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2013-05-04 09:14:16 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Your Average Witty Fark User: eraser8: I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?

Exactly this. Act like you've scored/won before. Don't act like a biatch.

/ALL celebrations of all types should be considered excessive.
//Never celebrated after a TD, just handed the ball off to the nearest ref

Barry? Barry Sanders? Is that you? You're the best, man.


Ha. Funny. But I was raised with sportsmanship. When you win, be gracious. When you lose, be gracious. Always act like you've been there, always respect your opponent.
 
2013-05-04 09:31:46 PM

camelclub: Political correctness is farking everything up.

People that enforce or encourage political correctness are douchbags.


We had "political correctness" back when I was young too.  Back then, we called it "being polite."

Go ahead and use derogatory terms for people; nobody can stop you.  There are no PC word police.  But be aware that everyone will know that you're an asshole.  Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
 
2013-05-04 09:40:32 PM

EatenTheSun: Man, that's a really low threshold for "excessive".

Subby, what school prohibits religious expression by the individual student?


Yeah, "pointing at the sky" is "excessive"??? I can understand not wanting those asinine touchdown dances that were popular for a while, but pointing at the sky? WTF?

Next time: Teen smiles after setting world record, is banned for life from competition.
 
2013-05-04 09:44:49 PM
And the lesson he learned this day is that there are a lot of ass holes in the world.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-04 09:48:59 PM

Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful


Christians aren't being persecuted, they're just afraid people are going to start treating them like they've treated everyone else.
 
2013-05-04 09:49:46 PM
  Ahhh, how sweet, the spirit of sportsmanship is.
 
2013-05-04 09:50:06 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Your Average Witty Fark User: eraser8: I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?

Exactly this. Act like you've scored/won before. Don't act like a biatch.

/ALL celebrations of all types should be considered excessive.
//Never celebrated after a TD, just handed the ball off to the nearest ref

Barry? Barry Sanders? Is that you? You're the best, man.

Ha. Funny. But I was raised with sportsmanship. When you win, be gracious. When you lose, be gracious. Always act like you've been there, always respect your opponent.


Sure, I'm just okay with a bit of leeway between the ideal and the punishment. I think the trigger for DQ should be somewhere beyond a kid's momentary display of excitement about winning a race or scoring a TD. I question whether it is helpful to require kids to maintain a professional detachment (particularly when we don't demand that from actual professionals).

/Sanders really was the best
 
2013-05-04 09:54:14 PM
Hasn't a couple thousand years of history taught us that doing something wrong in the name of religion doesn't magically make it right?
 
2013-05-04 09:59:08 PM
truthseeker2083
Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful
Christians aren't being persecuted, they're just afraid people are going to start treating them like they've treated everyone else.


Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like a dumbass
 
2013-05-04 10:11:09 PM

utah dude: utah dude: laid back w/bud light: win?????   The pussification of this generation of kids marches on.

well, you're obviously a bigoted racist male hatemonger. please leave my country and let us create a newer and better society without you.

we should hang out.



with yourself? forget your alt?
 
2013-05-04 10:14:28 PM

Gdalescrboz: truthseeker2083
Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful
Christians aren't being persecuted, they're just afraid people are going to start treating them like they've treated everyone else.

Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like a dumbass


I give you the same advice. And he wasn't dq'd for being a devil-dodger. He was dq'd for being a flagrant prick.... Then again, I guess you could say that's the same thing.
 
2013-05-04 10:16:19 PM

Gdalescrboz: truthseeker2083
Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful
Christians aren't being persecuted, they're just afraid people are going to start treating them like they've treated everyone else.

Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like a dumbass


And by the way... I'm sure jesus would be so proud of the type of language and attitude you've shown. I'm sure that's precisely how he would act.
 
2013-05-04 10:19:13 PM

Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful


Who are you talking to?
Give me a list of "Christian haters" that said pointing to the sky is disrespectful.
Or did you just make it up?
 
2013-05-04 10:20:28 PM
They should stop being happy when they win.
 
2013-05-04 10:25:26 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [newsblogs.chicagotribune.com image 850x654]


That cartoon sure makes that fictional old-timey reporter look like a hypocrite.
Ohhhh I get it, that's supposed to represent how the "lame stream" media is always telling Tebow to keep it to himself!
That happens all the time!
Hurp Durp.
 
2013-05-04 10:44:24 PM
But, religious expression deserves special dispensation because Jesus.

Because in the United States of the Offended, if you point at the sky after a victory, you can be accused of being overtly religious then you'll be punished. This young man was....for pointing at the sky.
2nd place now First place guy will always know he didn't win, it was given to him.
 
