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(New York Daily News)   9/11 museum at Ground Zero will charge $25 for admission. Family members of victims: "These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 342
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2013-05-04 01:02:54 AM  
Don't forget the $50 to park the car and another $50 for the cab ride to the museum.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-05-04 01:07:21 AM  
It worked for Toby Keith.
 
2013-05-04 01:45:21 AM  
Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?
 
2013-05-04 01:46:59 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


You're right

/that'll be $25.00, please
 
2013-05-04 01:53:37 AM  
Fark the people who have a problem with this.  They can pay for their own grief therapy.
 
2013-05-04 02:47:55 AM  
Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?
 
2013-05-04 03:34:06 AM  
To be fair, the Twin Towers were one of this country's greatest monuments to capitalism and hubris, so it's fitting that the memorial have the big brass balls to demand a $25 fee.
 
2013-05-04 05:07:19 AM  
The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.
 
2013-05-04 06:19:17 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


That museum would be a buzz kill.
 
2013-05-04 06:51:33 AM  
Are they putting that landing gear in this museum? Because I would totally pay $25 just to see that.

/eyeroll
 
2013-05-04 06:54:07 AM  

MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.


I doubt it would even put a dent in construction recuperation.

I believe this is about the museum trying to be as self-sufficiant as possible. They may make money from trees, but trees arent gonna do a good job with the upkeep of this museum.
 
2013-05-04 06:56:10 AM  
Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.
 
2013-05-04 07:06:59 AM  
What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.
 
2013-05-04 07:07:19 AM  

Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.


The DC one does not.
 
2013-05-04 07:10:14 AM  

Mugato: What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.


They could at least have a 9/11 simulator ride complete with bungee jumping off the roof.
 
2013-05-04 07:20:13 AM  

Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.


I didn't think so.
 
2013-05-04 07:29:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.

They could at least have a 9/11 simulator ride complete with bungee jumping off the roof.


Or they could have a flight simulator and give the visitor the options of two either being Islamists or United Airline's pilot
 
2013-05-04 07:33:52 AM  
It's NY.  They'd try to make a buck off curb-stomping you for walking against the light.  Oh, wait. they already do.
 
2013-05-04 07:35:46 AM  

cman: FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.

They could at least have a 9/11 simulator ride complete with bungee jumping off the roof.

Or they could have a flight simulator and give the visitor the options of two either being Islamists or United Airline's pilot


That I would pay for.
 
2013-05-04 07:52:46 AM  
We never shoulda let Giuliani trademark the term.
 
2013-05-04 08:16:31 AM  
The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.
 
2013-05-04 08:22:04 AM  

EvilEgg: Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


If it wasn't covered live on television, it apparently doesn't matter. History is for dweebs, y'know.
 
2013-05-04 08:23:29 AM  
I go to New York once a year. I wouldn't even go to this place even if it had free admission. Tourists should go to a Broadway show, Yankees game, Mets game (if they are masochists), or Coney Island instead.
 
2013-05-04 08:28:47 AM  
survivingsurvivalism.com
 
2013-05-04 08:31:45 AM  
i thought they'd have a "recommended donation" of $9.11
 
2013-05-04 08:46:45 AM  
Sports tab?.... ah, the all American game of fleecing/screwing the consumer/public.  Got it.
 
2013-05-04 09:06:39 AM  
They're just being bad Sports.
 
2013-05-04 09:07:10 AM  
Does the TSA grope-search everyone who enters?  Because that's the real cost of what happened.
 
2013-05-04 09:08:05 AM  
Do they accept shekels?
 
2013-05-04 09:09:38 AM  
I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.
 
2013-05-04 09:09:57 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


This x 3000

Computer eat my Boobies ?
 
2013-05-04 09:10:11 AM  
I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?
 
2013-05-04 09:10:19 AM  
www.talkleft.com
 
2013-05-04 09:10:25 AM  
Is this the memorial with the pool that was obscenely expensive to build and maintain?
 
2013-05-04 09:10:53 AM  
who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown
 
2013-05-04 09:11:02 AM  

Principal Clarinet: Don't forget the $50 to park the car and another $50 for the cab ride to the museum.


And also the museum security checking you for explosives by molesting you like you were in the 1970's version of Times Square. I really want to visit the Ground Zero Memorial but it looks as if they have that place locked down like Fort Knox. No thanks, it would be more enjoyable to walk the Mall in DC instead. Seems like the NY politicians want to turn the city into the first US Police State.
 
2013-05-04 09:12:56 AM  
One every minute.
OOh, there is another one.
Wait for it,,, and another.

USA, where pain and suffering are a franchise for Profit.
 
2013-05-04 09:14:26 AM  

syrynxx: Does the TSA grope-search everyone who enters?  Because that's the real cost of what happened.


Seems like it would be a necessary part of the "experience".
 
2013-05-04 09:14:33 AM  
And if it was free people would cry about taxes having to support it.

fark everyone
 
2013-05-04 09:14:37 AM  

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.


I went to the DC one a while back. I was a little apprehensive at first but I'm really glad I went.

That museum did a great job at capturing all the significant moments in the Holocaust.

Apparently the 9/11 museum is going to be run by the same person who ran the Holocaust museum in DC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57580614/the-9-11-museum-curat in g-memories-of-terror-and-tragedy/
 
2013-05-04 09:15:05 AM  
Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.
 
2013-05-04 09:15:48 AM  
And then the museum will double as a mosque for maximum trolling
 
2013-05-04 09:15:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


It's the museum, not the memorial.
 
2013-05-04 09:15:52 AM  
Is anyone being forced to visit the museum?   If you don't like the $25 fee, just don't go there.

/If it was free, you'd have the soup kitchen crowd use it as a hang out.
 
2013-05-04 09:16:29 AM  
(/11 was a terrible thing - and I wish only the best for those who lost people in their lives on that dreadful day.
But - and i apologize for having to say this - it was NOT the worst day in American History. By a long shot.
Or at least, if it turns out to be - it will be OUR fault.
 
2013-05-04 09:17:23 AM  
25 dollars just for the 9/11 Memorial? How about no? It's a nice monument, it's very touching, but how long does it even take to walk through it and see everything?
 
2013-05-04 09:17:23 AM  
Let's check my records... I'm pretty sure I've sold a book called The Holocaust Industry... Oh wait, not what I was thinking.

It does seem to have been quite profitable. Imagine if the native americans had that sort of guilt tripping power, we'd be on the reservations.
 
2013-05-04 09:18:01 AM  
Pretty sure it's the Battle of Antietam, but that doesn't negate their point.
 
2013-05-04 09:18:07 AM  

jbc: It worked for Toby Keith.


Halliburton,Exxon Mobil,Blackwater and a ton of others too.
 
2013-05-04 09:18:44 AM  
9/11, I meant. Caffeine before posting.
 
2013-05-04 09:18:59 AM  

Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.


The memorial in Farmington Hills MI does.
 
2013-05-04 09:19:03 AM  
Do you get any souvenirs?
 
2013-05-04 09:19:56 AM  
Build it and they won't come.
 
2013-05-04 09:20:16 AM  

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.


Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.
 
2013-05-04 09:20:34 AM  

Point02GPA: Do you get any souvenirs?


Heh. I'll take the seat right next to yours. :D
 
2013-05-04 09:22:37 AM  
'Worst day in American history' might be a bit much - recent history maybe... Some of the civil war battles far-eclipse 9/11 in the number of Americans killed & injured.
 
2013-05-04 09:22:44 AM  
It's worth the money as long as the coverup is finally exposed.
 
2013-05-04 09:23:35 AM  

Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.


Most of the museums in DC are free to the public. But, again, that's DC. This is NYC where there's a crazy high price for everything.

/Would pay for a ticket to go to the Smithsonian because it's that awesome
//But I don't have to because it's D.C., suckers!
 
2013-05-04 09:24:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?



But but but....NYC!!! 1!! 11!!!
 
2013-05-04 09:24:19 AM  
"The worst day in American history."  Makes me think of things like "The top 100 movies of all time," and 94 of them are from the past six years.

It was a very bad day, but the worst?  The truth is, I'm tired of Rudy Giuliani-style "9/11! 9/11! 9/11!" incantations.  If you lost loved ones on that day, it was a tragedy, but no more of a tragedy than anyone else who lost a loved one.  You shouldn't invoke it like a magic spell.  Try telling someone whose child was killed by a drunk driver that you rank over them because your loved one died at the same time as others.

The whole WTC area, everything in and around it, has been co-opted for political, propaganda and financial reasons.  A $25 fee to get into some memorial sounds like par for the course in NYC.
 
2013-05-04 09:24:59 AM  

ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.


I agree.
But this generation of idiots if they hear civil war, all they can think; wasn't that a guns and roses song?
 
2013-05-04 09:25:15 AM  

fatalvenom: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


But but but....NYC!!! 1!! 11!!!


No, it's 9!! 11!!!

See, you forgot already.
 
2013-05-04 09:25:19 AM  
A SECOND FEE HAS BEEN CHARGED AT THE COMMEMORATIVE PROGRAM STAND NEAR THE GIFT SHOP!
 
2013-05-04 09:25:37 AM  
Freedom doesn't pay for itself.
 
2013-05-04 09:25:41 AM  
Bloomberg didn't become a billionaire by giving away things for free.
 
2013-05-04 09:25:56 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: To be fair, the Twin Towers were one of this country's greatest monuments to capitalism and hubris, so it's fitting that the memorial have the big brass balls to demand a $25 fee.


The holocaust memorial museum should charge admission of 30 pieces of silver - for the lulz.
 
2013-05-04 09:27:10 AM  
Worst day in American History?

msnbcmedia3.msn.com
 
2013-05-04 09:27:30 AM  
Having worked in museums in NYC, I wonder if they'll have a reciprocal admission agreement. I suspect not, the assholes.
 
2013-05-04 09:27:52 AM  

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


THIS!

Maybe I'm getting old but, it seems to me that if something happens  more than twenty years ago people act like it never happened.
 
2013-05-04 09:28:48 AM  
You can get half off any entree in our museum cafe on Tuesdays when you buy any entree at double the normal price*

*Exclusions apply, taxes, fees and gratuity will be added to your bill, hey, I'm walkin' here
 
2013-05-04 09:29:20 AM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-05-04 09:29:26 AM  
They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.
 
