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(Smithsonian Magazine)   NY artist now reverse engineering facial features from DNA found in discarded gum and cigarette butts. This will end well   (blogs.smithsonianmag.com) divider line 46
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2013-05-03 08:31:03 PM
"Wow, only 9% of New Yorkers are space aliens. I thought there would be more."
 
2013-05-03 08:38:22 PM
I am also an artist. My medium? Masturbation.
 
2013-05-03 08:39:58 PM
If I was a nerd going through an arts program long enough to get a PHD I'd probably be pretty nutty too.  Especially focusing on Electronic Arts...god what a vile topic.

/its a neat concept but I didn't see anything about 'accuracy' in there, seems to be riding on her imagination
 
2013-05-03 08:40:36 PM

WhippingBoy: I am also an artist. My medium? Masturbation.


Well, you and she should do a "joint" project.
Yeah - I got a million of 'em.
 
2013-05-03 08:43:23 PM
DNA does not work that way!
 
2013-05-03 08:45:48 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: DNA does not work that way!


Yet.
 
2013-05-03 08:46:46 PM
 
2013-05-03 08:49:42 PM
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2013-05-03 08:53:06 PM

red5ish: [img534.imageshack.us image 585x529]


I would do all of them. At the same time.
 
2013-05-03 09:01:20 PM
I'll give her some of my DNA.
 
2013-05-03 09:18:27 PM

red5ish: [img534.imageshack.us image 585x529]


Mexican and Indian girl is stunningly beautiful.

The Samoan girl is about 400 pounds too thin and she should have 40 of her relatives behind her in the background.
 
2013-05-03 09:19:03 PM
Neat. pretty soon we'll be taking semen samples of rape victims and putting their images on the news.
 
2013-05-03 09:29:27 PM

Jaws_Victim: Neat. pretty soon we'll be taking semen samples of rape victims and putting their images on the news.


Wat?
 
2013-05-03 09:30:01 PM
There is, of course, no way of knowing how accurate Dewey-Hagborg's sculptures are-since the samples are from anonymous individuals, a direct comparison cannot be made.

Maybe she should take samples from volunteers (without seeing them, of course) and find out how accurate her portraits are?
 
2013-05-03 09:44:37 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: DNA does not work that way!


Great, so the litterers' genetic code is unemployed, too.

/in "Media"
//does that even still work in nyc?
 
2013-05-03 09:53:58 PM
Pfffft....

I cloned a sex slave from a wad of tissue I found in a men's room.
 
2013-05-03 09:57:25 PM
Dewey-Hagborg's odd habit has a larger purpose. The 30-year-old PhD student, studying electronic arts at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York, extracts DNA from each piece of evidence she collects and enters this data into a computer program, which churns out a model of the face of the person who left the hair, fingernail, cigarette or gum behind.


The proper way to say this out loud involves slowing down and making air quotes with your fingers when you read the underlined section. Rolling your eyes would be acceptable as well.
 
2013-05-03 10:14:50 PM
Does the DNA not contain information about the tops of their heads?

/wow this is pure bullshiat, isn't it?
 
2013-05-03 10:18:54 PM
FTA: There is, of course, no way of knowing how accurate Dewey-Hagborg's sculptures are-since the samples are from anonymous individuals, a direct comparison cannot be made.

Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.
 
2013-05-03 10:36:07 PM
Likes watermelon Hubba-Bubba:

marvellegends.net
 
2013-05-03 10:46:34 PM
people like her are why other people hate hyphenated names
 
2013-05-03 10:58:59 PM
"She sends the mitochondrial DNA to a lab to get sequenced, and the lab returns about 400 base pair sequences of guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine (G, A, T and C)."

400 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA?  That seems like enough to get a good representation.
 
2013-05-03 11:31:09 PM

Yes please: "She sends the mitochondrial DNA to a lab to get sequenced, and the lab returns about 400 base pair sequences of guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine (G, A, T and C)."

400 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA?  That seems like enough to get a good representation.


Yes, of what their mothers looked like.
 
2013-05-03 11:31:09 PM

MrEricSir: FTA: There is, of course, no way of knowing how accurate Dewey-Hagborg's sculptures are-since the samples are from anonymous individuals, a direct comparison cannot be made.

Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.


All that would prove is that she's full of crap and these are random sculptures.
 
2013-05-03 11:32:04 PM
Hardly going to predict what the person looked like.  FTFA:

From this sequence, Dewey-Hagborg gathers information about the person's ancestry, gender, eye color, propensity to be overweight and other traits related to facial morphology, such as the space between one's eyes. "I have a list of about 40 or 50 different traits that I have either successfully analyzed or I am in the process of working on right now," she says.

 So really broad characteristics. Not the shape of the face or nose or anything like that.
 
2013-05-04 12:01:12 AM

Yes please: "She sends the mitochondrial DNA to a lab to get sequenced, and the lab returns about 400 base pair sequences of guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine (G, A, T and C)."

400 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA?  That seems like enough to get a good representation.


Sarcasm, right?  Because assuming that she can pinpoint a start codon to get a frame set, and assuming that she managed to miss the non-coding areas, she could get a sequence of only 133 amino acids out of those 400 base pairs.  That's not much at all...  Certainly not enough to get multiple traits.
 
