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2013-05-04 07:18:50 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".


Stop making things up.

Read your own post, moron.


finish reading what I wrote.
By the way, there is NOTHING in the rule they cited against "excessive celebration"

/name calling?  Really?? You didn't even read what I wrote.
//at least pretend you know how to read before launching a personal attack.
 
2013-05-04 07:19:18 PM  
Mrtraveler01
... has nothing to do with religion right?
Bullshiat.

people have been doing silly TD celebrations for decades. Some QB drops to his knee last season and there's 400 FARK threads with whiny little bigots complaining.

It is about religious bigotry. You're just a lair.
 
2013-05-04 07:21:00 PM  

Joe USer: It's called unsportsmanlike conduct, you don't act like an idiot on the field. You can make an idiot of yourself afterwards.


And we're done. The motivation behind your unsportsmanlike conduct is irrelevant - the conduct itself is the issue, and it did break Texas high school sport rules.
 
2013-05-04 07:21:36 PM  
If the kid had made a Peace sign, the support of the FARK bigots herein would not be the same.
 
2013-05-04 07:22:07 PM  
The part folks seem to gloss over:

The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion.

I suspect there's a bit more here than just "I pointed at my sky-fairy."
 
2013-05-04 07:23:12 PM  
All he did was to imply that god liked him more than everyone else.
 
2013-05-04 07:24:04 PM  

OnlyM3: If the kid had made a Peace sign, the support of the FARK bigots herein would not be the same.


If the kid had made a peace sign, this wouldn't have made the news - he simply would've been disqualified.

In Texas, mind you. Y'know, clearly the land of anti-Christian sentiment.
 
2013-05-04 07:27:07 PM  

utah dude: laid back w/bud light: win?????   The pussification of this generation of kids marches on.

well, you're obviously a bigoted racist male hatemonger. please leave my country and let us create a newer and better society without you.


we should hang out.
 
2013-05-04 07:27:22 PM  
propasaurus


[ help_i'm_being_oppressed.jpg ]
Funny you try that line as the team was banned for "oppressing" the others.
 
2013-05-04 07:30:13 PM  

semiotix: Without wading into the whole oh so delightful atheism/religion farkfest once again, my guess is that 99% of the story has nothing to do with what was reported.

I'm guessing that he'd severely pissed off the officials in some other fashion, or someone else on his team had, or someone at some point came to that race bound and determined to stir up some shiat one way or another, and this is the end result.

Just a guess, but there's a lot of psychodrama at any youth athletic event, most of it in the heads of people NOT competing.


I agree, sounds like a grudge about something totally unrelated, perhaps involving the coach or the school, got vented in this childish and ridiculous way by the judges.

This is why I don't enjoy the so-called 'sports' where the judging decides the winner, like gymnastics or any of the various kinds of dance.

Even a good boxing match can be screwed up, when it goes to the judges.

Sad to see this mentality leaking over into something usually so clear as winning a race.
 
2013-05-04 07:32:48 PM  

FormlessOne: The part folks seem to gloss over:

The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion.

I suspect there's a bit more here than just "I pointed at my sky-fairy."


Nope.
They claimed that they convened after seeing him point his finger.  Not after he was disrespectful.
They are using that wild act of excessive celebration as a way to explain how he was being disrespectful.
 
2013-05-04 07:33:51 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: machodonkeywrestler: tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".

Stop making things up.

Read your own post, moron.

finish reading what I wrote.
By the way, there is NOTHING in the rule they cited against "excessive celebration"

/name calling?  Really?? You didn't even read what I wrote.
//at least pretend you know how to read before launching a personal attack.


I get it now, you're just delusional. If you can't see where the two bolded selections (one of which is at the end [i.e. finish] of what you wrote) are equivalent then there really is no help for you
 
2013-05-04 07:34:20 PM  

FormlessOne: Joe USer: It's called unsportsmanlike conduct, you don't act like an idiot on the field. You can make an idiot of yourself afterwards.

And we're done. The motivation behind your unsportsmanlike conduct is irrelevant - the conduct itself is the issue, and it did break Texas high school sport rules.


Meh.
Here is the wording of the rule they claimed he broke: 4-6-1
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. Itincludes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrantbehavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directedtoward someone. "
 
2013-05-04 07:34:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Fallout Boy: Fark atheists give /r/atheism a run for their money.

