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2013-05-03 03:07:55 PM  
8 votes:

Aarontology: Why do all these school prayer people feel the need to force Jews to commit apostasy?


Arrogance.  They are certain that they, alone, understand the word and have all the answers.  It's the sin of pride.
2013-05-03 02:59:57 PM  
8 votes:
Morrison said attendance was not mandatory, and students could have stayed in classrooms if they wanted.
The lawsuit claims otherwise, citing an email Frazier sent to teachers before the senior class assembly on April 9. It also says students were prevented by a school security officer from leaving.


Oh for F*ck's sake.  Whether or not those servile f*ckwits in the Senior Class volunteered to do it, whether or not their church was "officially" involved (and I'd wager they certainly encouraged it if not instructing the kids to do it, since this type of "witnessing" is an integral part of the Evangelical faith), you can't do this shiat.

Seriously, The South - WTF is WRONG with you?
2013-05-03 06:27:45 PM  
7 votes:

doglover: Weaver95: doglover: Weaver95: f*ck this.  how do I become a pagan?  is there some sort of rite or ceremony?

It's easy. Just go to Hati and follow the priest's instructions.

that's voodoo, not paganism.

pa·gan
/ˈpāgən/
Noun
A person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.


If voodoo mainstream now?


all poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.  'pagan' is a pretty specific term and denotes a celtic or Mediterranean pantheon (or simply worshiping the God and Goddess).  Voodoo is more centered on south american and/or Caribbean tradtiions and beliefs and incorporates (or outright kidnaps) some christian saints and concepts.  so while I suppose that from one perspective you could say that any religion NOT christian is 'pagan', that like saying unix is exactly like OS/390 because neither operating system is Windows.  technically true, but also very inaccurate.
2013-05-03 06:39:15 PM  
4 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Bring in the Muslim clerics and let the students decide for themselves.


might as well invite the jews, pagans and atheists while you're at it.  you let one group in, you damn well let ALL of 'em in.
2013-05-03 05:40:34 PM  
4 votes:
Jesus is of absolutely no use unless you plan on following his teachings.  In fact these actions are in direct violation of the teachings of Jesus.  It was He who said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Ceaser's.  Render unto God that which is God's".  And they're doing it for the sole purpose that Matthew 6:6 rails against.

For shame.
2013-05-03 02:46:40 PM  
4 votes:
Why do all these school prayer people feel the need to force Jews to commit apostasy?
2013-05-03 09:16:01 PM  
3 votes:

Cyberluddite: Jon iz teh kewl: Jesus must be like a flaming homo by now

Dude lived with 12 other guys, he thought nothing of kissing them affectionately, and he liked to wash other guys' feet.  You do the math.


Drank wine. Bummed around with fishermen and enjoyed the company of prostitutes as well.

now I get it. Men. Women. Wine.

freddie mercury was the second coming
2013-05-03 07:10:57 PM  
3 votes:

IntertubeUser: The only way for these Theocrats to learn an appreciation for the separation of church and state is if we can start bankrupting school districts and municipalities.  Maybe when there's a price tag associated with proselytizing, they'll cease ramming their bullshiat superstition down everyone's throats.


Or taxing the churches.

/knows it will never happen
2013-05-03 07:08:40 PM  
3 votes:
The only way for these Theocrats to learn an appreciation for the separation of church and state is if we can start bankrupting school districts and municipalities.  Maybe when there's a price tag associated with proselytizing, they'll cease ramming their bullshiat superstition down everyone's throats.
2013-05-03 06:54:24 PM  
3 votes:
After you've danced naked around a bonfire under the full moon while loaded up on beer and weed, Jesus just doesn't cut it, anymore.
2013-05-03 06:38:09 PM  
3 votes:
Bring in the Muslim clerics and let the students decide for themselves.
2013-05-03 05:55:02 PM  
3 votes:
I didn't grow up in the South, but if this kind of thing had gone on at my high school, there would have been two types of reactions from the vast majority of the 14-18 year olds in the student body: 1) some of the kids would have openly ridiculed them, and 2) the rest would have avoided the "weird churchees."  Church was for an hour on Sunday where I grew up.

Maybe this kind of thing is "cool" in the South.  Maybe it is just that everything is a little different 20 years later.  But I have to wonder whether the participants in these types of events are hoping for ridicule to feed their Christian persecution complex.
2013-05-04 02:28:13 AM  
2 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Maybe this kind of thing is "cool" in the South.


