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2013-05-03 06:46:19 PM

Slesfo: I see what you're saying, but we're talking about who has control of a nation, not where a group of people happened to live. Just because i live in an apartment for 20 years doesn't mean i suddenly get the right to own it again, even if i owned it years ago.


Your analogy fails on many levels.

Slesfo: I would say, Yes.


What if I was John Lennon, uh? Ever thought about that, big boy?
 
2013-05-03 06:49:49 PM

Tatsuma: I was a slave in Egypt.


No, you weren't, despite what all of the ancient Abrahamic Books of Fantasy tell you.
 
2013-05-03 06:51:51 PM

rikkidoxx: There are no such people as Palestinians nor is there a country named Palestine. Name one, just one Palestinian king as an example. Those people euphemistically called Palestinians are actually from Jordan and that area.


Julius Ceasar?
 
2013-05-03 06:52:21 PM

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: You're 2,000 years old?

No. I am 3,335 years old.

It was fate that delivered me and my contemporaries into this great era, when the Jews returned to and re-established their homeland. I am no longer a wandering Jew who migrates from country to country, from exile to exile. But all Jews in every generation must regard themselves as if they had been there, in previous generations, places, and events. Therefore, I am still a wandering Jew, but not along the far-flung paths of the world. Now I migrate through the expanses of time, from generation to generation, down the paths of memory.

Memory shortens distances.

Two hundred generations have passed since my people first came into being, and to me they seem like a few days.
Only two hundred generations have passed since a man named Abraham rose up and left his country and birthplace for the country that is today mine.
Only two hundred generations have elapsed from the day Abraham purchased the Cave of Makhpela in the city of Hebron to the murderous conflicts that have taken place there in my generation.
Only one hundred fifty generations have passed from the Pillar of Fire of the Exodus from Egypt to the pillars of smoke from the Holocaust.
And I, a descendant of Abraham, born in Abraham's country, have witnessed them all.

I was a slave in Egypt.
I received the Torah at Mount Sinai.
Together with Joshua and Elijah, I crossed the Jordan River.
I entered Jerusalem with David, was exiled from it with Zedekiah, and did not forget it by the rivers of Babylon.
When the Lord returned the captives of Zion, I dreamed among the builders of its ramparts.
I fought the Romans and was banished from Spain.
I was bound to the stake in Mainz.
I studied Torah in Yemen and lost my family in Kishinev.
I was incinerated in Treblinka, rebelled in Warsaw, and emigrated to the Land of Israel, the country when I had been exiled and where I had been born, from which I come and to which I return.

I am a wandering Jew who follow ...


I killed Grendel.
I died during the sinking of Atlantis.
I've suffered millions of bouts of diarrhea.
I preferred when Zeus came to me as a bull.
I've been burnt by gonorrhea. Not just twice, but hundreds of times.
I blessed the rains down in Africa.
I slaughtered the Native Americans.
I moved the rock that sealed Jesus's tomb.
I decapitated the wives of Henry VIII.
I told short people they have no reason to live.
I knocked up the mitochondrial Eve.
I was Superman. And I could do anything.
I was the make-up artist for Helen of Troy. She was actually quite homely. My work launched all those ships.
I was Claudius.
I was beaten by Chris Brown.
 
2013-05-03 06:56:14 PM

Tatsuma: Google is also a censorship tool of the Chinese and many other totalitarian regimes. So, who cares?


fark you tats.   You're the reason my friends in Israel are in danger you piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-03 06:56:21 PM

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: You're 2,000 years old?

No. I am 3,335 years old.

It was fate that delivered me and my contemporaries into this great era, when the Jews returned to and re-established their homeland. I am no longer a wandering Jew who migrates from country to country, from exile to exile. But all Jews in every generation must regard themselves as if they had been there, in previous generations, places, and events. Therefore, I am still a wandering Jew, but not along the far-flung paths of the world. Now I migrate through the expanses of time, from generation to generation, down the paths of memory.

Memory shortens distances.

