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2013-05-03 09:39:16 PM  

red5ish: I predict the zither will become the backbone of the next musical revolution.
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Wrong.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-03 09:40:37 PM  

xanadian: It's over. You got here just in time for the death rattle, the last gasp, the last grope.

/obscure?


Nah, HBO has been showing that 5 times a week for the last 3 years.
 
2013-05-03 09:41:27 PM  
I listen to AltNation on SiriusXM, also XMU and it really seems that a lot of "alternative rock" is getting mixed with a lot of electronica and even pop. I find it amusing that Foster the People is considered alternative.

Satellite radio is still perplexing to me. Channels that play, for example, older Ben Folds Five, but have never played anything off the new CD. An artist like Amanda Palmer and the GTO isn't played anywhere, even though you'd think they'd be seriously alternative and definitely something to be played on the XMU channel.
 
2013-05-03 09:45:35 PM  
Short answer: no.

Long answer, it goes in cycles, it'll be back, it always comes back.
 
2013-05-03 09:48:54 PM  

TommyymmoT: red5ish: I predict the zither will become the backbone of the next musical revolution.
[img838.imageshack.us image 600x596]

Wrong.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 340x309]


imageshack.us
I thought I'd never get to use this again.
 
2013-05-03 09:49:20 PM  
Yes, guitar rock is dying.  Why, I can't find a single guitar rock album in the "Top 40" list on Rolling Stone.

Then again, I can't find anything there worth listening to at all.  I haven't turned on a radio station in 5 years- there's nothing there worth listening to either.

But I have the Internet, and I find new bands every single freaking day.  I'm listening to a Polish progressive metal band right now for the first time (Animations) and they blow the doors off of anything I've heard lately.  There are amazing musicians in every genre you would care to hear available whenever you want.  You don't need to listen to RS, or Village Voice, or anyone at all, and so long as there are people picking up the instrument it's not going anywhere

/Yeah, I like prog.  Bite me
 
2013-05-03 09:49:21 PM  
Yo La Tengo
Tame Impala
Unknown Mortal Orchestra
Stephen Malkmus
et. al...

Don't these articles pop up every other year or so?
 
2013-05-03 09:53:07 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Then again, I can't find anything there worth listening to at all.


I've been listening to a lot of soukous music. The guitarists are impressive.
 
2013-05-03 09:57:32 PM  

xanadian: It's over. You got here just in time for the death rattle, the last gasp, the last grope.

/obscure?


Almost have it, just on the tip of my tongue, Forget it And Maybe OUr fellow farkerS will chime in.
 
2013-05-03 09:59:05 PM  
When I think of "guitar rock" I think of really terrible bands like Pearl Jam, STP, Nickelback and that whole crop of terrible pop groups from the late 90s like Seven Mary Three or that band that did that Cumbersome song.

So no, I don't think bland guitar-driven "rock" is going away any time soon as long as there are ball caps to rock backwards, lite beer to chug and WOOOOOOS to WOOOOOOOO!

Conversely, I think that bands have gotten better at writing music that uses guitars. So it's an even tradeoff- the pendulum of ROCK! swings back and forth. That's what rock pendulums do.
 
2013-05-03 09:59:35 PM  
It depends on what you are doing with the guitar.
 
2013-05-03 10:01:18 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Yes, guitar rock is dying.  Why, I can't find a single guitar rock album in the "Top 40" list on Rolling Stone.

Then again, I can't find anything there worth listening to at all.  I haven't turned on a radio station in 5 years- there's nothing there worth listening to either.

But I have the Internet, and I find new bands every single freaking day.  I'm listening to a Polish progressive metal band right now for the first time (Animations) and they blow the doors off of anything I've heard lately.  There are amazing musicians in every genre you would care to hear available whenever you want.  You don't need to listen to RS, or Village Voice, or anyone at all, and so long as there are people picking up the instrument it's not going anywhere

/Yeah, I like prog.  Bite me



Interesting. I can't wait to get home and listen to this. I love Riverside and Lunatic Soul. If this compares in any way, I'll be happy.

Listening to Agalloch right now (Into the Painted Gray).
 
