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(Opposing Views)   Teen gets his entire track team DQed because he pointed at the sky while crossing the finish line. WTFark: The school DOESN'T prohibit religious expression   (opposingviews.com) divider line 237
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2013-05-04 01:50:48 PM
Somehow in the list of things wrong with the world, a high-school athlete pointing to the sky in front of the judges just doesn't seem all that bad.

Depending on which finger he pointed with...
 
2013-05-04 01:54:00 PM
It's called unsportsmanlike conduct, you don't act like an idiot on the field. You can make an idiot of yourself afterwards.
 
2013-05-04 02:38:04 PM
DQ: That's what I like about Texas
 
2013-05-04 02:53:36 PM
Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.
 
2013-05-04 02:55:15 PM
Man, that's a really low threshold for "excessive".

Subby, what school prohibits religious expression by the individual student?
 
2013-05-04 03:03:34 PM
I don't understand why it's so hard simply to participate in an athletic event and leave it at that.

Why do people feel the need to dance?  Or, point at the sky?  Or, helicopter with their penis?

Okay, the last one I can sort of understand...but, the others?  WTF?
 
2013-05-04 03:35:32 PM
Quite sure that the sky pointing is not humble and Jesus-like. Praising God as you finish is taunting everyone else by saying God favored you and not them. It's an insult, regardless of the other runner's faiths.

The refs couldn't have been punishing him for being a Christian because he wasn't being one.
 
2013-05-04 03:35:59 PM
If the rules say "no dancing around," you can't dance around.  Being very fond of Jesus does not exempt you from the rules.  This isn't prison; you don't get special privileges just for being religious.
 
2013-05-04 03:38:25 PM
Its showboating, and its been against the rules in high school and college forever.  Argue the rule all you want, but its the rule.
 
2013-05-04 03:49:49 PM
dairy queened?  just for doin that?? impossible
 
2013-05-04 03:56:33 PM

downstairs: Its showboating, and its been against the rules in high school and college forever.  Argue the rule all you want, but its the rule.


This. When you have to make a rule or law, you don't make it vague or tread in a proverbial grey area. Either it is all in or all out.

Stupid kid is stupid. Cross the line, small wave to the crowd.

Don't thank your god, she didn't do anything.
 
2013-05-04 04:01:41 PM
And the Lone State hasn't earned its own Fark tag yet because.......?
 
2013-05-04 04:07:53 PM
You guys do realize that TFA ha the school specifically saying it wasn't because of a religious gesture but because he was disrespectful to officials, right?
 
2013-05-04 04:13:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: You guys do realize that TFA ha the school specifically saying it wasn't because of a religious gesture but because he was disrespectful to officials, right?


This article only mentions that he was disrespectful, but doesn't specify what said disrespectful gesture was. If the finger-pointing is all it was, then that's just stupid.
 
2013-05-04 04:20:48 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: You guys do realize that TFA ha the school specifically saying it wasn't because of a religious gesture but because he was disrespectful to officials, right?


Yeah, it was "excessive celebration."  The fact that the "celebration" had a religious theme was beside the point.  Any unsportsmanlike conduct would be treated the same way.
 
2013-05-04 04:29:40 PM

FloydA: Benevolent Misanthrope: You guys do realize that TFA ha the school specifically saying it wasn't because of a religious gesture but because he was disrespectful to officials, right?

Yeah, it was "excessive celebration."  The fact that the "celebration" had a religious theme was beside the point.  Any unsportsmanlike conduct would be treated the same way.


But, religious expression deserves special dispensation because Jesus.
 
2013-05-04 04:29:46 PM
It would have been helpful if the article actually stated what he was doing that was disrespectful to the officials. Just pointing the sky doesn't seem so bad.
 
2013-05-04 04:32:16 PM
Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.
 
2013-05-04 04:34:23 PM

eraser8: FloydA: Benevolent Misanthrope: You guys do realize that TFA ha the school specifically saying it wasn't because of a religious gesture but because he was disrespectful to officials, right?

Yeah, it was "excessive celebration."  The fact that the "celebration" had a religious theme was beside the point.  Any unsportsmanlike conduct would be treated the same way.

But, religious expression deserves special dispensation because Jesus.


I will say, I am shocked that this wasn't the outcome, considering it's Texas.
 
2013-05-04 04:36:51 PM
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2013-05-04 04:38:57 PM

Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.


He was the anchor in the 4X100 relay.  Without all four positions, there is no team.
 
2013-05-04 04:46:37 PM

FloydA: Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.

He was the anchor in the 4X100 relay.  Without all four positions, there is no team.


Point taken, but surely they could have used an alternate or two? Better that they be allowed to go on with their second best "anchor" than....this. This is grossly unfair.
 
2013-05-04 04:55:35 PM

Apos: FloydA: Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.

He was the anchor in the 4X100 relay.  Without all four positions, there is no team.

Point taken, but surely they could have used an alternate or two? Better that they be allowed to go on with their second best "anchor" than....this. This is grossly unfair.


He did it at the end of the race.... the team running that race was DQ'd. It's not that the whole school team was DQ'd from the entire track meet -- just the one race, as if they'd run out of the lines or missed a baton handoff.
 
2013-05-04 04:57:06 PM
Apos:

Point taken, but surely they could have used an alternate or two? Better that they be allowed to go on with their second best "anchor" than....this. This is grossly unfair.

The race was over.  In order to replace this one runner, they would have to re-stage the event, and giving the DQ'd kid's team a fresh anchor while the other teams were re-running the same 4 guys who had just exhausted themselves doesn't really seem fair.

I suspect that if this kid was caught goofing around before the race, they would have done exactly that - the coach would have yanked him and put in someone else.  Once the race is over, not much can be done.
 
2013-05-04 05:05:38 PM

Donnchadha: Apos: FloydA: Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.