2013-05-04 09:30:02 AM  
I didn't even go to the area it happened the last time I went to NYC a few years ago, and I sure as hell don't want to go to it now.  It was bad enough to live through it, I've seen these people's face, stories and family members in various news programs, documentaries and movies.  What is a name on a wall going to do?  In my mind, the best way to honor people and remember them is to use their memory to help others, which some of these people have done (while our politicians have done the exact opposite).  An obscenely expensive memorial that charges and obscene amount for admission because people have to go through an obscene amount of security isn't my idea of "remembering" these people.  If I have any money when I die, I want to be cremated and have my kids and grandkids take my ashes and spread them in places around the world that I never got to go to.  I don't need a memorial or headstone, I just want someone to do something new that they have never done before, because that's what I liked in my life.
 
2013-05-04 09:30:08 AM  

MagSeven: A SECOND FEE HAS BEEN CHARGED AT THE COMMEMORATIVE PROGRAM STAND NEAR THE GIFT SHOP!


i.huffpost.com

I can't believe it took that long. Well done.
 
2013-05-04 09:30:38 AM  

jshine: ecmoRandomNumbers: To be fair, the Twin Towers were one of this country's greatest monuments to capitalism and hubris, so it's fitting that the memorial have the big brass balls to demand a $25 fee.

The holocaust memorial museum should charge admission of 30 pieces of silver - for the lulz.


Only a few select people know this, but if you show 'em your bag of gold from around your neck, you get in free.
 
2013-05-04 09:30:41 AM  

snocone: One every minute.
OOh, there is another one.
Wait for it,,, and another.

USA, where pain and suffering are a franchise for Profit.


You waited two entire minutes to post such a short comment just to prove a point? That's dedication.
 
2013-05-04 09:31:19 AM  

Triumph: Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?


Congress? No. They'll receive a payout from the One Fund which is all donations from the public and businesses. I read an article on the Boston Globe saying the families of the victims that died and those that lost limbs will receive ~one million each with other injuries getting a lower amount
 
2013-05-04 09:31:42 AM  
I wonder how they're going to spin its effect on the air travel industry.
 
2013-05-04 09:32:03 AM  
It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.
 
2013-05-04 09:32:15 AM  
Just another ripoff that does not exist for me.
 
2013-05-04 09:32:20 AM  

Evil Mackerel: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

THIS!

Maybe I'm getting old but, it seems to me that if something happens  more than twenty years ago people act like it never happened.


And don't forget about when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. 2400 Americans killed.
But again, if it didn't happen in NY, it didn't happen because they're the center of the universe,
 
2013-05-04 09:33:35 AM  

Kevin Martin: It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.


Ya know, in the big picture, it is a perfect and fitting finish to a Memorial of our times.
 
2013-05-04 09:34:28 AM  

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


Pearl Harbor comes to mind too, as do a couple of points during the War of 1812. I can think of a few days that didn't even involve acts of war that were nevertheless worse than this one.

It is, of course, difficult to say this to someone who lost a loved one. Trauma is a cruel thing, and one of the worst things about it is the way it takes away a person's sense of perspective, and can do so for years, decades, or even full lifetimes, and there isn't much that anyone else can do about it.

For everyone else, though, enough is farking enough. Enough was farking enough in 2002.
 
2013-05-04 09:34:54 AM  
This fee won't get me riled up until I hear that the president of this non-profit foundation makes $2.5 mil a year.
 
2013-05-04 09:35:12 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


THIS
 
2013-05-04 09:35:44 AM  

abhorrent1: They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.


No, but corporate grant money can. I'd think that there would be scads of companies looking for a good way to wrap themselves in the flag and rend their garments out of recreational grief.
 
2013-05-04 09:36:32 AM  

wildcardjack: Imagine if the native americans had that sort of guilt tripping power, we'd be on the reservations.


Well I lost my ass at the Seminole Hard Rock Casino last week if that helps.
 
2013-05-04 09:36:43 AM  
I woulda swore January 20th 2001 was the worst day in American history.
 
2013-05-04 09:37:47 AM  

vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS


I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.
 
2013-05-04 09:40:24 AM  

abhorrent1: They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.


Do you really think this won't be subsidized with tax money if they charge an entrance fee? That's pretty naive. The entrance fee is for lining pockets, not for rent and upkeep.
 
2013-05-04 09:41:56 AM  

snocone: vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS

I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.


Talk about recognition, a lot of dead Democrats get to vote...numerious times.
 
2013-05-04 09:42:10 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


All it takes is 15 or 20 if they're in a school.
 
2013-05-04 09:42:22 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


Wow, thanks for the heads up.  I've been walking around doing whatever I want this whole time.
 
2013-05-04 09:42:38 AM  

snocone: vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS

I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.


Nah, you'd have to die traumatically at the hands of terrorists.  Madmen with guns and everyday murders don't count because then they might have to do something about it.
 
2013-05-04 09:43:03 AM  

Kevin Martin: It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.


I've been to the memorial and there was no airport style frisky frisky security.  It was more in line with your typical metal detector courthouse style security and fairly quick to navigate.  It's a beautiful place and well worth the minimal hassle.
 
2013-05-04 09:43:37 AM  
"These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"

Sorry, Bub, but the worst day in American history is when ABC cancelled Soap in 1981 without resolving any of the cliffhangers.
 
2013-05-04 09:44:54 AM  
Profiting from death? It's as American as apple pie.
www.moviegoods.com
 
2013-05-04 09:45:13 AM  

Principal Clarinet: Don't forget the $50 to park the car and another $50 for the cab ride to the museum.


dude what? you can get a parking garage spot for less than $10 bucks probably within walking distance, if not it's a $2.50 subway ride. take the brooklyn or queensboro bridges to avoid bridge/tunnel fares if coming from long island.
 
2013-05-04 09:46:50 AM  
Just so long as they give proper recognition to the Hulkster...

i185.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-04 09:46:53 AM  
Are they putting a false flag on top of the museum?
 
2013-05-04 09:47:25 AM  
Oh come on, you stupid Commie Libs.  What kind of Americans would they be if they didn't charge money for something.

Capitalism.  It's the American Way.  Deal with it, Libbocreeps.
 
2013-05-04 09:48:18 AM  

jbc: It worked for Toby Keith.


and Dick Cheney.
 
2013-05-04 09:48:46 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Worst day in American History?

[msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 298x277]


Certainly higher on the list than 9/11, if only because, among the administration's other failures, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, with plenty of warning to boot.

But no, it's still far from the worst day.
 
2013-05-04 09:48:51 AM  

snocone: vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

THIS

I always said you need to be dead for the GOP to recognize you.


A story about Bloomberg and NYC politics and it's still the GOP's fault.
 
2013-05-04 09:51:45 AM  

EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.


The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.
 
2013-05-04 09:54:17 AM  

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


Yes.
 
2013-05-04 09:58:13 AM  

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


Came here to say that.

The worst day of the 21st century (to date) in American history, probably.

Worse days:

December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor (higher death toll, pulled the US into a larger war)
April 12, 1861, attack on Fort Sumter (start of the Civil War)
August 24, 1814, Battle of Washington D.C. (British invaders burned D.C. to the ground, the White House and Capitol occupied and burned)
 
2013-05-04 09:59:02 AM  

Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.


Its ok if they get paid well. Its another thing when CEO's get paid well

/Trololololol
 
2013-05-04 09:59:23 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown


It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.
 
2013-05-04 10:01:11 AM  
How is this any different than the  holocaust or Pearl Harbor museums?  It they serve as a place to remember and to give respect to the fallen. Sorry, no outrage here.
 
2013-05-04 10:04:52 AM  

scruffynerfherder: How is this any different than the  holocaust or Pearl Harbor museums?  It they serve as a place to remember and to give respect to the fallen. Sorry, no outrage here.


No entrance fee at the Holocaust Museum or Pearl Harbor. Arizona memorial is free, first come first served tickets.
 
2013-05-04 10:05:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.



You know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2013-05-04 10:07:08 AM  
what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts
 
2013-05-04 10:07:53 AM  

moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts


A copy of The Pet Goat.
 
2013-05-04 10:09:11 AM  
It was kind of the worst day in modern history, because the US then spent what 4 trillion or something on wars in other countries, not to mention opening up a facility in Cuba that may never be closed until everyone there is dead.

I would hope at least the 9/11 victims' families would be able to get in for free.
 
2013-05-04 10:09:17 AM  

jmr61: AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?


This is Fark?..
 
2013-05-04 10:10:06 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.

Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.


Nah, it's pretty weird since only people on the east coast usually visit and everyone else pays for it too
 
2013-05-04 10:10:52 AM  
Well considering the current fiscal situation and cuts in funding to the U.S. National Parks Service and austerity measures implemented on state and local levels nationwide, this is probably where we are headed with many such endeavors in the future.
 
2013-05-04 10:11:50 AM  

moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts


A TSA badge and a copy of the Patriot Act.
 
2013-05-04 10:13:00 AM  
60 million annually to run. 2.5 million anticipated visitors. 25 dollars a head barely covers it.

Unless you'd like to have your taxes go up 50 cents to support a cultural institution?

Didn't think so.
 
2013-05-04 10:14:05 AM  

eggrolls: Unless you'd like to have your taxes go up 50 cents to support a cultural institution?


I would have zero problem with that.
 
2013-05-04 10:14:40 AM  
i6.photobucket.com
America, get the fark over yourselves.  As awful as it was, the families knew who was responsible; they were given a sense of closure.  How many people are killed every year where the assailant is unknown and never caught?  How many innocent Iraqis were killed as a result of this?
 
2013-05-04 10:16:53 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Oh come on, you stupid Commie Libs.  What kind of Ferengi would they be if they didn't charge money for something.

Capitalism.  It's the Ferengi Way.  Deal with it, Libbocreeps.


FTFY
 
2013-05-04 10:17:07 AM  

WhyteRaven74: eggrolls: Unless you'd like to have your taxes go up 50 cents to support a cultural institution?

I would have zero problem with that.


Me either, but we both know we're in the minority. How many people voted against Big Bird in the last election?
 
2013-05-04 10:17:51 AM  
"These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"

Oh, I think a lot of people have already made much more money from it (government contractors, foreign bribe-receivers).
 
2013-05-04 10:22:27 AM  
Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.
 
2013-05-04 10:23:18 AM  

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


So no tax dollars were spent building it? Could be true, but i doubt it.

It's pretty clear the museum wasn't built for Americans to come pay their respects. Is was built for tourists to come and gawk.
 
2013-05-04 10:25:32 AM  
"These people are trying to make money off the worst day in American history"
Still not sure how people are trying to make money off the day I got married.
 
