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(Time)   Author investigates why Iron Man is so much cooler than Thor and Captain America. If you guessed because of Robert Downey Jr, step up and claim your prize   (entertainment.time.com) divider line 96
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2013-05-04 09:27:17 AM
Granted, Iron Man  is more fun. Thor is just a dull character. Any interesting things happen around him. Captain America could be interesting. Man out of his element or bring back his original cohorts: the mechanical Human Torch and Namor.
 
2013-05-04 09:51:06 AM
There have been some interesting moments with Thor:

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2013-05-04 10:35:04 AM
Iron Man is a drunk billionaire cocksman. The other two are kind of gay by comparison.

/NNTAWWT
 
2013-05-04 10:51:49 AM
I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.
 
2013-05-04 10:55:39 AM

Ambivalence: I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.


I dunno, they tried it twice already. I don't think the character lends itself to a feature film.
 
2013-05-04 10:57:42 AM
If we were only talking about the Avengers, sure, I might be willing to concede the point.  But TFA's first paragraph says, "Iron Man is currently the only Marvel movie superhero who is really worth watching on screen"

Depending on how they are treated, and if they can actually get a decent movie behind them, Logan, Deadpool, Spiderman, hell, a whole bevy of Marvel characters might beg to disagree.
 
2013-05-04 12:11:39 PM
Thanks, Ric Romero.
 
2013-05-04 12:14:14 PM
The thing that irked me with Captain America is the fact that they broke so many rules of the series. The scene where he's running down the industrial hallway shooting lasers and killing Nazis was absolutely unwatchable.

Iron Man is a prick by nature, and Robert Downey Jr fills the role perfectly.
 
2013-05-04 12:41:22 PM
This is good news, the man needed an ego boost.
 
2013-05-04 12:47:45 PM
Iron Man is California Batman.  It's fun, but it gets old after a while.  FTR I enjoyed Thor, Captain America and the Ed Norton Hulk.
 
2013-05-04 12:51:09 PM
I couldn't stand Captain America in the Avengers
 
2013-05-04 12:56:19 PM
Uisce Beatha:Depending on how they are treated, and if they can actually get a decent movie behind them, Logan, Deadpool, Spiderman, hell, a whole bevy of Marvel characters might beg to disagree.

I was so excited to possibly see Ryan Reynolds in a stand alone Deadpool movie.  Then his Deadpool character became a test pilot, got a magic ring and a sucky movie, now I don't care so much.
 
2013-05-04 01:08:09 PM
I don't know. Iron man 3 was pretty gay.
 
2013-05-04 01:08:18 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The thing that irked me with Captain America is the fact that they broke so many rules of the series. The scene where he's running down the industrial hallway shooting lasers and killing Nazis was absolutely unwatchable.

Iron Man is a prick by nature, and Robert Downey Jr fills the role perfectly.


As somebody who is at best a casual fan of superhero comics, what was wrong with that?

Is Captain America supposed to have that same "never, ever kill, ever" lameness that Superman has and many versions of Batman have?  That's one big reason I honestly find Superman boring as toast.

In that movie scene, Captain Steve Rogers was supposed to be a commissioned Officer in the US Army, in time of war, behind enemy lines, engaging the enemy.  If he wasn't shooting to kill, he'd be doing it wrong.

Was it lasers?  With all the wacky superscience of comic books and Nazi energy weapons drawing power from a cosmic cube in World War II was the breaking point to you?
 
2013-05-04 01:18:09 PM

BigLuca: I was so excited to possibly see Ryan Reynolds in a stand alone Deadpool movie. Then his Deadpool character became a test pilot, got a magic ring and a sucky movie, now I don't care so much.


Concur.  As Ryan Reynolds was such a self-professed fan, I had hopes that a movie that did Deadpool justice might actually happen.  Then X-Men Origins: Wolverine happened.
 
2013-05-04 01:19:43 PM

BigLuca: Uisce Beatha:Depending on how they are treated, and if they can actually get a decent movie behind them, Logan, Deadpool, Spiderman, hell, a whole bevy of Marvel characters might beg to disagree.

I was so excited to possibly see Ryan Reynolds in a stand alone Deadpool movie.  Then his Deadpool character became a test pilot, got a magic ring and a sucky movie, now I don't care so much.



THIS!
 
2013-05-04 01:24:40 PM

simplicimus: Granted, Iron Man  is more fun. Thor is just a dull character. Any interesting things happen around him. Captain America could be interesting. Man out of his element or bring back his original cohorts: the mechanical Human Torch and Namor.


Thor, dull? This is a guy who will ride into Hell and fight the Goddess of Death. Whilst speechifying an an amazing faux-Shakesperian manner, and blowing up hordes of bad guys with lightning bolts from a hammer. If that's not your thing, cool, but not every hero has to have a dark side to be fun.
 
2013-05-04 01:25:41 PM
BS.

Thor absolutely kicks mortal ass.  O, he spouts in prose and all that but Thor in "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" is freekin awesome.
 
2013-05-04 01:33:08 PM
Any patriotic hero like Captain America just isn't exciting anymore, because innate in his character is the implication that non-American lives are less valuable than American ones. It's this weird American exceptionalism that is increasingly less and less relevant.

And Thor has a funny Danish accent.
 
2013-05-04 01:39:17 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Any patriotic hero like Captain America just isn't exciting anymore, because innate in his character is the implication that non-American lives are less valuable than American ones. It's this weird American exceptionalism that is increasingly less and less relevant.

And Thor has a funny Danish accent.


There's nothing wrong with think your people are better.  As a matter of fact, every culture across the globe does the same exact thing.  The only difference is, they don't have douchebags apologizing for it.
 
2013-05-04 01:45:33 PM
I pointed out to a friend after IM3 why RDJ was so good as Tony Stark. The guy isn't exactly acting to play a rich, famous, alcoholic smartass. That's been his life for awhile now.

The whole kickass robot suit thing is the actual acting gig.

/Also, Captain America was cool, people were pissy he wasn't an angry, angsty guy
//Same on Thor; that movie kicked 10 times of ass with Loki
 
2013-05-04 01:51:39 PM
Pretty sure they nailed it in "The Avengers" -- Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
 
2013-05-04 02:38:01 PM

Silverstaff: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The thing that irked me with Captain America is the fact that they broke so many rules of the series. The scene where he's running down the industrial hallway shooting lasers and killing Nazis was absolutely unwatchable.

Iron Man is a prick by nature, and Robert Downey Jr fills the role perfectly.

