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2013-05-04 09:46:31 PM

NeoCortex42: On a BBC America-related note, I just caught up on Orphan Black this past week. Pretty damn good show. Hopefully the new cast member that showed up in tonight's episode is around for a while.


I'm liking OB as well. Though I think it's weird that they seem to be trying to disguise the fact that it's shot in Canada, for some reason.
 
2013-05-04 09:46:49 PM

t3knomanser: Also, when the Doctor was acting... ahem...  woodenly, did anyone else feel like they were watching Peter Davidson? I suspect it was intentional, since they made a callback to Teegan.


I missed the Teegan reference.  What was it?
 
2013-05-04 09:48:15 PM

Jocundry: t3knomanser: Also, when the Doctor was acting... ahem...  woodenly, did anyone else feel like they were watching Peter Davidson? I suspect it was intentional, since they made a callback to Teegan.

I missed the Teegan reference.  What was it?


The Doctor mentions how he spent quite a while trying to get a gobby Australian to Heathrow airport.
 
2013-05-04 09:49:31 PM

Great Janitor: angrymacface: t3knomanser: Also, when the Doctor was acting... ahem...  woodenly, did anyone else feel like they were watching Peter Davidson? I suspect it was intentional, since they made a callback to Teegan.

Every episode so far has had something that calls back to a previous Doctor, if only a reference or idea.

Rings of Akhaten: 1st Doctor - The Doctor mentions bringing Susan there long ago.
Cold War: 2nd Doctor - HADS and the Ice Warrior
Hide: 3rd Doctor - the crystal from Metebelis III
Journey to the Center of the Tardis: 4th Doctor - the interior of the Tardis (including the glimpse of the pool) and the Eye of Harmony

Journey to the Center of the TARDIS also had the Seventh Doctor's umbrella.


I enjoyed the episode, first time I've seen the library (must have taken a while to get the place dry), but what I wanted to see was a copy of the very first console, with the food replicator and random doohickeys
 
2013-05-04 09:52:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Jocundry: t3knomanser: Also, when the Doctor was acting... ahem...  woodenly, did anyone else feel like they were watching Peter Davidson? I suspect it was intentional, since they made a callback to Teegan.

I missed the Teegan reference.  What was it?

The Doctor mentions how he spent quite a while trying to get a gobby Australian to Heathrow airport.


Also, "Brave heart Clara."  is a reference to "Brave heat Tegan."
 
2013-05-04 09:53:04 PM
Good episode, probably the best Mark Gatiss episode, not that that's a particularly high bar.
I'm looking forward to next week with the kids traveling in the Tardis, and it'll be interesting when Clara starts asking questions about the photo of other Clara.
 
2013-05-04 09:53:29 PM

Jocundry: I missed the Teegan reference.  What was it?


He talks about his problems getting someone back to Australia, and then says "Brave heart, Clara"
 
2013-05-04 09:54:48 PM

Great Janitor: Journey to the Center of the TARDIS also had the Seventh Doctor's umbrella.


No, that was the one that Matt Smith has been using. He had it in "Hide". You can tell it's not Seven's because the handle wasn't in the shape of a question mark.
 
2013-05-04 10:06:30 PM

angrymacface: handle wasn't in the shape of a question mark.


Any Dr Who novelty stores that sell such a thing, BTW? Reckon it wouldn't be hard to make, though, and cool to have, even if it's not a sonic screwdriver
 
2013-05-04 10:06:42 PM

rynthetyn: Good episode, probably the best Mark Gatiss episode, not that that's a particularly high bar.
I'm looking forward to next week with the kids traveling in the Tardis, and it'll be interesting when Clara starts asking questions about the photo of other Clara.