It's cool in evangelical circles.   They're all about showing off how pious they are to everyone else in the congregation.   You know, exactly how Christians are explicitly told NOT to behave in Matthew 6.
2013-05-03 11:42:07 PM  
2 votes:
PS: I like how the atheist group totally slides past suing the school itself and sues the Principal personally. That way, he cannot hide behind any school board or teachers union nor use their powerful legal staffs. Nor WHEN he loses, the school isn't left having to pay the bill because of one fundie jerkoff. It's all on him.
2013-05-03 09:34:10 PM  
2 votes:

Popular Opinion: Christian Bale: aren't there any Christians who will stand up and call out this bullshiat?

Seriously, is it actually even possible to be Christian and respect the separation of church and state? I'm just wondering, because i've never heard a person say "I'm Christian and I think school prayer and and that crap is total crap and I'm glad it's not allowed because it shouldn't be"

instead you only hear "we're so oppressed! we can't flex our majority-number muscles at all times! boo hoo!"

So Christians, prove me wrong and please state your opposition to school prayer loud and clear. thank you.

well, i am not a christian, so i don't count, but i don't think people that waste time talking about god are much worse than the people that waste time bashing god.

does anyone care what a bunch of talking monkeys think?


The atheists aren't waking me up at 5 in the morning to tell me I'm going to spend eternity burning in hell because I don't kowtow to God 24/7. They're not the ones oppressing people who are attracted to others with the same genitals. They're not the ones demanding America start writing laws and doctrine based on 2,000-year-old fairy tales and to make Christianity the official religion of a country founded on NO religion being held higher than any other.
2013-05-03 09:27:07 PM  
2 votes:
You can teach religion in school when I can teach physics in church.
2013-05-03 06:44:50 PM  
2 votes:

doglover: Weaver95: 'pagan' is a pretty specific term

Number one in Websters baby:
pagan
1: heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)

That's a big umbrella you've got there and how it's used by Wiccans, Druids, and every other fringe religion I've met. Pagan in the catch all term for everything that's not Abrahmic or Buddhism.


interesting use of the term 'fringe'....
2013-05-03 06:40:26 PM  
2 votes:
Weaver95:

I think i'll walk down that list, see if any groups listed are still active.

and I'll pass on the voodoo.  I know someone who follows that path.  she's got issues.



I don't blame you.  But if you ever find a group composed entirely of people without issues, please let me know.
2013-05-03 06:25:03 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: doglover: Weaver95: f*ck this.  how do I become a pagan?  is there some sort of rite or ceremony?

It's easy. Just go to Hati and follow the priest's instructions.

that's voodoo, not paganism.


PA pagan directory has a list of pagan groups in your area.

(Voodoo has better toys and weirder symbols, but it's less likely to get you laid.  Depends on what you want from a religion, I guess.)
2013-05-03 06:04:14 PM  
2 votes:

doglover: Weaver95: f*ck this.  how do I become a pagan?  is there some sort of rite or ceremony?

It's easy. Just go to Hati and follow the priest's instructions.


that's voodoo, not paganism.
2013-05-04 08:22:56 PM  
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: do you think the steubenville rapists and other "kids" who thought that sick crap was funny have any faith?
do you think that they believe they will be punished for eternity even if they get away with that bullship legally?
i don't believe in any of the religious dogma, but religion is a vehicle for instilling morals. jmo
i think the recent incidents in the news are a good indication of how pitiful today's parents seem to be at raising their offspring. with many exceptions, of course.


Funny, I'm atheist from a line of atheists and I know all about morals. Humans also knew about morality long before they created gods. If you need the threat of eternal punishment in order to be a good person, maybe you're not as moral as you think you are.
2013-05-04 04:32:14 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Modern day Pharisees.


I made the same observation in another thread.
2013-05-04 04:30:04 AM  
1 votes:

clyph: Three Crooked Squirrels: Maybe this kind of thing is "cool" in the South.

It's cool in evangelical circles.   They're all about showing off how pious they are to everyone else in the congregation.   You know, exactly how Christians are explicitly told NOT to behave in Matthew 6.


Modern day Pharisees.
2013-05-04 12:00:19 AM  
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: well, i am not a christian, so i don't count, but i don't think people that waste time talking about god are much worse than the people that waste time bashing god.
does anyone care what a bunch of talking monkeys think?