As somebody who is at best a casual fan of superhero comics, what was wrong with that?

Is Captain America supposed to have that same "never, ever kill, ever" lameness that Superman has and many versions of Batman have?  That's one big reason I honestly find Superman boring as toast.

In that movie scene, Captain Steve Rogers was supposed to be a commissioned Officer in the US Army, in time of war, behind enemy lines, engaging the enemy.  If he wasn't shooting to kill, he'd be doing it wrong.

Was it lasers?  With all the wacky superscience of comic books and Nazi energy weapons drawing power from a cosmic cube in World War II was the breaking point to you?



Cap has killed, and will kill again. He's a SOLDIER.  He killed from the very first time he appeared. Does he try to avoid it in non-war situations? Yes. He prefers to capture and imprison, partly because he's a hero and partly because he knows first-hand that sometimes rehabilitated villains make excellent allies.

But Captain American never shied away from killing when in the middle of a war, and Ultimate Captain America is actually pretty fond of killing enemies he thinks aren't worth saving.

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Captain America is NOT Batman.

/Though when they fought each other, Batman admitted he couldn't beat Cap in a straight fight.
//Super-soldier versus peak human. Eventually, Batman would lose.
///Cap's a better tactician, as skilled a fighter, and heals pretty quickly.
////Oh yeah, and CAP KILLS IF HE HAS TO.
 
2013-05-04 02:40:42 PM
Out of three first movies for the characters listed (Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America), I think Iron Man was the best. This is thanks to RD,Jr., good writing, and the lack of a romance subplot being shoehorned into the middle of everything needlessly. Yes, it was there, but it was minor and did not distract much.

Captain America was awesome in the way that they subverted the whole concept, having him stuck selling war bonds for half the movie. The execution of the movie concept did not worship the hero needlessly.

Thor was, I must say, vastly better than I thought it would be. Chris Hemsworth was just lunky and egotistical enough, Tom Hiddleston was by far the best villain I've seen in a long time, Stringer Bell did a great job guarding the bridge, and everyone else was fantastic...except for Natalie Portman. Please, Natalie, hurry up and die, and quit ruining movies with your 'acting'. Your two facial expressions ("stupid and amused" and "constipated") are both painful to watch. Her aside, the comic timing in some of the scenes was perfect, e.g. when they back over Thor just after the research assistant cocks her TASER. Also, it was directed by Kenneth Branagh, for crying out loud.
 
2013-05-04 02:42:08 PM
Okay, I'll grant that a couple images are Bucky-Cap, and one might be 1950s Captain America, who is actually a bit of a crazy right-wing asshole and not the real Steve Rogers, but the others are Ultimate Cap and 616 Cap, and he doesn't have a problem with guns or mortally wounding an enemy if the situation calls for it.

He's not the Punisher, but he is a soldier.
 
2013-05-04 02:43:14 PM

ZeroCorpse: ///Cap's a better tactician, as skilled a fighter, and heals pretty quickly.


Better tactician, maybe, but not a better strategist. As always, if Batman has the time to plan, then Cap (and most anyone else) is screwed.
 
2013-05-04 02:47:27 PM

Silverstaff: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The thing that irked me with Captain America is the fact that they broke so many rules of the series. The scene where he's running down the industrial hallway shooting lasers and killing Nazis was absolutely unwatchable.

Iron Man is a prick by nature, and Robert Downey Jr fills the role perfectly.

As somebody who is at best a casual fan of superhero comics, what was wrong with that?

Is Captain America supposed to have that same "never, ever kill, ever" lameness that Superman has and many versions of Batman have?  That's one big reason I honestly find Superman boring as toast.

In that movie scene, Captain Steve Rogers was supposed to be a commissioned Officer in the US Army, in time of war, behind enemy lines, engaging the enemy.  If he wasn't shooting to kill, he'd be doing it wrong.

Was it lasers?  With all the wacky superscience of comic books and Nazi energy weapons drawing power from a cosmic cube in World War II was the breaking point to you?


It's not the never kill thing. He kills if he has to or if he feels that something is too dangerous to live, but he doesn't go out of his way to do it.

The breaking point for me was the lasers and Nazis tropes. I get that Nazis were the time period, and lasers make cool weapons, but the absurdity of Captain America running down a hallway with a laser rifle and then having the camera cut to a close up to show he's being heroic. Marvel heroes are people who by circumstance were required to be heroes. DC heroes walk tall and basically scream "LOOK AT HOW F***ING GLORIOUS I AM"

I enjoyed the first part of the movie (young kid gets mutated, has emotional problems, and tries to figure out what the hell happened) much more than the second part. Your mileage may vary.
 
2013-05-04 02:58:01 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Any patriotic hero like Captain America just isn't exciting anymore, because innate in his character is the implication that non-American lives are less valuable than American ones. It's this weird American exceptionalism that is increasingly less and less relevant.


I disagree, even as a non-American.  His film flagrantly discarded the "rah-rah" jingoism that he was born in and portrayed it for the propaganda piece it always was, and it's now an inherent part of his character.  Cap actually took a stand  against that stuff; that's the turning point in his film, when he starts making his own choices to be a hero.

The character was "born" in the WWII propaganda era, essentially.  He was the embodiment of the American ideal.  And that's  exactly how they chose to use him today, and if they don't want to cheapen it, it's going to remain his focus; he  isthe American ideal, of a  different America than the one he lives in today.  He's a man out of time, but he harks back to all the better things of that earlier era.

He's a great character because of this, and it's why he ends up as the leader of the Avengers.  Not because he's stronger than the others.  Not because he's smarter.  Because he's a  better man, and they know it.  That's why he asked the "take away the suit and who are you?" in the Avengers.  He wasn't asking about  power.  He was asking about  character.  That he'd ask is perfect for him, and Stark's response is perfect.  Not because it's 'right', but because it lays out the difference between the two; Cap is all about heart, Stark is all about being rich and famous.  Which is also why Stark, in the comics, had his bout with alcoholism; he's a flawed man, at heart.  Thor has superiority issues and underestimates mortals, and can be overly violent.  Hulk is just a raging smash machine.  They're all flawed.  Cap really isn't.

And now he's stuck in a world where flaws are vaunted as virtues.  That's the point of his exchange with Stark.  And it's why he's still an interesting character.
 
2013-05-04 03:15:36 PM
Captain America movie, huh?

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Rawr
 
2013-05-04 03:20:49 PM

Mugato: Ambivalence: I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.

