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2013-05-03 06:15:36 PM  

DocTravesty: JosephFinn: Good.  Now maybe Israel will stop practicing piracy on 'shoops headed toward Palestinian territorial waters.

FTFY


Since most of the shoop-da-woops in the region came from Iran, I think a bit of a blockade on them might be justified...
 
2013-05-03 06:15:40 PM  
Gerald Ford was originally named Leslie king.
 
2013-05-03 06:16:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: The Palestinian people have a right to their own self determination.


Yup, they've voted for the path of war.  War has consequences.  The path to peace is easy--quit shooting.

They can't do that, though--their whole economy is based around the aid they get for attacking Israel and for being a "victim".  Remove that and they would be far worse off than they are now.
 
2013-05-03 06:17:52 PM  

mayIFark: hasty ambush: mayIFark: Does that mean the paid shrills of IIDF will now tell us to Bing their propaganda instead of Googling it?

As opposed to the paid shills of Hamas and Hezbollah?

I don't know. Do American taxpayers foot their bills too?



Since the US sends aid to both Gaza and Lebanon, yes we do.
 
2013-05-03 06:18:28 PM  

DORMAMU: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.

Name one true scotsman.

William Wallace


I have it on good authority that he's Australian.

/actually he's from New York
 
2013-05-03 06:18:35 PM  
I'm willing to accept the United Nations as the canonical authority on what is a nation.
 
2013-05-03 06:19:25 PM  

Slesfo: Can I ask why you were gone? I heard one side of the story from a few Anti-Tatsuma folks, about you losing an embarrassing argument and then not coming back, but i would rather hear both sides, and decide from that.


Hahaha really? What a load of nonsense.

I posted intermittently in the last two years because I was just too busy and in a place without really any internet. I was getting up at the crack of dawn (literally) and studying/praying about 12-13 hours a day, I didn't have the energy to Fark around. Lots of people like to make shiat up about me, so I'm not surprised they'd say something like that.

I think the last time I posted before I came back was during the last spate of missiles falling in 2012, around what November?

mrlewish: Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.


I'm not the one who set these goalposts. Answer the question though.
 
2013-05-03 06:20:17 PM  

Tatsuma: So, who cares?


clearly you do, since you are so colon crucified over it
 
2013-05-03 06:20:32 PM  
If the people calling themselves Palestinians want their own country, they should talk to Egypt, Jordan, Syria, et al.

It was the wars started by those countries that lost their country, not Israel.
 
2013-05-03 06:20:45 PM  

Slesfo: goatleggedfellow: Tatsuma: Google is also a censorship tool of the Chinese and many other totalitarian regimes. So, who cares?

Except when it isn't.

They comply to their censorship demands or face expulsion. An argument could be made that they should accept expulsion, on ethical grounds, and an argument could be made that by complying they're still able to maintain a positive influence there.

The argument could go both ways really, and I'm not going to jump on one side of support or hate either way. I LOVE some of Google's products, and am very annoyed by others. Guess the world isn't a simple black and white place. Kinda wish it was.


True.
 
2013-05-03 06:20:47 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm willing to accept the United Nations as the canonical authority on what is a nation.


Then Israel in one, and Palestine doesn't quite qualify.
 
2013-05-03 06:21:57 PM  
They're just following the UN. Who cares.
 
2013-05-03 06:22:28 PM  

Slesfo: They comply to their censorship demands or face expulsion. An argument could be made that they should accept expulsion, on ethical grounds, and an argument could be made that by complying they're still able to maintain a positive influence there.

The argument could go both ways really, and I'm not going to jump on one side of support or hate either way. I LOVE some of Google's products, and am very annoyed by others. Guess the world isn't a simple black and white place. Kinda wish it was.


What positive influence, though? The reason google stays is not because they can help those people, but rather the millions if not billions they make thanks to also being present in their country, on the ground of 'Well, if not us, someone else'.

And I say that as someone who really likes and use Google products on a daily basis.
 