Two hundred generations have passed since my people first came into being, and to me they seem like a few days.
Only two hundred generations have passed since a man named Abraham rose up and left his country and birthplace for the country that is today mine.
Only two hundred generations have elapsed from the day Abraham purchased the Cave of Makhpela in the city of Hebron to the murderous conflicts that have taken place there in my generation.
Only one hundred fifty generations have passed from the Pillar of Fire of the Exodus from Egypt to the pillars of smoke from the Holocaust.
And I, a descendant of Abraham, born in Abraham's country, have witnessed them all.

I was a slave in Egypt.
I received the Torah at Mount Sinai.
Together with Joshua and Elijah, I crossed the Jordan River.
I entered Jerusalem with David, was exiled from it with Zedekiah, and did not forget it by the rivers of Babylon.
When the Lord returned the captives of Zion, I dreamed among the builders of its ramparts.
I fought the Romans and was banished from Spain.
I was bound to the stake in Mainz.
I studied Torah in Yemen and lost my family in Kishinev.
I was incinerated in Treblinka, rebelled in Warsaw, and emigrated to the Land of Israel, the country when I had been exiled and where I had been born, from which I come and to which I return.

I am a wandering Jew who follows in the footsteps of his forebears, and just as I escorted them there and then, so do my forebears accompany me and stand here with me today.


So you're a Speaker For The Dead? Doesn't subjective time vs relative time get confusing?

/obscure?
//welcome back
 
2013-05-03 06:56:40 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: No, you weren't, despite what all of the ancient Abrahamic Books of Fantasy tell you.


I could start talking about archeological evidence, but I somehow don't feel like you're interested in a debate, or to change your mind.

Plus, Shabbat is fast approaching
 
2013-05-03 06:56:42 PM

Tatsuma: The modern state of Israel is only a continuation of this, not a brand new invention.


The modern state of Israel is a recreation of this. It's only a 'continuation' in the sense that, if you stop a movie, you can later continue playing. But that really large gap between part one and part two would seem to indicate that it was not your land for longer than it was. Congratulations on getting it back and all, but to say that it was always your is just emotional mush; no, it wasn't. Any more than, say, New York belongs to the Iroquois.

Tatsuma: There were a lot of Palestinian clubs ... for daring calling him a Jew.


Great, but that doesn't answer my question whatsoever. I am using 1941 Jews and comparing them to 2013 Palestinians, not the other way 'round.

So the Palestinians never had an official country named "Palestine", with its own flag and soccer team...but they lived on some of that land, and they identify with it for some reason.

Other than Jews having had an official country (at one point, long, long ago) how is their situation any different?
 
2013-05-03 07:02:15 PM

ArcadianRefugee: The modern state of Israel is a recreation of this. It's only a 'continuation' in the sense that, if you stop a movie, you can later continue playing. But that really large gap between part one and part two would seem to indicate that it was not your land for longer than it was. Congratulations on getting it back and all, but to say that it was always your is just emotional mush; no, it wasn't. Any more than, say, New York belongs to the Iroquois.


It's the same name, it's the same language, it's the same people, it's the same currency. Continuation, not recreation.

ArcadianRefugee: So the Palestinians never had an official country named "Palestine", with its own flag and soccer team...but they lived on some of that land, and they identify with it for some reason.


They never identified as such, according to their own leaders and their own intellectuals, until after the Six-Day War, and it only really took a hold after the Yom Kippur war.

There are huge differences today between Gazans and people in Judea and Samaria, because most of the people from Gaza descend from Egyptians, while those in Judea and Samaria tend to be mostly coming from Jordan and the northerners from Syria.

There's a reason why more than 80% of Jordanians identify as 'palestinian', it's not because they are refugees, it's because they are more or less from the same mass of people.
 
2013-05-03 07:03:07 PM
Anyway, gotta start getting ready, don't know if I'll have time to post some more before it's time.

So, Shabbat Shalom ya'll, have a nice weekend and all that.
 
2013-05-03 07:04:47 PM

Tatsuma: ecmoRandomNumbers: No, you weren't, despite what all of the ancient Abrahamic Books of Fantasy tell you.

I could start talking about archeological evidence, but I somehow don't feel like you're interested in a debate, or to change your mind.

