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(New York Daily News)   9/11 museum at Ground Zero will charge $25 for admission. Family members of victims: "These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 70
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2013-05-04 01:45:21 AM  
39 votes:
Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?
2013-05-04 09:27:10 AM  
13 votes:
Worst day in American History?

msnbcmedia3.msn.com
2013-05-04 03:34:06 AM  
13 votes:
To be fair, the Twin Towers were one of this country's greatest monuments to capitalism and hubris, so it's fitting that the memorial have the big brass balls to demand a $25 fee.
2013-05-04 08:16:31 AM  
11 votes:
The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.
2013-05-04 09:07:10 AM  
7 votes:
Does the TSA grope-search everyone who enters?  Because that's the real cost of what happened.
2013-05-04 09:24:19 AM  
6 votes:
"The worst day in American history."  Makes me think of things like "The top 100 movies of all time," and 94 of them are from the past six years.

It was a very bad day, but the worst?  The truth is, I'm tired of Rudy Giuliani-style "9/11! 9/11! 9/11!" incantations.  If you lost loved ones on that day, it was a tragedy, but no more of a tragedy than anyone else who lost a loved one.  You shouldn't invoke it like a magic spell.  Try telling someone whose child was killed by a drunk driver that you rank over them because your loved one died at the same time as others.

The whole WTC area, everything in and around it, has been co-opted for political, propaganda and financial reasons.  A $25 fee to get into some memorial sounds like par for the course in NYC.
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-05-04 01:07:21 AM  
6 votes:
It worked for Toby Keith.
2013-05-04 09:32:03 AM  
5 votes:
It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.
2013-05-04 02:47:55 AM  
4 votes:
Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?
2013-05-04 09:51:45 AM  
3 votes:

EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.


The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.
2013-05-04 09:30:02 AM  
3 votes:
I didn't even go to the area it happened the last time I went to NYC a few years ago, and I sure as hell don't want to go to it now.  It was bad enough to live through it, I've seen these people's face, stories and family members in various news programs, documentaries and movies.  What is a name on a wall going to do?  In my mind, the best way to honor people and remember them is to use their memory to help others, which some of these people have done (while our politicians have done the exact opposite).  An obscenely expensive memorial that charges and obscene amount for admission because people have to go through an obscene amount of security isn't my idea of "remembering" these people.  If I have any money when I die, I want to be cremated and have my kids and grandkids take my ashes and spread them in places around the world that I never got to go to.  I don't need a memorial or headstone, I just want someone to do something new that they have never done before, because that's what I liked in my life.
2013-05-04 09:24:09 AM  
3 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?



But but but....NYC!!! 1!! 11!!!
2013-05-04 09:18:07 AM  
3 votes:

jbc: It worked for Toby Keith.


Halliburton,Exxon Mobil,Blackwater and a ton of others too.
2013-05-04 09:09:38 AM  
3 votes:
I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.
2013-05-04 08:22:04 AM  
3 votes:

EvilEgg: Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


If it wasn't covered live on television, it apparently doesn't matter. History is for dweebs, y'know.
2013-05-04 05:07:19 AM  
3 votes:
The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.
2013-05-04 03:56:32 PM  
2 votes:
I see your "9/11 was the worst day in American history" and raise you the Galveston hurricane of 1900, which annihilated the city of Galveston and killed at least twice as many people and may have killed 4 times as many.

Call 9/11 "the worst act of terrorism on American soil", but don't you dare try to say it's the worst thing to ever happen to America.
2013-05-04 12:28:29 PM  
2 votes:
Bin Laden lit the match.  Bush, Rove and Cheney destroyed America.

Yes, I know we still have a country called America, but it is not the same one we had before 2001.  All the goodwill and respect we had earned for things like curing polio, helping to win WWII, going to the Moon and building the Internet were squandered for nothing.  A significant percentage of the world hates us now, whereas before it was only a fanatical few.  For the rest of humanity, America the Great has become America the OK.  It will take generations of us being really cool again before we restore our reputation.

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Nine eleven.
Nine eleven who?
You said you'd never forget!
2013-05-04 10:28:01 AM  
2 votes:

Kevin Martin: It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.


hah, that's very fitting. Have the TSA pat every one down, so people really understand the consequences of 9/11.
2013-05-04 09:36:43 AM  
2 votes:
I woulda swore January 20th 2001 was the worst day in American history.
2013-05-04 09:18:01 AM  
2 votes:
Pretty sure it's the Battle of Antietam, but that doesn't negate their point.
2013-05-04 09:15:52 AM  
2 votes:
Is anyone being forced to visit the museum?   If you don't like the $25 fee, just don't go there.

/If it was free, you'd have the soup kitchen crowd use it as a hang out.
2013-05-04 09:15:05 AM  
2 votes:
Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.
2013-05-04 09:14:33 AM  
2 votes:
And if it was free people would cry about taxes having to support it.

fark everyone
2013-05-04 07:10:14 AM  
2 votes:

Mugato: What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.


