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2013-05-04 11:13:26 PM

Radioactive Ass: Bit'O'Gristle: /Seriously, cant they stop throwing out ackbars? It's getting a bit dated.

That was the equivalent of "Oh my god" in that case.


Depends on if high-fives are being exchanged...might be more like "holy shiat...did you see that!?"

/but "Oh my god" works in polite company
 
2013-05-04 11:18:59 PM
You know, there is a very simple solution to all the strife in the middle east.

EVERYONE ELSE STAY THE FARK OUT OF IT

If crazies want to fight, then let them fight. Don't shower them with money and weapons. Don't stick a huge greedy nose where it doesn't belong. Let the bloodthirsty slaughter each other if that's what they want to do. If we're really lucky, they will all annihilate each other and someone with some sense can move in and make something of the region.
 
2013-05-04 11:19:04 PM

Stone Meadow: Radioactive Ass: Bit'O'Gristle: /Seriously, cant they stop throwing out ackbars? It's getting a bit dated.

That was the equivalent of "Oh my god" in that case.

Depends on if high-fives are being exchanged...might be more like "holy shiat...did you see that!?"

/but "Oh my god" works in polite company


So... it's the Arabic equivalent of Aloha. Many different meanings to one phrase.
 
2013-05-04 11:19:10 PM
Israel can't help it. They have what is like a sexual urge to express their violent personality. It builds up, builds up and then...they drop some bombs, kill some arabs and then they have a cigarette and are satisfied for a few days.
 
2013-05-04 11:20:22 PM

My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: If crazies want to fight, then let them fight. Don't shower them with money and weapons. Don't stick a huge greedy nose where it doesn't belong. Let the bloodthirsty slaughter each other if that's what they want to do. If we're really lucky, they will all annihilate each other and someone with some sense can move in and make something of the region.


Unfortunately the crazies don't stay put after they "Win".
 
2013-05-04 11:23:25 PM
 
2013-05-04 11:25:15 PM

Tatsuma: Another video of the strike, incredible stuff starts 18 seconds in

Holy fark.


That appears to be the same video as before.
 
2013-05-04 11:25:22 PM

Tatsuma: Another video of the strike, incredible stuff starts 18 seconds in

Holy fark.


Paula snack bar.
 
2013-05-04 11:26:39 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That appears to be the same video as before.


Even though I'm subby, did you really expect me to RTFA or TFT? Really?


(I've seen six different videos so far, didn't know people in this thread saw this one)
 
2013-05-04 11:28:15 PM

Fark Me To Tears: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

I think you've got that backwards, sport. Israel is doing this on our behalf.


What do we care which insane dictator is in charge of Syria? They don't have ICBMs or nukes.
 
2013-05-04 11:28:22 PM

UrinalPooper: It's nice to see a competent nation stepping up and policing things.


Pretty much this.

Also, calm down everyone. This is business as usual, not your long expected coming of the apocalypse.
 
2013-05-04 11:29:43 PM

Radioactive Ass: Stone Meadow: Depends on if high-fives are being exchanged...might be more like "holy shiat...did you see that!?"

/but "Oh my god" works in polite company

So... it's the Arabic equivalent of Aloha. Many different meanings to one phrase.


Yup...exactly.
 
2013-05-04 11:30:10 PM

leevis: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Because the US has such a long history of invading Israel's neighbor's for them?


Adolf Oliver Nipples: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Historically they've done quite well on their own, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.


picturescrazy: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.

Syria can barely keep its government intact in the middle of a civil war despite having a lot more firepower. Do you really think in the middle of that Israel would need our help?


They are spending our money every time they drop a bomb, so I wouldn't be so quick to imagine that they are some independent military titan of the Middle East. If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.
 
2013-05-04 11:31:17 PM

Tatsuma: TuteTibiImperes: That appears to be the same video as before.

Even though I'm subby, did you really expect me to RTFA or TFT? Really?