He was the anchor in the 4X100 relay.  Without all four positions, there is no team.

Point taken, but surely they could have used an alternate or two? Better that they be allowed to go on with their second best "anchor" than....this. This is grossly unfair.

He did it at the end of the race.... the team running that race was DQ'd. It's not that the whole school team was DQ'd from the entire track meet -- just the one race, as if they'd run out of the lines or missed a baton handoff.



Ahhhh.....

FloydA: Apos:

Point taken, but surely they could have used an alternate or two? Better that they be allowed to go on with their second best "anchor" than....this. This is grossly unfair.

The race was over.  In order to replace this one runner, they would have to re-stage the event, and giving the DQ'd kid's team a fresh anchor while the other teams were re-running the same 4 guys who had just exhausted themselves doesn't really seem fair.

I suspect that if this kid was caught goofing around before the race, they would have done exactly that - the coach would have yanked him and put in someone else.  Once the race is over, not much can be done.


.......Gotcha.
 
2013-05-04 05:32:59 PM

eraser8: Or, helicopter with their penis?


What athletic events are YOU going to?
 
2013-05-04 05:34:29 PM

EatenTheSun: Subby, what school prohibits religious expression by the individual student?


Private Christian schools.
 
2013-05-04 05:35:09 PM
Without wading into the whole oh so delightful atheism/religion farkfest once again, my guess is that 99% of the story has nothing to do with what was reported.

I'm guessing that he'd severely pissed off the officials in some other fashion, or someone else on his team had, or someone at some point came to that race bound and determined to stir up some shiat one way or another, and this is the end result.

Just a guess, but there's a lot of psychodrama at any youth athletic event, most of it in the heads of people NOT competing.
 
2013-05-04 05:37:50 PM
I'm ok with this.
 
2013-05-04 05:37:52 PM
School policy has nothing to do with it. State athletic policy against celebrating has everything to do with it.
 
2013-05-04 05:38:56 PM

iheartscotch: School policy has nothing to do with it. State athletic policy against celebrating has everything to do with it.


wat he said.
 
2013-05-04 05:40:20 PM

mactobain: DQ: That's what I like about Texas


This.
 
2013-05-04 05:41:39 PM
Was he furthering the quest to find his missing friend Kyle? You know, about this tall?
 
2013-05-04 05:41:46 PM
This sounds like an over-done policy regarding celebration, not religious expression.

However, I know what I'm going to hear at work on Monday from the resident Fox News fan.
 
2013-05-04 05:41:49 PM

Apos: Why disqualify the entire team for one member's conduct? This is the part that makes very little sense.


Why decimate an entire legion because one soldier was too hungover to fight? So you can be sure it won't happen again.
 
2013-05-04 05:44:39 PM

eraser8: Why do people feel the need to dance? Or, point at the sky? Or, helicopter with their penis?


Hey, judge all you want, but that was the BEST. SPRING COTILLION. EVER.
 
2013-05-04 05:44:45 PM
From the article:
"behaved disrespectfully toward meet officials, in their opinion"
We have FARK Athiests judging HS track meets now?
 
2013-05-04 05:47:10 PM
He wasn't disqualified for religious demonstration.   The argument is being made that he should be excused because it was religious.  I really do not have an opinion  about that.   I do not think it matters why he raised his arms.

I want to know when raising your hands / arms at the end of a race became 'excessive celebration'?    How sensitive does the losing team have to be to be intimidated by the raising of arms?    Have we, as a society become such a bunch of complete wusses that we can be so easily offended?     And I have always wanted to ask,  ' when did it become a 'right' to not be offended.   If you are offended so easily,  stay home.

If watching the winner of a race raise his arms puts you off, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?
 
2013-05-04 05:47:19 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.


Came here to say that.

But this is the media, which generates more clicks: "Disqualified for thanking god" or "Disqualified for being an asshole"?
 
2013-05-04 05:48:35 PM
That's why I point at the ground.
 
2013-05-04 05:48:36 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.


What was assholish to either the officials or the other team?  He pointed to the sky, not to the other team, like neeners, we won.  He didn't point to the officials with the middle finger.  That is a pretty low threshold for celebration imo.  Since I wasnt on the rules committee, meh but he wasn't doing the Dirty Bird out there.
 
2013-05-04 05:50:50 PM
DQ is disgusting. I can't believe that shathole is still around

Also, you won. Act like you've done it before. Have some class and humility
 
2013-05-04 05:51:37 PM

Evilnissan: That's why I point at the ground.


HAIL SATAN!
 
2013-05-04 05:51:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.


Maybe I spent too much time in math and science classes in college and neglected my reading, but I must ask you where in the article does it mention he acted like an asshole?
 
2013-05-04 05:52:17 PM
Maybe he saw a UFO.
 
2013-05-04 05:53:00 PM

betelgeux: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - it DOES, however, prohibit acting like an asshole to the officials, which, if you RTFA, he did.

Maybe I spent too much time in math and science classes in college and neglected my reading, but I must ask you where in the article does it mention he acted like an asshole?


Well there is the part where the officials said they did it because he was being disrespectful to them.
 
2013-05-04 05:53:22 PM

TexasRedbud: And I have always wanted to ask, ' when did it become a 'right' to not be offended. If you are offended so easily, stay home.

If watching the winner of a race raise his arms puts you off, maybe competing in athletics isn't your thing?


It's not a "right" it's a high school athletics association rule.  In the liberal wussy PC state of Texas, where there is next to zero interest in competitive sports.

There is a similar rule in the NCAA.
 
2013-05-04 05:54:07 PM
media.nj.com
 
2013-05-04 05:54:50 PM
Which finger did he use?
 
2013-05-04 05:55:37 PM
What a load of bull.
 
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