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(SanDiego UnionTribune)   Now I've heard everything: NFL stars who never even played for a California team are filing worker's comp claims there to rake it in on Golden State benefits. Flag on the play   (web.utsandiego.com ) divider line 32
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2013-05-04 07:42:18 AM  
Did they pay taxes there?
 
2013-05-04 08:50:55 AM  
I'm sure that they paid taxes in that state when they played (worked) there.  With a little thought it isn't as asinine as it might first appear.

Now I would also insist on proof that they got hurt while playing in CA rather than just a general "my body hurts after decades of 300lb people picking me up & slamming me to the turf".
 
2013-05-04 09:31:57 AM  

cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?


This, you can't have it both ways.  Since sports injuries are usually a cumulative thing they should be paid a percentage based upon what percentage of games they played in California.  Other states also.
 
2013-05-04 09:56:55 AM  
"Really?"

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2013-05-04 09:59:29 AM  

Recoil Therapy: I'm sure that they paid taxes in that state when they played (worked) there.  With a little thought it isn't as asinine as it might first appear.

Now I would also insist on proof that they got hurt while playing in CA rather than just a general "my body hurts after decades of 300lb people picking me up & slamming me to the turf".


Is that how worker's comp currently works in California -- you have to be injured in California to qualify?

Or is this a special rule you want to retroactively implement for athletes?
 
2013-05-04 09:59:41 AM  

cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?


I know some states have a law stating away players have to pay taxes on their paycheck from the week they played there. Too lazy to do GIS. If they do pay California taxes when they played at the 49ers, Raiders and Chargers, this could open a legal Pandora's box.
 
2013-05-04 10:05:02 AM  
at least they are US citizens.
 
2013-05-04 10:08:36 AM  
Yep. Pro athletes have to pay income taxes in all the states where they play away games. So they should certainly be entitled to workers' benefits in those states as well.

Athletes only usually work 50% in the state of the team they play for.
 
2013-05-04 10:08:38 AM  

cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?


DING DING DING!!!

You play in the state, you pay taxes in the state (I recommend people watch the 30 for 30 Broke documentary).

I'm also seeing a lot of Broncos on the list - their NFLPA rep is currently Jim Leonhard, Brian Dawkins was their previous rep, and I believe both Jason Elam and Tom Nalen were at one time reps as well.  Methinks they had a particularly heads-up lawyer advising them.

And in a completely unsnarky note, are the families of Junior Seau, Andre Waters, and Dave Duerson going to/eligible to file as well?
 
2013-05-04 10:14:13 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Yep. Pro athletes have to pay income taxes in all the states where they play away games. So they should certainly be entitled to workers' benefits in those states as well.

Athletes only usually work 50% in the state of the team they play for.


And remember, this was also a BIG factor in Why LeBron and Bosh went to the Heat - Florida has no individual state income tax.  When you're getting paid $232K+ per game, that adds up.
 
2013-05-04 10:26:26 AM  

cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?


Not familiar with WC law I'm guessing? You're supposed to allocate injuries to the state in which they occurred.  Paying taxed in said state is a moot point.

/ Nobody looks that closely but you're supposed to
// It's fun when you get to report claims for large national trucking firms like Penske and Yellow.
 
2013-05-04 10:44:10 AM  

RickN99: Recoil Therapy: I'm sure that they paid taxes in that state when they played (worked) there.  With a little thought it isn't as asinine as it might first appear.

Now I would also insist on proof that they got hurt while playing in CA rather than just a general "my body hurts after decades of 300lb people picking me up & slamming me to the turf".

Is that how worker's comp currently works in California -- you have to be injured in California to qualify?

Or is this a special rule you want to retroactively implement for athletes?


I have no idea how workers comp laws work not having been injured on the job & having to figure it out.  Nor do I have any specific CA knowledge as I don't live in or near there. However logic (which yes I do realize seldom has a place in discussions involving the government) would seem to be that a player on the Steelers (located in PA) who played a couple of games during the season in CA & then got hurt during a game with the Bengals (in OH) wouldn't have cause to claim workers comp in CA.  Are you really saying that someone, just because they happened to pay taxes to one state (where nothing happened to them), is entitled to get workers comp from that state even though the injury happened somewhere else?  In my little scenario I'd think that PA would be responsible for some (as that was his 'home' state) & OH would be responsible for some (as he paid taxes there & the injury occurred there).  What does CA have to do with anything in that situation?
 
2013-05-04 11:21:04 AM  
David Tyree, huh?  Maybe he shouldn't have recklessly smashed that football against his head!
 
2013-05-04 12:33:19 PM  
Workers comp for most occupations is fine bit when you choose to go into a violent profession where you run full speed into other people running towards you at full speed then you should forfeit most of your rights to workers compensation claims.
 
2013-05-04 12:39:54 PM  

cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?


Worker's Comp is paid by the employer, though, right?  So shouldn't it be based on where the employer is located and not where the worker has worked?
 
2013-05-04 12:54:45 PM  

rugman11: cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?

Worker's Comp is paid by the employer, though, right?  So shouldn't it be based on where the employer is located and not where the worker has worked?


That's what I thought.  My impression was that they only thing the state was involved in was ensuring the amount coverage etc.
 
2013-05-04 01:04:28 PM  
Great, let's get the states to also have a stake in making sure the NFL doesn't exist anymore.
 