(I've seen six different videos so far, didn't know people in this thread saw this one)


UNC_Samurai posted it at the very top of the thread. That's the one to which I responded "holy farking shiat."

That said, it's probably the best video i've seen so far of the explosion, so reposting it isn't such a bad thing.
 
2013-05-04 11:32:46 PM

ravenlore: UNC_Samurai posted it at the very top of the thread. That's the one to which I responded "holy farking shiat."

That said, it's probably the best video i've seen so far of the explosion, so reposting it isn't such a bad thing.


Ah!

And yeah it definitely needed to be seen again
 
2013-05-04 11:34:25 PM
I'm being entertained by the Youtube/Liveleak commenters who think it was a nuclear strike.
 
2013-05-04 11:35:13 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Tatsuma: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What does Syria have to gain by giving missiles to Hezbollah?

... you do realize that they've been doing that for nearly 30 years, right?

So then why isn't Hezbollah using them instead of rockets?


They're probably keeping them in the same underground bunker as Saddam's WMDs (Iraq War), guarded by the magical disappearing quarter million Iraqi troops along the Kuwati border (Gulf War) and the imaginary North Vietnamese ships from the Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam War).

Israel has learned well from the US.  Just remember to keep the intelligence reports classified until it's too late to turn back,
 
2013-05-04 11:36:26 PM

Tatsuma: Israel is safer for your son than even crossing the street.


Are there not streets in Israel? Because if there are, it's at least equally dangerous.
 
2013-05-04 11:36:27 PM
Tommy Moo:  If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.

Oh for crying out loud, will you give it up? The US gives the same military aid each year to Egypt as we do to Israel. Not to mention that Saudi Arabia buys 3 times as much each year as the other two combined. Maintaining military parity in the region has prevented large scale warfare for 40 years and counting now...or did you forget that?
 
2013-05-04 11:36:45 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: utah dude: i know i'm supposed to support israel as a mormon chrisitian whatever and what not but seriously i wish israel would just put the guns down and move to some remote part of canada.

Isn't Utah supposed to be famous as a place religious folks go to settle? Why not welcome them there?


I didn't know you were such an anti-Semite. I mean, geez, I'm not a huge fan of Israel, but relocating them to Utah? There are limits here.
 
2013-05-04 11:38:15 PM

Tommy Moo: They are spending our money every time they drop a bomb, so I wouldn't be so quick to imagine that they are some independent military titan of the Middle East. If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.


That's not the same as "expect(ing) that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you". The US will not fight any wars for them, has never done so, and Israel hasn't asked them to. They've done quite well on their own.
 
2013-05-04 11:38:18 PM

Poopy MacPoop: Are there not streets in Israel? Because if there are, it's at least equally dangerous.


Our streets are paved of gold, where Unicorns wander freely and sidewalks are made of cotton candy!

Stone Meadow: Oh for crying out loud, will you give it up? The US gives the same military aid each year to Egypt as we do to Israel. Not to mention that Saudi Arabia buys 3 times as much each year as the other two combined. Maintaining military parity in the region has prevented large scale warfare for 40 years and counting now...or did you forget that?


At the end of the day Israel has given about $10 worth for every dollar it has received.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I didn't know you were such an anti-Semite.


Ask her about how many Jews died in the Holocaust.
 
2013-05-04 11:38:55 PM

Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for you.


A full scale invasion from whom, exactly? The Syrians? The Optometrist in Damascus has other things to worry about.
 
2013-05-04 11:41:46 PM

Poopy MacPoop: Tatsuma: Israel is safer for your son than even crossing the street.

Are there not streets in Israel? Because if there are, it's at least equally dangerous.


They probably drive less there...EVERYONE drives less than the US.
 
2013-05-04 11:42:52 PM
Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.
 
2013-05-04 11:45:09 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.


The best part is that, with a post like that, he could easily be on either side of this discussion.