You know this story has nothing to do with religion right?

But I guess you have to nurse that persecution complex that some Christians seem to have somehow.


What are you talking about? I am referring to the farkers in this thread who didn't RTFA and said that he deserved to be DQed because he thanked god, and not because it was excessive celebration.

Listen, I know that part of your job as an internet atheist is to jump on anyone that appear to disagree with the world view that you have perfectly figured out, often before giving yourself the time to rub your two brain cells together, but next time, do me a favor and drop that "you are with us or against us" bullshiat. Just because I disagree with atheists in this thread doesn't automatically make me a Christian.
 
2013-05-04 07:35:30 PM  
In other news, America spends waaaaaaayyyyy too much time caring about high school sports
 
2013-05-04 07:45:16 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".

Stop making things up.


Ooooooh!   Using the button is fun!  Look, I can do it, too!  So, nyah.
 
2013-05-04 07:48:07 PM  

mr_a: Somehow in the list of things wrong with the world, a high-school athlete pointing to the sky in front of the judges just doesn't seem all that bad.

Depending on which finger he pointed with...


Somehow in the list of things wrong with the world, a high-school athletics organization enforcing a generally applicable rule in a non-discriminatory way against an athlete who indisputably violated it just doesn't seem all that bad.
 
2013-05-04 07:48:49 PM  
Perhaps they were upset that he was acknowledging the theory that the earth rotates about the sun.
 
2013-05-04 07:52:14 PM  

cmb53208: In other news, America spends waaaaaaayyyyy too much time caring about high school sports


↑↑↑↑THIS↑↑↑↑

  Or in other words,   it's sports:
 
2013-05-04 07:53:21 PM  

ZeroCorpse: cmb53208: In other news, America spends waaaaaaayyyyy too much time caring about high school sports


↑↑↑↑THIS↑↑↑↑

  Or in other words,   it's sports:

www.fairfaxunderground.com
 
2013-05-04 07:53:33 PM  

EatenTheSun: Man, that's a really low threshold for "excessive".


Yeah.  And vague.  It's like a homeowners association fining someone because they don't like the way you look, and using any rule to vaguely cover the decision.  Frightened little would-be morality police grab power in whatever little ways they can.
 
2013-05-04 07:57:26 PM  
Some sports are real anal retentive about things. We had a local hs track 4x400 relay team dq'd because one of the team members was wearing white sliders instead of black sliders.

I've heard of a hs swim team that was dq'd for shaving in the locker room.

Rules are rules I guess.
 
2013-05-04 07:57:56 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: FormlessOne: The part folks seem to gloss over:

The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion.

I suspect there's a bit more here than just "I pointed at my sky-fairy."

Nope.
They claimed that they convened after seeing him point his finger.  Not after he was disrespectful.
They are using that wild act of excessive celebration as a way to explain how he was being disrespectful.


Yeah. I can't imagine a jock being disrespectful. What a shocker.
 
2013-05-04 08:01:38 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

/what are we talking about?
 
2013-05-04 08:07:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".


Stop making things up.

Ooooooh!   Using the button is fun!  Look, I can do it, too!  So, nyah.


yeah, great you learned how to use that.  too bad you didn't learn how to read what I farking wrote.

btw, there is nothing in the rule they cited against "excessive celebration"
 
2013-05-04 08:09:49 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: EatenTheSun: Man, that's a really low threshold for "excessive".

Yeah.  And vague.  It's like a homeowners association fining someone because they don't like the way you look, and using any rule to vaguely cover the decision.  Frightened little would-be morality police grab power in whatever little ways they can.


the rule they cited does not even say excessive celebration
Here is the wording of the rule they claimed he broke: 4-6-1
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. "
 
2013-05-04 08:13:30 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: there really is no help for you


The only thing that helps is the ignore function.
 
pla
2013-05-04 08:13:58 PM  
What gives with this annoying "unsportsmanlike behavior" BS?  A contest has a winner and a loser.  How he acts after winning may affect his PR, but the kid still won.  End of farking story.  Sorry that you goddamned nannies won't stop until everyone wears a chain so they all need to cross the finish line together, but sports means WINNING.  Not humility.

He won.  Change the books all you want, but everyone will remember the "official" winners as "oh yeah, those LOSERS who advanced a slot on a technicality".

Pathetic.  We deserve the asteroid.
 