I dunno, they tried it twice already. I don't think the character lends itself to a feature film.


Not solo, but with a partner or sidekick, sure.
 
2013-05-04 03:27:59 PM

Thorak: He's a great character because of this, and it's why he ends up as the leader of the Avengers.  Not because he's stronger than the others.  Not because he's smarter.  Because he's a  better man, and they know it.  That's why he asked the "take away the suit and who are you?" in the Avengers.  He wasn't asking about  power.  He was asking about  character.  That he'd ask is perfect for him, and Stark's response is perfect.  Not because it's 'right', but because it lays out the difference between the two; Cap is all about heart, Stark is all about being rich and famous.  Which is also why Stark, in the comics, had his bout with alcoholism; he's a flawed man, at heart.  Thor has superiority issues and underestimates mortals, and can be overly violent.  Hulk is just a raging smash machine.  They're all flawed.  Cap really isn't.

And now he's stuck in a world where flaws are vaunted as virtues.  That's the point of his exchange with Stark.  And it's why he's still an interesting character.


Flawless characters are about as uninteresting as you can get.

The ultimates version beats the pants off of mainstream captain america. Especially since they get rid of that "peak human yet I beat up guys that can bench tanks" nonsense.
 
2013-05-04 03:28:42 PM
Haven't seen Iron Man 3 yet, but two was pretty boring. Even Mikey Rourke and Sam Rockwell couldn't renew my interest, however much I wanted I to. I liked the first one alright. I thought Thor was good, not quite as climactic as I hoped, but not underwhelming. I didn't really care for Captain America with the Nazi muscle car and cartoonish elements blended with a Savin Pvt Ryan backdrop, but I didn't think it was terrible. He's just never interested me that much, but I did find Hugo Weaving amusing. But they were all fine origin/intro stories. I don't think anyone can really make any calls on which franchise is the best yet though because, Dark World and Winter Soldier have yet to come out. I think both have the potential to be awesome. I just hope Beta Ray Bill doesn't make an appearance, he would not translate well, no matter how much much of a fan favorite he seems to be, it would be ridiculous. I say thee nay.
 
2013-05-04 03:41:00 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Captain America movie, huh?

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I love my fiancee with all my heart, and I would never step out on her... But I have to admit that I would not turn down the opportunity to stare at Ms. Atwell's naked breasts in close proximity. For like 27 seconds.

/I wouldn't touch.
//I prefer my girl's body, but we can still appreciate a nice rack when we see it.
 
2013-05-04 03:41:58 PM
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Seriously. I don't think anyone could blame me.
 
2013-05-04 03:45:34 PM
Iron Man is the ONLY superhero I was ever interested in because he's plausible. It's possible to build some kind of super-duper armor suit. Not with today's tech, but maybe in the future.

I simply don't take "super powers" seriously. So forget the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, etc. Just not believable.

/also, how does Aquaman poop?
 
2013-05-04 03:47:49 PM
Just got back from Iron Man 3 and it wasn't bad, but they should have called it Tony Stark 3.

Also, Tony Stark wasn't a cocky SOB before Downey. He is NOW - because of Downey.
 
2013-05-04 03:54:15 PM

mark12A: Iron Man is the ONLY superhero I was ever interested in because he's plausible. It's possible to build some kind of super-duper armor suit. Not with today's tech, but maybe in the future.

I simply don't take "super powers" seriously. So forget the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, etc. Just not believable.

/also, how does Aquaman poop?


Actually, with genetic engineering, we may see people with "super powers" some day. Maybe not eye-beams or controlling weather, but enhanced speed, endurance, strength, and senses most definitely. Splicing animal traits into humans may some day be possible, too. We'd be closer to it now if there weren't international laws against hybridizing humans and animals.

/He uses his telepathy to call   bottom dwellers.
 
2013-05-04 04:03:46 PM

LDM90: Just got back from Iron Man 3 and it wasn't bad, but they should have called it Tony Stark 3.

Also, Tony Stark wasn't a cocky SOB before Downey. He is NOW - because of Downey.


No, Tony was always kind of a dick. And he was definitely a bit arrogant. And he was really a man-whore.

People say Iron Man is basically Batman in California, but that's not quite true. Tony Stark IS a billionaire playboy. Bruce Wayne only ever pretended to be a playboy.

Also, Stark has used his genius to invent things the world needed and used. ALL of Bruce Wayne's innovations have been kept secret. He doesn't share shiat.
 
2013-05-04 04:16:06 PM
Just got back from IM3 and it was AWESOME, better than 2, on a par with the first.  Quite a roller-coaster, plot, script, and character-wise, with so much crammed into 130 minutes the editors were geniuses.

Kingslet was terrific in it, Guy Pierce was full of Guy Pierceness, Downey ran the gamut of emotions. Plenty of surprises and little Easter-eggs here and there. Stan has his cameo.

Though the third movie draws from the comic book series' cannon, what they did is re-mix and re-order some things that really worked well for a movie.  The comic fans will have years of arguments over the re-worked plots and canon, but speaking as an original fan since my sixties childhood, I enjoyed  the heck out of it and would love to see a  fourth one, if it was as good as this.
 
2013-05-04 04:30:15 PM

LDM90: Just got back from Iron Man 3 and it wasn't bad, but they should have called it Tony Stark 3.

Also, Tony Stark wasn't a cocky SOB before Downey. He is NOW - because of Downey.


Yeah, it is interesting that both TDKR and IM3 took both heroes out of their super suits for most of the movie. movie. I did kind of like it, however, because RDJ is just so damn entertaining to watch. I even liked the Mandarin twist, although I wish they hadn't felt the need to spoil the "House Party" in the trailers.
 
2013-05-04 04:30:55 PM
Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good
 
2013-05-04 04:32:59 PM

BigLuca: Uisce Beatha:Depending on how they are treated, and if they can actually get a decent movie behind them, Logan, Deadpool, Spiderman, hell, a whole bevy of Marvel characters might beg to disagree.

I was so excited to possibly see Ryan Reynolds in a stand alone Deadpool movie.  Then his Deadpool character became a test pilot, got a magic ring and a sucky movie, now I don't care so much.


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2013-05-04 04:39:41 PM
So I've tried really hard to get into the Iron Man movies, but I just can't do it. And it has nothing to do with the script or directing. It's all RDJ's horrendous acting. I've noticed him repeating the same faces and tones over and over....when he bothers to act at all. And why does Tony Stark look like farking Al Pacino? It's just awful. All his roles are either men looking like they're horny or men who have a drinking problem. Has anyone else had this problem with the new Iron Man. Just me?
 