Plus, Shabbat is fast approaching


*cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Egypt#Genesis_an d_ Exodus


Although the Book of Genesis and Book of Exodus describe a period of Hebrew servitude in ancient Egypt, more than a century of archaeological research has discovered nothing which could support its narrative elements- the four centuries sojourn in Egypt, the escape of well over a million Israelites from the Delta, or the three months journey through the wilderness to Sinai.[3]

The Egyptian records themselves have no mention of anything recorded in Exodus, the wilderness of the southern Sinai peninsula shows no traces of a mass-migration such as Exodus describes, and virtually all the place-names mentioned, including Goshen (the area within Egypt where the Israelites supposedly lived), the store-cities of Pithom and Rameses, the site of the crossing of the Red Sea (or, more commonly among modern Biblical scholars, the Sea of Reeds), and even Mt Sinai itself, have resisted identification.[4] Scholars who hold the Exodus to represent historical truth concede that the most the evidence can suggest is plausibility.[5]


That's from Wikipedia because it was the quickest to look up and post (I don't have articles about this bookmarked), but there are more than a few other references for the same idea.
 
2013-05-03 07:05:30 PM

Tatsuma: ecmoRandomNumbers: No, you weren't, despite what all of the ancient Abrahamic Books of Fantasy tell you.

I could start talking about archeological evidence, but I somehow don't feel like you're interested in a debate, or to change your mind.

Plus, Shabbat is fast approaching


The lack of evidence is what I find more compelling. But, please enlighten.
 
2013-05-03 07:07:16 PM
they had to do it or they'd die
 
2013-05-03 07:07:24 PM
Name one king or head of state of Kosovo (previous to 2008, autonomous province is not a nation).
 
2013-05-03 07:10:48 PM

goatleggedfellow: Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.

So they're not a country, just a group of people being driven off their common homeland. People defined by a common history and shared struggle that outsiders can't properly appreciate.

fark 'em. They can find somewhere else in the world to live.


Maybe the palestinians can scatter around the world having been driven from their historic homeland, and live for thousands of years being persecuted and suffering pogroms due to being a suspect minority, until eventually some military leader with a grudge against them conquers many of the countries they have spread to and commits genocide wiping out a large chunk of their population, so then some sort of international agency like the UN might end up ceding them a load of land back in the area of their historic homeland, after which they start to persecute and marginalize the people that have been living there since they were scattered?
 
2013-05-03 07:12:29 PM

xria: goatleggedfellow: Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.

So they're not a country, just a group of people being driven off their common homeland. People defined by a common history and shared struggle that outsiders can't properly appreciate.

fark 'em. They can find somewhere else in the world to live.

Maybe the palestinians can scatter around the world having been driven from their historic homeland, and live for thousands of years being persecuted and suffering pogroms due to being a suspect minority, until eventually some military leader with a grudge against them conquers many of the countries they have spread to and commits genocide wiping out a large chunk of their population, so then some sort of international agency like the UN might end up ceding them a load of land back in the area of their historic homeland, after which they start to persecute and marginalize the people that have been living there since they were scattered?


That sounds like an incredibly stupid idea.
 
2013-05-03 07:13:50 PM

Tatsuma: Slesfo: I don't know why he's making this argument. The Muslims had the land longer consecutively (under the Ottoman Empire), than the Jews did collectively, and the Jews haven't had it since the Greeks took it from them... more than 2000 years ago. This is kinda like arguing that I have the right to my late grandfather's stolen car even though it's been bought, sold, and modified a dozen times since, and the current owner has had it longer than he ever did.

We lived under various occupiers in our land for the last 1877 years since the destruction of our Beit HaMikdash. Whether it was the Greeks, or the Romans, or the various Muslim empires fighting each others, we were still living on our land in and the year 5708, or 1948, we finally had our own state again, on the land we've lived, live and will continue to live on. Israel was, is, and will always be ours.

[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]


You mean Canaan?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-03 07:17:01 PM

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: The important thing here is that you got in right at the start to tell us how unimportant this was and how much you didn't care.

I'm sorry, I forgot we were posting on NewsWeReallyCare.com

That was gauche of me.


leftist
 
2013-05-03 07:22:02 PM

Tatsuma: It's the same name, it's the same language, it's the same people, it's the same currency. Continuation, not recreation.