2013-05-04 08:15:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".

Stop making things up.

Ooooooh!   Using the button is fun!  Look, I can do it, too!  So, nyah.

yeah, great you learned how to use that.  too bad you didn't learn how to read what I farking wrote.

btw, there is nothing in the rule they cited against "excessive celebration"


LOL - that poor chicken
 
2013-05-04 08:16:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
I'm guessing this is what was in the sky, and we just witnessed more Superdickery.
 
2013-05-04 08:17:29 PM  

cmb53208: In other news, America spends waaaaaaayyyyy too much time caring about high school sports


Mostly only people in high school or the parents of people in high school.
 
2013-05-04 08:18:47 PM  
This is absolutely stupid for two reasons :1. He pointed at the sky, he didn't do a 30 second victory dance and tell the other team to such his disk, etc... 2. God(if he exists) doesn't follow sports and crop like that, this always annoys me.
 
2013-05-04 08:27:34 PM  
I truly disrespect people that do shiat like this almost to the point of hate.

I could easily punch them repeatedly.
 
2013-05-04 08:28:19 PM  
newsblogs.chicagotribune.com
 
2013-05-04 08:32:09 PM  
Wow ... the officials from this very religious state say that they have no rules against religious displays and they explicitly say that this decision has nothing to do with religion.

And yet look at this thread full of hate spewing out of fark "christians".

"I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
- Mahatma Ghandi
 
2013-05-04 08:36:04 PM  

Mikey1969: This is absolutely stupid for two reasons :1. He pointed at the sky, he didn't do a 30 second victory dance and tell the other team to such his disk, etc... 2. God(if he exists) doesn't follow sports

and how do you know this?

and crop like that, this always annoys me.

You have my sympathies.  It is sad that someone could even be mildly annoyed by something like that.
I hope you feel better.
 
2013-05-04 08:37:45 PM  

Farking Canuck: Wow ... the officials from this very religious state say that they have no rules against religious displays and they explicitly say that this decision has nothing to do with religion.

And yet look at this thread full of hate spewing out of fark "christians".

"I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
- Mahatma Ghandi


Why would someone care about what a bigot like Ghandi likes?
 
2013-05-04 08:39:29 PM  

fusillade762: machodonkeywrestler: there really is no help for you

The only thing that helps is the ignore function.


Sometimes I am tempted to ignore people, but I always resist the temptation.
 
2013-05-04 08:39:52 PM  
Wow, the Christian haters are really stretching it.  Pointing to the sky is disrespectful?  Then you want to complain when Hannity cries about Christians being prosecuted.  He's got a point when pointing to the sky is considered disrespectful
 
2013-05-04 08:41:46 PM  

eraser8: I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?


Exactly this. Act like you've scored/won before. Don't act like a biatch.

/ALL celebrations of all types should be considered excessive.
//Never celebrated after a TD, just handed the ball off to the nearest ref
 
2013-05-04 08:44:06 PM  

OnlyM3: propasaurus


[ help_i'm_being_oppressed.jpg ]
Funny you try that line as the team was banned for "oppressing" the others.


You're not very good at this.
 
2013-05-04 08:46:22 PM  
so, superman or slime creatures from outer space/?
 
2013-05-04 08:47:21 PM  

TexasRedbud: He wasn't disqualified for religious demonstration.   The argument is being made that he should be excused because it was religious.  I really do not have an opinion  about that.   I do not think it matters why he raised his arms.

I want to know when raising your hands / arms at the end of a race became 'excessive celebration'?    How sensitive does the losing team have to be to be intimidated by the raising of arms?    Have we, as a society become such a bunch of complete wusses that we can be so easily offended?     And I have always wanted to ask,  ' when did it become a 'right' to not be offended.   If you are offended so easily,  stay home.

If watching the winner of a race raise his arms puts you off, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?



If you know the rules but refuse to follow them, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?
 
2013-05-04 08:47:56 PM  
I'm hungry for Dairy Queen now.
 
2013-05-04 08:56:06 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The All-Powerful Atheismo: betelgeux: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

Maybe I spent too much time in math and science classes in college and neglected my reading, but I must ask you where in the article does it mention he acted like an asshole?

Well there is the part where the officials said they did it because he was being disrespectful to them.