2013-05-04 10:45:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mikey1969: This is absolutely stupid for two reasons :1. He pointed at the sky, he didn't do a 30 second victory dance and tell the other team to such his disk, etc... 2. God(if he exists) doesn't follow sports

and how do you know this?

and crop like that, this always annoys me.
You have my sympathies.  It is sad that someone could even be mildly annoyed by something like that.
I hope you feel better.


Yeah, any time a self righteous prick tries tortellini me that an omniscient being has decided to favor his/her athletic performance over everyone else's, it bothers me. Especially with all the broken shirt on this planet a supposed "god" could fix.

Motherfarker's 'Honey-Do' list is a light year long, and he's watching a track meet or a football game? You people may just be the stupidest shiatheads I've EVER met....
 
2013-05-04 10:46:27 PM
I guess the runner should have celebrated by coming out of the closet. I hear that the coolest thing an athlete can do these days
 
2013-05-04 10:51:16 PM

FatherChaos: [commonsenseatheism.com image 600x265]

/oblig


A: Guess which one didn't pray to Jesus' daddy?
 
2013-05-04 10:53:40 PM

Brick-House: And the lesson he learned this day is that there are a lot of ass holes in the world.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312]


Came hear for this, or any of the iconic shots of runners crossing the line in the big race, pointing skyward with both arms raised.
 
2013-05-04 10:55:11 PM

stirfrybry: I guess the runner should have celebrated by coming out of the closet. I hear that the coolest thing an athlete can do these days


It's rare. Rare is valuable. Make zealotry rare, and it might get interesting in small doses, years and years from now.
 
2013-05-04 10:56:33 PM

Kurmudgeon: But, religious expression deserves special dispensation because Jesus.

Because in the United States of the Offended, if you point at the sky after a victory, you can be accused of being overtly religious then you'll be punished. This young man was....for pointing at the sky.
2nd place now First place guy will always know he didn't win, it was given to him.


By God.
 
2013-05-04 10:58:04 PM

Begoggle: Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful

Who are you talking to?
Give me a list of "Christian haters" that said pointing to the sky is disrespectful.
Or did you just make it up?


goatleggedfellow: Quite sure that the sky pointing is not humble and Jesus-like. Praising God as you finish is taunting everyone else by saying God favored you and not them. It's an insult, regardless of the other runner's faiths.

The refs couldn't have been punishing him for being a Christian because he wasn't being one.

 
2013-05-04 11:19:14 PM
Truth seeker
Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like adumbs
And by the way... I'm sure jesus would be so proud of the type of language and attitude you've shown. I'm sure that's precisely how he would act.


Bro I'm not a Christian.  I'm just a person capable of seeing the retardedneas on both sides.  This time the massive amount of retardedneas is being spouted by people who dislike Christians so much they are DQing entire teams for a kid pointing to the sky and claiming he's celebrating to much while clowns like you defend them.  Get over yourself douchebag
 
2013-05-04 11:25:08 PM
Begoggle  
Gdalescrboz: Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful
Who are you talking to?
Give me a list of "Christian haters" that said pointing to the sky is disrespectful.
Or did you just make it up?


This took me all of 30seonds of scrolling down from the top of the thread.  If you think there aren't haters who genuinely want to see bad things happen to Christians for no other reason than they are Christian, no matter how petty the reason is, you're a full blown retard.

No Time To Explain 
Good
/God didn't get you the win, and if you think the almighty did, he also gave you the disqualification


//mysterious ways
 
2013-05-04 11:32:37 PM
Yeah, I definitely thought the team got to go to Dairy Queen because he pointed to the sky.
 
2013-05-04 11:32:50 PM
It's a bird, it's a plane ...
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-04 11:44:00 PM
Since we're playing the guessing game in this thread, let me throw my own hypothesis out there.

He crossed the line
Pointed at the sky
Official told him to watch it
He mouthed off
DQ for disrespect.

I'm sure it's because he's Christian. We all know how much Texas hates Christianity and will do anything to hurt its followers.
 
2013-05-04 11:44:55 PM
He should have claimed it was show of support for Jason Collins being the greatest American here in the history of ever. Then he'd have not only not been disqualified, he'd have shamed the other runners and officials for not acknowledging Jason Collins as the greatest hero in American history.
 
2013-05-04 11:51:50 PM

Brick-House: And the lesson he learned this day is that there are a lot of ass holes in the world.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312]


And they were both ejected from the games, so I'm not sure what your point is.
 
