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2013-05-04 03:22:38 AM  

fusillade762: Here guys, I'll save you the trouble (though the draft is only 2 pages long):

[i39.tinypic.com image 471x552]

"Finest quality", "Ground breaking", "Utmost importance"? How does anyone get away with trying to pass a law with such vague-ass language?



Damn good question.
 
2013-05-04 03:23:05 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ucfknightryan: AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.

So who exactly should be funding basic research in your opinion?  The tooth fairy?

If a student is dead set on investigating a topic, then he should pay for the chance to research it. If a school feels that such research is worthwhile, the school ought to provide additional funds to allow the student to see the research to fruition. Those funds can come from tuition, private grants, alumni endowments, partnerships with business, or bake sales, if that's what it takes to raise those funds.

Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.


That is so full of stupid... I dont even... Poes Law?... Troll... Its starting to burn!
 
2013-05-04 03:30:17 AM  

skullkrusher: why would you link to the bill in question if your plan is to dishonestly characterize what it says?


This.  While the bill is preposterous, it doesn't do anything the author of TFA claims.
 
2013-05-04 03:31:15 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.


Yeah, and why even bother investigating, say, bacteria that don't cause human diseases? Especially if the petri dishes get contaminated with mold when you're away on vacation,
 
2013-05-04 03:34:29 AM  
Constitutionally tricky.  While the 1st Amendment says no, accepting federal money opens the door to all kinds of government interference.  In the long run, I would hope the Supreme Court says, "oh hellz no!"
 
2013-05-04 03:35:40 AM  
I'm pretty sure this means I can submit a grant request for $50,000,000 to determine if "The Yellow Rose of Texas" is objectively the greatest song ever written and have a giant box labeled "Wad o' Cash From Gub'mint" on my porch no later than Tuesday.
 
2013-05-04 03:37:39 AM  

OgreMagi: Constitutionally tricky.  While the 1st Amendment says no, accepting federal money opens the door to all kinds of government interference.  In the long run, I would hope the Supreme Court says, "oh hellz no!"


It violates the establishment clause beacause science is a religion.

/derrrr
 
2013-05-04 03:47:34 AM  

Mithiwithi: AverageAmericanGuy: Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.

Yeah, and why even bother investigating, say, bacteria that don't cause human diseases? Especially if the petri dishes get contaminated with mold when you're away on vacation,


The government was frantically looking for a solution to the polio problem. Salk was being funded out of a pointed government effort to find a vaccine. That he discovered it accidentally is a bit of serendipity, but it wasn't because he was blindly funded to study the construction of handicraft ovum holders in aqueous solutions.
 
2013-05-04 03:51:14 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: Why is this farkstick in charge of anything having to do with science?


Same reason that wench in New Hampshire who thinks she can tell how someone whose legs have just been blown off should be reacting: He was elected to office by the people of his state, and placed on a committee by people just like him.
 
2013-05-04 03:57:58 AM  

fusillade762: Here guys, I'll save you the trouble (though the draft is only 2 pages long):

[i39.tinypic.com image 471x552]

"Finest quality", "Ground breaking", "Utmost importance"? How does anyone get away with trying to pass a law with such vague-ass language?


I fear it may be code.

"Finest quality" = "intelligently designed"
"Ground breaking" = "fits with the latest rebranding"
"Utmost importance" = "high potential for kickbacks"
 
2013-05-04 04:28:38 AM  
In Soviet Texas, Alamo remembers you!
 
2013-05-04 04:44:15 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mithiwithi: AverageAmericanGuy: Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.

Yeah, and why even bother investigating, say, bacteria that don't cause human diseases? Especially if the petri dishes get contaminated with mold when you're away on vacation,

The government was frantically looking for a solution to the polio problem. Salk was being funded out of a pointed government effort to find a vaccine. That he discovered it accidentally is a bit of serendipity, but it wasn't because he was blindly funded to study the construction of handicraft ovum holders in aqueous solutions.


dude you are confusing polio with antibiotics.
 
2013-05-04 04:49:26 AM  
Wow, Texas.  Just wow. Your elected representatives suck.
 
2013-05-04 05:09:40 AM  

LordJiro: AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.

After all, the only things we need as a society are things that CEOs can profit off of, right? Or will corporations sink money into research with no immediately-obvious profit potential?


Apparently he sees no irony at all in posting this comment on the internet.
 
2013-05-04 05:21:56 AM  
Thanks to Texas gerrymandering and splitting Austin up into 6 different districts, this asshat is my representative. I went from one of the most liberal house members (Lloyd Doggett) to the most derpiest without ever changing addresses back in 2010.

