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(Salon)   Oh, this should be good: a gun "activist" is planning a July 4th march on Washington D.C. in which 1,000 people will be armed with loaded rifles. Better yet? Open carry is prohibited in D.C   (salon.com) divider line 394
    More: Asinine, Washington DC, July 4th, Adam Kokesh  
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2013-05-03 04:31:35 PM
please proceed.
 
2013-05-03 04:34:27 PM
Open carry is legal in Philly, and we've been marching here every Saturday to the local diner for a cup of coffee.  It gets the cops used to the idea that someone besides them can legally carry a gun around on their hip.  C'mon up here and do it, it''ll be fun.
 
2013-05-03 04:51:44 PM
"Peaceful unless the government chooses to make it violent." Ok. Let's say a few of the thousand people who would be stupid enough to show up to such an event are also lunatics and start threatening officers for "taking thier freedom" or some other paranoid delusion, and the police officers react (rightly or wrongly) to protect themselves. Then what? Gonna have yourselves a little armed rebellion in DC? Best of luck, assholes.
 
2013-05-03 05:18:26 PM
It might be fun to bring firecrackers to that event.

toss and run.
 
2013-05-03 05:27:48 PM
They won't do it.  July 4th will come and go, and they won't have their little attention whore event.
 
2013-05-03 05:54:50 PM

sithon: It might be fun to bring firecrackers to that event.

toss and run.


i like the cut of your jib!
 
2013-05-03 06:32:21 PM

sithon: It might be fun to bring firecrackers to that event.

toss and run.


Exactly what I was thinking. The problem will reach a critical mass and then take care of itself in a perverted Darwinian self-destruction.
 
2013-05-03 07:23:27 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: They won't do it.  July 4th will come and go, and they won't have their little attention whore event.


probably not. But the NRA types are getting cocky after their recent successes, and may succumb to their own unrestrained hubris.

at least I hope they do.
 
2013-05-03 07:27:28 PM
The DC police will allow it to happen.  Its like at a big music festival, the cops don't give a shiat about you smoking weed openly or having sex behind the port-a-johns, they just want to keep it peaceful.
 
2013-05-03 07:38:09 PM
They're so patriotic that they fantasize about shooting American cops and soldiers. For freedom.
 
2013-05-03 07:40:14 PM
 he says he won't do it unless 1,000 join him

Sounds like a pussy, can't stand up for your beliefs without 999 people behind you.  And a gun
 
2013-05-03 07:46:02 PM
They can all just be arrested the minute they cross the border.  I can't imagine the police wouldn't notice 1,000 people with rifles walking across Memorial Bridge.
 
2013-05-03 08:02:34 PM
I know I played this level recently... Far Cry3 ?
 
2013-05-03 08:03:50 PM
This will not end well.
 
2013-05-03 08:05:12 PM
Assasin's Creed, that's it.
 
2013-05-03 08:07:19 PM
In some ways we are actively regressing as a society. Case in point, these nitwits and all the open carry laws

But at leas we know to blame video games
 
2013-05-03 08:07:57 PM

Peter von Nostrand: In some ways we are actively regressing as a society. Case in point, these nitwits and all the open carry laws

But at leas we know to blame video games


* least
 
2013-05-03 08:08:22 PM
If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.
 
2013-05-03 08:11:33 PM

cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.


James Eark Ray should have used the "I was only using this rifle as political speech" defense.
 
2013-05-03 08:17:56 PM

propasaurus: cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.

James Eark Ray should have used the "I was only using this rifle as political speech" defense.


No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".

Flag burning and showing your tits to protest lack of open toplessness are two of the biggest examples of using props.
 
2013-05-03 08:19:58 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: sithon: It might be fun to bring firecrackers to that event.

toss and run.

Exactly what I was thinking. The problem will reach a critical mass and then take care of itself in a perverted Darwinian self-destruction.


Anyone familiar with the fireworks laws of the adjacent environs?
 
2013-05-03 08:24:01 PM

cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.