2013-05-04 10:25:50 AM  

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


How about the day USA invaded Iraq. That's the worst in my book.

9/11 was meh, countries are attacked by terrorists all the time, get over it.
 
2013-05-04 10:26:18 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.


As a rube from the Bible Belt, I will be visiting for the food, not some hokey museum.
 
2013-05-04 10:26:31 AM  
I thought 9/11 was about making money to begin with.
 
2013-05-04 10:27:54 AM  

macadamnut: [www.talkleft.com image Giuliani 266x200]


imageshack.us
 
2013-05-04 10:27:55 AM  

WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.


Appomattox, 9 April 1865?
 
2013-05-04 10:28:01 AM  

Kevin Martin: It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.


hah, that's very fitting. Have the TSA pat every one down, so people really understand the consequences of 9/11.
 
2013-05-04 10:28:36 AM  
i think $25 is fair.
 
2013-05-04 10:29:29 AM  

b0rg9: Just so long as they give proper recognition to the Hulkster...

[i185.photobucket.com image 806x886]


Truly history's greatest monster
 
2013-05-04 10:29:40 AM  

b0rg9: Just so long as they give proper recognition to the Hulkster...

[i185.photobucket.com image 806x886]


I'm not sure a touring photoshop exhibit will go over well there.
 
M-G
2013-05-04 10:30:42 AM  
The families of WTC victims have got to be the whiniest self-entitled people in the country.  Yes, it sucks your loved one was killed.  People get killed every day in terrible ways.  But for some reason, we all have to bend over backwards for you.
 
2013-05-04 10:30:54 AM  

spawn73: Kevin Martin: It cost $700m to build and they say it will cost over a $1m a week to run. Of course they have to charge for it. It never should have cost that much in the first place of course. They say it's going to cost $12m a year in  private security and to get into the plaza you will be checked airport style. The whole thing is disgusting, What happened was terrible, But from the beginning it's been overtaken by opportunistic snake oil salesmen.

hah, that's very fitting. Have the TSA pat every one down, so people really understand the consequences of 9/11.


Just go into any building in DC. It's the same thing.
 
2013-05-04 10:31:08 AM  

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


We routinely in this country use tax dollars to build sports arenas for billionaires to replace earlier taxpayer funded arenas that the billionaires have grown tired of. But tax money can't be used for a museum related to one of the worst attacks in the nation's modern history? Talk about odd priorities.
 
2013-05-04 10:31:19 AM  
As long as the unionized construction companies get overpaid, that's all that matters.

Their excessive compensation has to come from somewhere, and the TV news companies aren't sharing their 9/11 profits.
 
2013-05-04 10:32:34 AM  
"43 years ago today, May 4, 1970 is one of the worst days in American History.

Ohio National Guardsmen opened fire on protesting students at Kent State University. When the shooting was over, four students were dead, one student was permanently paralyzed, and eight others were injured. In the wake of the shootings, the attention of the nation was focused on the Ohio campus. The shootings prompted the largest student strike in United States history and a change in public opinion about the Vietnam War. The photo below depicts the four students who were killed at Kent State - Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer and William Schroeder. "
the day
the music
died
 
2013-05-04 10:32:39 AM  

Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?


...because they let the South surrender instead of letting Sherman continue to ruin wild?
 
2013-05-04 10:32:56 AM  
That place has to have massive utility bills.

So... no.
 
2013-05-04 10:33:00 AM  

EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.


And they charge only $12.50 at the Gettysburg Visitor Center. Plus you get Morgan Freeman narrating an intro film.
 
2013-05-04 10:33:04 AM  
cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2013-05-04 10:33:07 AM  
What better way than the American way to make money off of other people's misery.
 
2013-05-04 10:33:42 AM  

EngineerAU: EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?

We routinely in this country use tax dollars to build sports arenas for billionaires to replace earlier taxpayer funded arenas that the billionaires have grown tired of. But tax money can't be used for a museum related to one of the worst attacks in the nation's modern history? Talk about odd priorities.


One place is decidedly more happy than the other.
 
2013-05-04 10:33:53 AM  

cman: FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: What is there to see anyway? A lot of wrecked shiat and pictures of dead people? Meh.

They could at least have a 9/11 simulator ride complete with bungee jumping off the roof.

Or they could have a flight simulator and give the visitor the options of two either being Islamists or United Airline's pilot


---- Don't forget the participation exercise led by a docent.....
"OK everyone take out your cell phones and pretend you're near the top floor. When you see and hear the building crumble in the video, everyone yell OH GOD!"

/actual recorded 911 call, very chilling.
//this whole $25 museum idea makes me mad.
 
2013-05-04 10:36:00 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


THIS. I'm sorry for their loss, and I cannot imagine the pain of New Yorkers and the family members of those who died, but  this is not the greatest American tragedy ever. It was a sad, predictable attack created almost entirely by a few lunatics and our foreign policy. You want to change something? Address our foreign policy.  That will do more than this museum ever could.
 
2013-05-04 10:37:49 AM  
www.silvercoinstoday.com

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.
 
2013-05-04 10:39:06 AM  
They will be having an Aviary filled with glitter covered, weeping Bald Eagles, correct?
 
2013-05-04 10:39:10 AM  
September 17, 1862. The battle of Antietam. 22,717 Americans dead, wounded, or captured. The unity of the United States is in jeopardy. America is in the middle of its bloodiest war, the effects of which we still feel today.

THAT is the worst day in American history.
 
2013-05-04 10:39:19 AM  

GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.


You can flick the towers down with your finger over and over again.
 
2013-05-04 10:40:36 AM  
I have just been to the atomic bomb museum in Hiroshima. Entrance fee was $0.50

Socialism I guess
 
2013-05-04 10:40:38 AM  

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.


It makes sense. Bernie and Sylvia wouldn't want to cough up the admission after all.
 
2013-05-04 10:40:43 AM  

Godscrack: GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.

You can flick the towers down with your finger over and over again.


I like to hit them with my North Carolina quarter...

www.netstate.com
 
2013-05-04 10:41:41 AM  
Is it wrong that I'm picturing a gift shop full of fridge magnets and little replica statues of towers with planes going into them?
 
2013-05-04 10:43:00 AM  

MBZ321: Is it wrong that I'm picturing a gift shop full of fridge magnets and little replica statues of towers with planes going into them?


Don't forget the T-Shirts...

www.tshirthell.com
 
2013-05-04 10:44:05 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: And they charge only $12.50 at the Gettysburg Visitor Center. Plus you get Morgan Freeman narrating an intro film.


$5 Alamo.
Pee Wee Herman personal tour of the basement.
 
2013-05-04 10:45:00 AM  

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


As a matter of fact, yes I would rather there was no museum
 
2013-05-04 10:46:16 AM  

GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.


What do I get if I buy this baby?

farm5.staticflickr.com

/Jesus liked the Towers so much, he carried them off to Heaven, along with everyone in them
 
2013-05-04 10:46:56 AM  

George_Spelvin: [i6.photobucket.com image 600x312]
America, get the fark over yourselves.  As awful as it was, the families knew who was responsible; they were given a sense of closure.  How many people are killed every year where the assailant is unknown and never caught?  How many innocent Iraqis were killed as a result of this?


No all Americans think the same way. That said, charging for a tragedy is pretty slimy, no matter how you look at it. I will also add that your military and political officials famously licked the Pentagon's taint throughout the whole thing like the obedient little suck-ups they are. You should be proud.
 
2013-05-04 10:47:19 AM  
That's where the Ground Zero Mosque people made their mistake. Free admission.
 
2013-05-04 10:47:31 AM  
For $25 a pop, there had better be a virtual reality exhibit where you run around trying to dodge all the falling bodies from landing on you. Or if one manages to land on a target painted on the ground, you get a free Taco Bell taco.
 
2013-05-04 10:48:14 AM  
farm5.staticflickr.com

Jesus Christ. This better be photoshopped.
 
2013-05-04 10:48:19 AM  

Mega Steve: GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.

What do I get if I buy this baby?


The joy of cutting and welding that sucker so it looks like Jesus has a massive double wang?
 
2013-05-04 10:50:27 AM  
I think people are twisting things around looking for things to get upset about.

People think it's disgusting to have to pay $25 to pay their respects to the dead - why do you have to go to a museum to pay your respects? As I understand it, the entire memorial site will still be free or have a nominal reservation fee for practical purposes.

We need a reality check. If the museum was free, you'd never be able to get inside. It would be packed constantly. If they set up a ticket reservation system, you'd be on a waiting list for years before you could get in. Charging money is one of the best methods of crowd control there is, and it lessens the burden on taxpayers.

Go see the fountains. Look at the names. Walk around the park. Have whatever quiet time you need for free. If you'd like to more, then pay for it. I think that's very reasonable.
 
2013-05-04 10:51:29 AM  

Point02GPA: Do you get any souvenirs?


Re-packaged strawberry astronaut ice cream packets, labelled as "human remains pouches."
 
2013-05-04 10:52:41 AM  

TheOtherMisterP: . If the museum was free, you'd never be able to get inside. It would be packed constantly. If they set up a ticket reservation system, you'd be on a waiting list for years before you could get in


like the white house?
 
2013-05-04 10:54:22 AM  

Godscrack: [farm5.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Jesus Christ. This better be photoshopped.


Why does Jesus shun the Pentagon?
 
2013-05-04 10:54:55 AM  
Seriously?  Shut the fark up!  It's a damn museum in the middle of farking Manhattan, that includes real estate that would go for tens of millions of dollars.  Who the fark do these people think are going to pay for the museum, operations, upkeep, etc.

I had a family member die on 9/11, and it was horrible.  No more horrible than having family members criminally killed in any other manner, however.  Yeah, it was a terrible day, a tragic act of terror.  It was also 12 farking years ago, and the country has to move on.

Build the damn museum, honor the victims, but expecting all of it to be free simply because it's about 9/11 is damned ridiculous.  How much does it cost to get into the various museums about the holocaust?!  Imagine if all the families of the 6 million jews were all up in arms about that.

Good god people, this isn't even a minor outrage.
 
2013-05-04 10:59:17 AM  

LordJiro: Hobodeluxe: Worst day in American History?

[msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 298x277]

Certainly higher on the list than 9/11, if only because, among the administration's other failures, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, with plenty of warning to boot.

But no, it's still far from the worst day.


According to Wikipedia, it's the 4th worst day in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_the_United_States_ by _death_toll
 
2013-05-04 11:00:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


FTFA:  Entrance to the memorial itself - which includes the picturesque reflection pools marking the footprints of the twin towers - will continue to be free, though a $2 service fee for online reservations was recently put in place.
 