But all my letter writing and calling won't make a difference, since thanks to gerrymandering, the rest of his district will vote for him as long as he doesn't insult the Jesus. Our system is so farked up.
 
2013-05-04 05:23:41 AM  
Whatever.

Mods? Please delete this thread.

It is the single most stupid thing we've been forced to comment on..

Just for the record: f*ck this right wing Navy Bullshiat. I hope none of you are that eager to get on the ignore list.
 
2013-05-04 05:26:21 AM  

whidbey: It is the single most stupid thing we've been forced to comment on..


LOLWUT?
 
2013-05-04 05:30:55 AM  

Apos: This was expected when the noted anti-science Texan was appointed to the Congressional Committee on Science, Space and Technology

Damn terrifying that this jackass has this much political clout.


It's not 'clout', it's what passes for strategy in the modern GOP:
Step 1: Decry 'wasteful' spending (FDA, EPA, Planned Parenthood, Science Committees, etc.)
Step 2: Appoint people with a vested interest in seeing these agencies/committees fail, to run them
Step 3: When the agencies start failing, point at them and say "SEE! WASTEFUL AND USELESS PORK!"
Step 4: Gut program, Profit
Step 5: We all win! (No wait, the other thing...)
 
2013-05-04 05:33:46 AM  

fusillade762: SOPA writer Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) fresh off not knowing how the internet works, writes a bill not knowing how science works either and removing peer-review from NSF grant requirements


That was one of my better headlines, but seriously, fark Lamar Smith and fark all the blind, reasonless republicans.
 
2013-05-04 05:49:09 AM  
stupid headline is still stupid, and subby makes the point of ignorance just as much as those who green lit it.
 
2013-05-04 06:40:06 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Too late.  I dont think anyone sees America as having scientific or political integrity any more.


This pisses me off. We were once a nation that held a dead man's promise to go the moon by the decade's end.

And we did it. Math and science were sexy. Great minds were given carte blanche to do what they do. It was an era when "American exceptionalism" actually existed beyond our proclivity for producing a war machine. You didn't fark with America in, I dunno, 1969.

These days we are a joke, and seem to take pride in it.
 
2013-05-04 06:42:12 AM  

dickfreckle: Benevolent Misanthrope: Too late.  I dont think anyone sees America as having scientific or political integrity any more.

This pisses me off. We were once a nation that held a dead man's promise to go the moon by the decade's end.

And we did it. Math and science were sexy. Great minds were given carte blanche to do what they do. It was an era when "American exceptionalism" actually existed beyond our proclivity for producing a war machine. You didn't fark with America in, I dunno, 1969.

These days we are a joke, and seem to take pride in it.


Amen:

www.addictinginfo.org
 
2013-05-04 06:49:15 AM  

dickfreckle: You didn't fark with America in, I dunno, 1969.


Yes, I know that plenty of guerrillas farked with us in 1969. I just meant that at the time America was something to have pride in. Dude, a man walked on the moon to spite the Soviets. These days we seem to eschew science and tech.
 
2013-05-04 07:48:52 AM  
So the author went with Thomas Dolby instead of Falco?  What has happened to our 80s pop culture educationz?
 
2013-05-04 07:56:27 AM  

skullkrusher: fusillade762: skullkrusher: brichter: When future historians are autopsying the corpse of the american empire, I think this kind of thing is going to be very interesting.

People blindly accepting claims that an article makes without actually reading what it refers to?

There was a link to the draft bill. Here, read it yourself.

yeah, that's the point. I read the bill. The author clearly did not


It doesn't matter whether the author read it or not, he achieved his goal.  He has a certain portion of the internet convinced that his headline is true (including about 95% of FARK).
 
2013-05-04 07:58:38 AM  

fusillade762: Apos: Is this a repeat or some fresh bullshiat from Lamar?

Wondering that myself.

*checks*

Ah, the last one was an attempt to strip the peer-review requirement for federally funded research.

SOPA writer Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) fresh off not knowing how the internet works, writes a bill not knowing how science works either and removing peer-review from NSF grant requirements

So not really "fresh" as much as "re-heated".


I was going to go with a continuation, maybe even a 'doubling down of derp'

Either way, this guys an idiot, and those that voted for him are even worse.
 
2013-05-04 08:03:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mithiwithi: AverageAmericanGuy: Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.

Yeah, and why even bother investigating, say, bacteria that don't cause human diseases? Especially if the petri dishes get contaminated with mold when you're away on vacation,

The government was frantically looking for a solution to the polio problem. Salk was being funded out of a pointed government effort to find a vaccine. That he discovered it accidentally is a bit of serendipity, but it wasn't because he was blindly funded to study the construction of handicraft ovum holders in aqueous solutions.