Really
United States v. O'Brien
Main article: United States v. O'Brien
"On the morning of March 31, 1966, David Paul O'Brien and three companions burned their Selective Service registration certificates on the steps of the South Boston Courthouse. A sizable crowd, including several agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, witnessed the event. Immediately after the burning, members of the crowd began attacking O'Brien and his companions. An FBI agent ushered O'Brien to safety inside the courthouse. After he was advised of his right to counsel and to silence, O'Brien stated to FBI agents that he had burned his registration certificate because of his beliefs, knowing that he was violating federal law. He produced the charred remains of the certificate, which, with his consent, were photographed. For this act, O'Brien was indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts. He did not contest the fact that he had burned the certificate. He stated in argument to the jury that he burned the certificate publicly to influence others to adopt his anti-war beliefs, as he put it, "so that other people would reevaluate their positions with Selective Service, with the armed forces, and reevaluate their place in the culture of today, to hopefully consider my position." [5]
The court ruled 7-1 against O'Brien. In the opinion of the court, Chief Justice Warren wrote that while the First Amendment does protect freedom of speech, it does not protect all things that may extraneously be labeled 'symbolic speech'. As such, O'Brien's protest was not protected because the United States had a compelling interest in preventing the destruction or mutilation of draft cards. To help himself and future justices determine what may be protected under the free speech clause, he developed a series of requirements that laws must meet in order to stay out of conflict with the First, and thus be considered constitutional, known now as the O'Brien test
 
2013-05-03 08:31:55 PM

cman: propasaurus: cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.

James Eark Ray should have used the "I was only using this rifle as political speech" defense.

No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".

Flag burning and showing your tits to protest lack of open toplessness are two of the biggest examples of using props.


Tits are "props" now?  You must lead a fascinating life.
 
2013-05-03 08:39:53 PM

doyner: cman: propasaurus: cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.

James Eark Ray should have used the "I was only using this rifle as political speech" defense.

No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".

Flag burning and showing your tits to protest lack of open toplessness are two of the biggest examples of using props.

Tits are "props" now?  You must lead a fascinating life.


Eh, let him go. He's rolling, factual or not
 
2013-05-03 08:40:23 PM

cman: No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".


Except that, as spongeboob has pointed out, the courts tend to view firearms and visable weapons differently than they do a flag, because of the nature of their ability to mame or kill others, and to be used to incite and create civil unrest.

Basically, what these chucklefarks are doing is breaking the law for attention whoring purposes, while trying to create the image of being responsible, law abiding citizens and gun owners.

You do not have a second amendment right to open carry, either. It is considered one of the reasonable restrictions that a State or Local Government can impose upon Gun Owners. In my state, if I were open carrying without my HCP on my person anywhere except for my property or my business, I'd be guilty of a felony gun crime.

You're not helping. And neither are they.
 
2013-05-03 09:04:39 PM
What's the over/under on accidental shootings? There were 8 during the "Gun Appreciation Day" events.
 
2013-05-03 09:05:22 PM

hardinparamedic: cman: No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".

Except that, as spongeboob has pointed out, the courts tend to view firearms and visable weapons differently than they do a flag, because of the nature of their ability to mame or kill others, and to be used to incite and create civil unrest.

Basically, what these chucklefarks are doing is breaking the law for attention whoring purposes, while trying to create the image of being responsible, law abiding citizens and gun owners.

You do not have a second amendment right to open carry, either. It is considered one of the reasonable restrictions that a State or Local Government can impose upon Gun Owners. In my state, if I were open carrying without my HCP on my person anywhere except for my property or my business, I'd be guilty of a felony gun crime.

You're not helping. And neither are they.


A reasonable gun owner.  I wish there was more like you.
 
2013-05-03 09:05:47 PM
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No.  Please.  Stop.  Don't do it.
 
2013-05-03 09:06:27 PM
This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.

...so, in other words: you'll get around a thousand people together, with the expressed intent to "cower in submission to tyranny" the moment the cops show up and tell you to shoo.  Otherwise, you'll parade down the street with their permission.  Whatever the cops eventually decide to let you get away with, and you comply with, you've already gone ahead and pre-emptively declared victory.  So that's nice.

Real impressive there, boys.  Next time you decide to organize a civil disobedience event, you might even find the nerve to  disobey someone.
 
2013-05-03 09:06:28 PM
 Sooooo, my question is how the fox news crowd will respond when they all get beat the fark down. Will it be the "hurr hurr they dun got what they deserved!!" that they reserve for Student protesters and Occupy wallstreet. Or will they try something new and go the "OMG OUTRAGE!! help help I'm being repressed!" I think I already know but it will be interesting none the less.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-05-03 09:09:44 PM
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He'll be there..
 
2013-05-03 09:11:33 PM

Mantour: [i6.photobucket.com image 251x320]

He'll be there..


