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2013-05-04 10:39:52 AM
Well duh, of course they won't make something if the audience is getting smaller.
 
2013-05-04 10:48:19 AM
You know, if Netflix came out with a firefly spinoff "Netflix original series" they would become gods among men, instead of the whined batches they are now.

/even I know firefly can't start up where it left off. The cast has moved on, but it's a shame there haven't been other attempts in that universe with other characters.
 
2013-05-04 10:52:41 AM
First off, I love Firefly.  It was a great show, especially if viewed in the order intended, as opposed to how it was aired.

However, the stars are all 10 years older, most are committed to other projects, and Wash and Book are dead.  These are all reasons why it probably just wouldn't have the same magic if they brought it back.  This "the audience is smaller" line seems to be just that - a convenient line.  Quantifying that would be difficult and prone to error.  There are plenty of real reasons not to bring it back, but none that fans want to hear.
 
2013-05-04 10:53:35 AM

Ambivalence: other attempts in that universe with other characters.


That is a show I would watch
 
2013-05-04 11:52:06 AM
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2013-05-04 11:52:35 AM

Uisce Beatha: Wash and Book are dead


Pretty sure that if it weren't for some asshole Fox middle-manager who scheduled the show for the Friday primetime death slot and aired the episodes out of order, said deaths would never have happened.

Lesson learned: the guys in charge of scheduling at Fox will kill your show if they even THINK that you've slighted them. No surprise.
 
2013-05-04 12:37:04 PM
Let it go, Browncoats. As it stands, Firefly has an unsullied legacy. A cool show that never had a chance to decline in quality, and a great movie. Be satisfied.
 
2013-05-04 12:47:21 PM
I didn't care for Firefly. When it first aired, I thought it would be a cool science fiction show dealing with an ultra modern space ship and a crew of futuristic people having interesting adventures.

Instead, it turned out to be a crew on a rust bucket, who kept setting down on human occupied planets where everyone mainly seemed to live like in the wild west, complete with period fire arms, riding horses and usually irritable.

At least those episodes I saw.

The lead character, the captain, now stars in a crime series called Castle and he's turned out to be great and funny. He's a crime solving writer, who lives with his too perfect daughter and a bit over the top aging actress mother. Plus, he's rich. He's displayed a humorous side that is pretty unique.

Naturally, the show creators are on their way to possibly killing it off because they've had him get romantically involved with the pretty, tough lady detective he's been assigned to.
I have a problem with Sci-fi shows where the characters use super advanced technologies then dress and act like something from the early 1900's. Star Wars comes to mind, with the main characters usually dressed like middle easterners, wielding 'swords' and moving through cities that remind me of the Mad Max and Blade Runner type of sets.

I don't know what happened to the rest of the Firefly crew, but the captain seems to be doing quite well in his new role.
 
2013-05-04 01:14:42 PM

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Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
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Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it
 
2013-05-04 01:19:47 PM
Firefly wasn't bad. It's just the weird sci-fi western angle that I dislike. Didn't like it when I saw it on trek, Galactica, or even Doctor Who.
 
2013-05-04 01:28:12 PM
They should only bring it back if they have Morena Baccarin topless a lot, otherwise leave her on Homeland where that's a regular happening.
 
2013-05-04 01:29:47 PM
Twin Peaks.  Yes!
 
2013-05-04 01:32:24 PM
they should call it FireFox cause no one uses it
 
2013-05-04 01:32:53 PM
<I>What do you think? Is Netflix right to pass up Firefly (if, hypothetically, they ever have a shot at it)because they don't think the audience is big enough, and is it really true that there are fewer Browncoats in the ranks now than there were 10 years ago?</I>

It seems to be a forgone conclusion that the 'verse will unilaterally underestimate the Firefly fanbase.  Last year, I went to Comic-Con and tried to get into the Firefly 10th Anniversary panel, starting at noon (?)  We got there at like 7am to wait in line.  Ballroom 20 filled up immediately and there were enough people standing in line in front of us to fill the room twice that didn't get in.  Ballroom 20 is only the second largest room on the property, Hall H is massive, but even then there would have been a significant amount of overflow.

I've been a fan since about 2004?  I never watched it when it was on TV, for all the reasons that have previously been discussed.  My friend was a fan, and introduced me to the series.  I went forward and introduced the series to dozens of others.  Make no mistake, the Firefly fan base has been growing for a decade ... saying there just aren't enough fans is pure crap, and for the life of me, I can't see why people keep getting this part wrong.

