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2013-05-04 09:24:01 PM
4 votes:

theotherles: And then I decided to quote from my blog:


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Vietnam and Korea were basically dick measuring contests between us, China, and the USSR that eventually meant nothing because capitalism won out in the end, and now the biggest threat to human rights and freedom really isn't communism anymore, but rather unchallenged corporatism. War has become another big government subsidized business, and we keep building tanks we don't need and fighters that will never see combat because it keeps the military industrial complex running.

A truly great man once said: "The best would be this: a life of perpetual fear and tension; a burden of arms draining the wealthand the labor of all peoples; a wasting of strength that defies the American system or the Soviet system or any system to achieve true abundance and happiness for the peoples of this earth.Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms in not spending money alone.It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

Of course, he was probably some dirty hippie peacenik to you.
2013-05-04 09:36:26 PM
3 votes:
The Kent State murders changed my life. I was a typical apolitical student, against the war a little, but at the time not so much. After Kent State I understood that the Republican president of the US, Richard Nixon, intended to kill me for no reason. And I saw the dead in Ohio to prove it. fark the GOP.
2013-05-04 08:55:10 PM
3 votes:

il Dottore: I've got permanent hearing loss from a red neck National Guard rifle butt to the ear for protesting the Viet Nam war. We challenged and changed the cannon fodder paradigm for your parents.

You're Welcome.


The first thing that came to was this:

Two Million dead in Cambodia alone because of your depravity.  Burn in Hell m*h*rf*ck*r.

And then I decided to quote from my blog:

If there is one thing I have certainly noticed, it is that pacifists in general have no objection to enjoying the benefits of civilization but are unwilling to take the measures necessary to defend it from foreign and domestic barbarians. Such as the National Socialists, the Soviet Socialists, and the home grown socialists of the Democratic Party.  Contrary to their general delusion of virtue, pacifists are in effect, moral and political parasites upon civilized society.

Peace in the real world is simply the absence of those -- such as the socialists -- who seek to deprive you, I, and our fellow citizens of our own Life, Liberty, and Property. Real peace can only be achieved by the physical isolation or outright elimination of those who seek to subjugate, plunder and murder us. This can only be done through the use of physical force.  In short, true peace can only be achieved only through the possession of superior firepower and the moral will to use it.

The narcissistic trash that makes up the membership of the so-called peace movement simply do not care whether you and your children live, or die, or suffer under the yoke of an unwashed barbarian. They plaster their cars with bumper sticker, carry signs, bang on drums, throw Frisbees, and perform other useless rituals so that they can feel good about themselves and show the world how morally superior they are. Never mind that they openly deny the fundamental fact which is the foundation of all valid moral law, that Human Life -- life as a rational being in control of one's own life -- is the standard of all moral values, and that those who would damage or destroy Human Life must be removed from human society and if necessary be destroyed.  The adherents of pacifism have so inverted their own mental processes that they look upon the perpetrators of mass slavery and mass murder as good and those who take up arms to defend the society of consent as the most depraved evil.

Now there are some folks, who regard themselves as morally superior beings, who question why the other bastard has to die. The answer of course is that the other bastard is attempting to impose his will, or the will of his leader, upon you by force. It is the act of coercion by force that makes what General Patton called the other bastard an enemy.  Peace is simply the absence of enemies.  But there are some folks, who pretend to be morally superior beings, who would have us believe that "peace" could be achieved by submission to the will of the other bastard. In reality this is not peace, it is slavery.  There are some well meaning people, some of whom that I respect, who believe that there are times that one cannot have both peace and freedom at the same time.  I have to disagree.  Liberty is simply the condition of existence in which the person is free to live his own life in accordance with his own rational judgment. This does of course require the absence of some other bastard who is attempting to impose his will upon the person by force.  In practical terms real peace and real freedom are inseparable. I will go further is saying that to a civilized person, peace, freedom, and security, are simply three words that can be used to describe the identical condition, the absence of another bastard imposing his will upon the civilized person.  Contrary to what those who describe themselves as peace activists would have us believe, and as General Patton has ably demonstrated, the path to real peace invariably takes us over the real dead bodies of those other bastards who insist on violently imposing their will upon us.  Unfortunately this process is by no means a safe one.  Let us take this day to remember those who died on the path to real peace.

