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2013-05-04 03:49:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lunchlady: Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.

I won't worry. I don't think they're going to alter the finish line because of this.

But I do think that ultimately a small plaque or something will be placed where the bombing took place. Something small and simple is all that is needed IMHO,

I still think Bolyston Street will still be the busy, crowded, congested street that Bostonians have come to know and love.

You and I have a very different definition of "love."

I use the term "love" in a very...broad sense.

Stayed in Boston off of Bolyston Ave not too far from the finish line (Prudential Center) a few years back. It's really not a bad area minus the horrendous traffic.


That's where the T helps. And on a very good, not-so-humid day, you can walk from Kenmore up to the Public Gardens and beyond.
 
2013-05-04 03:56:32 PM
I see your "9/11 was the worst day in American history" and raise you the Galveston hurricane of 1900, which annihilated the city of Galveston and killed at least twice as many people and may have killed 4 times as many.

Call 9/11 "the worst act of terrorism on American soil", but don't you dare try to say it's the worst thing to ever happen to America.
 
2013-05-04 03:58:57 PM

Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.


When I was in DC last (long ago) the Smithsonian museums were no charge. If they can do how come this one can't?

Though to be fair most of the ones in SF do charge.

/though I do my small part by subscribing to their magazine
//have been a subby for years
///best deal in town for a magazine
 
2013-05-04 04:16:59 PM

Cataholic: I've been to the memorial and there was no airport style frisky frisky security. It was more in line with your typical metal detector courthouse style security and fairly quick to navigate. It's a beautiful place and well worth the minimal hassle.


This is what I don't get. Granted, it was a terrorist act so now they have to have metal detectors everywhere? I'm assuming they look into all backpacks too. They are a great place to carry my lenses and not a camera bag. One could probably have a decent device in a lens case.

Now we are heading to the point where we need to be "detected" at every event and every amusement park and every whatever. I would hate to think what would happen if someone took a bomb into Walmart. Then every market would require it.

Hey! It was not my idea. I swear.
 
2013-05-04 04:24:05 PM

Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.


However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?
 
2013-05-04 04:31:49 PM

panfried: moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts

A TSA badge and a copy of the Patriot Act.


And pictures of dead people. You forget the pictures of dead people.
 
2013-05-04 04:44:39 PM

saturn badger: Cataholic: I've been to the memorial and there was no airport style frisky frisky security. It was more in line with your typical metal detector courthouse style security and fairly quick to navigate. It's a beautiful place and well worth the minimal hassle.

This is what I don't get. Granted, it was a terrorist act so now they have to have metal detectors everywhere? I'm assuming they look into all backpacks too. They are a great place to carry my lenses and not a camera bag. One could probably have a decent device in a lens case.

Now we are heading to the point where we need to be "detected" at every event and every amusement park and every whatever. I would hate to think what would happen if someone took a bomb into Walmart. Then every market would require it.

Hey! It was not my idea. I swear.


I think the ground zero security such as it is at this point is because it's an active construction site, I remember hearing that the plan was to open it up as just any city park once the area around is done being built.
 
2013-05-04 04:48:19 PM

robertey: Nabb1: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

That museum would be a buzz kill.

May I recommend a more depressing and more fitting museum?

http://denisbinder.blogspot.com/2010/01/george-orwell-is-getting-mus eu m.html


And no wonder. He was born after he died.

His grave has this simple marker on it "here lies Eric Arthur Blair, born 25 June 2003, died 21 January 1950" - nothing to indicate that this grave in Oxfordshire is the burial site of the great George Orwell.
 
2013-05-04 04:56:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


Museum of Natural History. Old Executive State House. Natl. Geo Museum. Natl archives. Mt. Vernon to see Washingtons casket. If you can hang with a drive Monticello is pretty cool. Head out to the battlefield of Manassas. I realize they are not all in DC but still cool places to see. The locals can probably be more help but these are places I went to.

Then for the grand finale go sneak onto the CIA base near there. If you can evade capture for two hours you can win a fark survivor badge.
 
2013-05-04 04:58:56 PM

saturn badger: Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.

However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?


Probably thinking of NY museums such as USS Intrepid($22), MoMa($25), Met($25), Empire State Building($25), etc

Yes, NY is expensive.
 
2013-05-04 05:07:56 PM

bborchar: Awesome, I wish we didn't have stuff to do this weekend. I don't mind paying extra for special events, I've been to the TN parks because I grew up there, but now I live in PA, so I'm thinking that we might hit the battlefields up here this summer.