Anyone wanna give odds?
 
2013-05-04 11:49:21 PM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-04 11:49:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.


Pre-emptive strike against Japan.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-04 11:49:37 PM

Emposter: Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.

The best part is that, with a post like that, he could easily be on either side of this discussion.

Anyone wanna give odds?


I know why they did it, let's hear why you think they did it.
 
2013-05-04 11:53:09 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Emposter: Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.

The best part is that, with a post like that, he could easily be on either side of this discussion.

Anyone wanna give odds?

I know why they did it, let's hear why you think they did it.


Oh nonono.  After you, Mr. Everyone Else is So Ignorant.
 
2013-05-04 11:53:20 PM
Let Israel go to war with Syria.

As long as they understand the US is not coming to bail them out when/if Iran decides they want to play too.
 
2013-05-04 11:53:24 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Emposter: Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how ignorant some of you are about why Israel did this.

The best part is that, with a post like that, he could easily be on either side of this discussion.

Anyone wanna give odds?

I know why they did it, let's hear why you think they did it.


Advanced game of rock-paper-scissors with Chuck Norris?
 
2013-05-04 11:53:26 PM

mayIFark: So, let me get this straight, Hamas shoots rockets at random targets in Israel - Terrorism (Agreed).
Israel shoots even more powerful stuff at random targets all over the middle east - Not Terrorism (What the fark?)


Seems much less random hitting a pile of weapons, than a produce market, no?
 
2013-05-04 11:54:03 PM

DubtodaIll: mayIFark: So, let me get this straight, Hamas shoots rockets at random targets in Israel - Terrorism (Agreed).
Israel shoots even more powerful stuff at random targets all over the middle east - Not Terrorism (What the fark?)

The difference between terrorism and defensive military operations is organization.


And scale.

And rules.

And accountability.

And international recognition.

And them little $0.35 can openers.
 
2013-05-04 11:54:24 PM
TuteTibiImperes:
Israel is a real nation, Palestine is not.  Israel is happy to grant citizenship to Muslims and Arabs - the Palestinians are free to simply become Israeli.  They can still practice their religion in peace, and they would be able to vote and contribute in the political system just as the Jewish citizens of Israel do.

Actually, this is completely untrue.  Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not allowed to become naturalized citizens by Israeli nationality law, unless they are Jewish and can claim citizenship by the right of return - which is why the Jewish settlers there are citizens while their Muslim and Christian neighbors are not.  Curiously, the Golan Heights have been fully incorporated and residents there can become Israeli citizens.

Source: Wikipedia (and prior personal knowledge)
 
2013-05-04 11:56:11 PM

UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.


I wonder what was REALLY stored at that "fertilizer plant" in Texas.
 
2013-05-04 11:58:03 PM

Begoggle: I wonder what was REALLY stored at that "fertilizer plant" in Texas.


Sometimes I wish you could post emoticons so I could just reply with :rolleyes:
 
2013-05-04 11:58:57 PM

Tommy Moo: leevis: Tommy Moo: You're on your own, Israel. Don't you dare expect that you can throw a few rocks to provoke a full scale invasion, and that the United States will then step in and fight your war for
They are spending our money every time they drop a bomb, so I wouldn't be so quick to imagine that they are some independent military titan of the Middle East. If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.


Um, that's not how military aid works. The US doesn't *give* Israel anything. The way it works is we transfer money there, then Israel *buys* military hardware from American companies. If we stopped giving them military aid, that's $3 billion worth of stuff that American companies wouldn't be able to sell-leading to a loss of a lot of good paying jobs. It's corporate welfare that actually wroks for all concerned. Plus, we get the results of real-world testing.
 
2013-05-05 12:00:45 AM

Begoggle: UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.

I wonder what was REALLY stored at that "fertilizer plant" in Texas.


Are you suggesting that the plant fertilizer plant itself was, in fact, a plant?

rarerborealis.com
 
2013-05-05 12:00:59 AM

Begoggle: UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.