No he won't.
 
2013-05-03 09:11:57 PM

FlashHarry: please proceed.


AAAAAnnnd were done.
 
2013-05-03 09:13:25 PM

Lsherm: They can all just be arrested the minute they cross the border.  I can't imagine the police wouldn't notice 1,000 people with rifles walking across Memorial Bridge.


No, that would be a confrontation, which is what the organizers are trying to goad the DC police into.

The police will give the marchers a wide berth as they follow their route, and then once the procession is over, anybody from the pack who was observed brandishing their weapon in an unsafe manner or talking about shooting politicians will be deftly separated from the group and taken into custody.
 
2013-05-03 09:14:14 PM

Flappyhead: Mantour: [i6.photobucket.com image 251x320]

He'll be there..

No he won't.


Yep, Nugent is a coward and he would probably soil himself.
 
2013-05-03 09:15:04 PM
from wiki, i dunna how accurate since the source links dont work correctly :
He brought home a pistol from Iraq in 2004 in violation of military rules, which prevented his return for a second Iraq tour... yeah, this guy sounds like someone to follow .....
 
2013-05-03 09:15:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Open carry is legal in Philly, and we've been marching here every Saturday to the local diner for a cup of coffee.  It gets the cops used to the idea that someone besides them can legally carry a gun around on their hip.  C'mon up here and do it, it''ll be fun.


Wyatt Earp recognized open carry was a bad idea 140 years ago.
 
2013-05-03 09:17:32 PM
So, essentially a battalion of disgruntled militia types marching to the capitol???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_rebellion

I think it would be best to avoid downtown that day.
 
2013-05-03 09:19:15 PM

propasaurus: They're so patriotic that they fantasize about shooting American cops and soldiers. For freedom.


Why do they hate our troops?
 
2013-05-03 09:19:37 PM

doyner: cman: propasaurus: cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.

James Eark Ray should have used the "I was only using this rifle as political speech" defense.

No

Since the protest is about open carry wearing a gun is a statement of "I support my 2nd amendment".

Flag burning and showing your tits to protest lack of open toplessness are two of the biggest examples of using props.

Tits are "props" now?  You must lead a fascinating life.


baywatch.jpg
 
2013-05-03 09:21:32 PM
It will be more peaceful than the May Day gatherings. But, I'm sure there will be misspelled signs and fat, old people, so it won't be a total bust.
 
2013-05-03 09:21:37 PM
It is a cunning plan.  They'll either end up with signs screaming that Obama is jailing responsible gun owners and confiscating their weapons OR they'll be able to say 'why do we need more gun laws when -1bama won't enforce the ones we already have IN HIS OWN BACKYARD?'
 
2013-05-03 09:21:56 PM

Mantour: [i6.photobucket.com image 251x320]

He'll be there..


Bullshiat he will, he'll be in his nice comfy house. He's not going to get within 100 miles of any situation that might legitimately turn dangerous.
 
2013-05-03 09:26:10 PM

cman: If they are arrested they wont be convicted of any gun crime.

Courts have always ruled that using things for political speech is protected under the first amendment.


if a few get on tv, they can detail all about the gun, how it works...show the clip, etc. it would be a documentary, so just like that reporter a few months ago, no charges will be filed.
 
2013-05-03 09:26:10 PM
So basically the police can just say "They were coming right for us", and then they can "Thin out their numbers"?
 
2013-05-03 09:26:28 PM
Well I guess I know where I'm gonna be on the 4th.

With beer and popcorn.
 
2013-05-03 09:26:45 PM

ole prophet: It will be more peaceful than the May Day gatherings. But, I'm sure there will be misspelled signs and fat, old people, so it won't be a total bust.


What's the odds on a certified safety instructor having an accidental discharge at this little soiree? Even money?
 
2013-05-03 09:27:01 PM
he promoted both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street in a worldview that some sociologists describe as "fusion paranoia,"

Lulz.

Though I don't see that the two are necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2013-05-03 09:27:10 PM
What really pissed me off about this shiat is how they're just spoiling for a damn fight. YOU FARKING WON! Less than 6 months after one of the most horrific school shootings in recent history, we couldn't even get slightly stronger background checks passed.

There's probably not going to be another significant piece of gun control legislation passed within the rest of our lifetimes. You can stop freaking the fark out about this now.
 
2013-05-03 09:27:22 PM
c-span FTW.
 
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