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(Salon)   The US added 165,000 jobs in April, far outpacing expectations, and the unemployment rate fell to 7.5 percent. Oh, and the February and March numbers were revised up, too. Thanks, Obama   (salon.com) divider line 157
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2013-05-03 10:05:22 AM
well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!
 
2013-05-03 10:12:24 AM
Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.
 
2013-05-03 10:15:55 AM

Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.


I heard he drowned them in a bathtub
 
2013-05-03 10:27:14 AM

Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.


LOL
 
2013-05-03 10:27:38 AM

Aarontology: Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.

I heard he drowned them in a bathtub


With his bare hands.  All of them.

The bathtub job killer!
 
2013-05-03 11:05:54 AM
the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.
 
2013-05-03 12:10:00 PM
I could sure use a raise

/the price of cat food has gone up
 
2013-05-03 02:08:37 PM
Obama: "See? My policies work."

House: "See? Obstructing Obama at every turn has led to improved jobs growth."

Senate: "We don't have the 60 votes to decide if we like this news or not."

American people: "Congress has done nothing. You guys are a bunch of f*cking wankers. But we like our guy."

House: "I rest my case."
 
2013-05-03 02:11:08 PM
President Gingrich would have had 100,000 jobs created by now.

ON THE MOON.
 
2013-05-03 02:18:39 PM
History's greatest munster.
 
2013-05-03 02:21:13 PM

JolobinSmokin: History's greatest munster.


icecreamhasnobones.com

not even close.
 
2013-05-03 02:22:20 PM
If Romney were president, we'd have added at least a million full-time jobs in each of the past four months, and they all would have paid over $200,000. Thanks a lot, Fartbongo.
 
2013-05-03 02:25:12 PM
Yeah but they're not using the U-1648/i numbers from the deep south industrial survey of widget manufacturers so these numbers don't mean anything.  Actual unemployment is -478!%
 
2013-05-03 02:27:51 PM

Fizpez: Yeah but they're not using the U-1648/i numbers from the deep south industrial survey of widget manufacturers so these numbers don't mean anything.  Actual unemployment is -478!%


thank you
clearly you are in before the U-X people
:D
 
2013-05-03 02:29:21 PM
www.blogcdn.com
Would you like fries with those job figures?
 
2013-05-03 02:32:25 PM
And they would be better too, if not for the sequester.
 
2013-05-03 02:34:59 PM
I eagerly await the day when no one says, "In these tough economic times," anymore. The stock market has been at a higher level than before the bubble popped. Home prices have recovered. It's been half a decade since the collapse.
The only reason unemployment was so high for so long is because companies got into the "We don't need as many workers if we make the ones we have work even harder," cycle. Hopefully we're coming out of that and they are realizing that quality is directly related to the attitudes of the workers.
I say this waiting for the bad news about to come down from my company. We're either headed for another retirement buyout package (we just had one 3 years ago, our average age/experience level is going to be cut in about half if they do this) or layoffs. Or both.
 
2013-05-03 02:36:54 PM

Minarets: And they would be better too, if not for the sequester.


The major effects of the sequester hasn't really hit, to be honest with you. A lot of the unions representing federal workers need a month of notice prior to the start of furloughs so the furloughs would've only started to come into effect just now (like the potential, now averted, FAA furloughs).
 
2013-05-03 02:39:08 PM
165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.
 
2013-05-03 02:40:49 PM

FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!


His excellent economic policies were just the thing to pull us out of the Obama recession.
 
2013-05-03 02:42:35 PM
You farking gloating liberals have completely missed the point. The economy may be improving, but that means farkall. Sure, we may have told you that was important last year, before the election, but that's only because Americans are stupid. And it worked for Clinton, so we gave it a shot.
This isn't about whether or not you have a job, or if you can feed your family. Like I said, that means farkall. This is about freedom. Caving in to these liberals now is renouncing the sacrifice of all those who were at Valley Forge. It means their suffering was for nothing. It means the heroes of Fort McHenry withstood the shelling of the British fleet for nothing. You farking people have traded their gifts for nothing.
At the end of the Revolutionary War, the landowners stiffed the Minutemen of their pay. Did the Minutemen complain? Well, yes, but only a little. Because they knew they had their freedom, and that's more than a job would ever be worth. Except to you farkers. Traitors.
 
2013-05-03 02:43:02 PM

Minarets: And they would be better too, if not for the sequester.


MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH !!!!!
lol
 
2013-05-03 02:43:32 PM

HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.


except it was...
 
2013-05-03 02:46:19 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I could sure use a raise

/the price of cat food has gone up


An' as if all that shait wasn't enough
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
 
2013-05-03 02:46:35 PM
Just imagine how many jobs could be created if the private sector wanted to increase revenues by way of economic growth.
 
2013-05-03 02:51:36 PM

WhyteRaven74: Just imagine how many jobs could be created if the private sector wanted to increase revenues by way of economic growth.


I wish people would put their own money at risk to benefit me.  I don't want to put any of my own money at risk though.
 
2013-05-03 02:52:02 PM

Whistling Kitty Chaser: FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!

His excellent economic policies were just the thing to pull us out of the Obama recession.


According to the email I got from Tea Party Nation this morning, it's not a recession, it's not an economic downturn, it's a full-fledged OBAMA DEPRESSION.
 
2013-05-03 02:54:15 PM

GWSuperfan: Whistling Kitty Chaser: FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!

His excellent economic policies were just the thing to pull us out of the Obama recession.

According to the email I got from Tea Party Nation this morning, it's not a recession, it's not an economic downturn, it's a full-fledged OBAMA DEPRESSION.


It's a pretty sucky depression if unemployment is going down.

Obama can't even do THAT right!
 
2013-05-03 02:55:39 PM

NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?


Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the foodservices industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industryadded an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. InApril, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) andin health and personal care stores (+5,000)."So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:
"The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrollsdecreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."
Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.
 
2013-05-03 02:57:18 PM

HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.


It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that
 
2013-05-03 02:57:25 PM

syberpud: NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?

Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the food services industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.

Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industry added an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. In April, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) and in health and personal care stores (+5,000)."

So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:

"The average work week for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls decreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."

Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.


D'oh - fixed
/need to preview better
 
2013-05-03 02:58:43 PM
And yet total unemployment, U6, went up in April to 14.1% from 13.9% in March.
 