2013-05-04 12:01:57 AM

KrispyKritter: people like her are why other people hate hyphenated names


I thought it was because of serial killers and assassins?
 
2013-05-04 12:03:06 AM

fusillade762: KrispyKritter: people like her are why other people hate hyphenated names

I thought it was because of serial killers and assassins?


Ack, never mind. Still groggy from my nap.
 
2013-05-04 12:33:40 AM
FTFA:the artist took a crash course in molecular biology at Genspace, a do-it-yourself biology lab in Brooklyn

There are do-it-yourself bio labs out there ? People have enough problem with DIY projects for their houses. I don't think I want these kinds of people messing around with biology. Seriously, this is probably how the zombie virus will get to us.
 
2013-05-04 02:05:32 AM
Old news is decrepit.
 
2013-05-04 02:20:30 AM

red5ish: [img534.imageshack.us image 585x529]


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Clean them all up and bring them to my quarters.
 
2013-05-04 04:36:01 AM

red5ish:


I can totally see the French/Spaniard facial features in my own. Where is the Native American?
 
2013-05-04 05:53:47 AM

MrEricSir: Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.


Or you could have read to the part about her doing a self-portrait.
 
2013-05-04 07:38:35 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MrEricSir: Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.

Or you could have read to the part about her doing a self-portrait.


I thought the self-portrait looked like a different person. The chins don't match, the eyes are set differently, etc.
 
2013-05-04 08:20:46 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MrEricSir: Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.

Or you could have read to the part about her doing a self-portrait.


Yeah, the caption under one of too many pics in this Daily Mail-style article.

blogs.smithsonianmag.com
 
2013-05-04 08:58:15 AM
You all joke, but this is how we finally find DB Cooper
 
2013-05-04 09:30:09 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: Yes please: "She sends the mitochondrial DNA to a lab to get sequenced, and the lab returns about 400 base pair sequences of guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine (G, A, T and C)."

400 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA?  That seems like enough to get a good representation.

Sarcasm, right?  Because assuming that she can pinpoint a start codon to get a frame set, and assuming that she managed to miss the non-coding areas, she could get a sequence of only 133 amino acids out of those 400 base pairs.  That's not much at all...  Certainly not enough to get multiple traits.


Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that sounds like 400 sequences with an indeterminate number of bp each. It's still way too small, but if you got like, a really cheap SNP chip you could make a few inferences. Not any of the ones she's made, but a few.
 
2013-05-04 09:35:29 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MrEricSir: Gee, if only there was a way to test this process against someone you already knew.

Or you could have read to the part about her doing a self-portrait.


Yeah, that's hardly a blinded study.  I ccould give you a detailed description of myself based on the gas in my gas tank.
 
2013-05-04 10:48:02 AM

Kinek: ThatGuyOverThere: Yes please: "She sends the mitochondrial DNA to a lab to get sequenced, and the lab returns about 400 base pair sequences of guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine (G, A, T and C)."

400 base pairs of mitochondrial DNA?  That seems like enough to get a good representation.

Sarcasm, right?  Because assuming that she can pinpoint a start codon to get a frame set, and assuming that she managed to miss the non-coding areas, she could get a sequence of only 133 amino acids out of those 400 base pairs.  That's not much at all...  Certainly not enough to get multiple traits.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that sounds like 400 sequences with an indeterminate number of bp each. It's still way too small, but if you got like, a really cheap SNP chip you could make a few inferences. Not any of the ones she's made, but a few.


Clearly, hyphens are needed.  This is what comes of letting a non-scientist who lacks sufficient training in journalism journal science - or at least one artist's notion of science.
 
2013-05-04 02:06:21 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: All that would prove is that she's full of crap and these are random sculptures.


Exactly what I said last time--she had a surplus of movie props and a deadline to meet.
 
2013-05-04 06:45:08 PM
she sure doesnt look 30 to me.
 
2013-05-04 07:01:57 PM

Summoner101: You all joke, but this is how we finally find DB Cooper


You know, why ARENT we doing this? I mean, the only facial composites you hear about are the ones built from eyewitness statements. If this technology is inherently cheap enough to use for art, why aren't we using it for forensic identification?

//or, is it being used currently quietly?
 
2013-05-04 09:19:53 PM

red5ish: [img534.imageshack.us image 585x529]


Next stop, Greece.
 
2013-05-04 11:41:06 PM

Somaticasual: Summoner101: You all joke, but this is how we finally find DB Cooper

You know, why ARENT we doing this? I mean, the only facial composites you hear about are the ones built from eyewitness statements. If this technology is inherently cheap enough to use for art, why aren't we using it for forensic identification?

//or, is it being used currently quietly?


This isn't accurate, it's just in the neighborhood.
 
2013-05-04 11:46:24 PM

Kinek: Somaticasual: Summoner101: You all joke, but this is how we finally find DB Cooper

You know, why ARENT we doing this? I mean, the only facial composites you hear about are the ones built from eyewitness statements. If this technology is inherently cheap enough to use for art, why aren't we using it for forensic identification?

//or, is it being used currently quietly?

This isn't accurate, it's just in the neighborhood.


Ahh. Was wondering if that came into play, thanks.
 
2013-05-05 05:20:36 AM

KrispyKritter: people like her are why other people hate hyphenated names



Everyone already hates hyphenated names, because they are a PITA.
 
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