2013-05-03 06:23:10 PM  

rikkidoxx: There are no such people as Palestinians nor is there a country named Palestine. Name one, just one Palestinian king as an example. Those people euphemistically called Palestinians are actually from Jordan and that area.


Who was king (or president, prime minister, whatever) of Israel in 1931?
 
2013-05-03 06:24:02 PM  

give me doughnuts: mayIFark: hasty ambush: mayIFark: Does that mean the paid shrills of IIDF will now tell us to Bing their propaganda instead of Googling it?

As opposed to the paid shills of Hamas and Hezbollah?

I don't know. Do American taxpayers foot their bills too?


Since the US sends aid to both Gaza and Lebanon, yes we do.


We do to Hamas and Hizbullah?
 
2013-05-03 06:24:50 PM  
Whenever I read about the Palestine-Israeli disagreement, all I see is

It is..is not...is...is not..is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not.. is..is not...is...is not..


One big endless circle of hate that's f*cking never going to end because both sides are assholes.
 
2013-05-03 06:24:55 PM  

mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.


I can name an Emperor.
 
2013-05-03 06:26:18 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Who was king (or president, prime minister, whatever) of Israel in 1931?


We didn't have a prime minister in 1931. However, we had a country here and lived on that land for 2,000 years before Mohammed came to this earth and his troops invaded our country and colonized. We never left either, though a sizable portion of our population was exiled.

Your line of argument is quite ironic considering your call yourself 'Arcadian Refugee'
 
2013-05-03 06:26:50 PM  

This text is now purple: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

I can name an Emperor.


Yes, but did someone lob a scimitar at them?
 
2013-05-03 06:27:17 PM  

Tatsuma: Slesfo: They comply to their censorship demands or face expulsion. An argument could be made that they should accept expulsion, on ethical grounds, and an argument could be made that by complying they're still able to maintain a positive influence there.

The argument could go both ways really, and I'm not going to jump on one side of support or hate either way. I LOVE some of Google's products, and am very annoyed by others. Guess the world isn't a simple black and white place. Kinda wish it was.

What positive influence, though? The reason google stays is not because they can help those people, but rather the millions if not billions they make thanks to also being present in their country, on the ground of 'Well, if not us, someone else'.

And I say that as someone who really likes and use Google products on a daily basis.


Even though i don't have much of a stake in this defense, i'll push back a bit.

As a search engine company, their very existence presents a threat to the regimes. The state run alternative options are the only other options for the people there. It takes time for their censorship orders to go into effect, and so on.

I myself am still undecided, and i think i'll remain that way for a while. Which sucks, because having clear cut opinions on something is a lot more comfortable than being unsure.
 
2013-05-03 06:27:38 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm willing to accept the United Nations as the canonical authority on what is a nation.


So if you want to travel to Taiwan, you'll go about getting your visa from the Chinese consulate?

Good luck.
 
2013-05-03 06:28:19 PM  

Tatsuma: ArcadianRefugee: Who was king (or president, prime minister, whatever) of Israel in 1931?

We didn't have a prime minister in 1931. However, we had a country here and lived on that land for 2,000 years before Mohammed came to this earth and his troops invaded our country and colonized. We never left either, though a sizable portion of our population was exiled.

Your line of argument is quite ironic considering your call yourself 'Arcadian Refugee'


You're 2,000 years old?
 
2013-05-03 06:28:25 PM  
goatleggedfellow:

True.

What? No, this is Fark, you have to fight back!
 
2013-05-03 06:28:50 PM  
How about:

Palestine gives Israel all its land.
Israel gives all Palestinians full citizenship and equality.

One state, one people.

/ ducks
 
2013-05-03 06:28:51 PM  
"This change raises questions about the reasons behind this surprising involvement of what is basically a private internet company in international politics, and on the controversial side," Yigal Palmor, Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, told AFP news agency.