2013-05-03 02:59:08 PM

bdub77: Obama: "See? My policies work."

House: "See? Obstructing Obama at every turn has led to improved jobs growth."

Senate: "We don't have the 60 votes to decide if we like this news or not."

American people: "Congress has done nothing. You guys are a bunch of f*cking wankers. But we like our guy."

House: "I rest my case."


25.media.tumblr.com

(except "you made me sad", but yeah)
 
2013-05-03 02:59:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: GWSuperfan: Whistling Kitty Chaser: FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!

His excellent economic policies were just the thing to pull us out of the Obama recession.

According to the email I got from Tea Party Nation this morning, it's not a recession, it's not an economic downturn, it's a full-fledged OBAMA DEPRESSION.

It's a pretty sucky depression if unemployment is going down.

Obama can't even do THAT right!


That raises an interesting question for people who think Obama is a terrible president: is there anything he can do well? Like, can he do a good job of being a craptastic president?
 
2013-05-03 03:00:26 PM

syberpud: NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?

Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the foodservices industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industryadded an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. InApril, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) andin health and personal care stores (+5,000)."So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:
"The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrollsdecreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."
Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.


So basically we're looking at 165,000 minimum wage, no-benefit 28-hours-a-week "jobs" at Mickey Dee's, Wal-Mart and supermarkets.

Yeah, that'll totally grow us back to prosperity.
 
2013-05-03 03:04:16 PM
It's funny that Obama supporters think that Obama should get credit for the economy "improving" eventhough there hasn't been any plan Obama has wanted passed in over 2 years.

Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.
 
2013-05-03 03:08:35 PM

MugzyBrown: Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.


Funny'd.
 
2013-05-03 03:11:03 PM

FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.


Or to have a 401k.
 
2013-05-03 03:12:12 PM
Look, obviously the job numbers are going to improve, because employers are cutting back everyone's hours so they don't have to pay for Obamacare.  You hire more people, but work them less hours.  Duh.

/Not really
 
2013-05-03 03:12:38 PM

MugzyBrown: It's funny that Obama supporters think that Obama should get credit for the economy "improving" eventhough there hasn't been any plan Obama has wanted passed in over 2 years.

Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.


yeah, remember the sequester was going to kill jobs and people would stop hiring because they lost confidence?
oh, and clamping down on out of control spending was also going to hurt the job market.
 
2013-05-03 03:14:16 PM

FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy...


or to have a 401k, or an IRA, or a pension, or any stock
 
2013-05-03 03:14:26 PM

Stone Meadow: syberpud: NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?

Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the foodservices industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industryadded an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. InApril, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) andin health and personal care stores (+5,000)."So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:
"The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrollsdecreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."
Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.

So basically we're looking at 165,000 minimum wage, no-benefit 28-hours-a-week "jobs" at Mickey Dee's, Wal-Mart and supermarkets.

Yeah, that'll totally grow us back to prosperity.


If you look at the breakdown of the unemployed in this country, a large chunk of the folks without jobs have limited education. Employment among the college educated is much better than the national average. People with only a high school diploma are not going to land a $100k job in finance or engineering. The fact that retail and service industries are expanding employment means that a) the nation is spending enough money to require more labor and b) the spending power of the lower rungs of the economic ladder is increasing.
 
2013-05-03 03:17:19 PM

max_pooper: Stone Meadow: syberpud: NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?

Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the foodservices industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industryadded an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. InApril, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) andin health and personal care stores (+5,000)."So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:
"The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrollsdecreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."
Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.

So basically we're looking at 165,000 minimum wage, no-benefit 28-hours-a-week "jobs" at Mickey Dee's, Wal-Mart and supermarkets.

Yeah, that'll totally grow us back to prosperity.

If you look at the breakdown of the unemployed in this country, a large chunk of the folks without jobs have limited education. Employment among the college educated is much better than the national average. People with only a high school diploma are not going to land a $100k job in finance or engineering. The fact that retail and service industries are expanding employment means that a) the nation is spending enough money to require more labor and b) the spending power of the lower rungs of the economic ladder is increasing.


Plus, wealth actually tickles up, so lower income having more money to spends is what is going to fuel the recovery.
 
2013-05-03 03:18:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy...

or to have a 401k, or an IRA, or a pension, or any stock


Crap. We actually agree with each other here. Stop that!
 
2013-05-03 03:18:47 PM
ha57.foxnews.com

"Socialism is good. Socialism is right. Socialism works."
 
2013-05-03 03:19:56 PM

Mad_Radhu: Plus, wealth actually tickles up, so lower income having more money to spends is what is going to fuel the recovery.


Oh yeah, aggregate demand or something.

People just don't want stuff right now.  I swear, I read it somewhere.  People haven't wanted to buy anything for years.
 
2013-05-03 03:23:16 PM

MugzyBrown: Mad_Radhu: Plus, wealth actually tickles up, so lower income having more money to spends is what is going to fuel the recovery.

Oh yeah, aggregate demand or something.

People just don't want stuff right now.  I swear, I read it somewhere.  People haven't wanted to buy anything for years.


It must be cushy under that bridge
 
2013-05-03 03:23:51 PM

MugzyBrown: Mad_Radhu: Plus, wealth actually tickles up, so lower income having more money to spends is what is going to fuel the recovery.

Oh yeah, aggregate demand or something.

People just don't want stuff right now.  I swear, I read it somewhere.  People haven't wanted to buy anything for years.


So you really don't believe that demand is what triggers economic growth?
 
2013-05-03 03:23:54 PM
Once again, seasonal tax preparers get filed as stable office workers instead of as field labor
 
2013-05-03 03:25:26 PM
keyword = revised
 
2013-05-03 03:26:20 PM

wildcardjack: Once again, seasonal tax preparers get filed as stable office workers instead of as field labor


So unemployment numbers for April should have jumped because the temporary tax preparers were all let go on April 16th, right?
 
2013-05-03 03:27:04 PM
And most of those jobs are part-time work in the service sector with limited hours and no benefits. Hooray temporary progress that leads to greater problems!

/Just got news of a full time job with benefits
//After 22 months in the retail work
 
2013-05-03 03:27:59 PM

Mad_Radhu: FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.

Or to have a 401k.


my 401 (k) is doing quite well at the moment, but i'd still rather be a hedge fund manager...
 