I go to CW reenactments. This year with my daughter and her bf. It was interesting how much they didn't know. Both are in JC but got the years wrong and the number of casualties. Off by a long shot. How many killed? Oh, 30k. What year? 1800s. Be more specific. please. 1840s. Place face palm pic here. Either the system failed or they slept through history classes.

Now we need to make a 9/11 reenactment. Would that be cool or what? A bit pricey but they could scale it down a bit like the do the reenactments. That I might pay for.

So we glorify war and mourn when we can't shoot back.

I'm not criticizing you here. By all means go. I just found it a place to toss in the differences of war (killing) and terrorism (killing) when we had no means to take out the perceived enemy in a timely manner.
 
2013-05-04 05:11:34 PM
Oh no! Not another reason to never ever visit New York City.
 
2013-05-04 05:12:43 PM

Arthur Jumbles: The damn thing should have never been built. The memorial should have been turning the area into a park. Someplace with lots of trees were people could have lunch from nearby office buildings and children could play. In the center they could have put up something like the  Vietnam VeteransMemorial, listing the names of the dead.


Agree 100%. It is sobering to visit the VN wall.

Now imagine doing it with a VN citizen as I did. Strangely enough it was not awkward. We kind of agreed both sides were really farked up.
 
2013-05-04 05:16:41 PM

Mega Steve: GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.

What do I get if I buy this baby?

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

/Jesus liked the Towers so much, he carried them off to Heaven, along with everyone in them


Why does Jesus have the Twin Towers on his penis?
 
2013-05-04 05:20:56 PM
snocone:  USA, where pain and suffering are a franchise for Profit.

THIS^^^
 
2013-05-04 05:26:41 PM

RedWineBuzz: Recently from the Onion
http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-still-hasnt-been-long-enough -t o-open-restau,32035/

/Flight 93 Alarm Chili
//I know it's so wrong, can't help but laugh


Can we help with the menu?

Falling Fries.
Osama Tea Laden
French Toasted Cheese Sandwich
 
2013-05-04 05:34:12 PM

count_chimpula: Yeah there's a memorial on Commonwealth Avenue for the Hotel Vendome fire where 9 firefighters died, so I imagine it would be something like that, probably in Copley Square.
http://www.publicartboston.com/content/vendome-fire-memorial


They also have this.

http://www.nehm.org/

Funded by McDonalds. The glass looks like it was sand blasted. It was. With the numbers of all the peope killed.
 
2013-05-04 05:37:31 PM

Phinn: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

The spy museum.


Did you see the second air and space museum? Much better than the original in my opinion.
http://airandspace.si.edu/udvarhazy/

Tour the capitol building
White House tour
Arlington cemetery for the Tomb of the Unkown soldier
 
2013-05-04 06:12:40 PM
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2013-05-04 06:25:37 PM

bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?

Battle of Gettysburg - 51,000 (National Military Park, 12.50)...
All were more horrific and deadly in America's history, all are cheaper and even free to see, none of them cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create or maintain.


Point of order: the new Gettysburg visitor center cost over $95M. The old one was free, and folks in town are pretty annoyed the new one charges. They did a great job with it though- they restored the Cyclorama to they way it used to be, then added a cool sound and light show to it.
(They're even more annoyed that the center is away from the tourist area of town- it makes fleecing the tourists harder)
 
2013-05-04 06:37:37 PM

NaziKamikaze: Pretty sure it's the Battle of Antietam, but that doesn't negate their point.


The Day They Renewed Whitney for Another Season.
 
2013-05-04 06:49:33 PM
The OKC  National Memorial and Museum charges $12.
 
2013-05-04 07:29:35 PM

NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.


You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.
 
2013-05-04 08:44:40 PM
The only way a museum can offer free admission is through financial support from donors and Federal grants. Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the janitors and the security guards and the electric company. It amazes me how Americans demand things be self sufficient yet also expect it to be free. It's like saying "You can make money...just not MY money...I should get in FREE!"
 
2013-05-04 09:34:47 PM

Mija: You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.


Yep.  Basically what I had stated above.
 
2013-05-04 09:39:54 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We never shoulda let Giuliani trademark the term.


If Giuliani and GW Bush had to pay $25 for every time they said 9/11, the memorial would have been paid off before Obama was elected to office.
 
2013-05-04 10:06:20 PM
Can't wait to see the thermite in the museum.
 
2013-05-04 10:17:30 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: jso2897: (/11 was a terrible thing - and I wish only the best for those who lost people in their lives on that dreadful day.
But - and i apologize for having to say this - it was NOT the worst day in American History. By a long shot.
Or at least, if it turns out to be - it will be OUR fault.