2013-05-04 04:43:26 PM

mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good


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2013-05-04 05:12:51 PM

epoch_destroi: All his roles are either men looking like they're horny or men who have a drinking problem. Has anyone else had this problem with the new Iron Man. Just me?


So... Tony Stark then.   He's a hyper rich arrogant man-whore who drinks way to much.   Even in the comic books he makes the Batman look like a good-two-shoes at certain points.
 
2013-05-04 05:40:10 PM

mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good


This is why engineers have never been in charge. They are technically adept children.
 
2013-05-04 06:04:24 PM

mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good


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2013-05-04 06:47:55 PM

theurge14: Cool story, mad scientist bro.


Mad engineer.
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2013-05-04 06:57:51 PM
Thor: Overbearing nigh-invulnerable Norse God with a tiny hammer and a universe sized ego.
Cap: Earnest Patriotic Soldier, looking to do the right thing at all times.
Iron Man: Rich, eccentric, genius arsehole who loves to womanize, drink and just be a smarmy sarcastic arse.

In most era's, Iron Man would be the one people love the most, even if they technically said they preferred Cap or even Thor.
 
2013-05-04 07:15:59 PM
Just got back from 3, not as good as the first one, but still pretty great. Him being a total dick to his kid sidekick was hilarious.

"Youre leaving?"

"Yeah, just like your dad."
 
2013-05-04 07:41:52 PM

mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good


Well said!

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2013-05-04 08:02:24 PM

Without Fail: mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good

This is why engineers have never been in charge. They are technically adept children.


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*cough*
 
2013-05-04 08:33:43 PM

Trocadero: Without Fail: mark12A: Tony Stark is the uber-Engineer. He is worshiped by us engineers because that's exactly what most of us engineers think of ourselves. With money and no interference from the government weasels, we could permanently fix ALL of the world's problems, no sweat. Fark diplomacy, fark navel gazing about  feelings and rights and cultural legitimacy and all that other crap. Build nukes for power, build dams for agriculture, build kick ass weapon systems and use them to exterminate bad guys once and for all, etc. If we could just get these goddamm Harvard/Yale/etc. policy wonks and their theories out of the farking way, we could get things DONE and SETTLED.

Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

And then proceed from there. All of this planet's material issues are easily solvable once you get the goddam politicians out of the way. Energy is not a proble. Food is not a problem. Politicians trying to steer the bus are the problem.

/whew
//that felt good

This is why engineers have never been in charge. They are technically adept children.

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*cough*


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2013-05-04 08:41:01 PM

mark12A: Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.


It's always been a pet theory of mine that all engineers are high-functioning autistics, or at the very least, have Aspergers.

There's a reason why the autistic philosophies of Libertarianism and Objectivism appeal to them so much. They have an almost completely sociopathic view of mankind.
 
2013-05-04 08:45:05 PM
RiffTrax is offering their Iron Man riff at $1 off this weekend. I knew I bought it for a reason.
 
2013-05-04 08:48:16 PM

Ishkur: mark12A: Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

It's always been a pet theory of mine that all engineers are high-functioning autistics, or at the very least, have Aspergers.

There's a reason why the autistic philosophies of Libertarianism and Objectivism appeal to them so much. They have an almost completely sociopathic view of mankind.


oh please, being able to understand complex things with annoying problems and finding appropriate solutions for them is autistic? whats wrong with the giant glass parking lot idea? afraid they are on the verge of giving humanity another contribution as worthwhile as algebra?
 
2013-05-04 08:48:40 PM

Ishkur: mark12A: Step one: nuke the farkin' middle east into a glassified parking lot and put them out of our misery. Just do it. Those barbarians are a lost cause. NOTHING will be lost by removing them from existence. Nothing.

It's always been a pet theory of mine that all engineers are high-functioning autistics, or at the very least, have Aspergers.

There's a reason why the autistic philosophies of Libertarianism and Objectivism appeal to them so much. They have an almost completely sociopathic view of mankind.




Don't forget the Salem Hypothesis.
 
2013-05-04 09:02:21 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: oh please, being able to understand complex things with annoying problems and finding appropriate solutions for them is autistic? whats wrong with the giant glass parking lot idea? afraid they are on the verge of giving humanity another contribution as worthwhile as algebra?


You do understand that we fought a giant war 70 years ago defeating people who thought like you, right?
 
2013-05-04 09:07:03 PM

Repo Man: Don't forget the Salem Hypothesis


It goes hand-in-hand with my other hypothesis that engineers aren't intelligent insomuch as they are skilled. They have been trained to problem solve a certain way, but not necessarily think critically about solving problems. So they are not good at figuring things out, they are good at figuring ONE thing out, usually whatever ties to their profession. So if all they know how to do is hammer, then they tend to solve every problem like its a nail.
 
2013-05-04 09:07:32 PM

Ishkur: Dr. Goldshnoz: oh please, being able to understand complex things with annoying problems and finding appropriate solutions for them is autistic? whats wrong with the giant glass parking lot idea? afraid they are on the verge of giving humanity another contribution as worthwhile as algebra?

You do understand that we fought a giant war 70 years ago defeating people who thought like you, right?


you do realize you're getting super serious on the internet right now, right?
 
2013-05-04 09:11:02 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: you do realize you're getting super serious on the internet right now, right?


I'm always super serious. Even when I'm trolling.
 
2013-05-04 09:21:01 PM

Ishkur: Dr. Goldshnoz: you do realize you're getting super serious on the internet right now, right?

I'm always super serious. Even when I'm trolling.


nice backpedal/10
 
2013-05-04 09:27:20 PM
Whether you are a conservative or a liberal, the type of person who thinks that the solution to all the world's problems is easy and that they alone see it, is the scariest and most dangerous type of person going.

Engineers have a statistically significant tendancy to be Fascists or Communists above the mean of every profession except for Physicians (even lawyers don't come close, possibly because they learn how falliable and stupid people are). Like the Professor in The Secret Agent, they think everybody else is a fool or a scoundrel and despise the masses of mankind for letting fools and scoundrels lead them.

They buy into conspiracy theories that even their technical expertise should easily show to be nonsense.

They believe that human problems and solutions can be reduced to the clear simple problems and solutions of engineering, mathematics, or the hard sciences. They are ignorant or dismissive the the humanities and arts. They despise religion and philosophy. They treat humans as things and "solve" them in terms of mechanics or physics.