2013-05-03 03:28:56 PM

max_pooper: Stone Meadow: So basically we're looking at 165,000 minimum wage, no-benefit 28-hours-a-week "jobs" at Mickey Dee's, Wal-Mart and supermarkets.

Yeah, that'll totally grow us back to prosperity.

If you look at the breakdown of the unemployed in this country, a large chunk of the folks without jobs have limited education. Employment among the college educated is much better than the national average. People with only a high school diploma are not going to land a $100k job in finance or engineering. The fact that retail and service industries are expanding employment means that a) the nation is spending enough money to require more labor and b) the spending power of the lower rungs of the economic ladder is increasing.


Yeah, but this is Fark, where one can't simply walk in and start talking sense, ya know?
 
2013-05-03 03:33:30 PM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: GWSuperfan: Whistling Kitty Chaser: FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!

His excellent economic policies were just the thing to pull us out of the Obama recession.

According to the email I got from Tea Party Nation this morning, it's not a recession, it's not an economic downturn, it's a full-fledged OBAMA DEPRESSION.

It's a pretty sucky depression if unemployment is going down.

Obama can't even do THAT right!

That raises an interesting question for people who think Obama is a terrible president: is there anything he can do well? Like, can he do a good job of being a craptastic president?


He killed Osama, kept Gitmo open, runs a wicked drone program .... end
 
2013-05-03 03:34:22 PM
Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.
 
2013-05-03 03:38:24 PM

AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.


You were alive for Teddy Roosevelt?
 
2013-05-03 03:39:27 PM

Mrtraveler01: So you really don't believe that demand is what triggers economic growth?


Do you really believe there isn't a demand for products right now?  Or is it possible that there aren't products at the prices people aren't willing to purchase?  Or the business enviroment is not condusive to businesses outlaying a lot of money to expand?

There has been trillions of dollars spent over the past several years to stop the economy from fixing itself.  This stagnation is the result.
 
2013-05-03 03:41:25 PM

syberpud: NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?

Yup:
FTActual Report:
"Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services anddrinking places rose by 38,000 over the month. Job growth in the foodservices industry averaged 25,000 per month over the prior 12 months.Retail trade employment increased by 29,000 in April. The industryadded an average of 21,000 jobs per month over the prior 12 months. InApril, job growth occurred in general merchandise stores (+15,000) andin health and personal care stores (+5,000)."So more fast food and retail hiring.  Also, this little nugget:
"The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrollsdecreased by 0.2 hour in April to 34.4 hours."
Which meshes with the larger share of hourly wage jobs. Overall - pretty good, but not exactly a roaring recovery yet.


Oh, so not REAL jobs. Got it. Would you like to provide us with unemployment figures for real jobs? What's the rate like for those who are capable of real work? You gotta take out all the stupids, the lazies, the olds, & the youngs. Only count the real people. Go.
 
2013-05-03 03:43:08 PM

MugzyBrown: Or is it possible that there aren't products at the prices people aren't willing to purchase?


That's what demand is, you moron
 
2013-05-03 03:46:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.

Funny'd.


Total Farked
 
2013-05-03 03:47:54 PM

CPennypacker: AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.

You were alive for Teddy Roosevelt?


Eisenhower.

I would have voted for Eisenhower in a heartbeat.
 
2013-05-03 03:52:21 PM

FlashHarry: Mad_Radhu: FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.

Or to have a 401k.

my 401 (k) is doing quite well at the moment, but i'd still rather be a hedge fund manager...


yeah, but here is the good news.  I don't think there is anything preventing you from being a hedge fund manager.
step 1.  Get people to invest a lot of money in your hedge fund plan
step 2.  Invest the fund.
step 3.  Profit
 
2013-05-03 03:52:54 PM

CPennypacker: AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.

You were alive for Teddy Roosevelt?


Ike was honorable, for the most part.  Just not all that effective.
 
2013-05-03 03:55:17 PM

the_innkeeper: CPennypacker: AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.

You were alive for Teddy Roosevelt?

Eisenhower.

I would have voted for Eisenhower in a heartbeat.


Exactly what I was going to say.
 
2013-05-03 03:56:31 PM

hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that


I'm gainfully employed, so it's not surprising that I don't follow the job market as fervently as someone who is out of work.  My apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities.  Good luck with the job hunt.
 
2013-05-03 03:56:48 PM

AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.


You think he set the course that we are on?

You mean the stop the spending course?
You mean the not approve the debt limit increase without cuts course?
You mean the don't raise taxes on the people making less than 400k course?
He did set up the sequester, which has worked out well - although in that case, he said it would be catastrophic for jobs.
 
2013-05-03 03:57:47 PM

jim32rr: Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.

Funny'd.

Total Farked


I hope you didn't TF me by mistake, because my comment definitely wasn't as funny as Mugzy's.

/but thanks anyway...I owe you a cold one
 
2013-05-03 04:01:23 PM

Mad_Radhu: tenpoundsofcheese: FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy...

or to have a 401k, or an IRA, or a pension, or any stock

Crap. We actually agree with each other here. Stop that!


sorry, my bad.
 
2013-05-03 04:06:07 PM

Lost Thought 00: MugzyBrown: Or is it possible that there aren't products at the prices people aren't willing to purchase?

That's what demand is, you moron


Couldn't have said it better myself.

And wow...he really doesn't get what demand is when it comes to economics?

That's just sad.
 
2013-05-03 04:07:22 PM

bdub77: Obama: "See? My policies work."

House: "See? Obstructing Obama at every turn has led to improved jobs growth."

Senate: "We don't have the 60 votes to decide if we like this news or not."

American people: "Congress has done nothing. You guys are a bunch of f*cking wankers. But we like our guy."

House: "I rest my case."


ME: "THE POPE IS A TROMBONE!"
 
2013-05-03 04:07:44 PM

MugzyBrown: Or the business enviroment is not condusive to businesses outlaying a lot of money to expand?


Because the demand isn't sufficient enough to warrant expansion?

Companies aren't going to expand businesses just for the sake of expanding their business unless the amount of demand justifies it.
 
2013-05-03 04:08:25 PM

Stone Meadow: jim32rr: Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.

Funny'd.

Total Farked

I hope you didn't TF me by mistake, because my comment definitely wasn't as funny as Mugzy's.