You're right...
[talkingpointsmemo.com image 660x452]


Sheesh, who let her out of the house in that dress/uniform? Why didn't they know to tell her that half of America already hates you and thinks your husband is the sentinel of martial law, please don't dress like a sci-fi villain for this occasion.
 
2013-05-04 10:45:07 PM

abhorrent1: They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.


Let me guess. You're one of those people who feels that childless people shouldn't have to pay taxes to support public schools, people who don't drive cars shouldn't have their taxes used to pay for roads, etc.

The museum should be publicly funded or funded through a charitable organization. People who make $7.25 per hour shouldn't have to cough up $25 to visit the museum.
 
2013-05-04 11:09:01 PM

muck4doo: Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?


LOL, because God knows, the Tribe shares.
 
2013-05-05 12:30:33 AM

ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.


this.  12/7/1941, for example
 
2013-05-05 12:45:38 AM

Apik0r0s: muck4doo: Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?

LOL, because God knows, the Tribe shares.


Oh, they will be sharing all right, then expect someone else to pay the taxes for it.
 
2013-05-05 03:17:45 AM

Just_a_Bear: ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.

this.  12/7/1941, for example


We'll see. If we manage to dial back the authoritarian surveillance state, maybe. If not, then 9/11 may win in the long run.
 
2013-05-05 08:53:25 AM

saturn badger: When I was in DC last (long ago) the Smithsonian museums were no charge. If they can do how come this one can't?


Because it's gets most of its revenues from subsidies by the Federal Government (At least I think that's why. Correct me if I'm wrong though)

Which I think it's worth it because they have some of the best museums in the country.

.

saturn badger: Museum of Natural History. Old Executive State House. Natl. Geo Museum. Natl archives. Mt. Vernon to see Washingtons casket. If you can hang with a drive Monticello is pretty cool. Head out to the battlefield of Manassas. I realize they are not all in DC but still cool places to see. The locals can probably be more help but these are places I went to.

Then for the grand finale go sneak onto the CIA base near there. If you can evade capture for two hours you can win a fark survivor badge.


I really need to save this thread. There's been a lot of great tips on here.
 
2013-05-05 01:29:40 PM
Don't most museums charge an entry fee? Don't wanna pay? Don't go.
 
2013-05-05 01:32:55 PM
July 3rd, 1863 would like a word regarding 'the worst day in American history'.
 
2013-05-05 02:21:49 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?

Battle of Gettysburg - 51,000 (National Military Park, 12.50)...
All were more horrific and deadly in America's history, all are cheaper and even free to see, none of them cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create or maintain.

Point of order: the new Gettysburg visitor center cost over $95M. The old one was free, and folks in town are pretty annoyed the new one charges. They did a great job with it though- they restored the Cyclorama to they way it used to be, then added a cool sound and light show to it.
(They're even more annoyed that the center is away from the tourist area of town- it makes fleecing the tourists harder)


If you want to go in and pick up a pamphlet for the Auto Tour, that's free, and so is the parking.

And I'm pretty sure there was no "park at the Vistor Center for free while you go in town". Still have to hunt for a spot and feed the meters, although it's free on Sundays, and plenty of spots up the main drag past the Farnsworth.
 
2013-05-05 02:25:29 PM

The Downfall: [i1170.photobucket.com image 850x637]


I've seen this truck in the parking lot of my local Walmart.


Someone should smear a dog shiat pentagram over it.

Just for the LOLS.
 
2013-05-05 03:00:15 PM

count_chimpula: saturn badger: Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.

However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?

Probably thinking of NY museums such as USS Intrepid($22), MoMa($25), Met($25), Empire State Building($25), etc

Yes, NY is expensive.


The Met's FREE
 
2013-05-05 03:04:20 PM

Mija: NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.

You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.


I live in "The Souf" and people here just don't say anything negative to your face. It's not politeness, it's dishonesty. It's rude as fark. Oh and everyone expects you to read their farking mind. Go to the grocery, stand in front of the milk for half a goddamn hour and see if anyone says anything. Morons.
 
2013-05-05 03:35:17 PM

moothemagiccow: The Met's FREE


A donation of $25 is "recommended".
 
2013-05-05 07:28:47 PM

moothemagiccow: Go to the grocery, stand in front of the milk for half a goddamn hour and see if anyone says anything. Morons.


What could you possibly be expecting someone to say to you standing in front of the milk?
 
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