They could at least have a 9/11 simulator ride complete with bungee jumping off the roof.
2013-05-04 01:02:54 AM  
2 votes:
Don't forget the $50 to park the car and another $50 for the cab ride to the museum.
2013-05-04 10:06:20 PM  
1 votes:
Can't wait to see the thermite in the museum.
2013-05-04 09:39:54 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We never shoulda let Giuliani trademark the term.


If Giuliani and GW Bush had to pay $25 for every time they said 9/11, the memorial would have been paid off before Obama was elected to office.
2013-05-04 07:29:35 PM  
1 votes:

NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.


You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.
2013-05-04 01:44:05 PM  
1 votes:
i1170.photobucket.com


I've seen this truck in the parking lot of my local Walmart.
2013-05-04 01:33:54 PM  
1 votes:
I don't need to pay money to relive something I lived through.
2013-05-04 01:00:40 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks for that  too high price. It gives me another reason not to  go to the sniveling racist museum, where you only whine about murdered strangers on  your side of the border.
2013-05-04 12:54:53 PM  
1 votes:
Worst day? Hardly. Those would both be in 1913 and it's a tie:

December 23, 1913

February 3, 1913
2013-05-04 12:24:05 PM  
1 votes:
$25 is wallet rape.  they could charge $10 per person and they would still be swimming in money.

/active military should be free
//former military & senior citizen discount

done.
2013-05-04 12:15:07 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: (/11 was a terrible thing - and I wish only the best for those who lost people in their lives on that dreadful day.
But - and i apologize for having to say this - it was NOT the worst day in American History. By a long shot.
Or at least, if it turns out to be - it will be OUR fault.


You're right...
talkingpointsmemo.com
2013-05-04 12:09:02 PM  
1 votes:
"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." -"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 (


Nice company you guys keep.
2013-05-04 11:56:25 AM  
1 votes:
The damn thing should have never been built. The memorial should have been turning the area into a park. Someplace with lots of trees were people could have lunch from nearby office buildings and children could play. In the center they could have put up something like the  Vietnam VeteransMemorial, listing the names of the dead.
2013-05-04 11:32:06 AM  
1 votes:

cman: MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.

I doubt it would even put a dent in construction recuperation.

I believe this is about the museum trying to be as self-sufficiant as possible. They may make money from trees, but trees arent gonna do a good job with the upkeep of this museum.


If any of you would bother to RTFA, it says 700m plus 60m/year. Over 1 billion has already be privately donated or given by the state. That's construction and operation for 5 years into the future, with more private donations coming in everyday. It's a money grab, pure and simple, but don't let facts get in the way of your political gamemanship.
2013-05-04 11:08:19 AM  
1 votes:
Welcome to America, where if it can't be profited from privately or used for political gain, it doesn't exist.
2013-05-04 10:46:56 AM  
1 votes:

George_Spelvin: [i6.photobucket.com image 600x312]
America, get the fark over yourselves.  As awful as it was, the families knew who was responsible; they were given a sense of closure.  How many people are killed every year where the assailant is unknown and never caught?  How many innocent Iraqis were killed as a result of this?


No all Americans think the same way. That said, charging for a tragedy is pretty slimy, no matter how you look at it. I will also add that your military and political officials famously licked the Pentagon's taint throughout the whole thing like the obedient little suck-ups they are. You should be proud.
2013-05-04 10:45:00 AM  
1 votes:

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


As a matter of fact, yes I would rather there was no museum
2013-05-04 10:39:10 AM  
1 votes:
September 17, 1862. The battle of Antietam. 22,717 Americans dead, wounded, or captured. The unity of the United States is in jeopardy. America is in the middle of its bloodiest war, the effects of which we still feel today.

THAT is the worst day in American history.
2013-05-04 10:36:00 AM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


THIS. I'm sorry for their loss, and I cannot imagine the pain of New Yorkers and the family members of those who died, but  this is not the greatest American tragedy ever. It was a sad, predictable attack created almost entirely by a few lunatics and our foreign policy. You want to change something? Address our foreign policy.  That will do more than this museum ever could.
2013-05-04 10:33:00 AM  
1 votes:

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


And they charge only $12.50 at the Gettysburg Visitor Center. Plus you get Morgan Freeman narrating an intro film.
2013-05-04 10:32:34 AM  
1 votes:
"43 years ago today, May 4, 1970 is one of the worst days in American History.

Ohio National Guardsmen opened fire on protesting students at Kent State University. When the shooting was over, four students were dead, one student was permanently paralyzed, and eight others were injured. In the wake of the shootings, the attention of the nation was focused on the Ohio campus. The shootings prompted the largest student strike in United States history and a change in public opinion about the Vietnam War. The photo below depicts the four students who were killed at Kent State - Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer and William Schroeder. "
the day
the music
died
2013-05-04 10:25:50 AM  
1 votes:

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


How about the day USA invaded Iraq. That's the worst in my book.