The rest of it, the cast being 10 years older, having many other projects, and some of them being killed on screen ... yeah, that most certainly applies.  As much as I'd love to have the show back, I understand that realistically, logistically ... it's likely impossible.  If you wanna give me THAT reason, then fine ... but knock off the crap that there's only a handful of rabid fans left who give a shiat about Firefly.  That just ain't so...
 
2013-05-04 01:34:27 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: they should call it FireFox cause no one uses it


I think it'd be fun to live in your life for a day.
 
2013-05-04 01:41:20 PM
Well, my days of not taking Ted Sarandos seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
 
2013-05-04 01:44:26 PM
The Firefly fanbase hasn't multiplied? Since Firefly was on Hulu, one fan was earned in me, and there are at least a dozen other people who I turned on to Firefly via Hulu and are sorely disappointed there are none forthcoming. We are in the age of social networking and streaming, where cult fandom and word of mouth has turned craft breweries, independent films, online-only series, charitable causes, etc., into massive successes over an extremely shortened period of time. You know what streaming means for series? This means I watch, maybe invite a friend over to watch with me originally, and I simply have to share and... surprise surprise... I am able to instantly rather than tell someone to try and watch a show at a certain time on a certain day on a certain channel, probably by themselves. This has made a couple dozen fans of Booth at the End, for instance.
 
2013-05-04 01:46:25 PM

xkenny13: Make no mistake, the Firefly fan base has been growing for a decade ... saying there just aren't enough fans is pure crap, and for the life of me, I can't see why people keep getting this part wrong.


FTFA: "The Firefly fan is still the Firefly fan from when it was on TV and there's fewer of them and they're more passionate every year. "

I'm not necessarily saying he's right, but your argument isn't exactly refuting his point.  What Firefly fans there are get more passionate and will fill a convention hall that seats a couple thousand, but are there ten million of them?  Fewer than five million were watching when the show was cancelled.  Based on the box office gross and the average ticket price, fewer than four million tickets were sold for the movie (and that doesn't factor in repeat viewings).  What makes you think that there are still enough people out there who care enough about a show that aired a decade ago to get somebody to spend $20 million+ to make new content?
 
2013-05-04 01:48:27 PM
The trouble with sci-fi shows is their core viewership is composed of idealistic nerds who are convinced that torrenting a show instead of watching it through the channels that paid for it is a-okay.  In a sense its a big fanbase, but that big fanbase is largely freeloaders who adamantly refuse to help pay for the darn thing.  Those of us that truly support these programs and do the needful like buying the DVD sets or paying for netflix can't counter balance them hard enough.

So do your sci-fi show-lovin' self a favour and slap a freeloader, its for the greater good.
 
2013-05-04 01:49:55 PM
There are very good reasons not to revive firefly. This is not one of them. I know one person who watched it when it aired. Every fan I know discovered it long after it went off the air. Every six months someone I know finally gets around to watching it and goes apeshiat about how good it is for a little while.

I think the show benefits greatly from having only one season and no real ending. Whedon makes strong starts but he isn't so good with endings.
 
2013-05-04 01:50:06 PM
Rik01: I didn't care for Firefly. When it first aired, I thought it would be a cool science fiction show dealing with an ultra modern space ship and a crew of futuristic people having interesting adventures.

Instead, it turned out to be a crew on a rust bucket, who kept setting down on human occupied planets where everyone mainly seemed to live like in the wild west, complete with period fire arms, riding horses and usually irritable.


The whole wild wild west motif was actually a brilliant move on Whedon's part. He had a very limited budget, full access to the studio's costume department, and the need to convey a complex idea and set up his world building within just a few short shots in the first episode. So he borrowed from history and dressed the colonists as dirt farmers and gun toting bandits, which of course, they were. Humans have never strayed far from that norm throughout history. Thus old cliches, the short hand of all good scifi, forms the matrix on which to hang his story without wasting valuable screen time.
 
2013-05-04 01:50:19 PM
I just thought it was stupid personally. They have the technology to build interstellar spacecraft but they are using weapons from the 1800s? Right...

Bonanza in space.
 
2013-05-04 01:51:29 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Let it go, Browncoats. As it stands, Firefly has an unsullied legacy. A cool show that never had a chance to decline in quality, and a great movie. Be satisfied.


THIS. Remember how people pitched a fit after Family Guy got cancelled and they got it back on the air? It was good for about a season after that, then the quality took a nose dive.

Sometimes, it's better to just enjoy what you have.
 
2013-05-04 01:52:10 PM
How about giving it to JJ Abrams to see if he can breathe some new life into its tired premise.
 