I wonder what was REALLY stored at that "fertilizer plant" in Texas.


Fertilizer which explodes, mostly.
 
2013-05-05 12:08:56 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.

/Seriously, cant they stop throwing out ackbars? It's getting a bit dated.


It's their version of saying "Jesus Christ" as an exclamation, (or for those of us from the Ottawa Valley, "Jesus Murphy" or if particularly surprised "Jesus H. Murphy").
 
2013-05-05 12:12:06 AM

Tatsuma: Yeah, again complete bullshiat that has nothing to do with reality.


My daughter was brutally raped her first day in Tel Aviv.  Really, <b>Tatsuma</b>, it's a barbaric region.
 
2013-05-05 12:15:42 AM

MorrisBird: My daughter was brutally raped her first day in Tel Aviv. Really, <b>Tatsuma</b>, it's a barbaric region.


Yes because it's not like there's a rape happening every two minutes in America. Nope.

Very sorry about your daughter, but that post was just farking stupid.
 
2013-05-05 12:16:06 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Hm, those voices sound identical to the ones I've heard in previous Syrian videos. I guess it's the same people, or they're lazy and re-using audio.


The Syrian version of the Wilhelm scream?
 
2013-05-05 12:16:49 AM

Stone Meadow: Tommy Moo:  If the U.S. stopped giving them $3 billion worth of military equipment every year, they would be sitting ducks.

Oh for crying out loud, will you give it up? The US gives the same military aid each year to Egypt as we do to Israel. Not to mention that Saudi Arabia buys 3 times as much each year as the other two combined. Maintaining military parity in the region has prevented large scale warfare for 40 years and counting now...or did you forget that?


Actually, Israel gets more than twice as much military aid from the US than Egypt, more than Egypt, Pakistan, and Iraq combined (the next three highest recipients of US aid).  Admittedly, Egypt and Saudi Arabia buy a lot of US military hardware, but that's their own money they are using for that, not a handout.

As for parity preventing warfare, I think that has as much to do with the Cold War as US military aid as an intervention.  Also, you can't leave out the Iran-Iraq war, and then the Persian Gulf war three or so years later - while not as "interstate", the consequences were broad.
 
2013-05-05 12:17:50 AM

Ghastly: Bit'O'Gristle: UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.

/Seriously, cant they stop throwing out ackbars? It's getting a bit dated.

It's their version of saying "Jesus Christ" as an exclamation, (or for those of us from the Ottawa Valley, "Jesus Murphy" or if particularly surprised "Jesus H. Murphy").


To be fair, it's equally annoying when some redneck ruins a perfectly good explosion/natural disaster video with a multi-minute barrage of "ohjesusohjesusohjesusohjesus..."  You all know what I'm talking about.
 
2013-05-05 12:23:20 AM
FatherofWallaby:
Um, that's not how military aid works. The US doesn't *give* Israel anything. The way it works is we transfer money there, then Israel *buys* military hardware from American companies. If we stopped giving them military aid, that's $3 billion worth of stuff that American companies wouldn't be able to sell-leading to a loss of a lot of good paying jobs. It's corporate welfare that actually wroks for all concerned. Plus, we get the results of real-world testing.

It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.

A better use of those funds would be to repair America's infrastructure. Put the money to work fixing roads, bridges, building public works, schools, hospitals, airports, parks and recreation, high speed rail, public transportation etc. The same money the government currently sticks into military spending would employ many, many times that number creating works that truly benefit all of the citizenry instead of a rich few.

For a country that claims to worship capitalism above all else it is actually anything but capitalistic in foreign policy. "Buy/sell us shiat or we'll bomb you to the stone age" is not how the "free market" is supposed to work. If they actually did practice capitalism as a foreign policy instead of using the public coffers and military as mercenaries for the business interests of private corporations then there wouldn't be a shiat load of people in the world pissed off at them and they'd truly have a standard of living the envy of the world. They could transform the entire country into a 21st century marvel. Instead there are still large parts of the nation where the standard of living is barely above that of the turn of the last century.

