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(Opposing Views)   Teen gets his entire track team DQed because he pointed at the sky while crossing the finish line. WTFark: The school DOESN'T prohibit religious expression   (opposingviews.com) divider line 237
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2013-05-04 05:56:07 PM
Good

/God didn't get you the win, and if you think the almighty did, he also gave you the disqualification
//mysterious ways
 
2013-05-04 05:56:36 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: betelgeux: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

Maybe I spent too much time in math and science classes in college and neglected my reading, but I must ask you where in the article does it mention he acted like an asshole?

Well there is the part where the officials said they did it because he was being disrespectful to them.


This rule has been around awhile, so the event probably went down as such:

"I'm gonna do it if I win."
"You better not."
"I'm gonna do it if I win..."
"I am strongly warning you against that..."
 
2013-05-04 05:56:45 PM
RAAARRRR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHY DON'T THEY ALL DIE ALREADY!!!!1!11
 
2013-05-04 05:58:21 PM

eraser8: I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?


Never won anything have you?
 
2013-05-04 06:01:12 PM
Since the article provides only the barest minimum of details and invites all kinds of wild speculation, here's my entry for the "What Really Happened" guessing game:

The kid was a cocky douche who made a big showy "I'm number one!" gesture directed at the judges. When they got honked off about it, his dad tried to cover by claiming it was really a humble thank you to God, and therefore protected religious speech. When that didn't fly either, douchey kid got extra douchey and the judges unloaded a big heaping scoop of DQ on the self-fingering little snowflake.

/ahh, sweet uninformed opinion. Are there no questions you cannot answer?
 
2013-05-04 06:02:30 PM
Thanks for helping me run from point A to point B a little faster than the other kids, Jesus.
 
2013-05-04 06:02:38 PM

No Time To Explain: Good

/God didn't get you the win, and if you think the almighty did, he also gave you the disqualification
//mysterious ways


God should stop meddling in high school track meets and just let the kids win or lose on their merits.
 
2013-05-04 06:02:49 PM

slimfast: [media.nj.com image 432x576]


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No U!!
 
2013-05-04 06:03:56 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.

Why decimate an entire legion because one soldier was too hungover to fight? So you can be sure it won't happen again.


I hope you don't coach kids' soccer or anything.
 
2013-05-04 06:05:22 PM
Officials feeling bad for students feeling bad because they lost.  Hurt feelings all around.  Celebrations are unfair and don't make anyone but the winners feel good and that's just not fair.  Ahhh.  Poor weak people.
 
2013-05-04 06:05:31 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: No Time To Explain: Good

/God didn't get you the win, and if you think the almighty did, he also gave you the disqualification
//mysterious ways

God should stop meddling in high school track meets and just let the kids win or lose on their merits.


But then the terrorists won if that happens!

/the only thing that can stop God's bad intentions is God's God intentions
//I'm a bit rusty, I think I need a beer
 
2013-05-04 06:05:41 PM
Ah, yes.  Your team is clearly the best, so let's keep you from competing in the championship.  Who benefits from disqualifying the team?
 
2013-05-04 06:06:29 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: slimfast: [media.nj.com image 432x576]

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[media.nj.com image 432x576]
No U!!


www.paris2amsterdam.com
 
2013-05-04 06:06:33 PM
Isn't celebration the whole point of winning?
 
2013-05-04 06:14:42 PM
Track is notorious for its rules. I've seen people dq'ed for mismatched spandex on a relay team, the wrong sized logo on non team gear, or even a sports bra that was too bright of a color.
 
2013-05-04 06:17:35 PM
So every time I scored a goal in high school and raised my hockey stick they should have called the game and made us forfeit the win?????   The pussification of this generation of kids marches on.
 
2013-05-04 06:18:02 PM
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2013-05-04 06:18:58 PM

INeedAName: Track is notorious for its rules. I've seen people dq'ed for mismatched spandex on a relay team, the wrong sized logo on non team gear, or even a sports bra that was too bright of a color.


...I've got an idea for a track version of "Stick It"...
 
2013-05-04 06:19:04 PM
After reading the thread, I must say even I'm impressed at the Christian persecution complex ITT. If you poor downtrodden half wits can't get treated fairly in Texas, where can you?
 
2013-05-04 06:20:44 PM
I don't care if it was religious or not.  Pointing at the sky shouldn't considered excessive, by any stretch of the imagination.

F*cking let kids have some fun.  If it's ok for world-recording breaking Olympic athletes to do, it ought to be acceptable for high school kids to do.

I played high school football.  You couldn't do an end-zone dance or spike the ball, but the whole team could jump around and raise their arms for a touchdown.

f*cking people are idiots.
 
2013-05-04 06:22:15 PM
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2013-05-04 06:22:32 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: eraser8: Or, helicopter with their penis?

What athletic events are YOU going to?


Obviously, Penn State Football
 
2013-05-04 06:23:48 PM

laid back w/bud light: win?????   The pussification of this generation of kids marches on.


well, you're obviously a bigoted racist male hatemonger. please leave my country and let us create a newer and better society without you.
 
2013-05-04 06:25:49 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: dairy queened?  just for doin that?? impossible


That is the first thing I thought!  I was like "Oh he took the entire team to Dairy Queen after the race yay!" then I was like Oh :( NM...
 
2013-05-04 06:26:42 PM
Hey, everyone should go home with a trophy just for being!
 
2013-05-04 06:27:47 PM
Obligatory:

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2013-05-04 06:31:45 PM

TexasRedbud: He wasn't disqualified for religious demonstration.   The argument is being made that he should be excused because it was religious.  I really do not have an opinion  about that.   I do not think it matters why he raised his arms.