2013-05-04 01:09:04 PM  

BizarreMan: rugman11: cmunic8r99: Did they pay taxes there?

Worker's Comp is paid by the employer, though, right?  So shouldn't it be based on where the employer is located and not where the worker has worked?

That's what I thought.  My impression was that they only thing the state was involved in was ensuring the amount coverage etc.


As someone who used to work in large corporate work comp... Some states are monopolistic (ND, WY, WA and OH) which means as a company you can buy from one place and one place only. Then there are state they grouped together and pooled their data; and then there's the bureau states (MA, NY, NJ, PA/DE, WI, MN, and CA).  The bureau states will to varying degrees practically crawl up your arse for the most mundane details.  And California is worst by far.
 
2013-05-04 01:25:20 PM  
Golden blanket with the warmth payed for by others, where are you?
 
2013-05-04 01:27:32 PM  
Kevin Everett has continued to have his medical bills covered by the Buffalo Bills, partially because there would be an airtight case for a workers comp claim.
 
2013-05-04 01:28:38 PM  
Californians: If only everyone worked for the state, the country would be awesome. Why make decisions for your self when you can have the best and brightest doing it for you?

Fark tards: Yeah, we should be making decisions for them. Go Obama!
 
2013-05-04 01:30:27 PM  
Sorry to bring politics into the sports thread, but this story reeks of it.
 
2013-05-04 01:31:16 PM  

muck4doo: Golden blanket with the warmth payed for by others, where are you?


In the last US House election, Rep. Jon Runyan (R-NJ, former player for the Philadelphia Eagles) proudly claimed that he wasn't taking the health benefits provided to him for being a representative.

He neglected to mention:
-His medical coverage was being paid for by his previous job
-He's no longer working his previous job
-His union got him those benefits
 
2013-05-04 01:50:40 PM  
Does it make you angry, or does it make you feel like you should pay for anothers benefits even more? They need your money more than you do. I need me some good retirement plans!
 
2013-05-04 01:51:35 PM  

Misch: muck4doo: Golden blanket with the warmth payed for by others, where are you?

In the last US House election, Rep. Jon Runyan (R-NJ, former player for the Philadelphia Eagles) proudly claimed that he wasn't taking the health benefits provided to him for being a representative.

He neglected to mention:
-His medical coverage was being paid for by his previous job
-He's no longer working his previous job
-His union got him those benefits


muck4doo: Does it make you angry, or does it make you feel like you should pay for anothers benefits even more? They need your money more than you do. I need me some good retirement plans!

 
2013-05-04 02:38:51 PM  
There's just no end to how much taxpayer money the state of California is willing to give away...
 
2013-05-04 03:39:01 PM  

LawrencePerson: There's just no end to how much taxpayer money the state of California is willing to give away...


Yeah, they're just throwing money at these out-of-state athletes.

Or, you know, exactly the opposite.
 
2013-05-04 03:58:17 PM  

king of vegas: Workers comp for most occupations is fine bit when you choose to go into a violent profession where you run full speed into other people running towards you at full speed then you should forfeit most of your rights to workers compensation claims.


Except the NFL downplayed and ignored evidence inidacting players were more susceptible to long-term health issues, particularly CTE and other forms of head trauma. That's why the former players are suing the league; just because your job is physically demanding doesn't give your employer the right to sweep safety information under the rug.
 
2013-05-04 07:19:00 PM  

UNC_Samurai: king of vegas: Workers comp for most occupations is fine bit when you choose to go into a violent profession where you run full speed into other people running towards you at full speed then you should forfeit most of your rights to workers compensation claims.

Except the NFL downplayed and ignored evidence inidacting players were more susceptible to long-term health issues, particularly CTE and other forms of head trauma. That's why the former players are suing the league; just because your job is physically demanding doesn't give your employer the right to sweep safety information under the rug.


Oh shut the fark up. We know you want them to get as much money as they can. I never you knew were such a trolling idiot for government as you are, but there it is. You might as well wear green dollar signs on your leisure suit. At least they can throw some of that money away to the democrats.
 
2013-05-04 07:20:50 PM  

UNC_Samurai: king of vegas: Workers comp for most occupations is fine bit when you choose to go into a violent profession where you run full speed into other people running towards you at full speed then you should forfeit most of your rights to workers compensation claims.

Except the NFL downplayed and ignored evidence inidacting players were more susceptible to long-term health issues, particularly CTE and other forms of head trauma. That's why the former players are suing the league; just because your job is physically demanding doesn't give your employer the right to sweep safety information under the rug.


Please return to reality, and don't join the idiots on Fark.
 
2013-05-04 08:06:58 PM  
Workers comp policies are paid by the employer, not the state. Opening a claim in California just means there's different benefits than the same claim would in another state. California has higher max indemnity benefits and very liberal med benefits than Texas has for example.

Some policies have endorsements that basically say you can open a claim in any state that is covered under the policy. Often the claimant will pick the one with the best benefits. It's not uncommon.

/lifetime workers comp professional
 
2013-05-04 09:06:34 PM  
California will be bankrupt soon enough... The current Gov is more of a tard than the last one.


"The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and again that they have the management skills of celery. They're the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisinart, let alone the economy. The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club."~Dave Barry
 
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