They fail to realise that the world is far more chaotic and complex than their own narrow speciality. They fail to understand that the skills and aptitutudes of medicine, engineering, science or mathematics do not transfer readily to politics, sociology or psychology.

On the first day of classes at any university, some of the professors give the "we're not filling you with facts and numbers, we will teach you to think" speech. This is given to engineering classes and to humanity classes alike. Only the engineers are naive and dumb enough to believe it. That's one of several reasons why a study funded by a major bank and a major employer of engineers found that after 15 years at work, liberal arts students were better paid and had more responsible positions than students with Commerce or Engineering degrees. The other is that engineers and commerce students are really poor communicators and lack basic language skills.

I always say that the way to tell an engineer is smarter than his peers is that he is taking courses in English or History. The smart ones realize that they are missing something important, that there is something they need to become managers rather than just boobs in Sector 7G of the research and development department. The smart ones realize that they did not get the keys to the secrets of the Universe in their engineering or math classes.

The really really psychotic dumb ones (who may be extra-smart, of course) don't ever clue in. They think they can be engineers of human souls and lives. They are like Lucifer, the Second in Command of God, and the brightest thing in the sky after the Sun, proud in their ignorance of what it really takes to run the universe.

The Devil is an Ass, says the title of one of Ben Johnson's plays. Boy, is he ever! He thinks he knows better than God, who pulled order out of chaos and old night.

Human problems are intractible. They can not be solved with engineering. Trying to engineer people is one of the problems, not one of the solutions. Engineers are jack asses, especially computer software and hardware engineers. They can't write a manual for people who are ten times smarter than they are, and it takes ten times the wit and skill of that to write clearly and meaningfully for people who are dumber than you are, just as it takes a lot more time to write a five minute speech than a fifty minute speech.

Bugger off. Leave the human race alone. Just look at the damage that you've done with your engineering already. Soul-crushing machinery, buildings, civic plans, and political agendas that will be in Beta forever because they are complete and utter kludge and wouldn't work even if they were optimized because they are wrong-headed to start with.

A genuine conservative and a genuine liberal are brothers-in-arms next to an average engineer, much less a sociopathic one.

Take a look at a Brutalist building, a parking lot, or a shopping mall and remember that somebody once thought that would not only make life better for people, but make better people.

Consider that Frank Llyod Wright, a great architect was a very short man--and build buildings with ceilings that were comfortable for him. Bauhaus, Wagner, and all the pretentiousness and folly of dogmatic modernism had more to do with the Nazis than Darwin did. That's just a creationist nutter hatchet-job. It was German art and politics that did the harm, not subvervsive Jews or homosexuals or liberals or scientists.

Nietzsche managed to pass through Wagner and come out the other side. Insane, yes, but not stupid. His biotch sister married and Nazi and ran off to Argentina in the end, taking his reputation with her.

If you want to engineer human souls, you have to think on a Divine or geological scale. You can't do it in your lifetime, pissant. And even if you are Lucifer, fark you! God obviously had a reason to prefer humans to angels, because he made you angels bow down to us, not the other way round.

Man is not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath is made for Man. If only engineers and architects and other fools of that ilk would realize this and stop trying to fit us into their damn little boxes instead of outfitting us for life, the universe and everything like the poets, mystics, musicians and philosophers have tried to do.
 
2013-05-04 09:33:27 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: nice backpedal/10


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2013-05-04 09:40:27 PM
There are more Birthers and Truthers and End Time Survivalists in engineering departments, I'll bet, than even some of the dumber bits of the sociology and culture studies departments.

The conspiracy mentality is a direct product of the cynicism of burnt out idealists and utopians, but it is stronger on the right than the left because that old Christian belief in Original Sin is stronger there, and it fosters a distrust of others and of mankind even among the truly religious. Liberals tend towards Open social organization, conservatives toward Closed; liberals towards performance-based grammars and conservatives towards normative, grammar-Nazi based grammars. Engineers are in the far corner. Physicists may be mystics or theists, while the hard sciences and the softer sciences tend towards a solid skepticism, but engineering is too close to applied science for it not to meddle in economic or political or social theory for which it is ill-equipped.

Leave the humanities to humans, computer boy!

An engineer who says he is a scientist is a dumb ass and an ignoramus.
An engineer who thinks he knows anything about politics is a dip.

I'm a big fan of Scott Adams as he is very funny and occasionally provoking--sometimes of thought--but sometimes his engineering "autism" gets the better of him and something he has speculated on or just tossed off as a "what if" blows up in his face. He's a good subject to study if you want to understand a fairly intelligent and experienced engineer in the wild, without vivisection.
 
2013-05-04 09:41:32 PM
On The Daily Show RDR sure seemed sick of the role, not just promoting it. Especially with having to deal with adult Iron Man fans. It's the least charismatic I've ever seen him in a interview. Not judging him though since its so unrepresentative of his nature normally there's probably a quite legitimate cause. Poor John tried so hard to redeem the segment.
 
2013-05-04 09:48:00 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Any patriotic hero like Captain America just isn't exciting anymore, because innate in his character is the implication that non-American lives are less valuable than American ones. It's this weird American exceptionalism that is increasingly less and less relevant.

And Thor has a funny Danish accent.


You obviously don't know Captain America very well. He is a symbol of this country, and loves America very dearly, but he has also knows our country has flaws, and had left behind the Cap identity when he became disillusioned with America. Cap doesn't claim America is better than other countries, and treats ALL people equally.

If you think he represents "American Exceptionalism", quit listening to Glen Beck and try actually reading a Captain America comic.
 
2013-05-04 09:48:14 PM

brantgoose: Whether you are a conservative or a liberal, the type of person who thinks that the solution to all the world's problems is easy and that they alone see it, is the scariest and most dangerous type of person going.

Engineers have a statistically significant tendancy to be Fascists or Communists above the mean of every profession except for Physicians (even lawyers don't come close, possibly because they learn how falliable and stupid people are). Like the Professor in The Secret Agent, they think everybody else is a fool or a scoundrel and despise the masses of mankind for letting fools and scoundrels lead them.

They buy into conspiracy theories that even their technical expertise should easily show to be nonsense.

They believe that human problems and solutions can be reduced to the clear simple problems and solutions of engineering, mathematics, or the hard sciences. They are ignorant or dismissive the the humanities and arts. They despise religion and philosophy. They treat humans as things and "solve" them in terms of mechanics or physics.