I want to know when raising your hands / arms at the end of a race became 'excessive celebration'?    How sensitive does the losing team have to be to be intimidated by the raising of arms?    Have we, as a society become such a bunch of complete wusses that we can be so easily offended?     And I have always wanted to ask,  ' when did it become a 'right' to not be offended.   If you are offended so easily,  stay home.

If watching the winner of a race raise his arms puts you off, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?


This.
 
2013-05-04 06:31:49 PM
I didn't know the NFL was running the track meets down in Texas.

It isn't a religion thing, it's a don't show off thing.

But even I think this is excessive. But doesn't warrant the persecution complex some Christians like to bring into these debates.
 
2013-05-04 06:32:48 PM

Joe USer: It's called unsportsmanlike conduct, you don't act like an idiot on the field. You can make an idiot of yourself afterwards.


As you so eloquently put, he should be allowed to act like an idiot "afterwards" is exactly what he did.  He crossed the line, thus the race has ended.  I guess we all define "idiot" differently.

Learn how to read...
High school track runner Derrick Hayes did exactly that last weekend after finishing a race in first place.
 
2013-05-04 06:32:59 PM

iheartscotch: School policy has nothing to do with it. State athletic policy against celebrating has everything to do with it.


MA and TX both have "no celebration" rules in football. There was a MA football team that lost a TD in a championship game due to an arm raised.

This is getting to a point where the wild celebrations during and after "Miracle on Ice" will be penalized, and kids will play like the automaton Soviets.
 
2013-05-04 06:33:22 PM

FloydA: Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.

He was the anchor in the 4X100 relay.  Without all four positions, there is no team.


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Ya call that an anchor?
 
2013-05-04 06:35:33 PM
when you win you're supposed to apologize not celebrate, get with the program
 
2013-05-04 06:38:04 PM

LtDarkstar: Jon iz teh kewl: dairy queened?  just for doin that?? impossible

That is the first thing I thought!  I was like "Oh he took the entire team to Dairy Queen after the race yay!" then I was like Oh :( NM...


if he didn't what a jackass

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2013-05-04 06:41:13 PM
I'm gonna let you finish but..........
 
2013-05-04 06:47:32 PM
I dunno. I am an atheist, but I I saw no problem with him pointing to his favorite non-existent deity.
 
2013-05-04 06:51:39 PM

utah dude: laid back w/bud light: win?????   The pussification of this generation of kids marches on.

well, you're obviously a bigoted racist male hatemonger. please leave my country and let us create a newer and better society without you.


If you're a troll it was lame. If you're serious You're even lamer.
 
2013-05-04 06:53:51 PM

loveblondieo: It would have been helpful if the article actually stated what he was doing that was disrespectful to the officials. Just pointing the sky doesn't seem so bad.


This.
I would like to see how other people celebrated when they won and what the line is between "excessive" and acceptable.
Can you look up to the sky?
Can you pump your fist?
Can you cover your face with your hands?
Can you say "yes!"
 
2013-05-04 06:54:01 PM
commonsenseatheism.com

/oblig
 
2013-05-04 06:55:19 PM
That's all the officials did?

They should have burned the school town and killed everyone in this kid's family.

Sorry. It was a well documented rule...act like you've been there before.
 
2013-05-04 06:57:29 PM
Joe USer

It's called unsportsmanlike conduct, you don't act like an idiot on the field. You can make an idiot of yourself afterwards.

awww did your widddle fewings get hurt by somebowdy pointing up? When you're mommie's done on main street show here where it hurts and have her kiss it and make it alllll bettter.
 
2013-05-04 06:59:42 PM
We've seen this before:

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2013-05-04 07:01:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.


No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".

Stop making things up.
 
2013-05-04 07:03:29 PM
Political correctness is farking everything up.

People that enforce or encourage political correctness are douchbags.
 
2013-05-04 07:04:44 PM
Fark atheists give /r/atheism a run for their money.
 
2013-05-04 07:05:03 PM
If I were the coach I would have cussed him out; not for the grandstanding, but the fact that after his run he showed he did not put his all into the run and was able to point and cheer right after.

/Put it all into the event
//You had three teammates counting on you
///Quit whining like Tim Tebow and perform
 
2013-05-04 07:08:30 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

No, that is not what TFA article said.

"...was disqualified by local meet officials for an unsporting act at the conclusion of the boys 4 x100 meter relay.
 The meet official indicated the athlete crossed the finish line and gestured upward with his arm and finger and behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion. In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.


The violation was specified as excessive celebration.  The act of this excessive celebration is what was perceived as being disrespectful.

TFA states that they convened after they witnessed this excessive celebration, not due to his "acting like an asshole to officials".

Stop making things up.


Read your own post, moron.
 
2013-05-04 07:09:23 PM

Fallout Boy: Fark atheists give /r/atheism a run for their money.


You know this story has nothing to do with religion right?

But I guess you have to nurse that persecution complex that some Christians seem to have somehow.
 
2013-05-04 07:10:38 PM
FTFA: In the judgment of the official, this was a violation of NFHS track & field rule 4-6-1.

Okay, so 4-6-1 states:  "Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It
includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. "

So point your finger in the air is considered "flagrant behavior"?

The penalty doesn't say that the whole team gets DQd
 
2013-05-04 07:11:13 PM
Also DQ'ed?
media.mlive.com

But hey lets be good bigots and support zero tolerance when we hate their belief system.
 
2013-05-04 07:18:11 PM
Surprised there's no video of the incident.
 
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