/but thanks anyway...I owe you a cold one


I have not made a mistake since the incident with the Mexican midget twin sisters, I'll take that beer
 
2013-05-03 04:09:08 PM

HatMadeOfAss: hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that

I'm gainfully employed, so it's not surprising that I don't follow the job market as fervently as someone who is out of work.  My apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities.  Good luck with the job hunt.


Can a professional dominatrix be said to be "painfully employed"?
 
2013-05-03 04:13:19 PM
Yay! We are about to learn a very important lesson. Employers hire based upon two factors: how uncertain they feel their future is (and this goes for household spending as well), and demand. Tax rates, Obamacare, and all the rest, don't mean jack shiat when there is more money coming into your pockets. If your business is just under the Obamacare threshold, but your business is booming, are you really going to not grow and increase profit just because of a slight extra cost? Yes, businesses on the edge might not make that jump, but they likely aren't financially stable enough yet to take a hard shock either.
 
2013-05-03 04:16:52 PM

jso2897: HatMadeOfAss: hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that

I'm gainfully employed, so it's not surprising that I don't follow the job market as fervently as someone who is out of work.  My apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities.  Good luck with the job hunt.

Can a professional dominatrix be said to be "painfully employed"?


Your line of thinking.  I enjoy it.
 
2013-05-03 04:18:34 PM

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: So you really don't believe that demand is what triggers economic growth?

Do you really believe there isn't a demand for products right now?  Or is it possible that there aren't products at the prices people aren't willing to purchase?  Or the business enviroment is not condusive to businesses outlaying a lot of money to expand?

There has been trillions of dollars spent over the past several years to stop the economy from fixing itself.  This stagnation is the result.


You... you realize that, when discussing economics, demand isn't "MAN I WANT TO BUY SOMETHING", right?

That demand is, in fact, people wanting to, and being able to *afford*, to by Product X and Price Y? (If Price Y is to high, whether because people don't have much free money at the moment, or there being other things in the market that are simillar/cheaper, product X will, in theory, have lower 'demand'. Even if people *want* it.)

For instance: While I would love to be able to get a new car (so that I can get my old scion back from my fiance, and stop nursing an about-to-throw-a-rod 2001 saturn), I cannot, in any way, shape or form, afford one. Or even a used one. So I do not contribute to the 'demand' for cars, because they are out of my price range.

Likewise, if there isn't a group of people who want *AND ARE ABLE* to purchase more of a product, most businesses that SELL that product aren't going to expand. Because there's a lack of demand. Do you think they're just going to hire more folks for shiats and giggles, even if it's not going to make them more money?
 
2013-05-03 04:18:38 PM

the_innkeeper: CPennypacker: AirForceVet: Really, thank you very much, Mr. President, for setting the tone and staying on course, despite the many minefields laid in our country's path.

/Yeah, I'm talkin' about worthless Republicans.
//I miss the days when being a Republican was an honorable thing.

You were alive for Teddy Roosevelt?

Eisenhower.

I would have voted for Eisenhower in a heartbeat.


Ike looks good in comparison to the current crowd, but yeah, the last Republican president I really like is TR.  The last republicans I actually respect are the ones who joined with Johnson to defeat the deep south Democrats and passed the civil rights act.  How the parties have changed.
 
2013-05-03 04:23:54 PM

Peki: Yay! We are about to learn a very important lesson. Employers hire based upon two factors: how uncertain they feel their future is (and this goes for household spending as well), and demand. Tax rates, Obamacare, and all the rest, don't mean jack shiat when there is more money coming into your pockets. If your business is just under the Obamacare threshold, but your business is booming, are you really going to not grow and increase profit just because of a slight extra cost? Yes, businesses on the edge might not make that jump, but they likely aren't financially stable enough yet to take a hard shock either.


The future is always uncertain. Always. Even if you say that the future is certain, it isn't. Hell, people were told that the synthetic CDOs Goldman Sachs, AIG, and the like were selling were AAA-rated assets and that they would never default, and they turned out to be worse than junk bonds.
 
2013-05-03 04:25:13 PM

HatMadeOfAss: hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that

I'm gainfully employed, so it's not surprising that I don't follow the job market as fervently as someone who is out of work.  My apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities.  Good luck with the job hunt.


The jobs number has been positive for the last 37 months and you currently have a good job so then why the need to biatch?

Do you want to go back to the Bush era and have the economy lose 800K jobs a month?
 
2013-05-03 04:34:56 PM
I'm just wondering what it's gonna take to convince people that the economy is improving. I just got a CNN breaking news alert: Dow and the S&P 500 have both closed with record highs. Can we admit things are going well?
 
2013-05-03 04:35:48 PM

Di Atribe: I'm just wondering what it's gonna take to convince people that the economy is improving. I just got a CNN breaking news alert: Dow and the S&P 500 have both closed with record highs. Can we admit things are going well?


Not as long as Obama is President.
 
2013-05-03 04:41:46 PM

Di Atribe: I'm just wondering what it's gonna take to convince people that the economy is improving. I just got a CNN breaking news alert: Dow and the S&P 500 have both closed with record highs. Can we admit things are going well?


But don't you understand, that would make Obama look GOOD.  We can't have that.
 
2013-05-03 04:42:08 PM

Mrtraveler01: Di Atribe: I'm just wondering what it's gonna take to convince people that the economy is improving. I just got a CNN breaking news alert: Dow and the S&P 500 have both closed with record highs. Can we admit things are going well?

Not as long as Obama is President.


notpoliticsasusual.org

The GOP goal will be to ensure Obama is a one two term President!
 
2013-05-03 04:44:23 PM

Stone Meadow: The GOP goal will be to ensure Obama is a one two term President!


The irony, of course, is that the GOP accomplished that goal.
 
2013-05-03 04:47:29 PM

Serious Black: Peki: Yay! We are about to learn a very important lesson. Employers hire based upon two factors: how uncertain they feel their future is (and this goes for household spending as well), and demand. Tax rates, Obamacare, and all the rest, don't mean jack shiat when there is more money coming into your pockets. If your business is just under the Obamacare threshold, but your business is booming, are you really going to not grow and increase profit just because of a slight extra cost? Yes, businesses on the edge might not make that jump, but they likely aren't financially stable enough yet to take a hard shock either.

