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(CBS News)   FDA to decide if antibacterial soap is safe. Of course, once the public controversy starts they'll just try to wash their hands of it   (cbsnews.com) divider line 161
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2013-05-04 08:16:31 AM  
It's not safe on a shower floor. My two long since mended ribs will attest to that.

Soap is slippery, we all know that.
Believe me when I tell you that Dial on a bathtub surface may be the slipperiest thing known to man. You've been warned.
 
2013-05-04 08:19:19 AM  
Man, I rtfa and found out those broke ribs were the least of my worries :(
 
2013-05-04 10:13:14 AM  
Um, wait.  You mean to tell me that it's never BEEN TESTED?!  Jesus...that is worrisome.
 
2013-05-04 11:17:09 AM  
This crap is an abomination. We all need to learn to use regular soap and hot water and practice good hygiene. It's really not that hard.
 
2013-05-04 12:03:07 PM  
How many soaps don't kill bacteria? Surfactants are great at disrupting cell membranes...
 
2013-05-04 12:03:33 PM  
So glenn becks next stunt will involve peeing on a bar of soap?
 
2013-05-04 12:03:36 PM  
I don't use it.

I break out, badly.  I found that out back in the day when I worked at BK.

It was raw skin bad, couldn't tell really hot water was hot (it felt itchy but relieved the pain in my hands and felt good) bad.
 
2013-05-04 12:03:41 PM  
So, anti-anti-bacterial soap then?
 
2013-05-04 12:03:48 PM  
Urine is sterile so I just piss all over my hands and go about my day. Done in (#) one.
 
2013-05-04 12:06:16 PM  
Burn you hand sanitizer soaked children helicopter parents.
 
2013-05-04 12:06:42 PM  
Time to go back to lye soap.
 
2013-05-04 12:08:54 PM  
Still safe for e-cigs?
 
2013-05-04 12:09:12 PM  
Ill lol when they find it does little to nothing...Hard to say its dangerous since its been around for quite a while now though.,..
 
2013-05-04 12:10:22 PM  

Munchkin City Coroner: Time to go back to lye soap.


The soap is a lye.

/monkey nut soap
//may contain peanuts
 
2013-05-04 12:12:28 PM  
Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.
 
2013-05-04 12:14:48 PM  
I can't use toothpastes that contain Tryclosan, it makes the tissue from my cheeks slough off (like peeling skin after a sunburn). My dentist told me to never use it again.
 
2013-05-04 12:17:41 PM  

Tymast: So glenn becks next stunt will involve peeing on a bar of soap?


Dare to dream

/I'd say that stunt would end him, but crazy seems to be a niche market he helped perfect
 
2013-05-04 12:17:54 PM  

Virulency: Ill lol when they find it does little to nothing...Hard to say its dangerous since its been around for quite a while now though.,..


So was lead paint.
 
2013-05-04 12:20:14 PM  

MurphyMurphy: It's not safe on a shower floor. My two long since mended ribs will attest to that.

Soap is slippery, we all know that.
Believe me when I tell you that Dial on a bathtub surface may be the slipperiest thing known to man. You've been warned.


Drop a lot of soap?

/nntawwt
 
2013-05-04 12:21:26 PM  

Deep Contact: Still safe for e-cigs?


I would advise against e-cigs. The cartridges aren't regulated or even consistent, and FDA testing has found diethyleneglycol in some of them. DEG is the reason the FDA has any power because it killed 100 people or so from kidney failure in the '30s. (It would have been higher, but the drug fell afoul of marketing laws which was the only reason the FDA at the time could seize the product from the shelves. The company was sued for 100% of its value, and was never heard from again. I think its name was "Massengil" or some such, proving the libertarian claim that lawsuits can ruin a company that kills people.)
 
2013-05-04 12:21:45 PM  
lenfromak * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-05-04 12:12:28 PM Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.
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No. Washing hands and/or dishes merely removes the gunk from the plate/hands/pot. You remove the food, then dry the plate/hands, then like all living things, the bacteria can't eat or drink anything and, well, die. Just not immediately.
 