2013-05-05 12:07:58 AM
This article is very thin on details but one thing that was made very clear is that he was not disqualified for religious reasons. Repeat ... not disqualified for religious reasons.

Now I see a lot of christians crying persecution and attacking everyone who tries to point this out to them ... because that is what Jesus would do. But this is a state with a very high percentage of christians ... chances are that the judges were christians.

Stop with all the hate for a second and look at the evidence (that's the stuff reasonable people use to prove things). What little evidence there is says religion was not a factor.

Now wipe the spittle off your monitors and calm down until you actually have some evidence of persecution.
 
2013-05-05 12:32:13 AM

Farking Canuck: This article is very thin on details but one thing that was made very clear is that he was not disqualified for religious reasons. Repeat ... not disqualified for religious reasons.

Now I see a lot of christians crying persecution and attacking everyone who tries to point this out to them ... because that is what Jesus would do. But this is a state with a very high percentage of christians ... chances are that the judges were christians.

Stop with all the hate for a second and look at the evidence (that's the stuff reasonable people use to prove things). What little evidence there is says religion was not a factor.

Now wipe the spittle off your monitors and calm down until you actually have some evidence of persecution.


You want us to use reason? You know what that leads to.
 
2013-05-05 12:40:50 AM
Farming Canuck

I think the problem most people, myself anyways, have with this incident is that pointing to the sky is now considered excessive celebration.  Come the fark on.  What's next? Giving your mom a hug after winning? Fist pumping? Smiling?  Honestly, we don't know if it was a question of religion.  Maybe the ref doesn't like Christians and used is as a chance to harass one, who knows, that's the problem with refs being able to interpret these kinds of "excessive celebration" rules.  They are similar to zero tolerance policies, they achieve nothing and only punish people who aren't really doing anything that would normally warrant a second glance.
 
2013-05-05 12:47:06 AM
Imagine if he'd crossed the finish line and yelled 'Allahu akbar!"
 
2013-05-05 01:34:09 AM

propasaurus: You want us to use reason? You know what that leads to.


Yeah I saw that. Faux News is life imitating art - they have become Idiocracy.
 
2013-05-05 01:39:53 AM

Gdalescrboz: I think the problem most people, myself anyways, have with this incident is that pointing to the sky is now considered excessive celebration.


Yes ... this goes back to the "thin on details" thing I mentioned. This author of this article clearly implies it was the pointing to the sky but the quote from the race officials says "behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials".

Surprisingly the author of the article does not elaborate on this little detail of "behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials" ... instead he whips his christian readers into a whole torches and pitchforks froth. What would jesus do? Just read the thread and see what "good christians" do.
 
2013-05-05 02:01:19 AM

TexasRedbud: He wasn't disqualified for religious demonstration.   The argument is being made that he should be excused because it was religious.  I really do not have an opinion  about that.   I do not think it matters why he raised his arms.

I want to know when raising your hands / arms at the end of a race became 'excessive celebration'?    How sensitive does the losing team have to be to be intimidated by the raising of arms?    Have we, as a society become such a bunch of complete wusses that we can be so easily offended?     And I have always wanted to ask,  ' when did it become a 'right' to not be offended.   If you are offended so easily,  stay home.

If watching the winner of a race raise his arms puts you off, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?


Don't you see? Letting children celebrate after winning anything is a gateway to prostitution and encourages pre-marital sex. Why not just hand them heroin and a shotgun at the finish line while your at it?

/agree entirely with you
//quit making new make punishments for non-violent behavior
 
2013-05-05 02:12:55 AM

PapaChester: downstairs: Its showboating, and its been against the rules in high school and college forever.  Argue the rule all you want, but its the rule.

This. When you have to make a rule or law, you don't make it vague or tread in a proverbial grey area. Either it is all in or all out.

Stupid kid is stupid. Cross the line, small wave to the crowd.

Don't thank your god, she didn't do anything.


I bet you both were picked on. Its the only reason why you'd be so uptight!
 
2013-05-05 03:20:35 AM
My my my. Lots of "protesting too much" in this thread.

LOL!
 
2013-05-05 03:38:25 AM

FloydA: If the rules say "no dancing around," you can't dance around.  Being very fond of Jesus does not exempt you from the rules.  This isn't prison; you don't get special privileges just for being religious.


Actually, prison is a pretty good analogy for school.
 
2013-05-05 03:40:31 AM
This has nothing to do with religion but the retarded rules people have made regarding celebrations. We've seen touchdowns called back because a kid started to fist pump and realized he wasn't allowed to and stopped. Any sign of being happy with what you did can cost you the game. It's absurd, but it's nothing to do with religion.
 