They fail to realise that the world is far more chaotic and complex than their own narrow speciality. They fail to understand that the skills and aptitutudes of medicine, engineering, science or mathematics do not transfer readily to politics, sociology or psychology.

On the first day of classes at any university, some of the professors give the "we're not filling you with facts and numbers, we will teach you to think" speech. This is given to engineering classes and to humanity classes alike. Only the engineers are naive and dumb enough to believe it. That's one of several reasons why a study funded by a major bank and a major employer of engineers found that after 15 years at work, liberal arts students were better paid and had more responsible positions than students with Commerce or Engineering degrees. The other is that engineers and commerce students are really poor communicators and lack basic language skills.

I always say that the way to tell an engineer is smarter than his peers is that he is taking courses in English or History. The smart ones realize that they are missing something important, that there is something they need to become managers rather than just boobs in Sector 7G of the research and development department. The smart ones realize that they did not get the keys to the secrets of the Universe in their engineering or math classes.

The really really psychotic dumb ones (who may be extra-smart, of course) don't ever clue in. They think they can be engineers of human souls and lives. They are like Lucifer, the Second in Command of God, and the brightest thing in the sky after the Sun, proud in their ignorance of what it really takes to run the universe.

The Devil is an Ass, says the title of one of Ben Johnson's plays. Boy, is he ever! He thinks he knows better than God, who pulled order out of chaos and old night.

Human problems are intractible. They can not be solved with engineering. Trying to engineer people is one of the problems, not one of the solutions. Engineers are jack asses, especially computer software and hardware engineers. They can't write a manual for people who are ten times smarter than they are, and it takes ten times the wit and skill of that to write clearly and meaningfully for people who are dumber than you are, just as it takes a lot more time to write a five minute speech than a fifty minute speech.

Bugger off. Leave the human race alone. Just look at the damage that you've done with your engineering already. Soul-crushing machinery, buildings, civic plans, and political agendas that will be in Beta forever because they are complete and utter kludge and wouldn't work even if they were optimized because they are wrong-headed to start with.

A genuine conservative and a genuine liberal are brothers-in-arms next to an average engineer, much less a sociopathic one.

Take a look at a Brutalist building, a parking lot, or a shopping mall and remember that somebody once thought that would not only make life better for people, but make better people.

Consider that Frank Llyod Wright, a great architect was a very short man--and build buildings with ceilings that were comfortable for him. Bauhaus, Wagner, and all the pretentiousness and folly of dogmatic modernism had more to do with the Nazis than Darwin did. That's just a creationist nutter hatchet-job. It was German art and politics that did the harm, not subvervsive Jews or homosexuals or liberals or scientists.

Nietzsche managed to pass through Wagner and come out the other side. Insane, yes, but not stupid. His biotch sister married and Nazi and ran off to Argentina in the end, taking his reputation with her.

If you want to engineer human souls, you have to think on a Divine or geological scale. You can't do it in your lifetime, pissant. And even if you are Lucifer, fark you! God obviously had a reason to prefer humans to angels, because he made you angels bow down to us, not the other way round.

Man is not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath is made for Man. If only engineers and architects and other fools of that ilk would realize this and stop trying to fit us into their damn little boxes instead of outfitting us for life, the universe and everything like the poets, mystics, musicians and philosophers have tried to do.


goddamn that's a bigger wall of text than some war memorials.
 
2013-05-04 09:49:26 PM

mark12A: Iron Man is the ONLY superhero I was ever interested in because he's plausible. It's possible to build some kind of super-duper armor suit. Not with today's tech, but maybe in the future.

I simply don't take "super powers" seriously. So forget the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, etc. Just not believable.

/also, how does Aquaman poop?


So people building physics-breaking devices around their body: yes.

But people building or growing physics-breaking devices inside their body: no.

While I guess everyone has to draw the line on disbelief somewhere, I can't help feeling yours is a bit arbitrary.

//Also, Tony Stark being the reason Iron Man is interesting is not a novel idea.  In fact, it's pretty much the core concept of the character, that anyone that builds themselves some superpowers and goes out to punch crime in the face has got to be more interesting than the actual crime-fighting persona.
 
2013-05-04 09:51:16 PM

Any Pie Left: Just got back from IM3 and it was AWESOME, better than 2, on a par with the first.  Quite a roller-coaster, plot, script, and character-wise, with so much crammed into 130 minutes the editors were geniuses.

Kingslet was terrific in it, Guy Pierce was full of Guy Pierceness, Downey ran the gamut of emotions. Plenty of surprises and little Easter-eggs here and there. Stan has his cameo.

Though the third movie draws from the comic book series' cannon, what they did is re-mix and re-order some things that really worked well for a movie.  The comic fans will have years of arguments over the re-worked plots and canon, but speaking as an original fan since my sixties childhood, I enjoyed  the heck out of it and would love to see a  fourth one, if it was as good as this.


Ditto. Just saw it today, and it made up for the so-so IM 2. If you loved The Avengers, you'll love M 3.
 
2013-05-04 10:22:12 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Any patriotic hero like Captain America just isn't exciting anymore, because innate in his character is the implication that non-American lives are less valuable than American ones. It's this weird American exceptionalism that is increasingly less and less relevant.

And Thor has a funny Danish accent.

You obviously don't know Captain America very well. He is a symbol of this country, and loves America very dearly, but he has also knows our country has flaws, and had left behind the Cap identity when he became disillusioned with America. Cap doesn't claim America is better than other countries, and treats ALL people equally.

If you think he represents "American Exceptionalism", quit listening to Glen Beck and try actually reading a Captain America comic.


He's good when they use him as a foil to examine the American ideal versus the American reality, but that's not the image that gets put up on screen. He's portrayed like Superman there, in that he's a Boyscout relic from a nonexistent age, where men were men, dames were dames. There's a whole nostalgic aspect to these sorts of patriotic characters that doesn't resonate with me in the slightest.
 
2013-05-04 10:22:56 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Any Pie Left: Just got back from IM3 and it was AWESOME, better than 2, on a par with the first.  Quite a roller-coaster, plot, script, and character-wise, with so much crammed into 130 minutes the editors were geniuses.

Kingslet was terrific in it, Guy Pierce was full of Guy Pierceness, Downey ran the gamut of emotions. Plenty of surprises and little Easter-eggs here and there. Stan has his cameo.

Though the third movie draws from the comic book series' cannon, what they did is re-mix and re-order some things that really worked well for a movie.  The comic fans will have years of arguments over the re-worked plots and canon, but speaking as an original fan since my sixties childhood, I enjoyed  the heck out of it and would love to see a  fourth one, if it was as good as this.