2013-05-04 11:00:36 AM  
This is America. Land costs rent, electricity costs money, staff costs payroll, upkeep costs income.

Unless you want to visit a crumbling cave with no power and every tourists' chewed disposed bubblegum on the bottom of your feet, pay the farking $25.

If you can afford to visit or live in NY, you can afford the $25.
 
2013-05-04 11:02:03 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Godscrack: [farm5.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

Jesus Christ. This better be photoshopped.

Why does Jesus shun the Pentagon?


He doesn't shun it, he's sitting on it to keep the pressure off his hemorrhoids.
 
2013-05-04 11:02:25 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: How much does it cost to get into the various museums about the holocaust?!


The one in DC is free. But I think it's also funded by the taxpayers.

But I still see your main point. Most museums in New York charge between $15-$30 for admission so I guess this is roughly near the average.
 
2013-05-04 11:04:25 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.

Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.


Spy Museum and Crime Museum are 15 or so. NatGeo Museum charged 8 for the Titanic exhibition. But most of the museums around and near the Mall are free.
 
2013-05-04 11:04:47 AM  

Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?


Battle of Gettysburg - 51,000 (National Military Park, 12.50)
Battle of Chickamauga - 34,624 (National Park, no fee)

Battle of Spotsylvania Court House - 30,000 (National Park, 2.00 fee, free for students)

Battle of the Wilderness - 25,416 (same as Spotsylvania)

Battle of Chancellorsville - 24,000 (same as Spotsylvania)

Battle of Shiloh - 23,746 (National Military Park, no fee)

Battle of Stones River - 23,515 (National Battlefield, no fee)

Battle of Antietam - 23,100 (National Battlefield, 4.00 person, 6.00 family)

Second Battle of Bull Run - 22,180 (Manassas National Park, 3.00 person)

Battle of Fort Donelson - 17,398 (National Battlefield, no fee)

All were more horrific and deadly in America's history, all are cheaper and even free to see, none of them cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create or maintain.
 
2013-05-04 11:04:57 AM  

Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.


And the gift shop is a major downer too.
 
2013-05-04 11:05:58 AM  

Godscrack: Jesus Christ. This better be photoshopped.


farm5.staticflickr.com

Nope. The Twin Towers now rest firmly on Jesus' gigantic schlong.
 
2013-05-04 11:06:07 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.

Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.

Spy Museum and Crime Museum are 15 or so. NatGeo Museum charged 8 for the Titanic exhibition. But most of the museums around and near the Mall are free.


What about the Newseum? How is that one?

It looked interesting but we never had time to make it over there.
 
2013-05-04 11:06:32 AM  

b0rg9: Just so long as they give proper recognition to the Hulkster...


That picture cracks me up every god damn time.
 
2013-05-04 11:07:51 AM  
Poor Jesus. Set your twin towers playset down for just a minute, and that asshole Mohammad comes and knocks it over.
 
2013-05-04 11:08:19 AM  
Welcome to America, where if it can't be profited from privately or used for political gain, it doesn't exist.
 
2013-05-04 11:08:47 AM  
Oklahoma City charges $12 for their museum.  Little bit of competition there, amiright?
 
2013-05-04 11:08:58 AM  

andyofne: LordJiro: Hobodeluxe: Worst day in American History?

[msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 298x277]

Certainly higher on the list than 9/11, if only because, among the administration's other failures, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, with plenty of warning to boot.

But no, it's still far from the worst day.

According to Wikipedia, it's the 4th worst day in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_the_United_States_ by _death_toll



Nice find. Weather takes it's toll.
 
2013-05-04 11:09:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


WTF does that even mean?
 
2013-05-04 11:10:17 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Seriously?  Shut the fark up!  It's a damn museum in the middle of farking Manhattan, that includes real estate that would go for tens of millions of dollars.  Who the fark do these people think are going to pay for the museum, operations, upkeep, etc.

I had a family member die on 9/11, and it was horrible.  No more horrible than having family members criminally killed in any other manner, however.  Yeah, it was a terrible day, a tragic act of terror.  It was also 12 farking years ago, and the country has to move on.

Build the damn museum, honor the victims, but expecting all of it to be free simply because it's about 9/11 is damned ridiculous.  How much does it cost to get into the various museums about the holocaust?!  Imagine if all the families of the 6 million jews were all up in arms about that.

Good god people, this isn't even a minor outrage.


They're free, or at least make an effort to make it free. The DC museum is free, the memorial in Boston is open to the public, the New York museum charges 12 bucks but also has one day a week for a couple hours where admission is free. Buchenwald charges for tours but is free of charge to holocaust survivors and families.

That being said, I don't care that they charge 25 dollars. I just won't go. They should probably have a free for families of those who died or open for certain times for free. Even then, what is there to see at the memorial that we have not already seen the hundreds of times on TV after it happened or currently on youtube and picture gallery sites?
 
2013-05-04 11:11:45 AM  

Millennium: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

Pearl Harbor comes to mind too, as do a couple of points during the War of 1812. I can think of a few days that didn't even involve acts of war that were nevertheless worse than this one.

It is, of course, difficult to say this to someone who lost a loved one. Trauma is a cruel thing, and one of the worst things about it is the way it takes away a person's sense of perspective, and can do so for years, decades, or even full lifetimes, and there isn't much that anyone else can do about it.

For everyone else, though, enough is farking enough. Enough was farking enough in 2002.


I remember saying something to the effect on the tenth anniversary of the event. His response was somewhere along the lines of "so you want us to forget then?" and I sh*t you not, "should we forget about the holocaust too? Hey this guy thinks we should forget the holocaust!". This was an accomplished heart surgeon, the guy who operated in Bob Uecker, actually. Imagine the derp level when it's your average american.
 
2013-05-04 11:12:08 AM  
Well if they are going to charge $25 the least they could do is have all the footage from that day looping on an IMAX screen
 
2013-05-04 11:15:37 AM  

EkimProx: I don't understand what the problem is here. You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good. Or you charge a fee. Also, make of this what you will, but "exploiting a tragedy" is nothing new. What about the movie Pearl Harbour? World War 2 video games? Would you rather there was no museum?


http://www.nps.gov/valr/index.htm

Why is that a problem?  It's now a major historical landmark.

Why is it not being run national historic site?

Non profits can range from super shady enterprises that act as family and friend employment generators, to benevolent endeavors.  Not idea what this one is, but it probably shouldn't be run as one.
 
2013-05-04 11:16:40 AM  

Nabb1: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

That museum would be a buzz kill.


May I recommend a more depressing and more fitting museum?

http://denisbinder.blogspot.com/2010/01/george-orwell-is-getting-mus eu m.html
 
2013-05-04 11:16:48 AM  

bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Battle of Spotsylvania Court House - 30,000 (National Park, 2.00 fee, free for students)



Speaking of, it's re-enactment weekend at Spotsylvania Court House.

And yes, they do charge to watch the LARPers.
 
2013-05-04 11:19:21 AM  
People have already made brazillians of dollars off of 9/11. Why are they complaining now?
 
2013-05-04 11:21:30 AM  
You think they're mad now, wait til they see the gift shop prices.

$19.99 for a FDNY #1 foam finger?
 
2013-05-04 11:21:41 AM  

MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.


when will the jersey turnpike be paid for?
 
2013-05-04 11:24:27 AM  

jshine: 'Worst day in American history' might be a bit much - recent history maybe... Some of the civil war battles far-eclipse 9/11 in the number of Americans killed & injured.


Yeah, how about the day that war started?
Or the day they passed the Tonkin Gulf resolution?
Or pearl Harbor? (to be fair, that die was probably already cast)
Or the stock market crash of 1929?
All of them were far worse days for America.
 
2013-05-04 11:26:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


Why would you go to a museum to pay your respects anyway?
 
2013-05-04 11:26:18 AM  

Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.

Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.

Spy Museum and Crime Museum are 15 or so. NatGeo Museum charged 8 for the Titanic exhibition. But most of the museums around and near the Mall are free.

What about the Newseum? How is that one?

It looked interesting but we never had time to make it over there.


21.95 plus tax, good for two consecutive days.
 
2013-05-04 11:27:59 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: Nabb1: Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.

I didn't think so.

Most museums in DC are free (All the Smithsonian ones are at least). Which is pretty nice since there are quite a few world-class museums in DC.

Spy Museum and Crime Museum are 15 or so. NatGeo Museum charged 8 for the Titanic exhibition. But most of the museums around and near the Mall are free.

What about the Newseum? How is that one?

It looked interesting but we never had time to make it over there.

21.95 plus tax, good for two consecutive days.


Is it worth it?
 
2013-05-04 11:28:58 AM  
I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?
 
2013-05-04 11:29:21 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Battle of Spotsylvania Court House - 30,000 (National Park, 2.00 fee, free for students)


Speaking of, it's re-enactment weekend at Spotsylvania Court House.

And yes, they do charge to watch the LARPers.


Awesome, I wish we didn't have stuff to do this weekend.  I don't mind paying extra for special events, I've been to the TN parks because I grew up there, but now I live in PA, so I'm thinking that we might hit the battlefields up here this summer.
 
2013-05-04 11:32:06 AM  

cman: MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.

I doubt it would even put a dent in construction recuperation.

I believe this is about the museum trying to be as self-sufficiant as possible. They may make money from trees, but trees arent gonna do a good job with the upkeep of this museum.


If any of you would bother to RTFA, it says 700m plus 60m/year. Over 1 billion has already be privately donated or given by the state. That's construction and operation for 5 years into the future, with more private donations coming in everyday. It's a money grab, pure and simple, but don't let facts get in the way of your political gamemanship.
 
2013-05-04 11:32:29 AM  

wildlifer: ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.

I agree.
But this generation of idiots if they hear civil war, all they can think; wasn't that a guns and roses song?


Wait, what generation are you talking about?  I'm creeping up on thirty and I would have been 6 when that song came out.
 
2013-05-04 11:32:41 AM  

Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


The Ford theater.
 
2013-05-04 11:33:49 AM  

Triumph: Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?




They will probably get as much as the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing got.
 
2013-05-04 11:34:39 AM  
Patriot boner must be THIS BIG before entering alone
 
2013-05-04 11:36:10 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.


Considering the budget crunch. I really think we should give the naming rights to the highest bidder. The Kia Theater would put millions of dollars back into the economy.
 
2013-05-04 11:36:34 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Triumph: Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?