Yes, we care and so should you. The main problem that people have about the ones 'talking about God' is not so much what they are doing but rather where they are doing it. They have an uncanny knack of picking the most inappropriate venue to start pontificating and espousing their beliefs. Like SCHOOLS and TOWN HALL MEETINGS. Places where there are well known strict rules and guidelines about such discussions that are grossly ignored by these people. Then it hits the news, yet again. Then the ACLU or Peoples United have to get involved, yet again. And it becomes so commonplace that people just start saying 'Farking Christians' (just like people saying 'Farking Muslims') in general rather then calling out the specific group. If they did this in a private school, at their own summer camp, in their own churches, in their own homes, etc; No one would give a fark, but they are not. Hence all the commotion and panty twisting.

Question for the more aggressively religious out there:


Do you really want The State to teach religion to your child?


/MT 6:1-15
2013-05-03 11:39:55 PM  
1 votes:
Is there some secret competition held amongst Principals across the country to compete for the title of Biggest Douchebag Principal of the Year?

"And the winner for "Most Obvious Violation of the Separation of Church and State" goes to............"
2013-05-03 10:00:38 PM  
1 votes:
Do churches in the south not have Sunday school? Why can't kids learn about Jesus then?
2013-05-03 09:55:05 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: coeyagi: They are in the South, or did you fail to catch the gist of the rest of my statement.

F in reading comprehension for you, mongo.

Do you know how I know you have no clue about "The South"?

Hint: Tennessee is considered a "Yankee" state to the rest of the South, stemming from the Civil War and it's actions during.

Christian Bale: aren't there any Christians who will stand up and call out this bullshiat?

See "Americans United for Seperation of Church and State"

Clemkadidlefark: God Haters Spread Their Message of Hate and Hopelessness™

People, this is the prime example of someone so intellectually compromised and limited that they cannot fathom any other reason why someone would not believe the same they do than "They just hate my God"


Do you know how you don't know what the fark you are talking about? How many god damn inbred theofascistvlegislative proposals from TN have graced Fark recently? Lots.
2013-05-03 09:52:20 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: coeyagi: They are in the South, or did you fail to catch the gist of the rest of my statement.

F in reading comprehension for you, mongo.

Do you know how I know you have no clue about "The South"?

Hint: Tennessee is considered a "Yankee" state to the rest of the South, stemming from the Civil War and it's actions during.

Christian Bale: aren't there any Christians who will stand up and call out this bullshiat?

See "Americans United for Seperation of Church and State"

Clemkadidlefark: God Haters Spread Their Message of Hate and Hopelessness™

People, this is the prime example of someone so intellectually compromised and limited that they cannot fathom any other reason why someone would not believe the same they do than "They just hate my God"


The American Humanist Association is not, as the article falesly states, an "atheist" organization - in includes Quakers, unitarians, and many other non-sectarian people of faith. Indeed, many of the people who oppose the conflation of church and state are people of faith - but the "martyr" types like to pretend that any and all objections to their dominionist machinations are "God-hating atheists".
Just more bullshiat from the bullshiatters.
2013-05-03 09:41:57 PM  
1 votes:

coeyagi: They are in the South, or did you fail to catch the gist of the rest of my statement.

F in reading comprehension for you, mongo.


Do you know how I know you have no clue about "The South"?

Hint: Tennessee is considered a "Yankee" state to the rest of the South, stemming from the Civil War and it's actions during.

Christian Bale: aren't there any Christians who will stand up and call out this bullshiat?


See "Americans United for Seperation of Church and State"

Clemkadidlefark: God Haters Spread Their Message of Hate and Hopelessness™


People, this is the prime example of someone so intellectually compromised and limited that they cannot fathom any other reason why someone would not believe the same they do than "They just hate my God"
2013-05-03 09:23:30 PM  
1 votes:
What part of "separation of church and state" do these idiots not understand?