Israel ceased to exist. A continuation would have had stone house, no cars, no electricity, etc. It's no more a continuation than "NuWho" is a simple 'continuation'. Maybe a reboot, but it seems there is a large chunk missing between parts 1 and 2.

They never identified as such, according to their own leaders and their own intellectuals, until after the Six-Day War, and it only really took a hold after the Yom Kippur war.

And Americans never identified as such until they got sick of British rule. So what?

Tatsuma: There's a reason why more than 80% of Jordanians identify as 'palestinian', it's not because they are refugees, it's because they are more or less from the same mass of people.


Well, any Jordanians living in the West Bank were stripped of their Jordanian citizenship by Jordan in 1988.

Also interesting (to me) is that just as you believe "Israel was always ours" the Palestinians seem to feel the same way about Palestine: "the nation was always there, indeed it is part of the natural order, even when it was submerged in the hearts of its members."

/yes, I am using Wikipedia where there are sources cited
 
2013-05-03 07:23:40 PM
Sorry, that was a bit of an aborted post, so thoughts were left out.

/I get distracted easily
 
2013-05-03 07:25:05 PM

Tatsuma: Slesfo: I don't know why he's making this argument. The Muslims had the land longer consecutively (under the Ottoman Empire), than the Jews did collectively, and the Jews haven't had it since the Greeks took it from them... more than 2000 years ago. This is kinda like arguing that I have the right to my late grandfather's stolen car even though it's been bought, sold, and modified a dozen times since, and the current owner has had it longer than he ever did.

We lived under various occupiers in our land for the last 1877 years since the destruction of our Beit HaMikdash. Whether it was the Greeks, or the Romans, or the various Muslim empires fighting each others, we were still living on our land in and the year 5708, or 1948, we finally had our own state again, on the land we've lived, live and will continue to live on. Israel was, is, and will always be ours.

[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]


Modern Israel exists as a convenience to the West. It is a proxy warrior in the Middle East.
 
2013-05-03 07:30:06 PM

Tatsuma: HypnozombieX: how very anti semitic of them.

Anti-semitism is not the antonym of 'semitism'  (What is semitism to begin with?).

Antisemitism is a very specific term that describes anti-Jewish hatred, and has always meant since so its inception.


We have decided to alter it's meaning. Pray we do not alter it further.
 
2013-05-03 07:33:47 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.

Name one true scotsman.


Billy Connolly
 
2013-05-03 07:43:21 PM

Tatsuma: Slesfo: I see what you're saying, but we're talking about who has control of a nation, not where a group of people happened to live. Just because i live in an apartment for 20 years doesn't mean i suddenly get the right to own it again, even if i owned it years ago.

Your analogy fails on many levels.


Sure. i could expand it to make it fit better, but my point is that your argument that it should belong to the jews because it belonged to them once, for 800 years is flawed on af ew basic levels.

First, it doesn't add up to 800, it adds up to about  726, (if you count all the way back to the historically dubious Joshua conquest) but you're still counting the Exile as time where it was controlled by Jews, which is strange. If you count from the time of david, the first time Israel was consolidated together in a fashion that would look like an actual nation, that brings the total down to 526

Next, that total time wasn't even  consecutively, mind you- They controlled it, then lost it, then controlled it, then lost it for 70 years, then controlled it again, then lost it again),

Next, that was a very, VERY long time ago, and many different groups have legitimately owned and controlled it since then. The people from whom it was taken had it for a comparable amount of time. Israel only even had it for a longer (broken up) period if you count the Joshua date, which isn't historically a responsible thing to do. It was under Muslim control from 1291 - 1917= 626 years. And they had it that long CONSECUTIVELY. The longest straight period of time that Jews controlled it was much much shorter.

So, God tells me that I get to own a car. I have to Take it from somebody else by force, but at that time in my country, hey, that's how you got a car. So I go take this car.

Woo hoo, I go joy riding, and boy does this car get jacked up, but people still like it. After a while, somebody, let's call him Baby, Comes along, beats me up, and steals it from me for a few years, during which time, i just walk everywhere. Somebody else, let's call him Persi steals it from him, and then says, "hey bro, I'll let you rent it from me."