/sorry for formatting. Ipad sucks.

The future is always uncertain. Always. Even if you say that the future is certain, it isn't. Hell, people were told that the synthetic CDOs Goldman Sachs, AIG, and the like were selling were AAA-rated assets and that they would never default, and they turned out to be worse than junk bonds.




You're absolutely right. Is relative uncertainty a better term? Example: during the mess with the US credit rating BS, lots of uncertainty. Business owner reads the hype, they feel uncertain, don't hire. Now, good news is coming out, business owner feels better, feels more confident about hiring someone, which helps kickstart the demand side of things--and please for gossakes don't mistake this for a supply-side economics line! Economies are demand driven, but in the absence of the government kickstarting demand through gov't services, be it welfare or employment, then the business owner has to, and we have to acknowledge that reality and the motives behind it.
 
2013-05-03 04:53:09 PM

NostroZ: [www.blogcdn.com image 620x450]
Would you like fries with those job figures?


Best. Quote. Ever. LOL
 
2013-05-03 05:00:42 PM

Felgraf: MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: So you really don't believe that demand is what triggers economic growth?

Do you really believe there isn't a demand for products right now?  Or is it possible that there aren't products at the prices people aren't willing to purchase?  Or the business enviroment is not condusive to businesses outlaying a lot of money to expand?

There has been trillions of dollars spent over the past several years to stop the economy from fixing itself.  This stagnation is the result.

You... you realize that, when discussing economics, demand isn't "MAN I WANT TO BUY SOMETHING", right?

That demand is, in fact, people wanting to, and being able to *afford*, to by Product X and Price Y? (If Price Y is to high, whether because people don't have much free money at the moment, or there being other things in the market that are simillar/cheaper, product X will, in theory, have lower 'demand'. Even if people *want* it.)

For instance: While I would love to be able to get a new car (so that I can get my old scion back from my fiance, and stop nursing an about-to-throw-a-rod 2001 saturn), I cannot, in any way, shape or form, afford one. Or even a used one. So I do not contribute to the 'demand' for cars, because they are out of my price range.

Likewise, if there isn't a group of people who want *AND ARE ABLE* to purchase more of a product, most businesses that SELL that product aren't going to expand. Because there's a lack of demand. Do you think they're just going to hire more folks for shiats and giggles, even if it's not going to make them more money?


Could you explain this using a metaphor involving coconuts, haircuts and/or shoes?
 
2013-05-03 05:01:59 PM

Peki: Serious Black: Peki: Yay! We are about to learn a very important lesson. Employers hire based upon two factors: how uncertain they feel their future is (and this goes for household spending as well), and demand. Tax rates, Obamacare, and all the rest, don't mean jack shiat when there is more money coming into your pockets. If your business is just under the Obamacare threshold, but your business is booming, are you really going to not grow and increase profit just because of a slight extra cost? Yes, businesses on the edge might not make that jump, but they likely aren't financially stable enough yet to take a hard shock either.

/sorry for formatting. Ipad sucks.

The future is always uncertain. Always. Even if you say that the future is certain, it isn't. Hell, people were told that the synthetic CDOs Goldman Sachs, AIG, and the like were selling were AAA-rated assets and that they would never default, and they turned out to be worse than junk bonds.

You're absolutely right. Is relative uncertainty a better term? Example: during the mess with the US credit rating BS, lots of uncertainty. Business owner reads the hype, they feel uncertain, don't hire. Now, good news is coming out, business owner feels better, feels more confident about hiring someone, which helps kickstart the demand side of things--and please for gossakes don't mistake this for a supply-side economics line! Economies are demand driven, but in the absence of the government kickstarting demand through gov't services, be it welfare or employment, then the business owner has to, and we have to acknowledge that reality and the motives behind it.


Sure, I'd agree that exogenous factors in the world can affect a business owner's perception of whether it is a good time to expand or not. That's almost certainly why Republicans have been banging the "Obama is destroying the economy" drum for four straight years. If enough people say it, maybe business owners will believe that over their accounting books and fire more employees. Maybe consumers will believe that over their checking accounts and stop purchasing stuff. I'd say the evidence over the last three years shows the drumbeat doesn't work, or if it does, it's only marginally slowing down the recovery instead of throwing it in reverse.
 
2013-05-03 05:07:35 PM
He didn't build that.
 
2013-05-03 05:09:01 PM

hugram: HatMadeOfAss: hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that

I'm gainfully employed, so it's not surprising that I don't follow the job market as fervently as someone who is out of work.  My apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities.  Good luck with the job hunt.

The jobs number has been positive for the last 37 months and you currently have a good job so then why the need to biatch?

Do you want to go back to the Bush era and have the economy lose 800K jobs a month?


Though the numbers produced by the DOL and the USBLS have been "positive," has there really been any change to the job market?  They've created hundreds of thousands of jobs, but they're not getting filled.  Either because of low pay or because the requirements to fill them can't be met by the current crop of job seekers.  This would lead me to biatching because the number of people getting assistance/subsidies will be higher due to it not being economically wise to take a job making less than you would from unemployment insurance and government assistance.  This puts extra burden on state and federal resources (something we've been impacted with here in California), who then trickle that down to those of us who are employed.

Here's some sources for the low-paying theory:

NY Times
Reuters
 
2013-05-03 05:09:53 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: And most of those jobs are part-time work in the service sector with limited hours and no benefits. Hooray temporary progress that leads to greater problems!

/Just got news of a full time job with benefits
//After 22 months in the retail work


MAZAL TOV!

// you sponsored me on a part-time salary?
// ...I love you
 
2013-05-03 05:37:14 PM

Serious Black: If Romney were president, we'd have added at least a million full-time jobs in each of the past four months, and they all would have paid over $200,000. Thanks a lot, Fartbongo.


Yeah.

But all those jobs would be in China.
 
2013-05-03 05:42:14 PM
The sequester is working!
 
2013-05-03 05:44:12 PM
Look again at the charts.  The U2 haven't been worth checking out since the late 80s and the far inferior UB40 numbers haven't charted since number 1 in 1993.

George H. W. Bush was the last leader to preside over good U numbers.
 
2013-05-03 05:45:27 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-03 05:49:42 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Aarontology: Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.