You also have churches for the Jesus thing, stop trying to force it on the schools.
2013-05-03 08:54:49 PM  
1 votes:

Albertan: Did anyone here actually read the article? Your all coming down with the vapors over a non-story. You're like a bunch of Bible-bashers freaking out over Rock and Roll devil music in the 70's.
This is just the American Humanist organization over-reacting to make a point. Nothing more. RTFA

Pushy American evangelicals and frothing, nutbag, American secularists (if you think aren't just read the crap you've posted above with the identities switched) constantly biatch-fighting and out-douching each other, is why I'm glad I'm a Canadian.


as i said in my Boobies, it isnt a rare occurrence that you see Baptist focused school activities, it is a daily push to convert or get out

i am not joking, i had many friends who where so bullied and treated like trash by the "Christians" that they had to drop out and get there GED's at the local Jr. College
2013-05-03 08:50:06 PM  
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: are these the atheists who claim to be more charitible than christians who volunteer at outreach centers, but don't lift a finger to help the poor?


No, they're the Christians with the 9000 member mega churches who put their money in gyms and recreation centers who claim to be more charitable.
2013-05-03 08:49:01 PM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: I didn't grow up in the South, but if this kind of thing had gone on at my high school, there would have been two types of reactions from the vast majority of the 14-18 year olds in the student body: 1) some of the kids would have openly ridiculed them, and 2) the rest would have avoided the "weird churchees."  Church was for an hour on Sunday where I grew up.

Maybe this kind of thing is "cool" in the South.  Maybe it is just that everything is a little different 20 years later.  But I have to wonder whether the participants in these types of events are hoping for ridicule to feed their Christian persecution complex.


i did grow up and go to highschool in the south ( in Clinton, MS about 10 miles away from this school)

imagine being part of the religious minority in High School, and every morning the school has a big prayer circle with the students and teachers, every prep rally is a thinly valid revival, and 1/2 the school assembles are built around "With God and Jesus by my side", when you comment on your non-aberhamic faith you end up with a trip to the councilors office for being a "Disruptive Influence" because you dared question the glory of God

and to top it all, our graduation had 3 baptist preacher lead prayers instead of allowing any students speak
2013-05-03 08:33:04 PM  
1 votes:

sabreWulf07: AbbeySomeone: pxlboy: ShawnDoc: pxlboy: I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.

Say goodbye to the sun.  Also, on youtube search for "almost live seattle" for a good guide on what to expect and how to fit in.

It gets to 100 degrees by the end of May or early June here in Atlanta. I'm looking forward to not seeing the sun; I've had quite enough of it.

Today is absolutely beautiful here!

Yea, don't tell anyone else but it's actually blue skies and 72 out right now, going to be a gorgeous weekend.


Isn't the phrase "It's a sunny day in Seattle" the usual way to begin a really nasty Shadowrun campaign?
2013-05-03 08:26:40 PM  
1 votes:

Albertan: Did anyone here actually read the article? Your all coming down with the vapors over a non-story. You're like a bunch of Bible-bashers freaking out over Rock and Roll devil music in the 70's.
This is just the American Humanist organization over-reacting to make a point. Nothing more. RTFA

Pushy American evangelicals and frothing, nutbag, American secularists (if you think aren't just read the crap you've posted above with the identities switched) constantly biatch-fighting and out-douching each other, is why I'm glad I'm a Canadian.



One group is bad for illegally forcing students to attend religious services against their will and the other group is equally bad for telling them to stop breaking the law?

OK.  Interesting equation.
2013-05-03 07:48:41 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.


I did the same thing about five years ago.  It was the best thing I've ever done.

I'd trade drizzle and overcast for balls-hot eight months out of the year.  And the beer is WAYYYYYY better up here than anywhere in "The South."

The South:  A Good Place to Be FROM!
2013-05-03 07:38:56 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: FloydA: ShawnDoc: pxlboy: I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.

Say goodbye to the sun.  Also, on youtube search for "almost live seattle" for a good guide on what to expect and how to fit in.

[i105.photobucket.com image 519x389]
Photo taken in Seattle roughly 2 minutes ago.

(Also, Almost Live has been off the air for 20 years.)

Seattle is gorgeous from what I've seen. There is so much I am looking forward to.


i105.photobucket.com
This is what my morning commute looks like.
2013-05-03 07:25:01 PM  
1 votes:

AbbeySomeone: pxlboy: ShawnDoc: pxlboy: I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.

Say goodbye to the sun.  Also, on youtube search for "almost live seattle" for a good guide on what to expect and how to fit in.

It gets to 100 degrees by the end of May or early June here in Atlanta. I'm looking forward to not seeing the sun; I've had quite enough of it.