The "but it's good corporate welfare" is the worst excuse for the bloated military spending of the United States.
 
2013-05-05 12:24:00 AM

Emposter: Ghastly: Bit'O'Gristle: UNC_Samurai: They apparently hit an ammo dump.  The missile warheads all went up at once.

/Seriously, cant they stop throwing out ackbars? It's getting a bit dated.

It's their version of saying "Jesus Christ" as an exclamation, (or for those of us from the Ottawa Valley, "Jesus Murphy" or if particularly surprised "Jesus H. Murphy").

To be fair, it's equally annoying when some redneck ruins a perfectly good explosion/natural disaster video with a multi-minute barrage of "ohjesusohjesusohjesusohjesus..."  You all know what I'm talking about.


Ain't nobody got time for that.
 
2013-05-05 12:26:08 AM

Ghastly: It's the worst kind of corporate welfare because in the end, apart from spreading more misery in the middle east it does nothing to benefit Americans at large. A few thousand people might have jobs but when it's all said and done the only Americans who truly see any benefit from this are the owners of the weapons manufacturers.


Yeah this is not true.


WHAT ISRAEL DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES and much more

Throughout the six decades since the re-establishment of Israel, an often repeated claim in made that "Israel is a draining liability on the United States." This claim is bogus and an examination of the facts hopefully will consign this charge to the trash-heap where it belongs.

Further adding to the problem are statements made by and the conduct of Israel's leftist leaders since 1993 create the false impression that Israeli-American ties constitute a one-way relationship. The impression is given that the U.S. gives and Israel merely receives and thus must constantly bow to "American pressure" as personified by the U.S. State Department.

The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example:

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the "Top Gun" squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after every conflict: 1967, 1967-70, 1973, 1982, 1990 (Scud remnants from the Gulf War), and 2006 (remnants of Iranian supplied missiles.

In the 1967-1970 1000 Day War of Attrition, the IDF, armed with American aircraft successfully defeated a Soviet-supplied air defense system, pointing out the deficiencies in Soviet air-defense doctrine to US defense planners. Israel shared captured military equipment include P-2 radar and Soviet tanks with the U.S. military.

• In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan, at a time when the U.S. was tied up by wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, thus preventing the fall of the pro-American Hashemite regime and the installation of a pro-Soviet radical Palestinian terrorist regime.

• In 1973 - thanks to U.S. re-supply, but without U.S. forces, Israel defeated Soviet-trained and equipped Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israel again shared captured Soviet equipment, including T-62 battle tanks with the U.S. Israel emerged as the only reliable ally where U.S. troops could land, where U.S. equipment can be pre-positioned, where the U.S. has friendly port facilities (in Haifa and Ashdod) in the entire Middle East region. This too has saved the U.S. billions of dollars.

• 1970s - Joseph Sisco, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, assistant to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during the latter's shuttle diplomacy, told the Israeli author and military expert, Shmuel Katz: "I want to assure you, Mr. Katz, that if we were not getting full value for our money, you would not get a cent from us."

• In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, delaying Saddam Hussein's quest for nuclear weapons. It thus provided the U.S. with the option of engaging in conventional wars with Iraq in 1991 and 2003.

• The vice president General Dynamics which produces the F16 fighter jets has stated that Israel is responsible for 600 improvements in the plane's systems, modifications estimated to be worth billions of dollars, which spared dozens of research and development years.

• In 1982, Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon that were considered immune to American weapons. Israel promptly shared the operation's lessons, estimated to be worth billions of dollars.

• Former Secretary of State and NATO forces commander Alexander Haig has stated that he is pro-Israeli because Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.