Ditto. Just saw it today, and it made up for the so-so IM 2. If you loved The Avengers, you'll love M 3.


Yeah, just saw it too -- may be the best action movie I've ever seen.  (no more implausible than "Die Hard" and easily as good)
 
2013-05-04 11:08:26 PM
Took my son to see IM3 this afternoon, and LOVED it.  Probably the best of the series.
 
2013-05-04 11:36:54 PM
Man is not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath is made for Man. If only engineers and architects and other fools of that ilk would realize this and stop trying to fit us into their damn little boxes instead of outfitting us for life, the universe and everything like the poets, mystics, musicians and philosophers have tried to do.

And failed miserably.

Engineers have produced concrete results for mankind, like agriculture, antibiotics and airplanes. Care to give them up? The only REAL progress mankind has achieved is from engineering. Everything else is fluff. Your precious Liberal Arts have done jack shiat to reduce human suffering.
 
2013-05-05 12:32:31 AM
I haven't watched the Captain America movie, but I know who could have played Iron Man in the silent era...

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2013-05-05 12:36:59 AM

AtlanticCoast63: Took my son to see IM3 this afternoon, and LOVED it.  Probably the best of the series.


Wished the last fight was during the day time so it's easier to see all the action.

SPOILER:


Pleasantly surprised to see the Silver Centurion armor
 
2013-05-05 12:41:30 AM

PsyLord: AtlanticCoast63: Took my son to see IM3 this afternoon, and LOVED it.  Probably the best of the series.

Wished the last fight was during the day time so it's easier to see all the action.

SPOILER:


Pleasantly surprised to see the Silver Centurion armor


List of all of em. (possible spoilers)
 
2013-05-05 01:50:19 AM

mark12A: Engineers have produced concrete results for mankind, like agriculture, antibiotics and airplanes. Care to give them up? The only REAL progress mankind has achieved is from engineering. Everything else is fluff. Your precious Liberal Arts have done jack shiat to reduce human suffering.


That's because engineers keep coming up with brilliant new ways to kill large quantities of people very quickly.
 
2013-05-05 02:38:47 AM

Dr. Goldshnoz: goddamn that's a bigger wall of text than some war memorials.


You sound like an engineer.
 
2013-05-05 03:43:00 AM
If you want "realistic" supes, try Warren Ellis' FreakAngels (free online in its entirety) or No Hero.

I've really enjoyed all the Iron Man movies and I'm not ashamed to admit it's mostly due to RDJ inhabiting the role. He's more Tony Stark than Stan Lee ever wrote or could've possibly imagined. Sorry Stan.
 
2013-05-05 04:30:27 AM

wildcardjack: I haven't watched the Captain America movie, but I know who could have played Iron Man in the silent era...

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magiclanternfilm.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-05 05:33:35 AM

brantgoose: Whether you are a conservative or a liberal, the type of person who thinks that the solution to all the world's problems is easy and that they alone see it, is the scariest and most dangerous type of person going.

Engineers have a statistically significant tendancy to be Fascists or Communists above the mean of every profession except for Physicians (even lawyers don't come close, possibly because they learn how falliable and stupid people are). Like the Professor in The Secret Agent, they think everybody else is a fool or a scoundrel and despise the masses of mankind for letting fools and scoundrels lead them.

They buy into conspiracy theories that even their technical expertise should easily show to be nonsense.

They believe that human problems and solutions can be reduced to the clear simple problems and solutions of engineering, mathematics, or the hard sciences. They are ignorant or dismissive the the humanities and arts. They despise religion and philosophy. They treat humans as things and "solve" them in terms of mechanics or physics.

They fail to realise that the world is far more chaotic and complex than their own narrow speciality. They fail to understand that the skills and aptitutudes of medicine, engineering, science or mathematics do not transfer readily to politics, sociology or psychology.

On the first day of classes at any university, some of the professors give the "we're not filling you with facts and numbers, we will teach you to think" speech. This is given to engineering classes and to humanity classes alike. Only the engineers are naive and dumb enough to believe it. That's one of several reasons why a study funded by a major bank and a major employer of engineers found that after 15 years at work, liberal arts students were better paid and had more responsible positions than students with Commerce or Engineering degrees. The other is that engineers and commerce students are really poor communicators and lack basic language skills.

I alw ...


2/10....

Your rant would be believable if you were standing on a street corner in 100% hand-made clothing.  But on the internet?  Come'on....
 
2013-05-05 05:55:46 AM
Saw IM3, enjoyed it, watching for a proper thread to discuss it.

I've enjoyed all of the Marvel Studios movies.
 
2013-05-05 07:59:40 AM
The Internet, its head completely up its ass after two decades of permabaking on the couch every Caturday, has decided in its high wisdom and experience: Engineers are useless.
 
2013-05-05 08:08:37 AM

Ambivalence: I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.


This. As a straight woman he's the Avenger guy I spend the second most time daydreaming about (after Tony Stark). I want to see the two of them make a road trip kind of picture - Tony takes Bruce on a Vegas vacation or something.
 
2013-05-05 08:35:42 AM

LaViergeNoire: Ambivalence: I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.

This. As a straight woman he's the Avenger guy I spend the second most time daydreaming about (after Tony Stark). I want to see the two of them make a road trip kind of picture - Tony takes Bruce on a Vegas vacation or something.


There's a bit of Ruffalo after the credits in IM 3.
 
2013-05-05 08:42:03 AM

Alphax: LaViergeNoire: Ambivalence: I would like to see mark ruffalo in a hulk movie (or in a movie with the hulk) He's done the best Bruce banner yet. Damn shame to see it wasted.

This. As a straight woman he's the Avenger guy I spend the second most time daydreaming about (after Tony Stark). I want to see the two of them make a road trip kind of picture - Tony takes Bruce on a Vegas vacation or something.

There's a bit of Ruffalo after the credits in IM 3.


Yes, which made me want more.... ;)
 
2013-05-05 09:31:51 AM

Ishkur: mark12A: Engineers have produced concrete results for mankind, like agriculture, antibiotics and airplanes. Care to give them up? The only REAL progress mankind has achieved is from engineering. Everything else is fluff. Your precious Liberal Arts have done jack shiat to reduce human suffering.

That's because engineers keep coming up with brilliant new ways to kill large quantities of people very quickly.