See, here's the thing: Google was in a bind in that anything would have appeared political. Doing nothing at all would also have the appearance of not recognizing the UN's policy change, effectively promoting a pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian position. It doesn't seem outrageous that they should just stick with whatever is official. The UN is not some underground organization that has suddenly become legitimized because Google changed their references in accordance with one of their policies.
 
2013-05-03 06:29:29 PM  

Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.


So they're not a country, just a group of people being driven off their common homeland. People defined by a common history and shared struggle that outsiders can't properly appreciate.

fark 'em. They can find somewhere else in the world to live.
 
2013-05-03 06:30:01 PM  

Slesfo: Even though i don't have much of a stake in this defense, i'll push back a bit.

As a search engine company, their very existence presents a threat to the regimes. The state run alternative options are the only other options for the people there. It takes time for their censorship orders to go into effect, and so on.

I myself am still undecided, and i think i'll remain that way for a while. Which sucks, because having clear cut opinions on something is a lot more comfortable than being unsure.


Oh for course. For me it's a bit more simple, and I tend to side with google because, at the end of the day, they are only a company and it's not their duty to actively help those in totalitarian countries. By being a search engine plagued by censorship in a dictatorship, they are just doing what others would be doing if they weren't there and they are not directly oppressing the government. Not being able to look up certain things on google doesn't equate, say, child or forced labor.
 
2013-05-03 06:30:20 PM  

give me doughnuts: mayIFark: hasty ambush: mayIFark: Does that mean the paid shrills of IIDF will now tell us to Bing their propaganda instead of Googling it?

As opposed to the paid shills of Hamas and Hezbollah?

I don't know. Do American taxpayers foot their bills too?


Since the US sends aid to both Gaza and Lebanon, yes we do.



Palestinians the largest per capita recipients of international development assistance in the world


Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the
mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed over $4 billion in bilateral assistance to the
Palestinians, who are among the world's largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid.
 
2013-05-03 06:31:47 PM  

mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-03 06:31:56 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: This text is now purple: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

I can name an Emperor.

Yes, but did someone lob a scimitar at them?


He owned a saber, so possibly.
 
2013-05-03 06:31:57 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: This text is now purple: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

I can name an Emperor.

Yes, but did someone lob a scimitar at them?


Didn't need to, he carried his own damn sword!
 
2013-05-03 06:34:20 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: ArcadianRefugee: Who was king (or president, prime minister, whatever) of Israel in 1931?

We didn't have a prime minister in 1931. However, we had a country here and lived on that land for 2,000 years before Mohammed came to this earth and his troops invaded our country and colonized. We never left either, though a sizable portion of our population was exiled.

Your line of argument is quite ironic considering your call yourself 'Arcadian Refugee'

You're 2,000 years old?


I don't know why he's making this argument. The Muslims had the land longer consecutively (under the Ottoman Empire), than the Jews did collectively, and the Jews haven't had it since the Greeks took it from them... more than 2000 years ago. This is kinda like arguing that I have the right to my late grandfather's stolen car even though it's been bought, sold, and modified a dozen times since, and the current owner has had it longer than he ever did.
 
2013-05-03 06:34:42 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: You're 2,000 years old?


No. I am 3,335 years old.

It was fate that delivered me and my contemporaries into this great era, when the Jews returned to and re-established their homeland. I am no longer a wandering Jew who migrates from country to country, from exile to exile. But all Jews in every generation must regard themselves as if they had been there, in previous generations, places, and events. Therefore, I am still a wandering Jew, but not along the far-flung paths of the world. Now I migrate through the expanses of time, from generation to generation, down the paths of memory.

Memory shortens distances.

Two hundred generations have passed since my people first came into being, and to me they seem like a few days.
Only two hundred generations have passed since a man named Abraham rose up and left his country and birthplace for the country that is today mine.
Only two hundred generations have elapsed from the day Abraham purchased the Cave of Makhpela in the city of Hebron to the murderous conflicts that have taken place there in my generation.
Only one hundred fifty generations have passed from the Pillar of Fire of the Exodus from Egypt to the pillars of smoke from the Holocaust.
And I, a descendant of Abraham, born in Abraham's country, have witnessed them all.