Given that the season is coming to an end, we need that explained.  I am hoping the answer is not Clara having died in "The Snowmen" and the one we see now is the past unexperienced Clara.  But, if it is, then my theory holds:  "She's captured in the future by Daleks, converted into one, doesn't realize she is one via her fantasy land escape, manages to transfer her consciousness into the Dalek command network (we saw her use it expertly), use their technology to clone herself a new body (Daleks can convert people into Daleks, so it's not unreasonable to assume they could genetically engineer other beings), put herself into the new body (the audio play series 'Dalek Empire' had the Dalek Emperor transfer himself into the mind of a woman for safe keeping and then when the Daleks chose to extract the Emperor the refused and chose amalgamation instead)  and then drop herself off into the past (Classic Who showed the Daleks with time travel).  That being said, I'll be disappointed if that's how it is explained.
 
2013-05-04 10:13:11 PM

angrymacface: t3knomanser: Also, when the Doctor was acting... ahem...  woodenly, did anyone else feel like they were watching Peter Davidson? I suspect it was intentional, since they made a callback to Teegan.

Every episode so far has had something that calls back to a previous Doctor, if only a reference or idea.

Rings of Akhaten: 1st Doctor - The Doctor mentions bringing Susan there long ago.
Cold War: 2nd Doctor - HADS and the Ice Warrior
Hide: 3rd Doctor - the crystal from Metebelis III
Journey to the Center of the Tardis: 4th Doctor - the interior of the Tardis (including the glimpse of the pool) and the Eye of Harmony


If this pattern holds up I can still have hope for Paul McGann showing up for the 50th Anniversary special.

Seriously just do it BBC, McGann seriously needs another filmed appearance, and Rose and clone 10 just isn't going to do it for guest appearances, you can't even call that a multi-Doctor episode.
 
2013-05-04 10:17:55 PM

t3knomanser: I hadn't noticed that they're counting up. Since the next episode is at an amusement park, I'm going to guess that we'll see a motley coat that evokes the 6th doctor's, but that might be a bit too on the nose- watch out for something that evokes the cat pin.


Hm, with this being a Neil Gaiman episode, I wouldn't be surprised if they go the cat pin route.
 
2013-05-04 10:23:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.


That explains it then. I've never had a gps, and haven't owned a car since 2005
 
2013-05-04 10:33:43 PM

NeoCortex42: mikieb: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

I didn't get it until someone said they had a Garmin. It's a reference to TomTom, the GPS system. I don't know if they even still make them.

I think they still make them.

My TomTom is voiced by BRIAN BLESSED. It makes every drive epic.


I thought you were kidding, but I did a google search and yes, it's real. I wonder if I can get it for my google maps app on my iphone. BRIAN BLESSED makes everything epic. The voice upgrade was in UK pounds only, so I don't know if I can even get it here in the states.
 
2013-05-04 10:35:20 PM

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2013-05-04 10:35:44 PM

dopekitty74: FirstNationalBastard: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.

That explains it then. I've never had a gps, and haven't owned a car since 2005


From what I remember/google, TomTom also no longer manufactures devices.  So it's not unexpected that it would whoosh over your head.
 
2013-05-04 11:04:46 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.


And this is the problem with this entire season. The writers work so hard to show how clever they are, and forget to just write interesting stories.
 
2013-05-04 11:11:46 PM

Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.

And this is the problem with this entire season. The writers work so hard to show how clever they are, and forget to just write interesting stories.


And it's not even that clever, either.
 
2013-05-04 11:13:35 PM

melewen: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.

And this is the problem with this entire season. The writers work so hard to show how clever they are, and forget to just write interesting stories.

And it's not even that clever, either.


Exactly. Trying to be clever is a form of stage fright. They're afraid their ideas aren't good enough, so they try to please the fanboys with references and gimmicks, instead of just telling a good story.
 
2013-05-04 11:15:58 PM

Great Janitor: I also had to explain to my wife the Tegan reference at the start.


Missed that one....

/explain?
 
2013-05-04 11:24:10 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Great Janitor: I also had to explain to my wife the Tegan reference at the start.

Missed that one....

/explain?


I guess I could have read the whole thread....
 
2013-05-04 11:24:47 PM

ArcadianRefugee: ArcadianRefugee: Great Janitor: I also had to explain to my wife the Tegan reference at the start.

Missed that one....

/explain?

I guess I could have read the whole thread....