2013-05-04 12:22:10 PM  

lenfromak: Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.


anti bacterial soap is specially designed so you get sick.  that's why girls buy it
 
2013-05-04 12:22:35 PM  
I use pure Agent Orange to wash the bacteria off my tumors.
 
2013-05-04 12:23:11 PM  
I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap.  One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.
 
2013-05-04 12:25:49 PM  
(Featured Soap)
 
2013-05-04 12:25:57 PM  

lenfromak: Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.


Soap doesn't kill bacteria - it works by sloughing of a layer of dead skin in which the bacteria are hiding and then when you rinse your hands the bacteria and dead skin are washed down the drain.

The idea of using anti-bacterial soap is a stupid one as it's deliberately working to evolve antibiotic resistant bacteria.
 
2013-05-04 12:27:14 PM  

jake3988: lenfromak * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-05-04 12:12:28 PM Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.
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No. Washing hands and/or dishes merely removes the gunk from the plate/hands/pot. You remove the food, then dry the plate/hands, then like all living things, the bacteria can't eat or drink anything and, well, die. Just not immediately.


Wrong.  Soap kills bacteria, just less viciously and thouroughly than anti-bacterials.

I know a twit who uses anti-bacterial everything constantly.  She gets sick all the time as she doesn't have a nice base coating of benign bacteria.
 
2013-05-04 12:27:51 PM  

Danack: lenfromak: Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.

Soap doesn't kill bacteria - it works by sloughing of a layer of dead skin in which the bacteria are hiding and then when you rinse your hands the bacteria and dead skin are washed down the drain.

The idea of using anti-bacterial soap is a stupid one as it's deliberately working to evolve antibiotic resistant bacteria.


And a that too.
 
2013-05-04 12:27:56 PM  
I've preached against anti-bacterial soaps pretty much since the day they came out and caught all sorts of hell from people. Besides adding more chemicals to the environment, besides plain soap and water being just fine, besides making bacteria resistant, besides making your immune system weak, now we find that the chemicals could be dangerous.

Typical stupid people, afraid of something we have lived in harmony with since before we were human because a man on the TV told them to.  Go ahead, make yourselves and your children weak. Idiots.

Yes, I'm talking to you.
 
2013-05-04 12:29:56 PM  

Parkanzky: I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap.  One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.


why bother killing the bacteria. just (+) the [] of lauric acid in your formulations and let those little guys go down the drain.

lauric acid is the bomb.
 
2013-05-04 12:30:16 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Believe me when I tell you that Dial on a bathtub surface may be the slipperiest thing known to man.


My neighbor's 17 year old daughter on a Slip 'n Slide has that distinction.
 
2013-05-04 12:33:15 PM  
t.fod4.com

Been using Ivory on my nuts for years
 
2013-05-04 12:34:36 PM  

utah dude: Parkanzky: I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap.  One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.

why bother killing the bacteria. just (+) the [] of lauric acid in your formulations and let those little guys go down the drain.

lauric acid is the bomb.


No, that's dioxygen difluoride.
 
2013-05-04 12:35:19 PM  

bearded clamorer: [t.fod4.com image 480x270]

Been using Ivory on my nuts for years


You should manscape. Getting hair in one's teeth isn't fun.
 
2013-05-04 12:36:10 PM  

Parkanzky: I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap. One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.


Make it a homeopathic product. That gives you an extra buzzword to help sell it, cuts your production costs, and doesn't pollute the environment with yet another persistent toxin.
 
2013-05-04 12:37:36 PM  

bearded clamorer: [t.fod4.com image 480x270]

Been using Ivory on my nuts for years


you should try Ivory Wave

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-04 12:38:01 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Parkanzky: I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap. One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.

Make it a homeopathic product. That gives you an extra buzzword to help sell it, cuts your production costs, and doesn't pollute the environment with yet another persistent toxin.


And doesn't even have to work.

/Ask your doctor about Placebo: so powerful, it is the standard against which all other medications are tested
 
2013-05-04 12:41:49 PM  
go ahead and outlaw the stuff for all I care.  Regular soap allready kills more than 99% of everything.  The only thing we are gaining by constantly using anti-bacterial soap is bacteria that are resistant to anti-bacterial agents.
 