I was a slave in Egypt.
I received the Torah at Mount Sinai.
Together with Joshua and Elijah, I crossed the Jordan River.
I entered Jerusalem with David, was exiled from it with Zedekiah, and did not forget it by the rivers of Babylon.
When the Lord returned the captives of Zion, I dreamed among the builders of its ramparts.
I fought the Romans and was banished from Spain.
I was bound to the stake in Mainz.
I studied Torah in Yemen and lost my family in Kishinev.
I was incinerated in Treblinka, rebelled in Warsaw, and emigrated to the Land of Israel, the country when I had been exiled and where I had been born, from which I come and to which I return.

I am a wandering Jew who follows in the footsteps of his forebears, and just as I escorted them there and then, so do my forebears accompany me and stand here with me today.
 
2013-05-03 06:35:03 PM  

mrlewish: rikkidoxx: There are no such people as Palestinians nor is there a country named Palestine. Name one, just one Palestinian king as an example. Those people euphemistically called Palestinians are actually from Jordan and that area.

Name one King of the United States.


That's too easy.

www.zpub.com
 
2013-05-03 06:35:37 PM  

Slesfo: goatleggedfellow:

True.

What? No, this is Fark, you have to fight back!


Crap. I'm getting lazy on Friday. Let me go back and find some little bit of minutiae I disagree slightly with you on. I'll be back in 10 with a 6-paragraph rant with a link to some shiatty blog on geocities.
 
2013-05-03 06:38:30 PM  

Slesfo: I don't know why he's making this argument. The Muslims had the land longer consecutively (under the Ottoman Empire), than the Jews did collectively, and the Jews haven't had it since the Greeks took it from them... more than 2000 years ago. This is kinda like arguing that I have the right to my late grandfather's stolen car even though it's been bought, sold, and modified a dozen times since, and the current owner has had it longer than he ever did.


We lived under various occupiers in our land for the last 1877 years since the destruction of our Beit HaMikdash. Whether it was the Greeks, or the Romans, or the various Muslim empires fighting each others, we were still living on our land in and the year 5708, or 1948, we finally had our own state again, on the land we've lived, live and will continue to live on. Israel was, is, and will always be ours.

www.haaretz.com
 
2013-05-03 06:38:36 PM  

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: You're 2,000 years old?

No. I am 3,335 years old.

It was fate that delivered me and my contemporaries into this great era, when the Jews returned to and re-established their homeland. I am no longer a wandering Jew who migrates from country to country, from exile to exile. But all Jews in every generation must regard themselves as if they had been there, in previous generations, places, and events. Therefore, I am still a wandering Jew, but not along the far-flung paths of the world. Now I migrate through the expanses of time, from generation to generation, down the paths of memory.

Memory shortens distances.

Two hundred generations have passed since my people first came into being, and to me they seem like a few days.
Only two hundred generations have passed since a man named Abraham rose up and left his country and birthplace for the country that is today mine.
Only two hundred generations have elapsed from the day Abraham purchased the Cave of Makhpela in the city of Hebron to the murderous conflicts that have taken place there in my generation.
Only one hundred fifty generations have passed from the Pillar of Fire of the Exodus from Egypt to the pillars of smoke from the Holocaust.
And I, a descendant of Abraham, born in Abraham's country, have witnessed them all.

I was a slave in Egypt.
I received the Torah at Mount Sinai.
Together with Joshua and Elijah, I crossed the Jordan River.
I entered Jerusalem with David, was exiled from it with Zedekiah, and did not forget it by the rivers of Babylon.
When the Lord returned the captives of Zion, I dreamed among the builders of its ramparts.
I fought the Romans and was banished from Spain.
I was bound to the stake in Mainz.
I studied Torah in Yemen and lost my family in Kishinev.
I was incinerated in Treblinka, rebelled in Warsaw, and emigrated to the Land of Israel, the country when I had been exiled and where I had been born, from which I come and to which I return.