• During the first Gulf War 1991, Israel provided invaluable intelligence, an umbrella of air cover for military cargo, and had personnel planted in the Iraqi desert to pick up downed American pilots.


General George Keegan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence has publicly declared that "Israel is worth five CIA's." He further stated that between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants. During the same period Israel provided the U.S. with $50-80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the U.S.

• In 2005, Israel provided America with the world's most extensive experience in homeland defense and warfare against suicide bombers and car bombs. American soldiers train in IDF facilities and Israeli-made drones fly above the "Sunni Triangle" in Iraq, as well as in Afghanistan, providing U.S. Marines with vital intelligence.

• In September 2007, the IAF destroyed a Syrian-North Korean nuclear plant, extending the US's strategic arm. It provided the US with vital information on Russian air defense systems, which are also employed by Iran. It bolstered the US posture of deterrence and refuted the claim that US-Israel relations have been shaped by political expediency.

• In 2009, Israel shares with the US its battle-tested experience in combating Palestinian and Hizbullah terrorism, which are the role model of anti-US Islamic terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. US GIs benefit from Israel's battle tactics against car bombs, improvised explosive devices and homicide bombing. An Israel-like ally in the Persian Gulf would have spared the need to dispatch US troops to Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

• Israel has relayed to the U.S. lessons of battle (during the Cold War - Soviet military doctrine) and counter-terrorism (including aircraft security, homicide-suicide bombings) which reduce American losses in Iraq and Afghanistan, prevent attacks on U.S. soil, upgrade American weapons, and contribute to the U.S. economy. Without Israel, the U.S. would have been forced to deploy tens of thousands of American troops in the eastern Mediterranean Basin, at a cost of billions of dollars a year.

• Senator Daniel Inouye has recently (2005) argued Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israeli intelligence to America is greater than that provided by all NATO countries combined, he said.

• Israel's utilization of American arms guarantees its existence, but at the same time gives U.S. military industries, such as Boeing and General Dynamics, a competitive edge compared to European industries, while also boosting American military production, producing American jobs, and improving America's national security. Japan and South Korea, for example, preferred the "Hawkeye" spy plane and the MD-500 chopper, both purchased and upgraded by Israel, over comparable British and French aircraft.

The American industries want U.S. aid to Israel to continue. The bulk of the $1.8 billion in annual U.S. military aid to Israel must be spent in the United States. That provides jobs for some 50,000 U.S. workers. Virtually all of the $1.2 billion in annual economic aid goes for repayment of debt to the United States, incurred from military purchases dating back many years. This debt is now close to being liquidated.

• Innovative Israeli technologies have a similar effect on American civilian, including computer-related industries and agricultural industries, which view Israel as a successful research and development site.

• Members of the U.S. Congress leaders, then Vice President Dick Cheney, and then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld are aware of Israel's unique contribution to U.S. interests. But, in fact, they all wonder why the post-1993 Israel does not use its impressive contribution as leverage, in sharp contrast to the pre-1993 Israel.

• In contrast to our commitments to Korea, Japan, Germany and other parts of the world, not a single American serviceperson needs to be stationed in Israel. Considering that the cost of one serviceperson per year - including backup and infrastructure - is estimated to be about $200,000 per year, and assuming a minimum contingent of 25,000 troops, the cost savings to the United States on that score alone are on the order of $5 billion a year.

So cutting aid to Israel means losing hundreds of billions of dollars worth of intelligence and help, the one actual friendly country in the Middle-East and 50,000 American jobs.

America gets $10 for every dollar it puts in. I'd say that both sides are doing ok.
 
2013-05-05 12:28:16 AM

zamboni: God-is-a-Taco: Hm, those voices sound identical to the ones I've heard in previous Syrian videos. I guess it's the same people, or they're lazy and re-using audio.

The Syrian version of the Wilhelm scream?


Ugh. Ever since I saw that youtube montage of that a few months ago I hear that everywhere. American Dad uses it all the time.
 
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