I heard he drowned them in a bathtub

With his bare hands.  All of them.

The bathtub job killer!


He didn't use his hands

loldamn.com
 
2013-05-03 05:55:11 PM
If Republicans can spin Obama having Bin Laden killed, they can spin anything.
 
2013-05-03 06:02:07 PM

cabbyman: The sequester is working!


Thanks Obama!
 
2013-05-03 06:15:19 PM

Dr Dreidel: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: And most of those jobs are part-time work in the service sector with limited hours and no benefits. Hooray temporary progress that leads to greater problems!

/Just got news of a full time job with benefits
//After 22 months in the retail work

MAZAL TOV!

// you sponsored me on a part-time salary?
// ...I love you


I never said I made good decisions with money.
 
2013-05-03 06:16:04 PM

jim32rr: Stone Meadow: jim32rr: Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.

Funny'd.

Total Farked

I hope you didn't TF me by mistake, because my comment definitely wasn't as funny as Mugzy's.

/but thanks anyway...I owe you a cold one

I have not made a mistake since the incident with the Mexican midget twin sisters, I'll take that beer


That was you?!
My sister and I didn't think it was a mistake

Don't feel bad. We have fond memories
 
2013-05-03 06:18:38 PM

mcmnky: Serious Black: If Romney were president, we'd have added at least a million full-time jobs in each of the past four months, and they all would have paid over $200,000. Thanks a lot, Fartbongo.

Yeah.

But all those jobs would be in China.


Actually it was Biden who said they would get 500000 jobs a month
 
2013-05-03 06:19:26 PM
So Obama was wrong about sequestration
 
2013-05-03 06:27:50 PM
Somebody want to politely tap  Subbyon the shoulder and remind him that the President alone doesn't make jobs? Thanks
 
2013-05-03 06:35:37 PM

wildcardjack: Once again, seasonal tax preparers get filed as stable office workers instead of as field labor


You win the I Understand the Least About Macroeconomics Prize!  Congratulations!
 
2013-05-03 06:40:59 PM

Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs heBUSH killed.


FTFY
 
2013-05-03 07:08:18 PM

Nemo's Brother: So Obama was wrong about sequestration


I guess this means that Obama's sequester was good for the economy afterall.
 
2013-05-03 07:10:52 PM

my lip balm addiction: Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs heBUSH killed.

FTFY


You're forgetting that magical time machine.
 
2013-05-03 07:23:59 PM

SixPaperJoint: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I could sure use a raise

/the price of cat food has gone up

An' as if all that shait wasn't enough
A rat done bit my sister Nell.


... and whitey's on the moon.
/someone remembers
 
2013-05-03 07:28:34 PM

bdub77: Obama: "See? My policies work."

House: "See? Obstructing Obama at every turn has led to improved jobs growth."

Senate: "We don't have the 60 votes to decide if we like this news or not."

American people: "Congress has done nothing. You guys are a bunch of f*cking wankers. But we like our guy."

House: "I rest my case."


Which policy lead to the increase?  Be specific.

Economies, especially capitalist ones, are cyclical.  You can argue Obama is helping/hurting growth, you can't argue the economy is due to him.

So, look at his policies, and state which ones are helping.  I'll start.

70 Billion in new regulatory costs last year alone.  That's a negative.

2% increase in SS taxes.  That's a negative.

Highest spending as % of GDP last 5 years since WW2.  That's a negative.

Increased the regulatory costs per new hire.  That's a negative.

Hmm... Looking like it is growing in spite of him, not because of him.
 
2013-05-03 07:29:37 PM

Minarets: And they would be better too, if not for the sequester.


Umm... effects from the Sequester would not have happened yet.  But tax increases did happen at the beginning of the 1Q.  Maybe you meant those?
 
2013-05-03 07:39:45 PM

MyRandomName: 2% increase in SS taxes.  That's a negative.


Um, that "increase" was simply the 2011 payroll tax cuts expiring. It was a temporary measure to try to stimulate the economy, and wasn't intended to be permanent.
 
2013-05-03 07:39:53 PM
/sigh

this bs again
 
2013-05-03 07:40:22 PM
You know, like the Bush tax cuts should have been.
 
2013-05-03 07:59:15 PM
max_pooper:The fact that retail and service industries are expanding employment means that a) the nation is spending enough money to require more labor and b) the spending power of the lower rungs of the economic ladder is increasing.

You forgot c) the highly educated college graduates that need and will take a job, any job, so that they can eat, keep a roof over their heads, and figure out how to start repaying their student loans if they have any.
Unless they are still living with their parents, rent still has to be paid.
 
2013-05-03 08:10:07 PM

Old Man Winter: Just a few more months like that and he will have made up for the all the jobs he killed.


Can somebody loan Old Man Winter a shovel to help him get all the sand out of there?
 
2013-05-03 08:14:19 PM

MyRandomName: Minarets: And they would be better too, if not for the sequester.

Umm... effects from the Sequester would not have happened yet.  But tax increases did happen at the beginning of the 1Q.  Maybe you meant those?


I thought tax increases were supposed to lead to fewer jobs, not more. Is that not the Republican position? Why do the numbers continue to be revised upward then?
 
2013-05-03 08:29:44 PM
HatMadeOfAss:
Though the numbers produced by the DOL and the USBLS have been "positive," has there really been any change to the job market?  They've created hundreds of thousands of jobs, but they're not getting filled.  Either because of low pay or because the requirements to fill them can't be met by the current crop of job seekers human beings.

Or at least american human beings. H1B, anyone?

Two words: "Purple Squirrel".
Employers want that perfect hire that will precisely replace the person who just left for a better paying position, with no training and no downtime whatsoever (and at a lower salary than the person that just jumped), and if they juuuuuust wait long enough the employment fairy will grant their wish.

Two problems: one, that person is not going to take this employer's piss-poor excuse for a salary if they are supposed to be that good. This is why the last person left, moron. Two, if the god-like person this employer is waiting for jumped from their last employer to come to this one, why shouldn't they jump again as soon as a better offer is made, probably right in the middle of a project?

Employers: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
 
2013-05-03 08:35:02 PM

FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!


You have to admit his foresight predicting the Obama recession.
 
2013-05-03 08:54:16 PM

inglixthemad: FlashHarry: well, i guess the bush recovery was timed to hit just as he opened his preznidential liberry!