2013-05-04 01:53:41 PM
6-7 years ago? Yes - reboot Firefly.

Now? Book and Wash are dead and Summer Glau isn't a waifish teenager anymore. Adam Baldwin is in his 50s and Nathan Fillion is in his 40s.

There's nothing wrong with any of this, but it's like going to your High School Reunion and realizing everyone grew up while they were gone and some favorites didn't bother to show up. It's kind of fun, but it's not the same.
 
2013-05-04 01:55:36 PM
I'm not sure I understand the whole "Firefly fans should move on" thing. I mean, most of us have moved on. We still like the show, and if someone mentions it we're likely to state that we like it and maybe even describe some of the reasons why, but I don't personally know any fellow fans who are trying to revive a show we know can't be revived. The Serenity movie gave "closure" to those rabid fans who needed it and was a nice addition to the series for those who weren't so attached as to need some kind of closure. Sometimes I wonder if the whole thing has less to do with the shows fans and more to do with the fans' critics.
 
2013-05-04 01:56:25 PM
*show's fans, even
 
2013-05-04 01:56:55 PM

Rik01: I didn't care for Firefly. When it first aired, I thought it would be a cool science fiction show dealing with an ultra modern space ship and a crew of futuristic people having interesting adventures.

Instead, it turned out to be a crew on a rust bucket, who kept setting down on human occupied planets where everyone mainly seemed to live like in the wild west, complete with period fire arms, riding horses and usually irritable.

At least those episodes I saw.

The lead character, the captain, now stars in a crime series called Castle and he's turned out to be great and funny. He's a crime solving writer, who lives with his too perfect daughter and a bit over the top aging actress mother. Plus, he's rich. He's displayed a humorous side that is pretty unique.

Naturally, the show creators are on their way to possibly killing it off because they've had him get romantically involved with the pretty, tough lady detective he's been assigned to.
I have a problem with Sci-fi shows where the characters use super advanced technologies then dress and act like something from the early 1900's. Star Wars comes to mind, with the main characters usually dressed like middle easterners, wielding 'swords' and moving through cities that remind me of the Mad Max and Blade Runner type of sets.

I don't know what happened to the rest of the Firefly crew, but the captain seems to be doing quite well in his new role.


Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
 
2013-05-04 01:57:28 PM

Hand Banana: I just thought it was stupid personally. They have the technology to build interstellar spacecraft but they are using weapons from the 1800s? Right...

Bonanza in space.


I heard it explained that in the verse, weapons are heavily controlled, so the only chance of those in the ancient world to get weapons, is to find very ancient weapons that are basically museum pieces, retrofit them to fire caseless amunitions (with gas as propellant). That would also explain why those weapons made strange noises that had nothing to do with their real noises. Also, the government men all had futuristic-looking weapons.
 
2013-05-04 01:58:04 PM

xkenny13: but knock off the crap that there's only a handful of rabid fans left who give a shiat about Firefly.


The only person tossing that crap is you.  The article says the fanbase has gotten smaller in the past 10 years, not been reduced to a "rabid handful".
 
2013-05-04 02:00:31 PM
I don't expect anyone to remake it, and I'm alright if they don't, but the idea that the Firefly audience is confined to the audience that watched the show originally is absurd.  From what I know, a large number of the fans never saw the series air (I certainly didn't).  The DVD sales have been huge, thus the movie, and I'd be amazed if the movie audience wasn't larger than the small screen following (not that the movie did that well iirc).  I'm not saying that everyone who watched the movies or bought the DVD would be watching a new series of it, but a good percentage of them would.  In addition, Firefly has a reputation and word of mouth now.  The name is far more widely known than it was when it was airing.  It'd definitely have a shot at a good following.

Better reasons for not remaking it: it would be hard/impossible to get the cast, or Joss, and it would cost a lot more per episode than something like Arrested Development.
 
2013-05-04 02:01:00 PM

xkenny13: <I>What do you think? Is Netflix right to pass up Firefly (if, hypothetically, they ever have a shot at it)because they don't think the audience is big enough, and is it really true that there are fewer Browncoats in the ranks now than there were 10 years ago?</I>

It seems to be a forgone conclusion that the 'verse will unilaterally underestimate the Firefly fanbase.


Hollywood exists to make money.  The reason Firefly hasn't been revived is because it's a bad financial decision.  If it's such a slam dunk financially, take out a loan, bankroll a reboot, and prove the 'verse wrong.
 
2013-05-04 02:03:28 PM
This guy's a complete farking moron.