Brave heart...
 
2013-05-04 11:29:35 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Great Janitor: I also had to explain to my wife the Tegan reference at the start.

Missed that one....

/explain?


The Brave heart Clara line, as well as getting the Australian to the airport.
 
2013-05-04 11:44:35 PM
This Doctor sure has a thing for Jenny (who can blame him) when they met up with the "supermodels" he's pointing his Sonic at them, but then Jenny rips off her clothes to revel a very skintight outfit he stares at her and his Sonic then points straight up in the air. Very cheeky.

Not sure about the kids in next week episode but looking forward to the Cybermen and how the Doctor will act if she get's a chance to bring up the picture of the other Clara.
 
2013-05-05 12:18:41 AM

dennysgod: This Doctor sure has a thing for Jenny (who can blame him) when they met up with the "supermodels" he's pointing his Sonic at them, but then Jenny rips off her clothes to revel a very skintight outfit he stares at her and his Sonic then points straight up in the air. Very cheeky.


I rather liked that she slapped him but good when he snogged her. This iteration of The Doctor has been snogging his companions willy nilly whether they want it or not, and he's been asking to be smacked.
 
2013-05-05 12:24:15 AM
Okay, Orphan Black watchers, that neolution dude on tonight's episode? I can't be the only one who thought he's a dead ringer for the illustrious governor of Florida, Rick Scott, can I?
 
2013-05-05 12:41:12 AM

rynthetyn: Okay, Orphan Black watchers, that neolution dude on tonight's episode? I can't be the only one who thought he's a dead ringer for the illustrious governor of Florida, Rick Scott, can I?


Max Headroom
 
2013-05-05 12:56:38 AM

Darth_Lukecash: crotchgrabber: Metalupis: crotchgrabber: Just from seeing the threads about Dr Who and hearing some people talk it up I'm quite intrigued. But I have never seen one minute of the show. Ever. How, and where should I start?

If possible start with the begining of the new series, Christopher Eckleston (spelling may be off there) made a great Doctor

Thanks! Is that the 2005 season?
It is on Netflix streaming, but be careful you don't choose the classic episodes by mistake. Not that there is anything wrong with them-outside of a low budget.

But if you're curious, do check out the First Doctors episode The Aztecs.


I watched those.   Meh.   I liked the Doctor as a sort of novelty, like "Oh, this was the first Doctor" kind of thing, but jesus.  The writing man.
 
2013-05-05 01:11:29 AM

Third Day Mark: I watched those. Meh. I liked the Doctor as a sort of novelty, like "Oh, this was the first Doctor" kind of thing, but jesus. The writing man.


Remember that Who started off as a kids' show*. I mean, really a kids' show. There was no "kids' show with snuck-in bits for adults" like a lot of today's kids' shows. So, yeah, the writing was rather lame.

/as Wikipedia puts it, "The programme was originally intended to appeal to a family audience...." Same thing.
 
2013-05-05 01:59:22 AM

mikieb: NeoCortex42: mikieb: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

I didn't get it until someone said they had a Garmin. It's a reference to TomTom, the GPS system. I don't know if they even still make them.

I think they still make them.

My TomTom is voiced by BRIAN BLESSED. It makes every drive epic.

I thought you were kidding, but I did a google search and yes, it's real. I wonder if I can get it for my google maps app on my iphone. BRIAN BLESSED makes everything epic. The voice upgrade was in UK pounds only, so I don't know if I can even get it here in the states.


I've got Eddie Izzard on my old Tom Tom, although the maps are so out of date now I just use my phone.
 
2013-05-05 02:05:56 AM

fusillade762: NeoCortex42: On a BBC America-related note, I just caught up on Orphan Black this past week. Pretty damn good show. Hopefully the new cast member that showed up in tonight's episode is around for a while.

I'm liking OB as well. Though I think it's weird that they seem to be trying to disguise the fact that it's shot in Canada, for some reason.


They have been pretty open about the show being set in Toronto. The plates on the cars are Ontario, and Sarah's big stack of cash was Canadian. They just haven't been going out of their way to point it out in the story the way Continuum showcases its Vancouver location.
 