A rational study of the real world would show that a real state of Peace is effectively indistinguishable from a state of Liberty and a state of Security. Peace, Liberty, and Security are simply three words that a rational person uses to describe the same condition, the rightful ability to live one's own life without coercive interference by others.  A rational study of actual history would show that the state of peace for the citizens of a free nation is the result of the violent elimination of the would be conquerors and their pet quislings.  If we rationally examine those who constitute the membership of the so-called Peace Movement we find that virtually every one of them is an open advocate of the coercive subjugation of the productive members of the Human Race. The occasional exception being a self-blinded fool who isn't paying attention to what they're ideologically in bed with.  In short, a "peace activist" and the "peace movement" are in fact enemies of Peace.

Peace is only an affirmative value to those who live in the condition of liberty, that is being rightfully in charge of one's self and able to set the goals for one's own life. Peace cannot be a value to the subjects of a totalitarian socialist state. To the victim of such a state -- the ordinary worker who is bullied by a commissar, the inmate of a slave labor camp, or the occupant of a darkened cell awaiting murder at the hands of the local chekists -- war, either an internal uprising against the socialist masters, or an invasion by an army of liberation, is in fact the positive value.
2013-05-04 06:39:19 PM
3 votes:
I've got permanent hearing loss from a red neck National Guard rifle butt to the ear for protesting the Viet Nam war. We challenged and changed the cannon fodder paradigm for your parents.

You're Welcome.
2013-05-04 09:02:59 PM
2 votes:
Altering that photo is seriously disrespectful to the student who died and the woman who lived through it. It also makes light of what was a horrible time in our history.

But this is fark. I shouldn't be surprised.
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2013-05-04 08:40:19 PM
2 votes:

il Dottore: I've got permanent hearing loss from a red neck National Guard rifle butt to the ear for protesting the Viet Nam war. We challenged and changed the cannon fodder paradigm for your parents.

You're Welcome.


fark you i went and served my country, Your Welcome !
2013-05-05 03:13:53 AM
1 votes:

Generation_D: Nidiot: Inaditch: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x537]
World Planking Champion, 1970

Okay, I admit that made me laugh.

Lately all that pic does is remind me of the Boston Bombing photos. It might no have the scattered limbs, but it's still expresses the tragedy of innocent people being killed.


Boston Marathon runners were truly innocents. The Kent State protesters didn't deserve to die, but many were violating various laws and orders to disperse. Arrest would have been justified, except for the fact the National Guard's armory had been set on fire 2 days before by some of these same protesters.


Yeah, but it wasn't only protesters getting shot. some of those poor kids were just waling to and from class. The protests at Berkeley were often the same ways, I've heard from coworkers that sometimes you were walking home from class and suddenly you'd see a bunch of kids running past you and you knew that you had better run with them or your ass was about to get beaten. It was terrifying apparently.
2013-05-04 10:21:51 PM
1 votes:

RepoManTSM: Delay: The Kent State murders changed my life. I was a typical apolitical student, against the war a little, but at the time not so much. After Kent State I understood that the Republican president of the US, Richard Nixon, intended to kill me for no reason. And I saw the dead in Ohio to prove it. fark the GOP.

I'm a Dem, but it started as a Democratic war, but yeah fark Nixon and the GOP for derailing the Paris peace talks and invading Cambodia.


Not apologizing for Nixon, he was a dick.

Remember the context of the times. The Yippies, the SDS, and the Weather Underground had all been advocating for destroying the State. Buildings had been bombed or set on fire by protesters. Amping up the tension and causing the response you see in this famous photograph.

My Grandparents were Chicagoans in 1968. None of them could understand how all these out of town asshats were coming in to blow up their town. Protesters throwing bags of sh*t at cops, wrecking cars and vandalizing. Standard issue protester stuff. Not the kind of thing everyone wants to have handed to them in their front yard by out of towners.

I never quite understood the vitriol they had until I had WTO handed to me in my neighborhood in 1999. My building was surrounded by police for 4 days, out of town violent street protesters were out smashing windows and stealing things every night. Along with the many thousands of peaceful protesters, there was an evil aggressive sh*tty contingent that I saw first hand and saw ample evidence of throughout WTO. Brickthrowers Local 666 Eugene. People coming to my home to f*ck it up.