2013-05-04 12:41:54 PM  
Anti-bacterial soap is of now harm to us.  Of course, future generations are completely farked.
 
2013-05-04 12:43:44 PM  

vygramul: Ivo Shandor: Parkanzky: I work in R&D at a company that makes a lot of soap. One of the things we're looking at are alternatives to Triclosan/Triclocarban for antibacterial formulations.

Make it a homeopathic product. That gives you an extra buzzword to help sell it, cuts your production costs, and doesn't pollute the environment with yet another persistent toxin.

And doesn't even have to work.

/Ask your doctor about Placebo: so powerful, it is the standard against which all other medications are tested


Seriously. We could use homeopathic idiocy as a force for good. Sell "antibacterial" soap that is 1/1,000,000,000,000 triclosan. Good for the idiots, good for the environment.

No wait, we really should not encourage the idiocy.
 
2013-05-04 12:44:34 PM  
Time to go back to using this:

kookykitsch.com
 
2013-05-04 12:44:57 PM  

vygramul: And doesn't even have to work.


It would work fine. Not because of the homeopathic part of course, but because regular soap is already good enough.
 
2013-05-04 12:45:36 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: MurphyMurphy: Believe me when I tell you that Dial on a bathtub surface may be the slipperiest thing known to man.

My neighbor's 17 year old daughter on a Slip 'n Slide has that distinction.


Pics or it didn't happen...
 
2013-05-04 12:46:19 PM  
Was at a restaurant yesterday and the first thing they brought to the table was anti-bacterial hand sanitizer.

When did this start happening?
 
2013-05-04 12:46:41 PM  
Antibacterial soap belongs in the medicine cabinet, not on the countertop. I use it for cuts and scrapes, and for washing out the filter in my humidifier. That's it.

Antibacterial everything is truly one of the great marketing successes / scams in recent years, right up there with $2.00 bottled water.
 
2013-05-04 12:47:25 PM  
I don't buy the idea that anti bacterial soaps are working to evolve bacteria towards building resistance. Is there any clinical evidence of this? These soaps may be no more effective than standard soaps but harmful?
 
2013-05-04 12:52:06 PM  

Danack: lenfromak: Isn't all soap anti-bacterial? I mean, that's the idea of washing your hands.

Soap doesn't kill bacteria - it works by sloughing of a layer of dead skin in which the bacteria are hiding and then when you rinse your hands the bacteria and dead skin are washed down the drain.

The idea of using anti-bacterial soap is a stupid one as it's deliberately working to evolve antibiotic resistant bacteria.


Err, anti-bacterial soap could make strains of bacteria resistant to the anti-bacterial agent in question (probably triclosan), which could have issues (I think a lot of hospitals still use it), but that isn't going to cause them to evolve to be resistant to antibiotics. Anti-bacterial soaps probably have little benefit, if any, but the antibiotic thing is a completely different issue to do with antibiotics being prescribed very regularly, often purely as a precautionary measure rather than to address an existing infection.
 
2013-05-04 12:52:41 PM  

Owangotang: I don't buy the idea that anti bacterial soaps are working to evolve bacteria towards building resistance. Is there any clinical evidence of this? These soaps may be no more effective than standard soaps but harmful?


Yes, there is clinical evidence.
 
2013-05-04 12:54:25 PM  
It gave us MRSA, how can it be bad?
 
2013-05-04 12:55:58 PM  

Owangotang: I don't buy the idea that anti bacterial soaps are working to evolve bacteria towards building resistance. Is there any clinical evidence of this? These soaps may be no more effective than standard soaps but harmful?


http://www.upci.upmc.edu/ceo/soap/

Studies by government scientists have shown that regular use of antibacterial soap allows bacteria to become resistant to them and can irritate the skin, especially the skin of infants and children.

I am not sure what specific studies, but it is well know that bacteria do build up resistances to anti-biotics, and that it is such a growing problem, that many of our best antibiotics are quickly becoming non-effective against common infections.  We are already running out of effective anti-biotics, and new ones are not being developed nearly as quickly as nature is adapting...
 
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