"The Firefly fan is still the Firefly fan from when it was on TV"

That's complete bullshiat. Most of the shows fans never watched it when it was on TV, I never heard of the show until years later when I found it on Hulu. Hell if all the shows fans now had watched it when it was on TV it would have gotten excellent ratings and never been canceled.
 
2013-05-04 02:03:29 PM
Yeah. Arrested development was a better choice on that one.
 
2013-05-04 02:08:40 PM
Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it. Nobody watched it because the writing and acting were terrible.
 
2013-05-04 02:12:09 PM
Not sure how I came to Firefly, but I did NOT catch it during its original airing. It was only well after it was cancelled I found the show; in fact, it may have been hearing about the movie that prompted me to look into the show (but that is just guessing too).

Anywho, I think a Jayne spin-off would be good. Or any show with Adam Baldwin.. like another SG show perhaps?
 
2013-05-04 02:14:37 PM
If the fans really love the show they should have watched it when it was actually on.

I understand some people discover something after it's off the air but that's not really the network's fault is it. They aren't going to start West Wing back up either.
 
2013-05-04 02:15:06 PM

Vangor: The Firefly fanbase hasn't multiplied? Since Firefly was on Hulu, one fan was earned in me, and there are at least a dozen other people who I turned on to Firefly via Hulu and are sorely disappointed there are none forthcoming. We are in the age of social networking and streaming, where cult fandom and word of mouth has turned craft breweries, independent films, online-only series, charitable causes, etc., into massive successes over an extremely shortened period of time. You know what streaming means for series? This means I watch, maybe invite a friend over to watch with me originally, and I simply have to share and... surprise surprise... I am able to instantly rather than tell someone to try and watch a show at a certain time on a certain day on a certain channel, probably by themselves. This has made a couple dozen fans of Booth at the End, for instance.


You're missing the other aspect of internet culture, though, in that its boost for cult fandom has also created an increasingly insular society in which people tend to gravitate toward other people who think the same way and we end up thinking that everybody is like us.  You go to a place like Fark or AV Club and find dozens or hundreds of fans who love a show as much as you do and begin to think that there are millions when, in reality, there are probably thousands.  Just look at the comments section of any AV Club review of Community compared to The Big Bang Theory (814 to 172 for this week's recap at the moment).  The Big Bang Theory brings in 8-10 times as many viewers as Community, but the rabid Community fans make it seem like the bigger deal.  But then when you look down further you see that the actual number of commenters is more like 150 for Community and 35 for The Big Bang Theory (based on the what we watch graphs) and this huge, rabid audience becomes much smaller.

I can guarantee that the five million people who were watching Firefly at the end were not all rabid fans.  I know this because they couldn't get five million Americans to see Serenity.  So while Sarandos was wrong in saying that there have been no new Firefly fans since it was canceled, he's almost certainly right in saying that the overall fanbase has likely declined in the last decade.
 
2013-05-04 02:15:43 PM
I don't want Firefly brought back because I'm afraid it will get ruined.
 
2013-05-04 02:15:56 PM

ReapTheChaos: This guy's a complete farking moron.

"The Firefly fan is still the Firefly fan from when it was on TV"

That's complete bullshiat. Most of the shows fans never watched it when it was on TV, I never heard of the show until years later when I found it on Hulu. Hell if all the shows fans now had watched it when it was on TV it would have gotten excellent ratings and never been canceled.


it's true, to a point. Firefly fans are still firefly fans from when it was on. Then multiply it times 10 for all of the people who found it after Sci-fi and dvd's and downloads before both of those.

I don't believe i ever even heard of the show when it was on, likely due to the friday night death slot, but i have watched the series several times, enjoyed the movie and all of that and if they revived the universe, even if not those characters i'd give it a chance.
 
2013-05-04 02:16:21 PM
As far as the space western thing, the setting was never really that developed in the show, but I've seen that type of setting be thoroughly and realistically developed in other places.

Just because high technology exists certainly doesn't mean it is spread uniformly.  In a setting where cargo hauling is limited, it makes perfect sense that colonies would be technologically backwards.  If the colony ship couldn't bring factories/replicators or whatever with them, then the colony can't produce high technology, it has to develop itself over the years after its settlement to do that, if it wants to.  Specialized colonies (resource settlements like that of the mudders) wouldn't necessarily do that.  In the meantime, you have a colony that is economically dependent on its homeworld which provides raw materials and a captive market.  This may be further oppressed to keep this situation more permanent, depending on the setting.