Sweet. I get my car back! Then somebody else, Let's call her Helen, comes along and jacks him up, and says to me, "Hey, nice car. It's mine now, I'll let you keep riding in it, but you're not gonna be able to really drive it. My buddy here is gonna drive, but you can sorta back-seat drive, cool?"

Then this new guy comes along, let's call him Roman, starts sleeping with Helen in a sort of abusive, love-hate relationship, and takes all of her assets, but is still like, I love you baby. He comes in and says, " Hi. Uh.. Helen was doing this pretty well. I'm gonna do things her way, and just have my bro here drive. Cool. Peace out."

So I'm sitting here in Roman's car, but dammit, I really wanna drive, and i don't like where he's going with it. after a few weeks, I start throwing a hissy fit here in the back seat. Roman gets fed up with this, pulls the car over, yanks me out, beats the shiat out of me, and drives off. 

I'm left to just walk, and the car changes hands a couple of times after that, but then decades later, I see my car again. It was looking pretty nice- lot of the dings I left in it were smoothed out, and it hadn't been in any wrecks recently, like when i was driving, or when the other assholes were driving.

I DGAF though, and I want it back. I start nagging my friend, Aurthur, driving an Aston Martin, to make him give it to me. He can't be bothered, but eventually, after I get run over by a truck and hospitalized, he feels real bad for me, and decides, "hey, this guy needs a car." So he finds the guy driving the car, Mo, kicks him out of the driver's seat, and puts me in the driver's seat. 

So now, here i am, driving my car, and this asshole, Mo, in the back seat, won't stop biatching and moaning about how I took his car.

Why won't he understand that it's rightfully mine? 


Tatsuma:What if I was John Lennon, uh? Ever thought about that, big boy?

I've thought about that many, many times.
 
2013-05-03 07:51:13 PM

Tatsuma: Anyway, gotta start getting ready, don't know if I'll have time to post some more before it's time.

So, Shabbat Shalom ya'll, have a nice weekend and all that.


Ah yes, the one day a week where you try to get around the rules that an omnipotent god set out for you.

Brilliant.
 
2013-05-03 07:52:00 PM
Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.
 
2013-05-03 07:53:46 PM

This a quick scan from my atlas:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-03 07:58:06 PM
Ahh, building a religious state in the most volatile region in the world with arbitrary borders, foreign in tests, and military aid.

What could possibly go wrong.
 
2013-05-03 07:58:30 PM

Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.


So you don't support Israel's right to exist then?
 
2013-05-03 08:08:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.

So you don't support Israel's right to exist then?


So, when did you stop beating your wife?
 
2013-05-03 08:12:18 PM

noitsnot: cameroncrazy1984: Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.

So you don't support Israel's right to exist then?

So, when did you stop beating your wife?


How is that a loaded question? Does Israel not use rockets?
 
2013-05-03 08:22:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: noitsnot: cameroncrazy1984: Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.

So you don't support Israel's right to exist then?

So, when did you stop beating your wife?

How is that a loaded question? Does Israel not use rockets?


Against combatants.  Who cowardly retreat to civilian positions.
 
2013-05-03 08:23:24 PM

Abox: Against combatants.  Who cowardly retreat to civilian positions.


You could characterize the Palestinian position the same way.
 
2013-05-03 08:33:31 PM
5/3/2013 - The day Tatsuma switched to Bing.
 
2013-05-03 08:49:00 PM
Anything to deny the existence of Israel, Israelites.

/I wouldn't stand close to Google
 
2013-05-03 08:51:17 PM

Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.


As a bloodthirsty, murderous, hairless ape, i resembles that remark.
Just because my hands drip with the blood of a thousand generations of other bloodthirsty, murderous, hairless apes doesn't mean I don't get a patch of dirt to shiat on.
After all - you do - and you're a bloodthirsty, murderous, hairless ape just like me.
 
2013-05-03 08:53:04 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Anything to deny the existence of Israel, Israelites.

/I wouldn't stand close to Google


I prefer Israels to Israelites. I don't like "lite" anything - smokes, beer, soda - you name it. No flavor.
 