Congress? No. They'll receive a payout from the One Fund which is all donations from the public and businesses. I read an article on the Boston Globe saying the families of the victims that died and those that lost limbs will receive ~one million each with other injuries getting a lower amount




That's not going to come close to paying their medical bills.
 
2013-05-04 11:37:30 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.


The spy museum.
 
2013-05-04 11:37:50 AM  

andyofne: LordJiro: Hobodeluxe: Worst day in American History?

[msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 298x277]

Certainly higher on the list than 9/11, if only because, among the administration's other failures, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, with plenty of warning to boot.

But no, it's still far from the worst day.

According to Wikipedia, it's the 4th worst day in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_the_United_States_ by _death_toll


So the day John F. Kennedy was shot was awesome in your world.
 
2013-05-04 11:38:38 AM  
Okay, fine; since they're not supposed to pay to keep the thing open, just close it down.  We don't need a constant reminder anyway.

/these things cost money, y'know.
//dumbasses
 
2013-05-04 11:39:02 AM  

rga184: Millennium: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

Pearl Harbor comes to mind too, as do a couple of points during the War of 1812. I can think of a few days that didn't even involve acts of war that were nevertheless worse than this one.

It is, of course, difficult to say this to someone who lost a loved one. Trauma is a cruel thing, and one of the worst things about it is the way it takes away a person's sense of perspective, and can do so for years, decades, or even full lifetimes, and there isn't much that anyone else can do about it.

For everyone else, though, enough is farking enough. Enough was farking enough in 2002.

I remember saying something to the effect on the tenth anniversary of the event. His response was somewhere along the lines of "so you want us to forget then?" and I sh*t you not, "should we forget about the holocaust too? Hey this guy thinks we should forget the holocaust!". This was an accomplished heart surgeon, the guy who operated in Bob Uecker, actually. Imagine the derp level when it's your average american.


Any IT tech or auto mechanic can tell you that outside their area of expertise, doctors are some of the stupidest people you'll ever have the misfortune to meet.
 
2013-05-04 11:39:15 AM  

Kevin Martin: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

Considering the budget crunch. I really think we should give the naming rights to the highest bidder. The Kia Theater would put millions of dollars back into the economy.


Booth's Gin would like to bid too.
 
2013-05-04 11:39:18 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: You think they're mad now, wait til they see the gift shop prices.

$19.99 for a FDNY #1 foam finger?


$50 for a crying eagle decorative plate.

I can't imagine any way this could be tastefully done.
 
2013-05-04 11:40:01 AM  
If the museum were free, I'd probably leave a big donation.
As it is, there's no way I'm going. I'm a pretty big asshole, but this type of profiteering disgusts me.
 
2013-05-04 11:40:20 AM  
RIP, Strob.
 
2013-05-04 11:48:42 AM  

Phinn: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

The spy museum.


Awesome suggestions guys. Thanks!
 
2013-05-04 11:50:23 AM  

Cheez_Wit: abhorrent1: They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.

No, but corporate grant money can. I'd think that there would be scads of companies looking for a good way to wrap themselves in the flag and rend their garments out of recreational grief.


We call those 'charitable donations'...Also known as tax breaks.
 
2013-05-04 11:53:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Phinn: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

The spy museum.

Awesome suggestions guys. Thanks!


I recommend Arlington National Cemetery as well.
 
2013-05-04 11:55:11 AM  

jso2897: rga184: Millennium: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

Pearl Harbor comes to mind too, as do a couple of points during the War of 1812. I can think of a few days that didn't even involve acts of war that were nevertheless worse than this one.

It is, of course, difficult to say this to someone who lost a loved one. Trauma is a cruel thing, and one of the worst things about it is the way it takes away a person's sense of perspective, and can do so for years, decades, or even full lifetimes, and there isn't much that anyone else can do about it.

For everyone else, though, enough is farking enough. Enough was farking enough in 2002.

I remember saying something to the effect on the tenth anniversary of the event. His response was somewhere along the lines of "so you want us to forget then?" and I sh*t you not, "should we forget about the holocaust too? Hey this guy thinks we should forget the holocaust!". This was an accomplished heart surgeon, the guy who operated in Bob Uecker, actually. Imagine the derp level when it's your average american.

Any IT tech or auto mechanic can tell you that outside their area of expertise, doctors are some of the stupidest people you'll ever have the misfortune to meet.


I was the anesthesiologist on the case (also a doctor), so I'm getting a kick out of some of your replies.
 
2013-05-04 11:56:25 AM  
The damn thing should have never been built. The memorial should have been turning the area into a park. Someplace with lots of trees were people could have lunch from nearby office buildings and children could play. In the center they could have put up something like the  Vietnam VeteransMemorial, listing the names of the dead.
 
2013-05-04 12:01:48 PM  
The Worst Day In American History?

September 20, 2005 -- The Black Eyed Peas'  "My Humps" is released to a terrified American audience.

Nobody is ever the same again.
 
2013-05-04 12:03:14 PM  
Don't worry folks, VIPs will still get in free.
 
2013-05-04 12:03:30 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-04 12:07:22 PM  

LordJiro: Hobodeluxe: Worst day in American History?

[msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 298x277]

Certainly higher on the list than 9/11, if only because, among the administration's other failures, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, with plenty of warning to boot.

But no, it's still far from the worst day.


I disagree. that's the day the conservative members of the SCOTUS decided to appoint their guy instead of waiting on all the votes to be counted. and then said that it shouldn't be used as a precedent in case it should ever come up again (you know. in case the Dem was in the lead before the dust settled next time)
 
2013-05-04 12:07:40 PM  
Oh, and to make a reservation by phone, it costs an additional two dollars. No mention of the $25 on their website: http://www.911memorial.org/museum
 
2013-05-04 12:08:11 PM  
shiat costs money.  You have to pay for the workers, and the electricity, and everything else.
 
2013-05-04 12:09:02 PM  
"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." -"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 (


Nice company you guys keep.
 
2013-05-04 12:13:06 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: The damn thing should have never been built. The memorial should have been turning the area into a park. Someplace with lots of trees were people could have lunch from nearby office buildings and children could play. In the center they could have put up something like the  Vietnam VeteransMemorial, listing the names of the dead.


Up above, someone pondered about listing names and this sprung to mind.

Seriously, the VVM was so 'controversial' that they needed to add statues nearby, but it's spot on for concept and reflection.

/and free, I believe
 
2013-05-04 12:15:07 PM  

jso2897: (/11 was a terrible thing - and I wish only the best for those who lost people in their lives on that dreadful day.
But - and i apologize for having to say this - it was NOT the worst day in American History. By a long shot.
Or at least, if it turns out to be - it will be OUR fault.


You're right...
talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-05-04 12:21:04 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


Don't miss The White House tour.
 
2013-05-04 12:24:05 PM  
$25 is wallet rape.  they could charge $10 per person and they would still be swimming in money.

/active military should be free
//former military & senior citizen discount

done.
 
2013-05-04 12:28:29 PM  
Bin Laden lit the match.  Bush, Rove and Cheney destroyed America.

Yes, I know we still have a country called America, but it is not the same one we had before 2001.  All the goodwill and respect we had earned for things like curing polio, helping to win WWII, going to the Moon and building the Internet were squandered for nothing.  A significant percentage of the world hates us now, whereas before it was only a fanatical few.  For the rest of humanity, America the Great has become America the OK.  It will take generations of us being really cool again before we restore our reputation.

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Nine eleven.
Nine eleven who?
You said you'd never forget!
 
2013-05-04 12:29:57 PM  

spawn73: EvilEgg: The worst day in American history? I'm not sure about that. Sure, it was pretty bad, but I think a couple of days during the civil war could top it.

How about the day USA invaded Iraq. That's the worst in my book.

9/11 was meh, countries are attacked by terrorists all the time, get over it.


What where you watching?  Cuz I was watching the news, and they had reporters broadcasting live from moving combat vehicles as they sped towards Baghdad... it was farking exciting!
 
2013-05-04 12:30:34 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Pearl Harbor memorial charges an entrance fee. I have no problem paying a fee for maintenance and upgrades, staff, etc. Small price to pay to keep our history alive. I don't think any of it goes directly to victims.
 
2013-05-04 12:31:44 PM  
And NEVER FORGET to stop by the gift ship for a a Twin Tower snow globe for only $9.11!
 
2013-05-04 12:31:51 PM  

jshine: 'Worst day in American history' might be a bit much - recent history maybe... Some of the civil war battles far-eclipse 9/11 in the number of Americans killed & injured.


Only if you count the full wars. If you go by individual attacks, 9/11 dwarfs Pearl Harbor on number of dead (9/11 had 2996, Pearl had 2,402).

As far as them charging, I'm ok with it, although $25 is a bit high. Most museums in my area charge $5 a section, plus $10-25 for special events.
 
2013-05-04 12:32:15 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


I'm sorry, what rights have you been stripped of?
 
2013-05-04 12:34:57 PM  
As far as I know the USS Arizona memorial is free to visit. This should be no different. If anything, they should hand control of this over to the National Parks Service like they do with battlefields and if there's going to be any fee, which there should not, it would only be minimal.
 
2013-05-04 12:38:13 PM  
www.global-air.com

The 9/11 attack on New York made Rudolph Guiliani a very wealthy man. (new window)
 
2013-05-04 12:38:46 PM  
This is different from all the other ways in which people have profited off of 9/11... how, again?
 
2013-05-04 12:42:44 PM  

NeverDrunk23: It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.


As opposed to New Yorkers who don't consider "flyover states" to be part of real america.
 
2013-05-04 12:43:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.
 
2013-05-04 12:45:57 PM  

vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.


I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.
 
2013-05-04 12:51:39 PM  
RedWineBuzz

And NEVER FORGET to stop by the gift ship for a a Twin Tower snow globe for only $9.11!

Where the "snow" represents all that flying office paper!

You're going to be rich, right after you go to hell.
 
2013-05-04 12:54:53 PM  
Worst day? Hardly. Those would both be in 1913 and it's a tie:

December 23, 1913

February 3, 1913
 
2013-05-04 12:58:11 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
...but will this so called museum show how fire melts steel?
 
2013-05-04 12:59:51 PM  

People_are_Idiots: jshine: 'Worst day in American history' might be a bit much - recent history maybe... Some of the civil war battles far-eclipse 9/11 in the number of Americans killed & injured.

Only if you count the full wars. If you go by individual attacks, 9/11 dwarfs Pearl Harbor on number of dead (9/11 had 2996, Pearl had 2,402).