2013-05-05 04:13:54 AM

Reenactment of the heinous unsportsmanlike event.



Disgusting.

Athletics is a calm, tempered activity with no room for expressions of pride, celebration, and passion. If your team wins, great, but keep it to yourself because that's not something you should be telling people about.
 
2013-05-05 05:22:07 AM

vygramul: FloydA: If the rules say "no dancing around," you can't dance around.  Being very fond of Jesus does not exempt you from the rules.  This isn't prison; you don't get special privileges just for being religious.

Actually, prison is a pretty good analogy for school.


And for society in general.
 
2013-05-05 05:41:44 AM

vygramul: This has nothing to do with religion but the retarded rules people have made regarding celebrations. We've seen touchdowns called back because a kid started to fist pump and realized he wasn't allowed to and stopped. Any sign of being happy with what you did can cost you the game. It's absurd, but it's nothing to do with religion.


And this again.

Look, we can all agree that the over the top NFL celebrations were getting completely out of hand, but these zero tolerance rules of ANY display of "celebration" have gone entirely too far in the other direction. What's next, smiling because you won? Merely coming in first? Sure, we don't want athletes being rude and in-your-face because they won, but is having a bench full of unsmiling Soviet-era robots really better?
 
2013-05-05 06:04:26 AM
At least around here, high school sports are VERY strict about celebratory displays, religious or not. We're talking BENIGN stuff here. This has nothing to do with religion. They react the same whether you point at the sky or strike a pose or do a backflip, it's all considered unsportsmanlike boasting.

So this is just an "oppressed" christian trying to act like a martyr.
 
2013-05-05 06:13:15 AM

Gdalescrboz: Truth seeker
Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like adumbs
And by the way... I'm sure jesus would be so proud of the type of language and attitude you've shown. I'm sure that's precisely how he would act.

Bro I'm not a Christian.  I'm just a person capable of seeing the retardedneas on both sides.  This time the massive amount of retardedneas is being spouted by people who dislike Christians so much they are DQing entire teams for a kid pointing to the sky and claiming he's celebrating to much while clowns like you defend them.  Get over yourself douchebag


Meh, maybe if christians hadn't made it their goal to interfere and try to legislate everyone else's lives, there wouldn't be so much animosity towards them even in youth sports. As it is, I'm glad the little prick got dq'd for not following the rules, and his little 'but jebus' defense didn't work. And I'm over myself thanks, but you can take that douchebag that you called me and maybe use it to get the sand out of your twat.
 
2013-05-05 06:34:51 AM
How about this one?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-05 07:21:01 AM
Maybe he was alerting everyone to an impending drone strike.
 
2013-05-05 07:32:23 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: ThrobblefootSpectre: EatenTheSun: Man, that's a really low threshold for "excessive".

Yeah.  And vague.  It's like a homeowners association fining someone because they don't like the way you look, and using any rule to vaguely cover the decision.  Frightened little would-be morality police grab power in whatever little ways they can.

the rule they cited does not even say excessive celebration
Here is the wording of the rule they claimed he broke: 4-6-1
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. "



fla·grant [fley-gruhnt]
adjective
1. shockingly noticeable or evident; obvious; glaring

So yeah, it could apply.

/Still a retarded rule to be applied to pointing to the sky
 
2013-05-05 07:36:53 AM

truthseeker2083: Gdalescrboz: Truth seeker
Worst. Rebuttal. Evar.  Are Christians demanding teams be DQ'd for similar shiat or are you just grasping at straws? Ya, you're grasping at straws.  Just admit this is ridiculous so you don't continue to make yourself look like adumbs
And by the way... I'm sure jesus would be so proud of the type of language and attitude you've shown. I'm sure that's precisely how he would act.

Bro I'm not a Christian.  I'm just a person capable of seeing the retardedneas on both sides.  This time the massive amount of retardedneas is being spouted by people who dislike Christians so much they are DQing entire teams for a kid pointing to the sky and claiming he's celebrating to much while clowns like you defend them.  Get over yourself douchebag

Meh, maybe if christians hadn't made it their goal to interfere and try to legislate everyone else's lives, there wouldn't be so much animosity towards them even in youth sports. As it is, I'm glad the little prick got dq'd for not following the rules, and his little 'but jebus' defense didn't work. And I'm over myself thanks, but you can take that douchebag that you called me and maybe use it to get the sand out of your twat.


You're a douche
 
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