Irrigation, flood control, power generation, modern transportation, sanitation, water and air quality, modern agriculture; want to give all that up since in your opinion all engineers are good at doing is coming up with new ways to kill people?

/lots more people have lived thanks to engineers than died from their inventions
//engineer
 
2013-05-05 10:54:04 AM

ZeroCorpse: mark12A: Iron Man is the ONLY superhero I was ever interested in because he's plausible. It's possible to build some kind of super-duper armor suit. Not with today's tech, but maybe in the future.

I simply don't take "super powers" seriously. So forget the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, etc. Just not believable.

/also, how does Aquaman poop?

Actually, with genetic engineering, we may see people with "super powers" some day. Maybe not eye-beams or controlling weather, but enhanced speed, endurance, strength, and senses most definitely. Splicing animal traits into humans may some day be possible, too. We'd be closer to it now if there weren't international laws against hybridizing humans and animals.

/He uses his telepathy to call   bottom dwellers.


Traits?
 
2013-05-05 11:55:26 AM
As a kid, I liked Iron Man because his robot suit was cool. All this talk about his personality, skill set, and background is jibber-jabber to his primary (or at least original) audience.

The RDJ iteration is popular to adult internet goers because the internet is full of cynical, snarky people. One of Iron Man's real superpowers is to be an arrogant, sarcastic jackass free of actual consequences because he's so good at what he does and because he is a billionaire. He's the near opposite of the average adult movie goer.

Kids like him because he wears a toy set.
 
2013-05-05 12:25:47 PM

Sid_6.7: Captain America was awesome in the way that they subverted the whole concept, having him stuck selling war bonds for half the movie. The execution of the movie concept did not worship the hero needlessly.


IMO (and I'm one who's fanatical about canon), it was a nice way to ease the transition from "established" Cap, wearing the 40's serial outfit and even punching out Hitler, to the more "realistic" version where it was more Cap Vs Hydra and WWII itself was only a backdrop.

Still makes me wonder though why the Wermacht didn't go after Hydra as much as the Allies did. Would have made an interesting scene to see Panzergrenadiers fighting alongside GIs in the storming of the Hydra base.
 
2013-05-05 02:23:40 PM

kim jong-un: ZeroCorpse: mark12A: Iron Man is the ONLY superhero I was ever interested in because he's plausible. It's possible to build some kind of super-duper armor suit. Not with today's tech, but maybe in the future.

I simply don't take "super powers" seriously. So forget the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, etc. Just not believable.

/also, how does Aquaman poop?

Actually, with genetic engineering, we may see people with "super powers" some day. Maybe not eye-beams or controlling weather, but enhanced speed, endurance, strength, and senses most definitely. Splicing animal traits into humans may some day be possible, too. We'd be closer to it now if there weren't international laws against hybridizing humans and animals.

/He uses his telepathy to call   bottom dwellers.

Traits?


Fine. Pick another word. Features. Abilities. Strengths. What-have-you.

We already do it with other animals. We've made rabbits that can light up in the dark, and things like that. We've mixed plant with animal to get something new to the world.

It's entirely conceivable that some day, we'll be able to combine humans and animals in small ways to give humans some abilities they didn't have before.
 
2013-05-05 02:36:50 PM

Bendal: Irrigation, flood control, power generation, modern transportation, sanitation, water and air quality, modern agriculture; want to give all that up since in your opinion all engineers are good at doing is coming up with new ways to kill people?


No.

Your reading comprehension is atrocious.
 
2013-05-05 02:40:44 PM

TV's Vinnie: Sid_6.7: Captain America was awesome in the way that they subverted the whole concept, having him stuck selling war bonds for half the movie. The execution of the movie concept did not worship the hero needlessly.

IMO (and I'm one who's fanatical about canon), it was a nice way to ease the transition from "established" Cap, wearing the 40's serial outfit and even punching out Hitler, to the more "realistic" version where it was more Cap Vs Hydra and WWII itself was only a backdrop.

Still makes me wonder though why the Wermacht didn't go after Hydra as much as the Allies did.
Would have made an interesting scene to see Panzergrenadiers fighting alongside GIs in the storming of the Hydra base.


My theory: The Invaders still exist in Marvel Cinematic Earth, and while Captain America and the Howling Commandos were taking on Hydra, the Invaders were secretly taking on Hitler.

I base this on the fact that we see Jim Hammond/The Human Torch (1) at the beginning of the movie. He was activated, sent out to the front, and teamed up with Toro, Namor, Union Jack, Spitfire, and Whizzer. Maybe in this world they didn't use code-names. Maybe they didn't even wear costumes.

And Captain America wore a costume and showed off his strength and speed to   distract  people from the Allies' use of super-powered individuals in the war effort.

This opens them up to having people born with powers (Toro, a mutant), adding Altanteans (Namor) and introducing vampires (Spitfire's powers are part vampiric). They could even use it as set-up to change Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch's parentage, making their grandfather Whizzer (makes sense, super-speed father has super-speed son) and their grandmother Spitfire (vampiric blood might explain Wanda's chaos magic powers for a movie audience).

And it opens them up to getting The Vision into the story, as Jim Hammond's body (or a copy of it) was used by Ultron as the basis for The Vision.

This whole thing explains why Hitler wasn't the top concern in Captain America: The First Avenger. Jim Hammond eventually killed him with his bare hands (as he did in the comics), and the Invaders were kicking Nazi ass while Cap was keeping Hydra out of the picture.
 
2013-05-05 02:41:22 PM

ZeroCorpse: It's entirely conceivable that some day, we'll be able to combine humans and animals in small ways to give humans some abilities they didn't have before.


I'm thinking that such combinations will be reserved for elite military units, a la Scalzi's "Old Man's War" universe.
 
2013-05-05 04:43:06 PM

ZeroCorpse: This opens them up to having people born with powers (Toro, a mutant), adding Altanteans (Namor) and introducing vampires (Spitfire's powers are part vampiric). They could even use it as set-up to change Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch's parentage, making their grandfather Whizzer (makes sense, super-speed father has super-speed son) and their grandmother Spitfire (vampiric blood might explain Wanda's chaos magic powers for a movie audience).


Speaking of putting vampires in Marvel Cinematic Universe continuity, since Marvel got the rights to Blade back (along with Daredevil, Punisher and Ghost Rider), there is nothing saying they couldn't do it, and apparently Marvel has said that the way the X-Men rights are locked up, they CAN use Scarlet Witch as a villain because she's considered both an Avengers antagonist AND a X-Men antagonist, so both studios can use her.
 
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