I am a wandering Jew who follow ...


The opening scroll text of the Assassin's Creed movie.
 
2013-05-03 06:38:49 PM  

give me doughnuts: BarkingUnicorn: I'm willing to accept the United Nations as the canonical authority on what is a nation.

Then Israel in one, and Palestine doesn't quite qualify.


O, bother all pedantic semanticists.

Along with the Holy See, Palestine is a "non-member observer state."  The UN calls it Palestine. A state is sovereign over its territory. A nation is a community that is independent of geographic boundaries.
 
2013-05-03 06:39:31 PM  
/imagines Jews wandering about with four bears.
 
2013-05-03 06:39:37 PM  

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: You're 2,000 years old?

No. I am 3,335 years old.

It was fate that delivered me and my contemporaries into this great era, when the Jews returned to and re-established their homeland. I am no longer a wandering Jew who migrates from country to country, from exile to exile. But all Jews in every generation must regard themselves as if they had been there, in previous generations, places, and events. Therefore, I am still a wandering Jew, but not along the far-flung paths of the world. Now I migrate through the expanses of time, from generation to generation, down the paths of memory.

Memory shortens distances.

Two hundred generations have passed since my people first came into being, and to me they seem like a few days.
Only two hundred generations have passed since a man named Abraham rose up and left his country and birthplace for the country that is today mine.
Only two hundred generations have elapsed from the day Abraham purchased the Cave of Makhpela in the city of Hebron to the murderous conflicts that have taken place there in my generation.
Only one hundred fifty generations have passed from the Pillar of Fire of the Exodus from Egypt to the pillars of smoke from the Holocaust.
And I, a descendant of Abraham, born in Abraham's country, have witnessed them all.

I was a slave in Egypt.
I received the Torah at Mount Sinai.
Together with Joshua and Elijah, I crossed the Jordan River.
I entered Jerusalem with David, was exiled from it with Zedekiah, and did not forget it by the rivers of Babylon.
When the Lord returned the captives of Zion, I dreamed among the builders of its ramparts.
I fought the Romans and was banished from Spain.
I was bound to the stake in Mainz.
I studied Torah in Yemen and lost my family in Kishinev.
I was incinerated in Treblinka, rebelled in Warsaw, and emigrated to the Land of Israel, the country when I had been exiled and where I had been born, from which I come and to which I return.

I am a wandering Jew who follow ...


C'mon, bro, cite. Everybody, that's former President of Israel, Ezer Weizmann
 
2013-05-03 06:40:01 PM  

Tatsuma: ArcadianRefugee: Who was king (or president, prime minister, whatever) of Israel in 1931?

We didn't have a prime minister in 1931. However, we had a country here and lived on that land for 2,000 years before Mohammed came to this earth and his troops invaded our country and colonized. We never left either, though a sizable portion of our population was exiled.

Your line of argument is quite ironic considering your call yourself 'Arcadian Refugee'


A question is not an argument, but I'll go that way.

paraphrase: we had a country lived there 2,000 years ago

So the answer is "there was no country named Israel". When Israel was formed in 1948, it was created so that the Jewish peoples had a place to call home, not because "[they] had a country here and lived on that land 2,000 years ago" (or 500, or even 100). So Jews deserve a place to call their own, but not those who call themselves Palestinians?

ironic considering your call yourself 'Arcadian Refugee'

If you say so, but I am not sure what my old Ars Magica character has to do with this.

rikkidoxx: There are no such people as Palestinians nor is there a country named Palestine. Name one, just one Palestinian king as an example.


'There are no such people as North Americans nor is there a country named North America. Name one, just one North American king as an example.'

(Yes, I am making fun of your first statement.)

If, in 1941, the Jewish people had started calling themselves "Israelis" in deference antiquity and in the hopes they would once again have a home of their own, would you have scoffed at and dismissed them, too?
 
2013-05-03 06:40:02 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.