As for riding horses and such, why waste space bringing vehicles (or at least more than a few) in the colony ship?  Bring frozen animal embryos and a ship's lab to make any necessary genetic alterations instead.
 
2013-05-04 02:18:00 PM

rugman11: xkenny13: Make no mistake, the Firefly fan base has been growing for a decade ... saying there just aren't enough fans is pure crap, and for the life of me, I can't see why people keep getting this part wrong.

FTFA: "The Firefly fan is still the Firefly fan from when it was on TV and there's fewer of them and they're more passionate every year. "

I'm not necessarily saying he's right, but your argument isn't exactly refuting his point.  What Firefly fans there are get more passionate and will fill a convention hall that seats a couple thousand, but are there ten million of them?  Fewer than five million were watching when the show was cancelled.  Based on the box office gross and the average ticket price, fewer than four million tickets were sold for the movie (and that doesn't factor in repeat viewings).  What makes you think that there are still enough people out there who care enough about a show that aired a decade ago to get somebody to spend $20 million+ to make new content?


I had never heard of Firefly until after Serenity was already out of theaters.  Since then, I have become a fan and have converted 10-20 others, and this seems to be a common pattern.  It's just anecdotes, but what he says clashes with what is commonly experienced, so people argue against it.  Plenty of new, totally shiat, sci-fi shows start every year. It's a little unbelievable to think a new Firefly-type show, set in that universe, would do worse than one of these.  It's not like ONLY fans of the old show would watch, they would pick up a new audience as well.
 
2013-05-04 02:20:29 PM

rugman11: ou're missing the other aspect of internet culture, though, in that its boost for cult fandom has also created an increasingly insular society in which people tend to gravitate toward other people who think the same way and we end up thinking that everybody is like us.


Except those are the places where people congregate in order to discuss. Per your example of the comments, folks on those have watched the episode of Community and therefore are not there to share. Comments about Community, though, were made on Facebook after the numerous preceding the fourth season, and I showed Community to a few friends who now watch via Hulu. This is what my example is about; pure viewership now is not a great metric when you could harness several tools to generate high, broad interest, and with a strong if small fanbase this is more possible.
 
2013-05-04 02:23:23 PM
...on the media outlet of SyFy.

Fark you, Bonnie Hammer.
 
2013-05-04 02:23:57 PM

Saborlas: Uisce Beatha: Wash and Book are dead

Pretty sure that if it weren't for some asshole Fox middle-manager who scheduled the show for the Friday primetime death slot and aired the episodes out of order, said deaths would never have happened.

Lesson learned: the guys in charge of scheduling at Fox will kill your show if they even THINK that you've slighted them. No surprise.


The only effect Fox had on Book and Wash dying was that they both ended up dead in the same movie because the show was canceled and Whedon had one movie with which to tie up his story.  Had they kept the show on the air, Book and Wash would have still died, but probably over a couple of seasons (or at least a number of episodes apart).
 
2013-05-04 02:25:06 PM
bring back Brisco County Jr
 
2013-05-04 02:26:40 PM
Firefly was a good show but it'd be impossible to bring back except as a animated series and that won't happen.

Personally, I'm happy with how it turned out and have no need to request more of it. I feel it would've gotten more convoluted and offputting the longer it went on.
 
2013-05-04 02:30:40 PM
It's pretty easy.  Firefly is inaccessible.  Arrested Development is accessible. One has a single Prime demographic, while the other has much more access to other demographics because it's not a science fiction Western and instead a modern comedy with a wide range of well known comic actors and top notch writing talent.  Both have fan bases, but one has reruns on Science Channel and one has reruns on IFC
 
2013-05-04 02:30:44 PM

duckpoopy: Firefly was cancelled because nobody watched it. Nobody watched it because the writing and acting were terrible.


Shut your whore mouth, the writing was exquisite.
 
2013-05-04 02:31:00 PM
The show was torpedoed and sabotaged pretty much from the get go by the exec's office. Like much of his predecessor's programming. Afterwards, the offices realized that they might have killed a Golden Goose, but by then it was too late.

It was a great show that died too soon, not because it sucked, but because of office politics. The cast has moved on, and really it's five or six years too late to revive it. It would be great to see a related show set in the 'Verse, but it won't have the magic. Part of it was cast, part of it was the timing, part of it was where everyone was in their careers. It was a great show, and hopefully a lesson for folks to take care in who they put their faith into. Fox? Not so much. There are other networks and other studios. Whedon's lesson for everyone to take something from. Much like trying to go anything with SyFi now.

It was a great show, and while it would be great to have another show set in the 'Verse, I can let it be what it was.
 
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