2013-05-03 10:06:31 PM  
Btw:
Wooden Shjips
Moon Duo
Alcest
Black Rebel Motocycle Club
Dead Meadow
Katatonia
Opeth
Leprous
My Dying Bride
OSI
Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson / Blackfield
The Sword
Riverside
......all guitar-driven and (for the most part) accessible to most listeners
 
2013-05-03 10:08:53 PM  
as much as i love chuck berry he really did kill the piano and saxophone in rock and roll
 
2013-05-03 10:10:24 PM  

EdenLiesObscured: Interesting. I can't wait to get home and listen to this. I love Riverside and Lunatic Soul. If this compares in any way, I'll be happy.

Listening to Agalloch right now (Into the Painted Gray).


Personally, they sound a lot like Liquid Tension Experiment to me.

/Off to practice guitar and listen to some more soukous music.  (Didn't even know the genre before 20 minutes ago and it's a great change of pace)
 
2013-05-03 10:12:57 PM  

Dutch Pilsner: Don't these articles pop up every other year or so?


This x 100.

Shows I've seen lately or am seeing soon:

Tame Impala
Mudhoney
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Black Angels
Black Moth Super Rainbow
Bad Brains
Yo La Tengo (maybe)

Only one of these falls into the "not guitar rock" category.

Boring lazy journalism. Just how much attention did Slayer get yesterday?  Anyone?  Bueller?
 
2013-05-03 10:14:28 PM  
By the way, Ty Segall (aka Busiest Man in Rock and Roll) has another new band called Fuzz that, if the two singles are any proof, will have an album out soon that will melt everyone's faces off.  He is awesome.
 
2013-05-03 10:15:19 PM  
Good.
 
2013-05-03 10:17:35 PM  
Americana is picking up pretty well in the south east. People around here are starting to refocus on local rock. Good stuff, not quite the same as the 80s-90s guitar solo stuff, but definitely still guitar rock.

/Muscle Shoals
 
2013-05-03 10:20:08 PM  

Solid State Vittles: Dutch Pilsner: Don't these articles pop up every other year or so?

This x 100.

Shows I've seen lately or am seeing soon:

Tame Impala
Mudhoney
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Black Angels
Black Moth Super Rainbow
Bad Brains
Yo La Tengo (maybe)

Only one of these falls into the "not guitar rock" category.

Boring lazy journalism. Just how much attention did Slayer get yesterday?  Anyone?  Bueller?


There's an awful lot of "black" in there. But definitely worthy bands.
I'm seeing Slayer news on every major site, front page, near the headlines.
 
2013-05-03 10:20:52 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzZjH6gfbc

The old ways can still be new again.  Delta blues metal.

Ignore the tatted up hot mess in front, she was only slightly distracting for me.
 
2013-05-03 10:21:45 PM  
That article would have got a C- as a grade 9 high school essay.
 
2013-05-03 10:21:52 PM  
www.billboard.com

literally
 
2013-05-03 10:22:00 PM  

EdenLiesObscured: There's an awful lot of "black" in there. But definitely worthy bands.


I bought tickets to all three Black bands at the same time at the Fillmore box office.  Lady behind the glass was amused.
 
2013-05-03 10:23:24 PM  
No not at all-

www.chicagonow.com
One of the most under rated bands in existence. "Pack up the Cats" was a great album that got no love in the 90's and "here comes the zoo" is a masterpiece.
 
2013-05-03 10:24:08 PM  

EdenLiesObscured: I'm seeing Slayer news on every major site, front page, near the headlines.


And, yeah, I guess that's the whole point.  I don't think that you'd see the same attention if someone from Stereolab died.  Rock is still very big.
 
2013-05-03 10:34:09 PM  
I sold guitars for 11 years. The state of the guitar music drives guitar sales and over the last 5 or so years it got worse and worse. Guitar Hero and Rock Band sort of propped it up for a few years, but kids found out quickly that the game was a lot easier to learn than actually fretting a guitar.

The interest in learning guitar is as low as it's been in a LONG time and that alone will affect the musical outcome for a long time.
 
2013-05-03 10:35:50 PM  
Guitar rock had its time and that time is over.   Popular music, as in music that sells, hasn't been based on guitar performance for a long time now.   The stuff people are pointing to(BRMC and the like) are obscure niche acts in the big picture.

If you were to name the most influential rock guitar players, you'll notice that once you get past Eddie Van Halen the pickings are really slim.   He hit the scene over 30 years ago.  Oh, I'm sure you can name your favorite, and very talented, innovators from the last 15 or 20 years, but they are influencing no one of any relevance.  It's not influential when the only people hearing it and being influenced by it are people within that particular subculture.