Hey, Asshole!  You are posting on forum that exists solely because the Government invested in a project that was run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)--bolding the part about research should give you a clue.

You are healthy enough to post solely because of Government research into vaccines, food stuff, and other medical "miracles" that did not exist 100 years ago.

I could go on, but just suffice it to say that hopefully in the near future, Government research will eliminate the stupidity that you and your ilk seem to suffer from, so that future Farkers do not have to experience the discomfort, nausea and disgust that comes from reading your poorly thought-out and just plain ignorant remarks.
 
2013-05-04 08:06:51 AM  
The only thing that's sad here is that there an awful lot of dumbfarks in this thread who couldn't be bothered to take the minute required to open and read the three page bill to see it says nothing of the sort... it's just a plan to annoy the director of the NSF with inane and pointless questions from empty-headed dickcheeses like Smith.

ITT: cataholic and skullkrusher are the smart ones... wtf....
 
2013-05-04 08:09:56 AM  
He's qualified to do this because he once took a course in POLITICAL science.
 
2013-05-04 08:12:22 AM  

LordJiro: It's funny how much Republicans mirror Communists. They have their own huge propaganda network in Fox News and co., Presidents and presidential candidates who make the Party look bad are basically ignored, other Presidents are elevated to near-legendary status, they attempt to force their political system onto other nations because it's CLEARLY the best....

Like I said, funny.


You're confusing communism with dictatorship.
 
2013-05-04 08:15:15 AM  
This website sucks on mobile, much as Lamar Smith does, but at least I don't have to scroll so much to see Smith's derp.
 
2013-05-04 08:16:07 AM  

fusillade762: Ah, the last one was an attempt to strip the peer-review requirement for federally funded research.

SOPA writer Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) fresh off not knowing how the internet works, writes a bill not knowing how science works either and removing peer-review from NSF grant requirements

So not really "fresh" as much as "re-heated".


More like he had all this leftover bad legislation that nobody wanted, so he chopped it up and stuck it in a crust. Now he's trying to serve it up as if it's more appetizing.

So, not so much "reheated" as "retarted."
 
2013-05-04 08:17:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ucfknightryan: AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.

So who exactly should be funding basic research in your opinion?  The tooth fairy?

If a student is dead set on investigating a topic, then he should pay for the chance to research it. If a school feels that such research is worthwhile, the school ought to provide additional funds to allow the student to see the research to fruition. Those funds can come from tuition, private grants, alumni endowments, partnerships with business, or bake sales, if that's what it takes to raise those funds.

Demanding that the entire nation pay up so some 23 year old can study the mating habits of high school graduates in a high-pressure academic environment is worse than demanding that we all pay up for socialized medicine. At least we all benefit from socialized medicine.


I get the feeling someone is going to want to screenshot that and save it for later.
 
2013-05-04 08:17:39 AM  

skullkrusher: why would you link to the bill in question if your plan is to dishonestly characterize what it says?


I noticed this in the fw:fw:fw emails I was receiving. It would link to or reference a source that contradicted the "point" that the email was making.

Funny, I stopped getting those emails when I pointed that out.
 
2013-05-04 08:22:20 AM  

Mentat: Hey, remember a few threads ago when I accused Smith of wanting to put zampolits in charge of the NSF?  And remember those folks who told us we were overreacting and that Smith's requests were perfectly reasonable?  Fark all of you.


Cite, please?

/it sounds like it was an energetic thread
 
2013-05-04 08:25:10 AM  

LordJiro: It's funny how much Republicans mirror Communists. They have their own huge propaganda network in Fox News and co., Presidents and presidential candidates who make the Party look bad are basically ignored, other Presidents are elevated to near-legendary status, they attempt to force their political system onto other nations because it's CLEARLY the best....

Like I said, funny.


I tried to click the Smart tag twice but it just un-clicked it so technically I clicked on it three times but it only registered once.
 
2013-05-04 08:29:56 AM  

Mentat: Hey, remember a few threads ago when I accused Smith of wanting to put zampolits in charge of the NSF?  And remember those folks who told us we were overreacting and that Smith's requests were perfectly reasonable?  Fark all of you.


This that these and those.
 
2013-05-04 08:35:17 AM  
At first I just skimmed the headline and thought this was actually happening in Russia and I was like "Those crazy Russians."

Then I read more closely and I facepalmed so hard I think I gave myself a concussion.
 
2013-05-04 08:53:04 AM  
The bill says research should not duplicate other research.

I guess Lamar Smith (CCCP-TX) has never heard of replication and independent verification.  If anything there should be more duplication than there currently is.
 