This rule has been around awhile, so the event probably went down as such:

"I'm gonna do it if I win."
"You better not."
"I'm gonna do it if I win..."
"I am strongly warning you against that..."


Wait, so we're now divining a conversation which happened between the athlete and someone, maybe an official at the race?  What if I speculate the conversation went like this
Judge 1:  I frakking hate my life, my whore of a wife is banging my neighbor.

Judge 2:  I hear you man.  My life is no bed of roses either, my daughter is pregnant by a dead beat
                 in-and-out of jail bozo.

Judge 1:  Did you see what that a-hole did on the track?  He pointed to the sky, in a non-threatening
                 manner, it was almost imperceptible, but I saw him point to the sky!

Judge 2:  That shiat is ridiculous, I want to disqualify him and his entire team.  Christians are such pricks
                 for flaunting it and forcing it into our faces all the time.

Judge 1:  I agree, he's probably affiliated with that Westboro Baptist Church.  Disqualified, indeed!

I mean, if we're making shiat up, why is your story any more probable than mine?  I'm not a christian, religious, or spiritual.  Maybe that's why I don't get pissed off when someone whispers a prayer, or thanks a god for luck.  It doesn't hurt me, and it's not excessive if it went down exactly as described in the article (which is all I have to go on).
 
2013-05-04 08:59:09 PM  

FormlessOne: The part folks seem to gloss over:

The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion.

I suspect there's a bit more here than just "I pointed at my sky-fairy."


I suspect that, if there were more here, the kind of officials who describe "the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger" would have no trouble specifying the actual additional behavior instead of just characterizing it as disrespectful. I suspect that if pressed they would say the kid looked at the officials in a way they didn't like (or alternatively admit that their wording is misleading and the gesture and disrespectful behavior were one and the same).

I doubt there's a religious angle here. Mostly it looks like prick officials jumping at a chance to fark someone with overzealously enforcement of a stupid rule.
 
2013-05-04 09:05:12 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: As you so eloquently put, he should be allowed to act like an idiot "afterwards" is exactly what he did. He crossed the line, thus the race has ended.


Sorry, no.  I did athletics (track and field) in my youth in not-America and you are not off the field until you are off the field.  As in off it.  Not "past the finish line" but physically off the playing field and in the stands.

Rules of conduct apply until you are off the field.  You can get disqualified if you leave your lane without permission or walk back over the finish line to leave the track after a race, or exit the circle (in the throwing events) through the front instead of the back, or before your throw has landed.  That's how sensitive athletics is to behaviour.

This is not some new-fangled American snowflakes thing.  The IAAF rulebook is pretty hefty and old as balls and if you are involved in track and field you know this.  This kid knew this.

Professional athletes in general though - especially in America which is attention whore showboat central - set a very poor example of sportsmanship with their behaviour.  For example in professional track meets the runners almost always leave their lanes when they finish running - sometimes straight in front of another runner.  That would probably get you disqualified in a school meet.
 
2013-05-04 09:05:56 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: eraser8: I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?

Exactly this. Act like you've scored/won before. Don't act like a biatch.

/ALL celebrations of all types should be considered excessive.
//Never celebrated after a TD, just handed the ball off to the nearest ref


Barry? Barry Sanders? Is that you? You're the best, man.
 
2013-05-04 09:06:02 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [newsblogs.chicagotribune.com image 850x654]


Might be an apt comparison if Christians WERE being oppressed, having their basic rights stripped, and being persecuted and murdered for their choice. Too bad that there are lots of Christian sports players, Christianity is the dominant religion in America, and no one really cares because of those two points.

And you know, if Christians would stop being backwards bigoted farktards towards people who did nothing to them but be born with an attraction to people with the same genitals, then gays being anywhere wouldn't have to be such a deal. Got no one to blame but yourselves, Christians.

Hey, how's following the "Love your neighbor as yourself", "What you do to the least of you you do to me", and "Judge not lest yourself be judged, there is no judge but me" commands Jesus gave to you going? What's that, you completely ignored it so you can obsess over a line from the Old Testament (which you claim only Jews need to follow) that MIGHT have something to do with homosexuality to justify being evil shiatheads? Doesn't sound very Christian to me. You sure you're not following Satan's will?
 
2013-05-04 09:12:37 PM  

mactobain: DQ: That's what I like about Texas


I read the "DQ" I sang the "That's what I like about Texas" instinctively
 
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