9/11 was meh, countries are attacked by terrorists all the time, get over it.
2013-05-04 10:17:51 AM  
1 votes:
"These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"

Oh, I think a lot of people have already made much more money from it (government contractors, foreign bribe-receivers).
2013-05-04 10:14:40 AM  
1 votes:
i6.photobucket.com
America, get the fark over yourselves.  As awful as it was, the families knew who was responsible; they were given a sense of closure.  How many people are killed every year where the assailant is unknown and never caught?  How many innocent Iraqis were killed as a result of this?
2013-05-04 10:13:00 AM  
1 votes:
60 million annually to run. 2.5 million anticipated visitors. 25 dollars a head barely covers it.

Unless you'd like to have your taxes go up 50 cents to support a cultural institution?

Didn't think so.
2013-05-04 10:11:50 AM  
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts


A TSA badge and a copy of the Patriot Act.
2013-05-04 10:09:11 AM  
1 votes:
It was kind of the worst day in modern history, because the US then spent what 4 trillion or something on wars in other countries, not to mention opening up a facility in Cuba that may never be closed until everyone there is dead.

I would hope at least the 9/11 victims' families would be able to get in for free.
2013-05-04 10:05:48 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.



You know how I know you didn't RTFA?
2013-05-04 09:59:23 AM  
1 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown


It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.
2013-05-04 09:48:51 AM  
1 votes:

snocone: vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS

I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.


A story about Bloomberg and NYC politics and it's still the GOP's fault.
2013-05-04 09:48:18 AM  
1 votes:

jbc: It worked for Toby Keith.


and Dick Cheney.
2013-05-04 09:41:56 AM  
1 votes:

snocone: vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS

I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.


Talk about recognition, a lot of dead Democrats get to vote...numerious times.
2013-05-04 09:37:47 AM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS


I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.
2013-05-04 09:32:20 AM  
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

THIS!

Maybe I'm getting old but, it seems to me that if something happens  more than twenty years ago people act like it never happened.


And don't forget about when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. 2400 Americans killed.
But again, if it didn't happen in NY, it didn't happen because they're the center of the universe,
2013-05-04 09:32:15 AM  
1 votes:
Just another ripoff that does not exist for me.
2013-05-04 09:31:19 AM  
1 votes:

Triumph: Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?


Congress? No. They'll receive a payout from the One Fund which is all donations from the public and businesses. I read an article on the Boston Globe saying the families of the victims that died and those that lost limbs will receive ~one million each with other injuries getting a lower amount
2013-05-04 09:17:23 AM  
1 votes:
Let's check my records... I'm pretty sure I've sold a book called The Holocaust Industry... Oh wait, not what I was thinking.

It does seem to have been quite profitable. Imagine if the native americans had that sort of guilt tripping power, we'd be on the reservations.
2013-05-04 09:15:51 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


It's the museum, not the memorial.
2013-05-04 09:14:37 AM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.


I went to the DC one a while back. I was a little apprehensive at first but I'm really glad I went.

That museum did a great job at capturing all the significant moments in the Holocaust.

Apparently the 9/11 museum is going to be run by the same person who ran the Holocaust museum in DC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57580614/the-9-11-museum-curat in g-memories-of-terror-and-tragedy/
2013-05-04 09:12:56 AM  
1 votes:
One every minute.
OOh, there is another one.
Wait for it,,, and another.

USA, where pain and suffering are a franchise for Profit.
2013-05-04 09:11:02 AM  
1 votes:

Principal Clarinet: Don't forget the $50 to park the car and another $50 for the cab ride to the museum.


And also the museum security checking you for explosives by molesting you like you were in the 1970's version of Times Square. I really want to visit the Ground Zero Memorial but it looks as if they have that place locked down like Fort Knox. No thanks, it would be more enjoyable to walk the Mall in DC instead. Seems like the NY politicians want to turn the city into the first US Police State.
2013-05-04 09:10:53 AM  
1 votes:
who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown
2013-05-04 08:23:29 AM  
1 votes:
I go to New York once a year. I wouldn't even go to this place even if it had free admission. Tourists should go to a Broadway show, Yankees game, Mets game (if they are masochists), or Coney Island instead.
2013-05-04 07:07:19 AM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.


The DC one does not.
2013-05-04 06:54:07 AM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.


I doubt it would even put a dent in construction recuperation.

I believe this is about the museum trying to be as self-sufficiant as possible. They may make money from trees, but trees arent gonna do a good job with the upkeep of this museum.
2013-05-04 01:53:37 AM  
1 votes:
Fark the people who have a problem with this.  They can pay for their own grief therapy.
 
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