You have to admit his foresight predicting the Obama recession.


Well yes...or at least Bush43 was smart enough to skip town ahead of this...

ms-brown.wikispaces.com
 
2013-05-03 09:26:34 PM

MugzyBrown: It's funny that Obama supporters think that Obama should get credit for the economy "improving" eventhough there hasn't been any plan Obama has wanted passed in over 2 years.

Maybe things are slightly better because the GOP has stopped Obama from trying to fix the economy again.


So how are all those GOP Jobs bills doing?
 
2013-05-03 09:26:40 PM

rewind2846: HatMadeOfAss:
Though the numbers produced by the DOL and the USBLS have been "positive," has there really been any change to the job market?  They've created hundreds of thousands of jobs, but they're not getting filled.  Either because of low pay or because the requirements to fill them can't be met by the current crop of job seekers human beings.

Or at least american human beings. H1B, anyone?

Two words: "Purple Squirrel".
Employers want that perfect hire that will precisely replace the person who just left for a better paying position, with no training and no downtime whatsoever (and at a lower salary than the person that just jumped), and if they juuuuuust wait long enough the employment fairy will grant their wish.

Two problems: one, that person is not going to take this employer's piss-poor excuse for a salary if they are supposed to be that good. This is why the last person left, moron. Two, if the god-like person this employer is waiting for jumped from their last employer to come to this one, why shouldn't they jump again as soon as a better offer is made, probably right in the middle of a project?

Employers: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.


Hell, that's my thought already. The old job was retail (which I took to survive), the current job will be a junior accountant position in a tiny little town in southern Indiana (low pay, but low cost of living). I'm willing to do 5-7 years there but the object of my affection (no, not the beer or the dog, the other one) will struggle to find meaningful work in such a small area.
 
2013-05-03 10:10:14 PM
Borrowing our prosperity is AWESOME!!!
 
2013-05-03 10:31:19 PM

DrPainMD: Borrowing our prosperity is AWESOME!!!


Your ignorance is awesome.
 
2013-05-03 10:31:43 PM

bronyaur1: wildcardjack: Once again, seasonal tax preparers get filed as stable office workers instead of as field labor

You win the I Understand the Least About Macroeconomics Prize!  Congratulations!


I was trying for a Morbo.
 
2013-05-03 11:24:03 PM

hungryhungryhorus: HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.

It's unsurprising you haven't personally seen evidence of this as  breathing through your mouth still isn't a marketable skill-set.

/tough break, that


Ah, are the "If you are unemployed or underemployed, it's your fault" assholes coming back already?

My word, the economy must be improving.
 
2013-05-03 11:49:35 PM

max_pooper: DrPainMD: Borrowing our prosperity is AWESOME!!!

Your ignorance is awesome.


I have the guy flagged as a fan of Austrian School econ.  And he didn't disappoint.
 
2013-05-04 12:00:28 AM
But Bengazi!
 
2013-05-04 12:43:47 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-04 12:47:50 AM

FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.


Obama is the worst socialist EVER.
 
2013-05-04 12:49:51 AM

mediablitz: FlashHarry: the dow just hit 15,000. it's a good time to be wealthy, that's for sure.

Obama is the worst socialist EVER.

 Some messiah.  He isn't feeding the masses.
 
2013-05-04 12:54:11 AM

rumpelstiltskin: You farking gloating liberals have completely missed the point. The economy may be improving, but that means farkall. Sure, we may have told you that was important last year, before the election, but that's only because Americans are stupid. And it worked for Clinton, so we gave it a shot.
This isn't about whether or not you have a job, or if you can feed your family. Like I said, that means farkall. This is about freedom. Caving in to these liberals now is renouncing the sacrifice of all those who were at Valley Forge. It means their suffering was for nothing. It means the heroes of Fort McHenry withstood the shelling of the British fleet for nothing. You farking people have traded their gifts for nothing.
At the end of the Revolutionary War, the landowners stiffed the Minutemen of their pay. Did the Minutemen complain? Well, yes, but only a little. Because they knew they had their freedom, and that's more than a job would ever be worth. Except to you farkers. Traitors.


1/10. Way too obvious, but you're bound to get a few bites.
 
2013-05-04 01:05:22 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: rumpelstiltskin: You farking gloating liberals have completely missed the point. The economy may be improving, but that means farkall. Sure, we may have told you that was important last year, before the election, but that's only because Americans are stupid. And it worked for Clinton, so we gave it a shot.
This isn't about whether or not you have a job, or if you can feed your family. Like I said, that means farkall. This is about freedom. Caving in to these liberals now is renouncing the sacrifice of all those who were at Valley Forge. It means their suffering was for nothing. It means the heroes of Fort McHenry withstood the shelling of the British fleet for nothing. You farking people have traded their gifts for nothing.
At the end of the Revolutionary War, the landowners stiffed the Minutemen of their pay. Did the Minutemen complain? Well, yes, but only a little. Because they knew they had their freedom, and that's more than a job would ever be worth. Except to you farkers. Traitors.

1/10. Way too obvious, but you're bound to get a few bites.


I think it was supposed to be obvious, but sarcasm is tricky business on the interwebz.
 
2013-05-04 01:08:44 AM
Wow 7.5% ! And it only took 5 years!

Oh, Salon. Don't ever stop being you.
 
2013-05-04 01:14:03 AM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Wow 7.5% ! And it only took 5 years!

Oh, Salon. Don't ever stop being you.


Capitalism is cyclical.  Which means it's working well, or something.
 
2013-05-04 04:34:03 AM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Wow 7.5% ! And it only took 5 years!

Oh, Salon. Don't ever stop being you.


So... the worst recession since the great depression has the worst recovery since... the great depression? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!
 
2013-05-04 06:18:25 AM
"New jobs created" is the most meaningless and misleading statistic published by the government. I don't understand why anyone pays any attention to it.
 
2013-05-04 07:40:28 AM

Peki: Yay! We are about to learn a very important lesson.

Employers hire based upon two factors: how uncertain they feel their future is (and this goes for household spending as well), and demand.


Uncertainty is all but an excuse (that ran out of steam a while ago) to make infinite demands while doing nothing that suggests that the business did something wrong.