2013-05-03 08:54:17 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: tallguywithglasseson: Obviously, not you.

I don't get why that's supposed to be a big deal, no.

The important thing here is that you got in right at the start to tell us how unimportant this was and how much you didn't care.


So, since I'm posting later in the thread than you and Tatsuma, does that mean I care LESS than you two, or MORE than you both?  And is this a case where I COULD care less, or COULDN'T care less?

/confused?
//I won't be after this episode of Soap
 
2013-05-03 08:57:00 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: rikkidoxx: Name one, just one Palestinian king as an example.

I thought we were an autonomous collective.


No,   I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
 
2013-05-03 08:58:29 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Anything to deny the existence of Israel, Israelites.

/I wouldn't stand close to Google


How, exactly, does recognizing Palestine deny the existence of Israel?
 
2013-05-03 09:00:45 PM

Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.


2.bp.blogspot.com
I hope there's gonna be beer for all this hard work.
 
2013-05-03 09:20:16 PM

Tommy Moo: "This change raises questions about the reasons behind this surprising involvement of what is basically a private internet company in international politics, and on the controversial side," Yigal Palmor, Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, told AFP news agency.

See, here's the thing: Google was in a bind in that anything would have appeared political. Doing nothing at all would also have the appearance of not recognizing the UN's policy change, effectively promoting a pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian position. It doesn't seem outrageous that they should just stick with whatever is official. The UN is not some underground organization that has suddenly become legitimized because Google changed their references in accordance with one of their policies.



I seem to recall a Fark article a few months ago about Microsoft Windows getting rid of their time-zone map for similar reasons.  Two nations (or groups, even calling them "nations" sparks an argument) can't agree on what the name of a country is, or where the border is between two nations, or whether or not a nation even exists, and it becomes difficult to even report on the issue without giving the appearance of taking a side.

This isn't that article, but it touches on the same issue,
 
2013-05-03 09:34:01 PM
we got a thread coming about the airstrikes?
 
2013-05-03 09:38:46 PM

Tatsuma: Google is also a censorship tool of the Chinese and many other totalitarian regimes. So, who cares?


Why are you in this thread there are no dead civilians
 
2013-05-03 09:40:05 PM
And I give exactly zero farks about the Israelis or thePalestiniens either one. Call me back when they have oil.
 
2013-05-03 09:41:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: noitsnot: cameroncrazy1984: Thunderpipes: Rocket shooting terrorists deserve to get their own land?

Here I was working and being a law abiding citizen. Guess I was doing it wrong.

So you don't support Israel's right to exist then?

So, when did you stop beating your wife?

How is that a loaded question? Does Israel not use rockets?


Imagine this difference...... Self defense vs trying to kill civilians. Liberals don't see the difference, of course.

Imagine if Israel had the same moral compass as its terrorist neighbors, including the Palestinians? There would be nothing left of many countries in the Middle East. Israelis are good people, Palestinians are not, period.
 
2013-05-03 09:45:32 PM
Thunderpipes:

Imagine if Israel had the same moral compass as its terrorist neighbors, including the Palestinians? There would be nothing left of many countries in the Middle East. Israelis are good people, Palestinians are not, period.

Israel killed it's moral compass ~1980 years ago...
 
2013-05-03 09:54:11 PM

Thunderpipes: Israelis are good people, Palestinians are not, period.


Well, I'm glad we cleared that up.  Can you settle the other big debates like cat v dog, mayo v miracle whip, and cilantro: yeah or neigh? I mean with your word being absolute and whatnot.
 
2013-05-03 09:56:55 PM

George Babbitt: Thunderpipes:

Imagine if Israel had the same moral compass as its terrorist neighbors, including the Palestinians? There would be nothing left of many countries in the Middle East. Israelis are good people, Palestinians are not, period.

Israel killed it's moral compass ~1980 years ago...



Sounds more like the Romans.
 
2013-05-03 09:57:42 PM

Tatsuma: Google is also a censorship tool of the Chinese and many other totalitarian regimes. So, who cares?


Hey isn't this your FB profile pic??


www.fbastard.com
 
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