It's not like the old days when pretty much everything you heard, everything anyone played, all had guitars at the core.
 
2013-05-03 10:37:36 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: [www.asiavips.com image 414x549]


 "guitar groups are on the way out" said the Decca executive in regard to the Beatles.
 
2013-05-03 10:42:52 PM  

Birnone: The stuff people are pointing to(BRMC and the like) are obscure niche acts in the big picture.


I'm not sure if I'd call them an obscure niche act...

Birnone: It's not like the old days when pretty much everything you heard, everything anyone played, all had guitars at the core.


...but this point is well taken.  That said, I would like to mention that the synth new wave and rap of the 80's was supposedly the death knell for guitar rock at the time according to music experts.  It wasn't
 
2013-05-03 10:46:08 PM  

SilentStrider: Hey hey
My my
Rock and roll will never die.


Let your hair down in your eyes
You can make a million dollars

\nothing is obscure on fark
 
2013-05-03 10:47:16 PM  

Birnone: Guitar rock had its time and that time is over.   Popular music, as in music that sells, hasn't been based on guitar performance for a long time now.   The stuff people are pointing to(BRMC and the like) are obscure niche acts in the big picture.

If you were to name the most influential rock guitar players, you'll notice that once you get past Eddie Van Halen the pickings are really slim.   He hit the scene over 30 years ago.  Oh, I'm sure you can name your favorite, and very talented, innovators from the last 15 or 20 years, but they are influencing no one of any relevance.  It's not influential when the only people hearing it and being influenced by it are people within that particular subculture.

It's not like the old days when pretty much everything you heard, everything anyone played, all had guitars at the core.


He's old school, but Prince can rock a pretty mean guitar, and he's mainstream.  Or he was.

I really wish they'd bring back the guitar solo, but music producers have apparently decided that it interrupts the song, or something.
 
2013-05-03 10:52:27 PM  

GypsyJoker: Its appeal is becoming more selective.


Except in Boston; it's not a big college town.
 
2013-05-03 10:52:55 PM  
Omahawg: as much as i love chuck berry he really did kill the piano and saxophone in rock and roll

Johnnie Johnson [RIP] would disagree with you. He wrote and/or arranged, and played on - even though uncredited - most of Chuck's greatest stuff in the late 50s onward. On the piano. As Chuck's main sideman. And when Johnnie left, the hits stopped coming.

/not to take anything away from Chuck. He was a showman and that country boy could play guitar. But you got to give Johnnie his proper due.
/Little Richard and Jerry Lee would also like to have a word with you.
 
2013-05-03 10:55:10 PM  
Last great guitar album was Climbing by Mountain, 1970
 
2013-05-03 10:58:39 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Maybe, but it'll never die! \m/  \m/


\m/  |||^||| \m/

/whippin what lil hair I got
 
2013-05-03 11:04:04 PM  
Just think, people used to sit through long classic rock songs when they were on the radio.

A young band may have already written the next Stairway or Free Bird and may be on YouTube right now...but once the average person hears it has a 30 second musical intro; "Ain't nobody got time for that!"
 
2013-05-03 11:05:23 PM  

Top Geezer: Omahawg: as much as i love chuck berry he really did kill the piano and saxophone in rock and roll

Johnnie Johnson [RIP] would disagree with you. He wrote and/or arranged, and played on - even though uncredited - most of Chuck's greatest stuff in the late 50s onward. On the piano. As Chuck's main sideman. And when Johnnie left, the hits stopped coming.

/not to take anything away from Chuck. He was a showman and that country boy could play guitar. But you got to give Johnnie his proper due.
/Little Richard and Jerry Lee would also like to have a word with you.


as well as professor longhair and fats

the fact remains, chuck (and buddy) made rock and roll a gee-tar game and paved the way for such technically brilliant but still soulless travesties as steve vai and what's his name from rush
 
2013-05-03 11:08:23 PM  
It's Kraftwerk's fault.
 
2013-05-03 11:14:50 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Yes, guitar rock is dying.  Why, I can't find a single guitar rock album in the "Top 40" list on Rolling Stone.

Then again, I can't find anything there worth listening to at all.  I haven't turned on a radio station in 5 years- there's nothing there worth listening to either.