2013-05-05 02:08:58 AM
Cosima's segments are being pointed out as being in Minneapolis, however, to establish her scenes are in another city, I will add.
 
2013-05-05 02:56:04 AM

OniExpress: dopekitty74: FirstNationalBastard: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

Thomas Thomas gives directions.

Tom Tom is a GPS device.

That explains it then. I've never had a gps, and haven't owned a car since 2005

From what I remember/google, TomTom also no longer manufactures devices.  So it's not unexpected that it would whoosh over your head.


Nope, TomTom is still going. They're a lot bigger in the EU than the states though.
 
2013-05-05 03:09:07 AM

crotchgrabber: Just from seeing the threads about Dr Who and hearing some people talk it up I'm quite intrigued. But I have never seen one minute of the show. Ever. How, and where should I start?


With nearly 50 years of history you can jump in anywhere and be just as confused as the rest of us.
 
2013-05-05 03:09:50 AM

whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.


I saw the Tom-Tom joke walking up the street and realized I'd reached my destination.
 
2013-05-05 03:16:40 AM
Turned into a bit of a taco fiesta towards the climax. Nothing wrong with that. Just find something peculiar about it.

I like seeing Vastra, Jenny, and Strax in these one-off gigs. Once a season works for me (okay, and a Xmas Special). If they just get one more character and another appearance or two I think BBC would have a legitimate potential spinoff on their hands. Just develop the characters and their dynamics a little bit more and the work is already done with establishing them.

Crazy idea time. Imagine a series like Sarah Jane Adventures, but it's more of an anthology show in which week after week you get different adventures with the various popular, breakout characters as well as past companions and even villains of Doctor Who but without The Doctor? One week it's The Victorian Trio, another it's River Song. The next The Ponds return for a one-off, and then it's off to see a story in which The Doctor is not there to stop the Cybermen. We catch up with Craig Owens and Stormageddon and then we conclude with an adventure with Captain Jack. That's six episodes right there. Sets can be reused and shows can be shot simultaneously cutting down production time.

Alternative, crazy idea: imagine if that set of episodes - six in all from my brainstorm there - were woven into the show proper? Every three episodes you get a break from The Doctor and meet old friends who get to step out of his shadow. And you get 50% more DW by the end of it all.

Like I said - crazy idea. But it could be fun.
 
2013-05-05 03:22:55 AM
The toy on the bench in the kid's home was the transformer Galvatron.  What is a 1985 toy doing in a 2013 home?
 
2013-05-05 04:23:17 AM
Kids in the TARDIS? I've been fine with most of Moffat's decisions until now. thisisanoutrage.jpg
 
2013-05-05 04:38:00 AM

magneticmushroom: Kids in the TARDIS? I've been fine with most of Moffat's decisions until now. thisisanoutrage.jpg


I'm hoping that it was required because Neil Gaiman wanted them there in his story, and then they disappear the next episode.
 
2013-05-05 07:23:58 AM

mikieb: NeoCortex42: mikieb: dopekitty74: whyaduck: Wow. I am dense. I just got the Thomas joke too. But in my defense I own a Garmin.

Sigh, everyone else seems to be getting it, but I don't....

Help!

I didn't get it until someone said they had a Garmin. It's a reference to TomTom, the GPS system. I don't know if they even still make them.

I think they still make them.

My TomTom is voiced by BRIAN BLESSED. It makes every drive epic.

I thought you were kidding, but I did a google search and yes, it's real. I wonder if I can get it for my google maps app on my iphone. BRIAN BLESSED makes everything epic. The voice upgrade was in UK pounds only, so I don't know if I can even get it here in the states.


I'm in the states and had no problem buying the voice pack.
 
2013-05-05 08:42:26 AM

Mad_Radhu: magneticmushroom: Kids in the TARDIS? I've been fine with most of Moffat's decisions until now. thisisanoutrage.jpg

I'm hoping that it was required because Neil Gaiman wanted them there in his story, and then they disappear the next episode.