As far as them charging, I'm ok with it, although $25 is a bit high. Most museums in my area charge $5 a section, plus $10-25 for special events.


Can you post the address of the cave you've been living in for the past decade?  I'd like to get you a newspaper subscription.
 
2013-05-04 01:00:25 PM  
Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?
 
2013-05-04 01:00:40 PM  
Thanks for that  too high price. It gives me another reason not to  go to the sniveling racist museum, where you only whine about murdered strangers on  your side of the border.
 
2013-05-04 01:02:10 PM  

Pincy: People_are_Idiots: jshine: 'Worst day in American history' might be a bit much - recent history maybe... Some of the civil war battles far-eclipse 9/11 in the number of Americans killed & injured.

Only if you count the full wars. If you go by individual attacks, 9/11 dwarfs Pearl Harbor on number of dead (9/11 had 2996, Pearl had 2,402).

As far as them charging, I'm ok with it, although $25 is a bit high. Most museums in my area charge $5 a section, plus $10-25 for special events.

Can you post the address of the cave you've been living in for the past decade?  I'd like to get you a newspaper subscription.


Oh christ, sorry, replied to the wrong one.  This was supposed to be in reply to KeelingLovesCornholes.
 
2013-05-04 01:02:47 PM  
The good news is the money isn't going to corporations and making them more corporationey. We will spread the wealth amongst ourselves.
 
2013-05-04 01:05:33 PM  
Why the hell would you want to go anyway? The memorial pools are free and so is the park outside.

I can understand going to the Holocaust Museum in DC for historical purposes, but what the hell are you going to see at the 9/11 museum you haven't seen a million times on TV or the internet?

/Oh look a busted ass piece of steel, we must never forget
 
2013-05-04 01:05:58 PM  
Recently from the Onion
http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-still-hasnt-been-long-enough -t o-open-restau,32035/

/Flight 93 Alarm Chili
//I know it's so wrong, can't help but laugh
 
2013-05-04 01:10:41 PM  

jestme: jbc: It worked for Toby Keith.

and Dick Cheney.



And the people who make tiny US flag pins.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-04 01:13:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


If you like 1800's America and westward expansion the Post Office Museum is actually biatchin. Also, the Udvar Hazey center just next to Dulles Airport, it's where the Air and Space museum put all their planes and stuff that's too big for the museum on the Mall. It is frigin awesome.
 
2013-05-04 01:14:26 PM  

muck4doo: Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?


I expect capitalism, and that's what I got.
 
2013-05-04 01:16:21 PM  

Lunchlady: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

If you like 1800's America and westward expansion the Post Office Museum is actually biatchin. Also, the Udvar Hazey center just next to Dulles Airport, it's where the Air and Space museum put all their planes and stuff that's too big for the museum on the Mall. It is frigin awesome.


The Udvar Hazey Center is on my to-do list too since they now have the Space Shuttle.
 
2013-05-04 01:19:58 PM  
If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.
 
2013-05-04 01:20:05 PM  

vygramul: vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.

I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.


Every time I went to DC, the American Indian one was always closed for renovation. Can't quite figure that one out.

Natural History and American History sounds good. Maybe the Gallery of Art if I have spare time. And the Spy one sounds like a lot of fun regardless of the cost.

Thanks for the tips everyone.

/It's been a few years since I went to DC so that might be why
 
2013-05-04 01:21:26 PM  

mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.


Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?
 
2013-05-04 01:25:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?


I'm thinking plaque on the sidewalk and a statue in Copley or the Common.
 
2013-05-04 01:30:10 PM  

Mrtraveler01: vygramul: vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.

I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.

Every time I went to DC, the American Indian one was always closed for renovation. Can't quite figure that one out.

Natural History and American History sounds good. Maybe the Gallery of Art if I have spare time. And the Spy one sounds like a lot of fun regardless of the cost.

Thanks for the tips everyone.

/It's been a few years since I went to DC so that might be why


National Museum of Health and Medicine in Silver Spring. They have all sorts of cool artifacts including the bullet that killed Lincoln(also IIRC his bloodstained cuffs). I haven't been there since they moved it from the grounds of Walter Reed, but if anything, it sounds like they have made it even geekier.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20120520/NEWS/205200310/Walter-Reed -m edical-museum-reopening-in-Md-
http://www.medicalmuseum.mil/index.cfm

Also, if you're an F.Scott Fitzgerald fan, you can visit his grave(inscribed with the last line of The Great Gatsby) in Rockville, MD(within walking distance of the Rockville metro stop).
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/07/160381786/gatsby-author-fitzgerald-res ts -in-a-d-c-suburb
 
2013-05-04 01:30:47 PM  
Because they are republicans, THE ultimate enemy of the U.S.A.
 
2013-05-04 01:33:54 PM  
I don't need to pay money to relive something I lived through.
 
2013-05-04 01:34:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: vygramul: vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.

I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.

Every time I went to DC, the American Indian one was always closed for renovation. Can't quite figure that one out.

Natural History and American History sounds good. Maybe the Gallery of Art if I have spare time. And the Spy one sounds like a lot of fun regardless of the cost.

Thanks for the tips everyone.

/It's been a few years since I went to DC so that might be why


oh it's open... you just need the right reservation.
 
2013-05-04 01:34:53 PM  

Lunchlady: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

I'm thinking plaque on the sidewalk and a statue in Copley or the Common.


Yeah there's a memorial on Commonwealth Avenue for the Hotel Vendome fire where 9 firefighters died, so I imagine it would be something like that, probably in Copley Square.
http://www.publicartboston.com/content/vendome-fire-memorial
 
2013-05-04 01:37:51 PM  
I more have a problem with the price of museums in general, $25 admission is steep regardless of what's on exhibit.. in my opinion...

I'd only go to museums if general admission is like $10-$20 tops, and that's for incredible art and such, not a depressing tomb of a tragedy
 
2013-05-04 01:40:52 PM  
/
 
2013-05-04 01:42:15 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Mrtraveler01: vygramul: vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.

I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.

Every time I went to DC, the American Indian one was always closed for renovation. Can't quite figure that one out.

Natural History and American History sounds good. Maybe the Gallery of Art if I have spare time. And the Spy one sounds like a lot of fun regardless of the cost.

Thanks for the tips everyone.

/It's been a few years since I went to DC so that might be why

oh it's open... you just need the right reservation.


It's always a little bit of a gamble?
 
2013-05-04 01:44:05 PM  
i1170.photobucket.com


I've seen this truck in the parking lot of my local Walmart.
 
2013-05-04 01:48:57 PM  

Maul555: $25 is wallet rape.  they could charge $10 per person and they would still be swimming in money.

/active military should be free
//former military & senior citizen discount

done.


but then they'd only afford to be able to pay the ticket keeper $260,000 a year.  instead of the $320,000 minimum you need for living in New York
 
2013-05-04 01:53:44 PM  

MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project. And every visitor will help pay back those costs.


_____________________________________________
FTFA: "As a nonprofit organization that relies on the support of the public, not city, state or federal funding for our operations, we are charging an admission fee in line with other comparable institutions," he said.
...
Over the years, the foundation that runs the site has gotten more than $425 million from the state and federal governments, and the Port Authority. It has also raised more than $450 million in private donations.

_____________________________________________

I was right there with you until i saw that little piece. These guys are just grabbing whatever cash they think they can get away with.
 
2013-05-04 02:00:27 PM  

Triumph: Average payout from the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund was $2.08 million, tax free. All they had to do to get the money was agree not to sue anyone. Congress funded it 11 days after the attack. Will the Boston bombing victims get money from Congress too?


I kind of wondered what was happening with compensation for soldiers killed in Iraq and Stan.  So I looked it up.  Ugh.
 
2013-05-04 02:02:32 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I lost a friend in the 9/11 attacks. I find this extremely gauche and I won't be visiting the memorial if I have to pay to give my respects to my lost friend.


According to the article, the memorial itself will be free.  Visiting the attached museum will be $20-$25.

There are many places with a similar system, where parts of it are free and other parts cost money.  Visiting The Alamo is free, but they sell books and other things.  Visiting Pearl Harbor, parts are free, while other parts cost.

There is a large cost to build this, and it will cost millions a year to keep it running, including the cost of more security than most of these type things need.

Either the visitors are going to pay for it, or taxpayers are.  Seems fair for the place to charge in order to pay those expenses.
 
2013-05-04 02:02:58 PM  
"We're still in the process of considering how much, but it will be in the range of $20 to $25," Anthony Guido, a spokesman for the museum said Friday. "It will be a set fee."

If you no-like-a to pay, then shaddap-a-you-mouth.
 
2013-05-04 02:04:59 PM  
The museum is already bankrupt and 2 years behind schedule. What else can they do?
 
2013-05-04 02:12:17 PM  

BalugaJoe: The museum is already bankrupt and 2 years behind schedule. What else can they do?


Why the hell didn't the Smithsonian or the NPS take control of this?

Regardless of the fact they're a government entity, they still get shiat done.
 
2013-05-04 02:13:03 PM  

mikemoto: I go to New York once a year. I wouldn't even go to this place even if it had free admission. Tourists should go to a Broadway show, Yankees game, Mets game (if they are masochists), or Coney Island instead.


This. I'd never go.

Nothing like building a trophy for the asshats who pulled of the attack.
 
2013-05-04 02:14:40 PM  

BalugaJoe: The museum is already bankrupt and 2 years behind schedule. What else can they do?


Fill it in with dirt and throw on some grass seed?
 
2013-05-04 02:19:49 PM  

ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.


Antietam is tons more scary especially at night.
 
2013-05-04 02:19:54 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?


9-11 Inc.

Never let us forget.
 
2013-05-04 02:24:25 PM  

LoneVVolf: MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project. And every visitor will help pay back those costs.

_____________________________________________
FTFA: "As a nonprofit organization that relies on the support of the public, not city, state or federal funding for our operations, we are charging an admission fee in line with other comparable institutions," he said.
...
Over the years, the foundation that runs the site has gotten more than $425 million from the state and federal governments, and the Port Authority. It has also raised more than $450 million in private donations.
_____________________________________________

I was right there with you until i saw that little piece. These guys are just grabbing whatever cash they think they can get away with.

Hmm. That's odd. The Port Authority in Seattle, ostensibly publicly owned, is also run by money-sucking scum. They get millions in state funds to utilize the port for their friends and private interests, while kicking out the actual fishermen who built the thing.
 