But I have the Internet, and I find new bands every single freaking day.  I'm listening to a Polish progressive metal band right now for the first time (Animations) and they blow the doors off of anything I've heard lately.  There are amazing musicians in every genre you would care to hear available whenever you want.  You don't need to listen to RS, or Village Voice, or anyone at all, and so long as there are people picking up the instrument it's not going anywhere

/Yeah, I like prog.  Bite me


i too gave up on radio, for well over ten years. there is a possibility you may find some joy on this commercial free volunteer run mixed show format station:
http://www.wfmu.org/
 
2013-05-03 11:18:17 PM  
Guitar rock died a long long time ago...

blues.is
 
2013-05-03 11:18:39 PM  
Joe Bonamassa shreds.
 
2013-05-03 11:21:51 PM  
Clamfight live.

Clamfight sophomore album. It's quickly become my favorite of the year.

And that's even with hearing the new Uncle Acid,
 
2013-05-03 11:22:10 PM  

Charlie Freak: I sold guitars for 11 years. The state of the guitar music drives guitar sales and over the last 5 or so years it got worse and worse. Guitar Hero and Rock Band sort of propped it up for a few years, but kids found out quickly that the game was a lot easier to learn than actually fretting a guitar.

The interest in learning guitar is as low as it's been in a LONG time and that alone will affect the musical outcome for a long time.


If it makes you feel any better, I started playing again after a 38 year layoff. New Gretsch solid body because Billy Zoom, that's why.
 
2013-05-03 11:23:06 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I'm listening to a Polish progressive metal band right now for the first time (Animations) and they blow the doors off of anything I've heard lately.


That's awfully bland stuff. If you want some non-generic instrumental prog metal, check out Blotted Science.
 
2013-05-03 11:25:21 PM  
 
2013-05-03 11:32:27 PM  
Yes Subby, guitar rock is dying. It's easy to understand why. Let me explain.


Say you have 12 beer....

i.ytimg.com
/of course it's not dying. As long as teenage boys realize that the females of their peer group are more willing to have sex with them if they play for them, the guitar will survive.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:25 PM  

Adebisi: Glockenspiel Hero: I'm listening to a Polish progressive metal band right now for the first time (Animations) and they blow the doors off of anything I've heard lately.

That's awfully bland stuff. If you want some non-generic instrumental prog metal, check out Blotted Science.


I actually do listen to them from time to time.  To say one is blander than the other is odd- listen to the progressions and rhythms.  They're quite similar in a lot of cases.  Yes, BS plays a bit faster and with more distortion, but it's clear they're from the same genre.

If I'm looking for real oddball metal, I go listen to Devin Townsend for a while.  He claims to write best when he's off his meds.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:26 PM  
Omahawg: as much as i love chuck berry he really did kill the piano and saxophone in rock and roll

Top Geezer: Johnnie Johnson [RIP] would disagree with you. He wrote and/or arranged, and played on - even though uncredited - most of Chuck's greatest stuff in the late 50s onward. On the piano. As Chuck's main sideman. And when Johnnie left, the hits stopped coming.

/not to take anything away from Chuck. He was a showman and that country boy could play guitar. But you got to give Johnnie his proper due.
/Little Richard and Jerry Lee would also like to have a word with you.


Omahawg: as well as professor longhair and fats

the fact remains, chuck (and buddy) made rock and roll a gee-tar game and paved the way for such technically brilliant but still soulless travesties as steve vai and what's his name from rush


Fats & Fess are both dear to me, esp Fess - I have way too many and at the same time not nearly enough records by him. And yeah, I get your point. Hell, Oldham screwed Ian Stewart out of a full position in the Stones which might have mitigated some of Brian/Mick/Ronnie & Keith's "six strings up front" excesses [and don't get me wrong, I loves me some Stones, too]. I can go post-Berry rock piano & sax on ya all night, but you'll be needing to spend your reply time with other concerns as by the time I even finish typing this you're already going to have been flamed by every Rush & Vai farker on here. Good luck, I hope you chose your battle well.

/at the top of my N'awlins pianny wizards is James Booker. Bach & rock, Amen.
//first big concert I ever saw was Rush c.Hemispheres
///and yet I still bought the new Mudhoney record - wanna talk guitar rock?
 
2013-05-03 11:35:20 PM  
Is the Obvious tag dying?
 
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