Name one true scotsman.


chuckjonescenter.org
Angus McRory!
 
2013-05-03 06:40:24 PM  

Tatsuma: mrlewish: Name one King of the United States.

Name one head of state of the country of 'palestine' throughout history, then.


Kyle. He's pretty obscure. I am pretty sure you wouldn't have heard of him.
 
2013-05-03 06:40:33 PM  

Tatsuma: Israel was, is, and will always be ours.


I don't think so.
 
2013-05-03 06:40:47 PM  

Slesfo: C'mon, bro, cite. Everybody, that's former President of Israel, Ezer Weizmann


.... I wasn't pretending that was mine. I had that in my profile for like two years.  Yesterday I quoted the beatles without citing, was I pretending to be John Lennon?
 
2013-05-03 06:42:00 PM  
Judea ceased to exist when it was sacked by Rome in 70AD.

"Israel" is a fake country invented by the U.N.
 
2013-05-03 06:43:08 PM  

Tatsuma: Slesfo: I don't know why he's making this argument. The Muslims had the land longer consecutively (under the Ottoman Empire), than the Jews did collectively, and the Jews haven't had it since the Greeks took it from them... more than 2000 years ago. This is kinda like arguing that I have the right to my late grandfather's stolen car even though it's been bought, sold, and modified a dozen times since, and the current owner has had it longer than he ever did.

We lived under various occupiers in our land for the last 1877 years since the destruction of our Beit HaMikdash. Whether it was the Greeks, or the Romans, or the various Muslim empires fighting each others, we were still living on our land in and the year 5708, or 1948, we finally had our own state again, on the land we've lived, live and will continue to live on. Israel was, is, and will always be ours.

[www.haaretz.com image 640x370]


I see what you're saying, but we're talking about who has control of a nation, not where a group of people happened to live. Just because i live in an apartment for 20 years doesn't mean i suddenly get the right to own it again, even if i owned it years ago.
 
2013-05-03 06:43:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 'There are no such people as North Americans nor is there a country named North America. Name one, just one North American king as an example.'


George VI of Canada.

Depending on how you count it, possibly Willem-Alexander of Netherlands.
 
2013-05-03 06:43:46 PM  

Tatsuma: Slesfo: C'mon, bro, cite. Everybody, that's former President of Israel, Ezer Weizmann

.... I wasn't pretending that was mine. I had that in my profile for like two years.  Yesterday I quoted the beatles without citing, was I pretending to be John Lennon?


I would say, Yes.
 
2013-05-03 06:44:59 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: So the answer is "there was no country named Israel". When Israel was formed in 1948, it was created so that the Jewish peoples had a place to call home, not because "[they] had a country here and lived on that land 2,000 years ago" (or 500, or even 100). So Jews deserve a place to call their own, but not those who call themselves Palestinians?


We had a Kingdom called the Kingdom of Israel for more than 800 years. Not only did we have a country, but I can literally go ahead and name all of the Kings who ruled over it, the currency, the wars we fought, those we won, those we lost, and so on.

The modern state of Israel is only a continuation of this, not a brand new invention. It's just that the Grace of G-d let us rebuild for ourselves our country and, G-d willing, the Third Temple and welcoming Mashiach soon as well

ArcadianRefugee: If, in 1941, the Jewish people had started calling themselves "Israelis" in deference antiquity and in the hopes they would once again have a home of their own, would you have scoffed at and dismissed them, too?


There were a lot of Palestinian clubs in 1941. You had Palestine Airways, the Palestine Post, you had movies about Proud Palestinians trying to win their land back, you had Palestinian groups on all major American campuses in 1941.

Then Palestine Airways because El Al, the Palestine Post became the Jerusalem Post, and that Proud Palestinian fighter was Ari Ben-Canaan in the movie Exodus, and the Palestinian clubs and groups became Zionist and Israeli groups and clubs.

Until the 1960s, if you had called an Arab 'Palestinian', he would have spit at you for daring calling him a Jew.
 
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