2013-05-04 02:26:07 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: "We're still in the process of considering how much, but it will be in the range of $20 to $25," Anthony Guido, a spokesman for the museum said Friday. "It will be a set fee."

If you no-like-a to pay, then shaddap-a-you-mouth.


Thanks! I-a was a-tinking dis!
 
2013-05-04 02:29:06 PM  

The Downfall: [i1170.photobucket.com image 850x637]


I've seen this truck in the parking lot of my local Walmart.


I know that's supposed to mean "Yay Jesus boo Obama!" but my brain keeps reading it as "Obama is Jesus and will save America!"
 
2013-05-04 02:44:38 PM  

Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?


Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.
 
2013-05-04 02:52:24 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.


I won't worry. I don't think they're going to alter the finish line because of this.

But I do think that ultimately a small plaque or something will be placed where the bombing took place. Something small and simple is all that is needed IMHO,

I still think Bolyston Street will still be the busy, crowded, congested street that Bostonians have come to know and love.
 
2013-05-04 02:58:02 PM  
How do the whiners propose the costs of building the museum and its operational costs be covered?  Charging the users seems most appropriate.  Most other alternatives put the cost on folks who are not necessarily using the museum.  The only alternative that puts the cost where it belongs, on the actual users, is voluntary donation for entry but we all know how that will work out.  They would get nowhere near $25/head.  They would be lucky to see $.25/head average.  If the whiny types don't want folks to have to pay I suppose then they should put their money where their mouths are and use their money to pay entry for whatever number of visitors are expected per year.  I wont hold my breath waiting for that to happen though.
 
2013-05-04 03:02:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.

I won't worry. I don't think they're going to alter the finish line because of this.

But I do think that ultimately a small plaque or something will be placed where the bombing took place. Something small and simple is all that is needed IMHO,

I still think Bolyston Street will still be the busy, crowded, congested street that Bostonians have come to know and love.


You and I have a very different definition of "love."
 
2013-05-04 03:08:27 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Phinn: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

The spy museum.

Awesome suggestions guys. Thanks!


Did you go to the Air & Space Museum hangar at Dulles airport? It's worth the drive.
http://airandspace.si.edu/udvarhazy/
 
2013-05-04 03:10:26 PM  

vygramul: vygramul: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

What else are you interested in? The National Gallery of Art is pretty good, depending on the exhibit. So's the Hirschorn. The Museum of Natural History and the museum of American History are good, too. I hear the Spy Museum is great, but it charges admission.

I also hear the Museum of the American Indian is disappointing - its reviews have been decidedly mixed, though it may have gotten better in the four years since I paid attention.


Forget the Museum, go to the cafeteria. Best food in the Smithsonian area by a long shot
http://nmai.si.edu/visit/washington/mitsitam-cafe/
 
2013-05-04 03:11:37 PM  

Lunchlady: Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.

I won't worry. I don't think they're going to alter the finish line because of this.

But I do think that ultimately a small plaque or something will be placed where the bombing took place. Something small and simple is all that is needed IMHO,

I still think Bolyston Street will still be the busy, crowded, congested street that Bostonians have come to know and love.

You and I have a very different definition of "love."


I use the term "love" in a very...broad sense.

Stayed in Boston off of Bolyston Ave not too far from the finish line (Prudential Center) a few years back. It's really not a bad area minus the horrendous traffic.
 
2013-05-04 03:14:51 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts

A copy of The Pet Goat.


Actually, "My Pet Goat" has already been earmarked as the only book that will be in George W. Bush National Library . . .
 
2013-05-04 03:18:43 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: oh it's open... you just need the right reservation.


You magnificent bastard.
 
2013-05-04 03:33:35 PM  
To the outraged people:

FTFA:  Entrance to the memorial itself - which includes the picturesque reflection pools marking the footprints of the twin towers - will continue to be free
 
2013-05-04 03:36:10 PM  

MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.


Did you read it $450 million from state and federal+ $425 million in donations=$875 million, estimated cost to finish $700 million that a surplus of $175 million. I'm not good at math but seems to me its paid for.
 
2013-05-04 03:42:03 PM  

irishk5blazer: MmmmBacon: The construction costs have to be recouped somehow. It isn't like magical faeries came down and built a shrine for 9/11 out of pixie dust and smiles, there were significant costs involved in this project.

And every visitor will help pay back those costs.

Did you read it $450 million from state and federal+ $425 million in donations=$875 million, estimated cost to finish $700 million that a surplus of $175 million. I'm not good at math but seems to me its paid for.


The admission covers the $60m annual operation costs. And only barely at that.
 
2013-05-04 03:45:41 PM  
Pretty farking sure Gettysburg ranks a weeeeeeee bit higher on the 'worst day EVAR' scale. Among others.
 
2013-05-04 03:49:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Lunchlady: Mrtraveler01: OtherLittleGuy: Mrtraveler01: mikewadestr: If this was the Boston Bombing Museum they would be charging people an arm and a leg to get in.

Too soon (I still laughed though).

But that does have me wondering how Boston will memorialize this event. Obviously it won't be as showy as Ground Zero but I imagine it will involve a statue or scupture or something.

What do you guys think?

Go to the Unos right nearby. Yes, it's not the Chicago original, but I grew up loving the chain.

And spend money on the shops and businesses around. Don't turn it into a sacred temple.

I won't worry. I don't think they're going to alter the finish line because of this.

But I do think that ultimately a small plaque or something will be placed where the bombing took place. Something small and simple is all that is needed IMHO,

I still think Bolyston Street will still be the busy, crowded, congested street that Bostonians have come to know and love.

You and I have a very different definition of "love."

I use the term "love" in a very...broad sense.

Stayed in Boston off of Bolyston Ave not too far from the finish line (Prudential Center) a few years back. It's really not a bad area minus the horrendous traffic.


That's where the T helps. And on a very good, not-so-humid day, you can walk from Kenmore up to the Public Gardens and beyond.
 
2013-05-04 03:56:32 PM  
I see your "9/11 was the worst day in American history" and raise you the Galveston hurricane of 1900, which annihilated the city of Galveston and killed at least twice as many people and may have killed 4 times as many.

Call 9/11 "the worst act of terrorism on American soil", but don't you dare try to say it's the worst thing to ever happen to America.
 
2013-05-04 03:58:57 PM  

Gwendolyn: Nabb1: Does the Holocaust museum charge for admission? I went when it first opened,  but I can't remember if there as any charge to get in.

The DC one does not.


When I was in DC last (long ago) the Smithsonian museums were no charge. If they can do how come this one can't?

Though to be fair most of the ones in SF do charge.

/though I do my small part by subscribing to their magazine
//have been a subby for years
///best deal in town for a magazine
 
2013-05-04 04:16:59 PM  

Cataholic: I've been to the memorial and there was no airport style frisky frisky security. It was more in line with your typical metal detector courthouse style security and fairly quick to navigate. It's a beautiful place and well worth the minimal hassle.


This is what I don't get. Granted, it was a terrorist act so now they have to have metal detectors everywhere? I'm assuming they look into all backpacks too. They are a great place to carry my lenses and not a camera bag. One could probably have a decent device in a lens case.

Now we are heading to the point where we need to be "detected" at every event and every amusement park and every whatever. I would hate to think what would happen if someone took a bomb into Walmart. Then every market would require it.

Hey! It was not my idea. I swear.
 
2013-05-04 04:24:05 PM  

Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.


However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?
 
2013-05-04 04:31:49 PM  

panfried: moothemagiccow: what the hell would they put in the museum? that landing gear? a replica plane ticket? box cutters? the memo bush got about bin laden?

cant wait for the 9/11 tshirts

A TSA badge and a copy of the Patriot Act.


And pictures of dead people. You forget the pictures of dead people.
 
2013-05-04 04:44:39 PM  

saturn badger: Cataholic: I've been to the memorial and there was no airport style frisky frisky security. It was more in line with your typical metal detector courthouse style security and fairly quick to navigate. It's a beautiful place and well worth the minimal hassle.

This is what I don't get. Granted, it was a terrorist act so now they have to have metal detectors everywhere? I'm assuming they look into all backpacks too. They are a great place to carry my lenses and not a camera bag. One could probably have a decent device in a lens case.

Now we are heading to the point where we need to be "detected" at every event and every amusement park and every whatever. I would hate to think what would happen if someone took a bomb into Walmart. Then every market would require it.

Hey! It was not my idea. I swear.


I think the ground zero security such as it is at this point is because it's an active construction site, I remember hearing that the plan was to open it up as just any city park once the area around is done being built.
 
2013-05-04 04:48:19 PM  

robertey: Nabb1: FirstNationalBastard: Shouldn't they be more disgusted over how the lives of those 3,000 people have been made to be more important than the 300 million other people in this country, and have been used by politicians for the past 12 years to systematically strip us all of our rights?

That museum would be a buzz kill.

May I recommend a more depressing and more fitting museum?

http://denisbinder.blogspot.com/2010/01/george-orwell-is-getting-mus eu m.html


And no wonder. He was born after he died.

His grave has this simple marker on it "here lies Eric Arthur Blair, born 25 June 2003, died 21 January 1950" - nothing to indicate that this grave in Oxfordshire is the burial site of the great George Orwell.
 
2013-05-04 04:56:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?


Museum of Natural History. Old Executive State House. Natl. Geo Museum. Natl archives. Mt. Vernon to see Washingtons casket. If you can hang with a drive Monticello is pretty cool. Head out to the battlefield of Manassas. I realize they are not all in DC but still cool places to see. The locals can probably be more help but these are places I went to.

Then for the grand finale go sneak onto the CIA base near there. If you can evade capture for two hours you can win a fark survivor badge.
 
2013-05-04 04:58:56 PM  

saturn badger: Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.

However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?


Probably thinking of NY museums such as USS Intrepid($22), MoMa($25), Met($25), Empire State Building($25), etc

Yes, NY is expensive.
 
2013-05-04 05:07:56 PM  

bborchar: Awesome, I wish we didn't have stuff to do this weekend. I don't mind paying extra for special events, I've been to the TN parks because I grew up there, but now I live in PA, so I'm thinking that we might hit the battlefields up here this summer.


I go to CW reenactments. This year with my daughter and her bf. It was interesting how much they didn't know. Both are in JC but got the years wrong and the number of casualties. Off by a long shot. How many killed? Oh, 30k. What year? 1800s. Be more specific. please. 1840s. Place face palm pic here. Either the system failed or they slept through history classes.