I hope that's the case.  The kids don't even have a good threat.  "We'll tell dad you're a time traveler."
"Well I'll point out that's crazy."
 
2013-05-05 08:48:05 AM

rynthetyn: dennysgod: This Doctor sure has a thing for Jenny (who can blame him) when they met up with the "supermodels" he's pointing his Sonic at them, but then Jenny rips off her clothes to revel a very skintight outfit he stares at her and his Sonic then points straight up in the air. Very cheeky.

I rather liked that she slapped him but good when he snogged her. This iteration of The Doctor has been snogging his companions willy nilly whether they want it or not, and he's been asking to be smacked.


They missed the obvious rejoiner: "Doctor! Please! I'm a married woman!"
 
2013-05-05 09:22:04 AM

OtherLittleGuy: rynthetyn: dennysgod: This Doctor sure has a thing for Jenny (who can blame him) when they met up with the "supermodels" he's pointing his Sonic at them, but then Jenny rips off her clothes to revel a very skintight outfit he stares at her and his Sonic then points straight up in the air. Very cheeky.

I rather liked that she slapped him but good when he snogged her. This iteration of The Doctor has been snogging his companions willy nilly whether they want it or not, and he's been asking to be smacked.

They missed the obvious rejoiner: "Doctor! Please! I'm a married woman!"


 Hah.  That would have been a good bit.
 
2013-05-05 11:20:37 AM

narkor: The toy on the bench in the kid's home was the transformer Galvatron.  What is a 1985 toy doing in a 2013 home?


People collect toys?
 
2013-05-05 12:04:10 PM
Two (very minor) quibbles I had with the episode:

1) Too much Doctor and Clara; this episode would have been quite a bit better if the Doctor had been rescued in the last 10 minutes (or less), and it was Lizard, Cat and Potato who solved it and rescued the Doctor and Clara at the end.

2) The picture from the Submarine being found online. That seems way too convenient  the Ghost Hunters I can (somewhat) forgive, being both from England which was somewhat more free than the USSR in the 1980's and somewhat off the books rather than official government business. But having that picture from the sub online doesn't fit well with me.

Other than that, I quite enjoyed the episode.
 
2013-05-05 12:08:56 PM

narkor: The toy on the bench in the kid's home was the transformer Galvatron.  What is a 1985 toy doing in a 2013 home?


Two Christmases ago my mom found a Christmas present she bought me in the 80's but lost. She gave it to my 5 year old nephew. It was Slag, the Triceratops Dinobot.

/In the original packaging, still sealed.
//I almost cried when I saw him bashing it into the couch, knowing how much it might have been worth.
 
2013-05-05 12:45:05 PM
I quite enjoyed this weeks adventure.  I liked that a significant chunk didn't include The Doctor or Companion, but I don't think there was too much of them - the show is Doctor Who after all.  The story flowed well, and everything came together rather nicely at the end, and then the epilogue leading into next week- I think this is the first time this season where I have both thoroughly enjoyed an episode, and found the preview of the next one make me look forward to it..


Techhell: narkor: The toy on the bench in the kid's home was the transformer Galvatron. What is a 1985 toy doing in a 2013 home?

Two Christmases ago my mom found a Christmas present she bought me in the 80's but lost. She gave it to my 5 year old nephew. It was Slag, the Triceratops Dinobot.

/In the original packaging, still sealed.
//I almost cried when I saw him bashing it into the couch, knowing how much it might have been worth.


That's horrifying.

/I'd have opened it to play with it too, but I'd have done so with the appropriate appreciation
 
2013-05-05 01:02:57 PM
So, am I nuts or was Rory in the lineup of preserved people? Cause that's just awesome.
 
2013-05-05 01:12:52 PM
Definitely the best of the season thus far. I'd love to be in the middle of a Clara-Jenny sammich.
 
2013-05-05 01:13:56 PM

Apos: Definitely the best episode of the season thus far. I'd love to be in the middle of a Clara-Jenny sammich.



Fixed.
 
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