2013-05-04 08:56:03 AM  

starsrift: LordJiro: It's funny how much Republicans mirror Communists. They have their own huge propaganda network in Fox News and co., Presidents and presidential candidates who make the Party look bad are basically ignored, other Presidents are elevated to near-legendary status, they attempt to force their political system onto other nations because it's CLEARLY the best....

Like I said, funny.

You're confusing communism with dictatorship.


No, I'm not. I'm using Communists as an example because many Republicans seem to still be stuck in the Cold War, and thus, pointing out their similarities to the governments of the Soviets, China, North Korea and so on provides more schadenfreude.
 
2013-05-04 08:57:28 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm pretty sure this means I can submit a grant request for $50,000,000 to determine if "The Yellow Rose of Texas" is objectively the greatest song ever written and have a giant box labeled "Wad o' Cash From Gub'mint" on my porch no later than Tuesday.


You are questioning the awesomeness of 'The Yellow Rose of Texas'?  How dare you, with a research premise like that, there is no way you would get funding.

Now, if you wanted to do the same study on say, the acapella version, the polka version, or the gospel hymn version, then you get the cash in  heartbeat
 
2013-05-04 09:01:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.


Quit using electronics, then.
 
2013-05-04 09:08:07 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.

Quit using electronics, then.


Also, don't eat any farmed food.
 
2013-05-04 09:10:09 AM  
What "small gubbmint" means in practice:

1. Determining what science is, and is not (actual science is "religion", and vice versa)
2. Determining what proper sexual and marital relationships are
3. Snooping into every tiny detail of your life because TERROR
4. Cutting taxes and kicking off wars while fulminating about deficits
5. Building tanks that are not needed, as stated repeatedly by the Pentagon, while at the very same time fulminating against "stimulus through government spending" on things like bridges on the point of collapse
6. Defining rape as a crime committed by a woman against a man when she wants to murder his baby after having had totally consensual sex, cause otherwise she wouldn't be pregnant
7. Apologizing to international oil companies when their rigs blow up and spill millions of gallons of oil
8. Thundering condemnation against disaster relief until it's needed in your own state
9. Ensuring that you can easily buy a gun with no background check or registration whatsoever
10. Undermining, underfunding, and packing with hacks those parts of government that your constituents support (EPA) but your corporate funders hate, and then condemning the ineptitude of what you have sabotaged.
11.  Complaining about religious persecution (against Christians) while demanding religious persecution of Muslims.
 
2013-05-04 09:16:28 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Congressman Lamar Smith is a leading example as to the disconnect within the Republican Party and reality. His "improvement" would compromise scientific research, and dismantle what little America has left for integrity.

Too late.  I dont think anyone sees America as having scientific or political integrity any more.


Yeah, it's sad.  When we elected the Teabaggers to the House in 2010, we pretty much told the world, "We give up on doing big and ground-breaking things that help mankind."
 
2013-05-04 09:22:32 AM  
Republicans treat committee members like ideological suicide bombers.  They slip into position and then detonate their payload for maximum effect.
 
2013-05-04 09:23:15 AM  

Mrtraveler01: dickfreckle: Benevolent Misanthrope: Too late.  I dont think anyone sees America as having scientific or political integrity any more.

This pisses me off. We were once a nation that held a dead man's promise to go the moon by the decade's end.

And we did it. Math and science were sexy. Great minds were given carte blanche to do what they do. It was an era when "American exceptionalism" actually existed beyond our proclivity for producing a war machine. You didn't fark with America in, I dunno, 1969.

These days we are a joke, and seem to take pride in it.

Amen:

[www.addictinginfo.org image 525x700]


1.  True
2.  True
3.  Nothing unreal exists
4.  False
5.  Plants, and occasionally each other
6.  See answer #3
7.  True
 
2013-05-04 09:24:30 AM  

tankjr: ScaryBottles: AverageAmericanGuy: The government shouldn't be in the business of funding research anyway.

This is such an obviously idiotic statement I don't even have to make a joke about your impressive stupidity. Thanks a lot jerk!

You done bit on one of our more infamous trolls.

/Welcome to Fark.


He finally earned his place on my Twitlist.  Took him a while, but dedication and effort got him there.

/I need to go put the same dedication and effort into finishing this gorram thesis
//If it wasn't got 11th hour miracles, I'd have no grad school career at all
 
2013-05-04 09:24:31 AM  
"Health"? This isn't the NIH, dumbass.
 
2013-05-04 09:30:47 AM  
I hear they determine quality by shredding the research, and putting it into a large vile with some liquid in it. If the mixture turns red, they drink it and become science. If it turns blue: Socialism. Pour it out.
 
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