certain Israeli farker would lie about it later, and lo and behold, here he is lying about it.
 
2013-05-05 09:15:34 AM

OgreMagi: So a toy poodle just threatened a rottweiler?

Toy poodles have damn sharp teeth which can hurt like hell if you turn your back on the little bastards. So I think it fits perfectly.


And the situation can also be resolved by one swift kick. The only weapon the Syrian regime could use against Israel would be Hizbullah, and right now Hizbullah is way too busy repressing Syrian civilians and fighting alongside the regime to open a front against Israel.
 
2013-05-05 09:27:29 AM

Tatsuma: Ghastly: It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.

Yeah this is not true.



It's funny how many of Tatsuma's posts consist of claiming what someone else said is "not true" or "bullshiat" or whatever.  It's Freudian projection at its finest.

The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example:

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after ever ...



Normally, I'd point out that these are bald assertions without any links or references to back them up.  But in this case perhaps we should merely be grateful that he isn't wasting more of our time by coming up with links someone would have to follow, read, and then debunk.

Sadly, I don't have all day to refute all his crap, so to save myself and everyone else time, I'll just give a blanket warning: if it has to do with Judaism or Isreal, it's pretty safe to assume anything Tatsuma is a baldface lie.

Honestly, Tatsuma, isn't lying a sin?  Doesn't it go against the Ten Commandments?  Do you not believe that there's a God in Heaven that notices and will punish you someday?  Are you just pretending to have faith, or are you really that poor a Jew?
 
2013-05-05 09:32:32 AM

ciberido: Tatsuma: Ghastly: It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.

Yeah this is not true.


It's funny how many of Tatsuma's posts consist of claiming what someone else said is "not true" or "bullshiat" or whatever.  It's Freudian projection at its finest.

The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example:

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after ever ...


Normally, I'd point out that these are bald assertions without any links or references to back them up.  But in this case perhaps we should merely be grateful that he isn't wasting more of our time by coming up with links someone would have to follow, read, and then debunk.

Sadly, I don't have all day to refute all his crap, so to save myself and everyone else time, I'll just give a blanket warning: if it has to do with Judaism or Isreal, it's pretty safe to assume anything Tatsuma is a baldface lie.

Honestly, Ta ...


Orthodox Jews don't believe in a heaven or an afterlife, just so you know.

I know I'm probably jumping to quickly to assume he's Orthodox, but given his seemingly mindless urge to rather vigorously diddle his uvula with Isreal's schmuck, the assumption is pretty safe.
 
2013-05-05 09:34:58 AM

ciberido: Tatsuma: Ghastly: It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.

Yeah this is not true.


It's funny how many of Tatsuma's posts consist of claiming what someone else said is "not true" or "bullshiat" or whatever.  It's Freudian projection at its finest.

The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example:

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after ever ...


Normally, I'd point out that these are bald assertions without any links or references to back them up.  But in this case perhaps we should merely be grateful that he isn't wasting more of our time by coming up with links someone would have to follow, read, and then debunk.

Sadly, I don't have all day to refute all his crap, so to save myself and everyone else time, I'll just give a blanket warning: if it has to do with Judaism or Isreal, it's pretty safe to assume anything Tatsuma is a baldface lie.

Honestly, Ta ...


I'm probably going to hell for defending Tatsuma, but... you *could* refute some of it. Vague assertions and appeals to hatred of Israel don't help your position.
 
2013-05-05 09:36:21 AM

iq_in_binary: Orthodox Jews don't believe in a heaven or an afterlife, just so you know.

I know I'm probably jumping to quickly to assume he's Orthodox, but given his seemingly mindless urge to rather vigorously diddle his uvula with Isreal's schmuck, the assumption is pretty safe.


Uh, yes we do. In fact it's a very central part of Judaism and has always been. It's one of the very few principles of faith that we, as Jews, have to believe in to be considered part of klal Yisrael.

As for the post you quoted from a user I can't read otherwise, I love the fact that he knows everything I said is false, he just doesn't want to spend the time reading about it, learning and then posting links to debunk it. So he actually has no idea but knows deep down that I'm lying.
 
2013-05-05 09:37:19 AM

Parmenius: I'm probably going to hell for defending Tatsuma, but... you *could* refute some of it. Vague assertions and appeals to hatred of Israel don't help your position.


No see if you say 'Everything Tats says about X is false' it magically becomes fact.
 
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