Today is absolutely beautiful here!


Yea, don't tell anyone else but it's actually blue skies and 72 out right now, going to be a gorgeous weekend.

ATTENTION NON-LOCALS: Seattle is a drab, grey, rain-soaked, angst- and coffee- fueled downer, just like you imagine.  Attempt no landing here.
2013-05-03 07:24:57 PM  
1 votes:
I kinda wish I'd had the courage to lay the legal smackdown at the high school I attended my senior year when they brought what'shisbucket with the brother-in-the-car-accident story where he somehow blamed atheism and porn.  Seriously, the guy even started out his speech with "I know I'm not supposed to preach in a public school, but..."

...and then proceeded to preach in a public school.

/Worst part was when he was all "if you're ready to follow the 'right' path, come down here and shake my hand" and I was sitting in the bleachers wondering what my classmates were going to do to me.
//It wasn't a comfortable school to be out of either of the closets I was in at the time (nontheist and lesbian).
2013-05-03 07:15:49 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: IntertubeUser: The only way for these Theocrats to learn an appreciation for the separation of church and state is if we can start bankrupting school districts and municipalities.  Maybe when there's a price tag associated with proselytizing, they'll cease ramming their bullshiat superstition down everyone's throats.

Nope, it'll just feed into their persecution complex.


Everything feeds into their persecution complex. Hell, even when the Christians (in the form of the Catholic Church) ruled Europe with an unquestionable iron fist they invented persecutors.
2013-05-03 07:03:22 PM  
1 votes:

grimlock1972: How many of these lawsuits have to be filed and won/settled before the schools in the south cut this shiat out?


I don't think they're really capable of learning from their mistakes.
2013-05-03 06:57:49 PM  
1 votes:
"It was not based on any church or any religion," said Morrison
But Jesus was the only option, huh?

It's The Blues Brothers come to life.
"What kind of music do you usually have here?"
"Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western."
2013-05-03 06:55:37 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: pxlboy: I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.

Say goodbye to the sun.  Also, on youtube search for "almost live seattle" for a good guide on what to expect and how to fit in.


It gets to 100 degrees by the end of May or early June here in Atlanta. I'm looking forward to not seeing the sun; I've had quite enough of it.
2013-05-03 06:54:29 PM  
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: chubby boy who wears stupid necklaces and smells of *herb*


This describes ALL priests worldwide.
2013-05-03 06:53:10 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: doglover: Weaver95: 'pagan' is a pretty specific term

Number one in Websters baby:
pagan
1: heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)

That's a big umbrella you've got there and how it's used by Wiccans, Druids, and every other fringe religion I've met. Pagan in the catch all term for everything that's not Abrahmic or Buddhism.

interesting use of the term 'fringe'....


Christianity 2,200,000,000
Islam 1,750,000,000
Buddhism 1,200,000,000
Judaism 13,400,000

There's only so many people on Earth. Top estimates for Wicca place it in and around 1,000,000 people at the highest. Wicca is the most widely accepted pagan religion. Fringe is an accurate term, I'd say. Although I'd like to see it and some of the older polytheistic ones more mainstream.
2013-05-03 06:41:42 PM  
1 votes:
pxlboy:

I'm escaping to Seattle next year if all goes well; can't wait to get out of the south.

Let me know when you get here; I'll buy you a pint.
2013-05-03 06:29:06 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Weaver95: doglover: Weaver95: f*ck this.  how do I become a pagan?  is there some sort of rite or ceremony?

It's easy. Just go to Hati and follow the priest's instructions.

that's voodoo, not paganism.

PA pagan directory has a list of pagan groups in your area.

(Voodoo has better toys and weirder symbols, but it's less likely to get you laid.  Depends on what you want from a religion, I guess.)


I think i'll walk down that list, see if any groups listed are still active.

and I'll pass on the voodoo.  I know someone who follows that path.  she's got issues.
2013-05-03 05:41:00 PM  
1 votes:
f*ck this.  how do I become a pagan?  is there some sort of rite or ceremony?
2013-05-03 05:00:22 PM  
1 votes:
Meh, school should just apologize and stop doing it, and the atheists should be ok with that.
2013-05-03 02:54:32 PM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: Jesus must be like a flaming homo by now


Dude lived with 12 other guys, he thought nothing of kissing them affectionately, and he liked to wash other guys' feet.  You do the math.
 
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