So ever since even if the cause is right, anything other than a peaceful protest has tended to have me be siding with the cops, as wrong as that is. Why? Because the cops are just doing their jobs, often forced to earn overtime and work double shifts, often with bad contingency plans, often with political high ups screwing up the chain of command. Always with the "eyes of the world" judging their every move. And nobody ever blames the asshat out of town protesters. A good cause can be turned bad by only a few dozen aggressive fire-lighting window-breaking asshats. I've seen it. Saw it just 3 days ago again, in fact. Seattle has become permanent annual WTO re-enactment zone. I still live where I see this first hand. I still side with police. Not because I don't think the worlds screwed up, it definitely is, but the facile and idiotic "Anarchists" offer nothing but destruction. I am "the enemy" to them, and always will be. I'm a successful middle class individual. To them, a sell out syncophant tool of the evil State.
2013-05-04 10:11:58 PM
1 votes:

Nidiot: Inaditch: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x537]
World Planking Champion, 1970

Okay, I admit that made me laugh.

Lately all that pic does is remind me of the Boston Bombing photos. It might no have the scattered limbs, but it's still expresses the tragedy of innocent people being killed.



Boston Marathon runners were truly innocents. The Kent State protesters didn't deserve to die, but many were violating various laws and orders to disperse. Arrest would have been justified, except for the fact the National Guard's armory had been set on fire 2 days before by some of these same protesters.
2013-05-04 09:56:06 PM
1 votes:

Delay: The Kent State murders changed my life. I was a typical apolitical student, against the war a little, but at the time not so much. After Kent State I understood that the Republican president of the US, Richard Nixon, intended to kill me for no reason. And I saw the dead in Ohio to prove it. fark the GOP.


How very egocentric! You really believed that Nixon wanted you dead? And with all the armed might of the United States military at his disposal, he was unable to achieve his one true aim? Wow, suddenly 20th century history makes total sense! It's ALL ABOUT YOU!
2013-05-04 08:05:32 PM
1 votes:

sloshed_again: I hated the fact the GOV wouldn't let us win the war.


And how, pray tell, would you have "won the war"?
2013-05-04 08:03:38 PM
1 votes:

Inaditch: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 800x537]
World Planking Champion, 1970


Okay, I admit that made me laugh.

Lately all that pic does is remind me of the Boston Bombing photos. It might no have the scattered limbs, but it's still expresses the tragedy of innocent people being killed.
2013-05-04 07:31:37 PM
1 votes:

rattchett: Did you continue to protest the war once the draft was eliminated?


I never protested that war.  I was in the lottery so i didn't get called.

My brother was in a hospital in Austin for a year getting his leg fitted.

I would have gone but my mother protested.

I hated the fact the GOV wouldn't let us win the war.
2013-05-04 07:26:14 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: bugmn99: Did he died?

And if so, isn't posting pictures of corpses against the Fark TOS?


Favorite hobby of Fark powers-that-be? Moving goalposts.
2013-05-04 07:21:47 PM
1 votes:

Nidiot: il Dottore: I've got permanent hearing loss from a red neck National Guard rifle butt to the ear for protesting the Viet Nam war. We challenged and changed the cannon fodder paradigm for your parents.

You're Welcome.

I'd click on the Thank You button if there was one.


Did you continue to protest the war once the draft was eliminated?
2013-05-04 07:19:05 PM
1 votes:

Lorelle: The Establishment has enacted laws that criminalize texting while driving.


Good.

It's worse than Vietnam.

If I was a Nam vet I'd be outraged at that comment.
2013-05-04 07:11:35 PM
1 votes:

nekom: insert Neil Young lyrics here


Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
2013-05-04 06:56:05 PM
1 votes:

il Dottore: I've got permanent hearing loss from a red neck National Guard rifle butt to the ear for protesting the Viet Nam war. We challenged and changed the cannon fodder paradigm for your parents.

You're Welcome.


The all-volunteer army is a big part of whats wrong with this country. It allows wars of attrition to be started with impunity by leaders unafraid of massive dispute by the public at large. I cite the hippie movement as responsible for Be All You Can Be and the current trend of sending in the troops every time some asshat like Cheney has a hard on for war.

Unintended consequence of your mighty protests.
2013-05-04 06:41:33 PM
1 votes:
Live ammo during a protest. Ah the good old days.
2013-05-04 06:31:59 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: Krieghund: bugmn99: Did he died?

And if so, isn't posting pictures of corpses against the Fark TOS?

Ah. That was a "well known tragedy", so it isn't forbidden. Just frowned upon (heh).


Apparently History (and/or Art) can trump clutched pearls and thought-of children.

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2013-05-04 06:19:24 PM
1 votes:

bugmn99: Did he died?


And if so, isn't posting pictures of corpses against the Fark TOS?
2013-05-04 06:08:48 PM
1 votes:
Served the filthy hippies right.
2013-05-04 04:11:44 PM
1 votes:

nekom: insert Neil Young lyrics here


Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
 
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