Tax rates, PPACA, and all the rest, don't mean jack shiat when there is more money coming into your pockets. If your business is just under the PPACA threshold, but your business is booming, are you really going to not grow and increase profit just because of a slight extra cost? Yes, businesses on the edge might not make that jump, but they likely aren't financially stable enough yet to take a hard shock either.

Then make the limits harder to game(more towards percents and dynamic limits that dissuade numerical 49er/29er hold-or-fire patterns) and punish creative accounting (read: the longer it takes for a reasonable person to unravel it, given no prior knowledge or documentation, the more penalties apply).  In other words, make it a pain for those who think they can evade regulation.
 
2013-05-04 07:51:39 AM

rewind2846: Employers: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.


THIS.

Unfortunately they respond as if they were some member of royalty that just had its power questioned.   Lese majeste and all that not-so-wonderful jazz.
 
2013-05-04 09:28:24 AM

rewind2846: max_pooper:The fact that retail and service industries are expanding employment means that a) the nation is spending enough money to require more labor and b) the spending power of the lower rungs of the economic ladder is increasing.

You forgot c) the highly educated college graduates that need and will take a job, any job, so that they can eat, keep a roof over their heads, and figure out how to start repaying their student loans if they have any.
Unless they are still living with their parents, rent still has to be paid.


Except that's not what the numbers show.

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/demographics/

Look at the chart for demographics based on education. The college educated line is very low and flat. The less than high school diploma line is trending down the fastest.
 
2013-05-04 10:29:08 AM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Wow 7.5% ! And it only took 5 years!

Oh, Salon. Don't ever stop being you.


Hard to run a race with someone holding onto your ankles and forcing you to drag them along with you.
 
2013-05-04 10:38:41 AM
lucente.org
 
2013-05-04 10:58:44 AM
I think Obama did about the best thing a politician can do in a recession - he kept taxes low and government spending steady and waited for things to get better.  That's about all you can do.

So have things gotten better?  In my opinion, sorta.

On the job situation, we haven't yet gotten back to pre-recession numbers.  Meanwhile, our population continues to grow slightly faster than our economy, meaning we will never break even.  Fortunately, people are retiring at a faster rate then the population is growing, causing unemployment to fall.  We are retiring our way to full employment.  For once, an aging population is working in our favor.

On the income front, median income continues to improve year over year.  People point to the declining median household income and say "look we are losing ground!", but that's actually due to the decrease in the average number of employed individuals per household.  People are moving back towards one earner per household, but each individual is earning more.  It's a self-inflicted wash, but with an end in sight, as you can only have so many one earner households.

Housing is about back to normal too, which has a huge impact on the real wealth of most individuals, as the bulk of most people's savings are locked up in their house.

All in all, lots of mixed signals but the trend is clear.  However, we've run out of time on the government spending front.  Either we have to raise taxes - decreasing GDP - or reduce spending - also decreasing GDP.  We'll have to see what impact that has on our very gradual recovery.
 
2013-05-04 11:21:20 AM
Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.
 
2013-05-04 11:34:21 AM

Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.


Yeah. Much like people seem to forget what happened on the markets in 2007 and 2008.
 
2013-05-04 12:00:13 PM

Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.


That's either some quality trolling, or willful ignorance...which is it?

Just in case it's the latter check out what was happening to jobs during Bush's last two years in office:

zfacts.com
 
2013-05-04 12:43:21 PM
Sad 165000 people stopped looking for work.  fark you Obummer!
 
2013-05-04 12:59:56 PM

Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.


People seem to forget a lot of things that are not true.
 
2013-05-04 01:24:48 PM
Yes, we must give our dear leader credit for his beautiful police state.
 
2013-05-04 02:06:40 PM

HatMadeOfAss: 165,000 jobs to which country?  It sure as hell isn't this one.


Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't mean it isn't.
 
2013-05-04 02:50:47 PM

xaveth: Yes, we must give our dear leader credit for his beautiful police state.


Posting from North Korea?
 
2013-05-04 03:25:13 PM
Fox News on good unemployment numbers: n0bama cookin the books!
Fox News on bad unemployment numbers: indisputable evidence of socialism
 
2013-05-04 04:47:16 PM
I'm part of that 165k, so getting a kick, etc.

/thanks Obama
 
2013-05-04 05:42:20 PM

Stone Meadow: Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.

That's either some quality trolling, or willful ignorance...which is it?

Just in case it's the latter check out what was happening to jobs during Bush's last two years in office:

[zfacts.com image 485x382]


I wasn't aware that presidents made laws. Looks like a sharp downturn in jobs coincided with an event in 2006...perhaps there were other elections in 2006, maybe to people who actually write and vote on laws.  Just a hunch...
 
2013-05-04 06:55:02 PM

o5iiawah: Stone Meadow: Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.

That's either some quality trolling, or willful ignorance...which is it?

Just in case it's the latter check out what was happening to jobs during Bush's last two years in office:

[zfacts.com image 485x382]

I wasn't aware that presidents made laws. Looks like a sharp downturn in jobs coincided with an event in 2006...perhaps there were other elections in 2006, maybe to people who actually write and vote on laws.  Just a hunch...


really? because in this thread you were rather insistent that passing a budget was Obama's responsibility

http://m.fark.com/comments/7230532/Barack-Obama-has-increased-nation al -debt-by-more-than-a-trillion-dollars-for-five-years-in-a-row
 
2013-05-04 07:31:45 PM

dumbobruni: o5iiawah: Stone Meadow: Pick: Unemployment was never this high under Bush. People seem to forget this.

That's either some quality trolling, or willful ignorance...which is it?

Just in case it's the latter check out what was happening to jobs during Bush's last two years in office:

[zfacts.com image 485x382]

I wasn't aware that presidents made laws. Looks like a sharp downturn in jobs coincided with an event in 2006...perhaps there were other elections in 2006, maybe to people who actually write and vote on laws.  Just a hunch...

really? because in this thread you were rather insistent that passing a budget was Obama's responsibility

http://m.fark.com/comments/7230532/Barack-Obama-has-increased-nation al -debt-by-more-than-a-trillion-dollars-for-five-years-in-a-row


LOL...

randomcoolstuff.com.au
 
2013-05-04 09:00:08 PM
We should get rid of minium wage, lower taxes on the wealthy and deregulate.

That way we can accelerate our slide into an East African Paradise.
 
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