Now we need to make a 9/11 reenactment. Would that be cool or what? A bit pricey but they could scale it down a bit like the do the reenactments. That I might pay for.

So we glorify war and mourn when we can't shoot back.

I'm not criticizing you here. By all means go. I just found it a place to toss in the differences of war (killing) and terrorism (killing) when we had no means to take out the perceived enemy in a timely manner.
 
2013-05-04 05:11:34 PM  
Oh no! Not another reason to never ever visit New York City.
 
2013-05-04 05:12:43 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: The damn thing should have never been built. The memorial should have been turning the area into a park. Someplace with lots of trees were people could have lunch from nearby office buildings and children could play. In the center they could have put up something like the  Vietnam VeteransMemorial, listing the names of the dead.


Agree 100%. It is sobering to visit the VN wall.

Now imagine doing it with a VN citizen as I did. Strangely enough it was not awkward. We kind of agreed both sides were really farked up.
 
2013-05-04 05:16:41 PM  

Mega Steve: GungFu: [www.silvercoinstoday.com image 600x432]

You can get a 2-for-1 ticket if you pay with these coins.

What do I get if I buy this baby?

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

/Jesus liked the Towers so much, he carried them off to Heaven, along with everyone in them


Why does Jesus have the Twin Towers on his penis?
 
2013-05-04 05:20:56 PM  
snocone:  USA, where pain and suffering are a franchise for Profit.

THIS^^^
 
2013-05-04 05:26:41 PM  

RedWineBuzz: Recently from the Onion
http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-still-hasnt-been-long-enough -t o-open-restau,32035/

/Flight 93 Alarm Chili
//I know it's so wrong, can't help but laugh


Can we help with the menu?

Falling Fries.
Osama Tea Laden
French Toasted Cheese Sandwich
 
2013-05-04 05:34:12 PM  

count_chimpula: Yeah there's a memorial on Commonwealth Avenue for the Hotel Vendome fire where 9 firefighters died, so I imagine it would be something like that, probably in Copley Square.
http://www.publicartboston.com/content/vendome-fire-memorial


They also have this.

http://www.nehm.org/

Funded by McDonalds. The glass looks like it was sand blasted. It was. With the numbers of all the peope killed.
 
2013-05-04 05:37:31 PM  

Phinn: Evil Mackerel: Mrtraveler01: I've been to the Air and Space Museum and the Holocaust Museum as well as the different memorials and monuments on the Mall. What else should I check out if I ever go back to DC in the future?

The Ford theater.

The spy museum.


Did you see the second air and space museum? Much better than the original in my opinion.
http://airandspace.si.edu/udvarhazy/

Tour the capitol building
White House tour
Arlington cemetery for the Tomb of the Unkown soldier
 
2013-05-04 06:12:40 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-05-04 06:25:37 PM  

bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?

Battle of Gettysburg - 51,000 (National Military Park, 12.50)...
All were more horrific and deadly in America's history, all are cheaper and even free to see, none of them cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create or maintain.


Point of order: the new Gettysburg visitor center cost over $95M. The old one was free, and folks in town are pretty annoyed the new one charges. They did a great job with it though- they restored the Cyclorama to they way it used to be, then added a cool sound and light show to it.
(They're even more annoyed that the center is away from the tourist area of town- it makes fleecing the tourists harder)
 
2013-05-04 06:37:37 PM  

NaziKamikaze: Pretty sure it's the Battle of Antietam, but that doesn't negate their point.


The Day They Renewed Whitney for Another Season.
 
2013-05-04 06:49:33 PM  
The OKC  National Memorial and Museum charges $12.
 
2013-05-04 07:29:35 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.


You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.
 
2013-05-04 08:44:40 PM  
The only way a museum can offer free admission is through financial support from donors and Federal grants. Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the janitors and the security guards and the electric company. It amazes me how Americans demand things be self sufficient yet also expect it to be free. It's like saying "You can make money...just not MY money...I should get in FREE!"
 
2013-05-04 09:34:47 PM  

Mija: You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.


Yep.  Basically what I had stated above.
 
2013-05-04 09:39:54 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: We never shoulda let Giuliani trademark the term.


If Giuliani and GW Bush had to pay $25 for every time they said 9/11, the memorial would have been paid off before Obama was elected to office.
 
2013-05-04 10:06:20 PM  
Can't wait to see the thermite in the museum.
 
2013-05-04 10:17:30 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: jso2897: (/11 was a terrible thing - and I wish only the best for those who lost people in their lives on that dreadful day.
But - and i apologize for having to say this - it was NOT the worst day in American History. By a long shot.
Or at least, if it turns out to be - it will be OUR fault.

You're right...
[talkingpointsmemo.com image 660x452]


Sheesh, who let her out of the house in that dress/uniform? Why didn't they know to tell her that half of America already hates you and thinks your husband is the sentinel of martial law, please don't dress like a sci-fi villain for this occasion.
 
2013-05-04 10:45:07 PM  

abhorrent1: They can charge, or not charge and run it with tax dollars, either way you're paying so take you farking pick. I'd rather they charge since it's not something I'll ever go too. Running a museum or any business costs money. Prayers and good intentions don't pay for shiat.


Let me guess. You're one of those people who feels that childless people shouldn't have to pay taxes to support public schools, people who don't drive cars shouldn't have their taxes used to pay for roads, etc.

The museum should be publicly funded or funded through a charitable organization. People who make $7.25 per hour shouldn't have to cough up $25 to visit the museum.
 
2013-05-04 11:09:01 PM  

muck4doo: Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?


LOL, because God knows, the Tribe shares.
 
2013-05-05 12:30:33 AM  

ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.


this.  12/7/1941, for example
 
2013-05-05 12:45:38 AM  

Apik0r0s: muck4doo: Put Libs in charge, and what do you expect?

LOL, because God knows, the Tribe shares.


Oh, they will be sharing all right, then expect someone else to pay the taxes for it.
 
2013-05-05 03:17:45 AM  

Just_a_Bear: ko_kyi: Very bad day, yes.  Worst day in American History, no. Antietem comes to mind, I'm sure there are many more.

this.  12/7/1941, for example


We'll see. If we manage to dial back the authoritarian surveillance state, maybe. If not, then 9/11 may win in the long run.
 
2013-05-05 08:53:25 AM  

saturn badger: When I was in DC last (long ago) the Smithsonian museums were no charge. If they can do how come this one can't?


Because it's gets most of its revenues from subsidies by the Federal Government (At least I think that's why. Correct me if I'm wrong though)

Which I think it's worth it because they have some of the best museums in the country.

.

saturn badger: Museum of Natural History. Old Executive State House. Natl. Geo Museum. Natl archives. Mt. Vernon to see Washingtons casket. If you can hang with a drive Monticello is pretty cool. Head out to the battlefield of Manassas. I realize they are not all in DC but still cool places to see. The locals can probably be more help but these are places I went to.

Then for the grand finale go sneak onto the CIA base near there. If you can evade capture for two hours you can win a fark survivor badge.


I really need to save this thread. There's been a lot of great tips on here.
 
2013-05-05 01:29:40 PM  
Don't most museums charge an entry fee? Don't wanna pay? Don't go.
 
2013-05-05 01:32:55 PM  
July 3rd, 1863 would like a word regarding 'the worst day in American history'.
 
2013-05-05 02:21:49 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: bborchar: Point02GPA: WorldCitizen: Worst day in American history?  I would imagine there are a few days during the Civil War that would disagree.

Appomattox, 9 April 1865?

Battle of Gettysburg - 51,000 (National Military Park, 12.50)...
All were more horrific and deadly in America's history, all are cheaper and even free to see, none of them cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create or maintain.

Point of order: the new Gettysburg visitor center cost over $95M. The old one was free, and folks in town are pretty annoyed the new one charges. They did a great job with it though- they restored the Cyclorama to they way it used to be, then added a cool sound and light show to it.
(They're even more annoyed that the center is away from the tourist area of town- it makes fleecing the tourists harder)


If you want to go in and pick up a pamphlet for the Auto Tour, that's free, and so is the parking.

And I'm pretty sure there was no "park at the Vistor Center for free while you go in town". Still have to hunt for a spot and feed the meters, although it's free on Sundays, and plenty of spots up the main drag past the Farnsworth.
 
2013-05-05 02:25:29 PM  

The Downfall: [i1170.photobucket.com image 850x637]


I've seen this truck in the parking lot of my local Walmart.


Someone should smear a dog shiat pentagram over it.

Just for the LOLS.
 
2013-05-05 03:00:15 PM  

count_chimpula: saturn badger: Gulper Eel: EkimProx: You have two options: the first is the tax payers pay for the museum - that's not good.

The taxpayers DID pay for it, as per TFA.

I would be very interested to see what the salaries are for the 9/11 Foundation executives.

Surprise, surprise - they're doing nicely for themselves.

However, Bloomberg has long defended the compensation at the memorial and other nonprofits, and his spokesperson said they are in line with similar nonprofits.

What are similar nonprofits? I have not a clue as to who they may be.

Pearl Harbor? VN wall? Arlington? Salvation Army? United Way? FEMA? Fan mail from some flounder?

Probably thinking of NY museums such as USS Intrepid($22), MoMa($25), Met($25), Empire State Building($25), etc

Yes, NY is expensive.


The Met's FREE
 
2013-05-05 03:04:20 PM  

Mija: NeverDrunk23: Dead for Tax Reasons: who the hell would want to go there anyway.  i guess it's a way to get the rubes from times square to go downtown

It will be visited by the Bible Belt who will pay their respects, then go back to not considering New York a part of REAL America.

You have that backwards. Even your comment insults people who aren't New Yorkers. People in the South and the Midwest are generally warm and welcoming to all people. It's Northerners and Californians (I just moved from there) who insult and look down on other Americans and call them fly over states or rednecks. Most of those insulting people have never even been to the South or the Midwest. They just repeat ignorant stereotypes. Grow up.


I live in "The Souf" and people here just don't say anything negative to your face. It's not politeness, it's dishonesty. It's rude as fark. Oh and everyone expects you to read their farking mind. Go to the grocery, stand in front of the milk for half a goddamn hour and see if anyone says anything. Morons.
 
2013-05-05 03:35:17 PM  

moothemagiccow: The Met's FREE


A donation of $25 is "recommended".
 
2013-05-05 07:28:47 PM  

moothemagiccow: Go to the grocery, stand in front of the milk for half a goddamn hour and see if anyone says anything. Morons.


What could you possibly be expecting someone to say to you standing in front of the milk?
 
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