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(International Business Times)   NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly says African-Americans are "understopped" by police, needs surgery to remove foot from mouth   (ibtimes.com) divider line 170
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2013-05-03 11:31:07 AM  
Oh no, he di'n't
 
2013-05-03 11:33:07 AM  
"We are trying to save his life," Kelly countered. "And we are trying to save the life of other young people who are disproportionately victimized."

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We're here to protect you.  Pick up that can!
 
2013-05-03 11:33:07 AM  
In 2011, ththe number of black men stopped and frisked exceeded the black male population of the city. Apparently that isn't enough for Ray Kelly.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:37 AM  
What he says makes sense in the context in which he was saying it.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:50 AM  
White guy, right? Gotta be a white guy. *clicks* Shocking...
 
2013-05-03 11:34:26 AM  

Wendy's Chili: In 2011, ththe number of black men stopped and frisked exceeded the black male population of the city. Apparently that isn't enough for Ray Kelly.


I think in his ideal scenario it should be 365 times the population of black males in the city.
 
2013-05-03 11:35:03 AM  
Dear International Business Times,

Correlation does not equal causation.  Just because you stopped every black and latino man and murders decreased does not mean they are related.  They could be but since most murders are committed by people known to the victim, I am guessing it has more to do with the overall decline nationally in violent crimes.
 
2013-05-03 11:37:07 AM  
And forced audio ad.  Never read article, closed immediately.
 
2013-05-03 11:39:21 AM  
Just because he looks tough and talks tough doesn't mean he is tough.  He seems to take the easy way out in every aspect of his policing.  More money, arrest everyone, hope stats improve.  Real courage is in making a hard decision in how to actually improve safety in a community using the resources you have and within the laws that exist - not in blowing your budget and breaking the law and whining about people complaining about it.
 
2013-05-03 11:40:25 AM  
Don't you understand?  It's this white policeman's burden to look out for the black population.  If he didn't specifically look out for them, who would?
 
2013-05-03 11:42:32 AM  
One wants to troll him by suggesting he push for the N*gger Culling Initiative -  but one is kinda scared he might try and implement it for real.
 
2013-05-03 11:43:33 AM  
 
2013-05-03 11:44:47 AM  
meh. Constitutionality of stop and frisk aside... meh.
 
2013-05-03 11:47:41 AM  
I still can't believe we are arguing about the police walking up to innocent people and demanding they turn out their pockets. It is the definition of unlawful search

Terry was supposed to be about officer safety when interacting with suspects and/or witnesses. They now are initiating public interaction for the sole purpose of frisking someone under the guise of officer safety. To top it off Terry is only to check for weapons but that hasn't stopped the NYPD from demanding people turnout their pockets and busting people for weed.

As much as Kelly and Bloomberg want it to be lawful to stop anyone on the street and demand they show whats on their person, it isn't and it is amazing that they have been allowed to continue this nonsense as long as they have.
 
2013-05-03 11:49:01 AM  
This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."


Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.
 
2013-05-03 11:49:48 AM  
Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?
 
2013-05-03 11:51:19 AM  
Anyone actually live in the city been the victim of one of these? I visit friends down there fairly often and when out never actually have been stopped. But I am a white guy.
 
2013-05-03 11:51:31 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?


probably because a lot of people like stop and frisk
 
2013-05-03 11:51:46 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


Damn, that's a lot of white boys busted with "other weapons."

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2013-05-03 11:51:53 AM  

keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.



You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.


/I'm sure it was just an oversight.
 
2013-05-03 11:52:44 AM  

keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


But really what does 1 number have to do with the other?
 
2013-05-03 11:53:35 AM  

skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?

probably because a lot of people who don't fit the description like stop and frisk



FTFY
 
2013-05-03 11:54:32 AM  

keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


OOOOOOOOOOH, it's totally OK to judge an entire ethnic group based on statistics.  It's not like they're individual human beings, the vast majority of which are law-abiding citizens.  They can all be broadly categorized as "black people" right, and treated with perceptions about what is common in that group?

Listen very carefully:  you are a racist piece of shiat, just for saying that.  You should seriously reconsider your life, because as it stands, you are doing a bad job at being a human being.  You won't because modern racists are so sure they're not racist for [whatever reason], but if you have even an ounce of human decency you'll stop and reconsider what you're saying.
 
2013-05-03 11:54:34 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.

/I'm sure it was just an oversight.


you really should be pissed from a constitutional standpoint. This "minorities are stopped more than whites" dog ain't gonna hunt no matter how many times you kick it
 
2013-05-03 11:55:25 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?

probably because a lot of people who don't fit the description like stop and frisk


FTFY


right - black men can't stand it. Old black ladies in the neighborhoods where this happens? They're down.
 
2013-05-03 11:56:09 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?


New Yorkers will step over the body of a little girl thats just been raped to death with out so much as looking away from their cell phones. New Yorkers will call the police to complain about the noise from someone being stabbed to death in the hallway outside their apartment.
 
2013-05-03 11:56:27 AM  

kindms: I still can't believe we are arguing about the police walking up to innocent people and demanding they turn out their pockets. It is the definition of unlawful search

Terry was supposed to be about officer safety when interacting with suspects and/or witnesses. They now are initiating public interaction for the sole purpose of frisking someone under the guise of officer safety. To top it off Terry is only to check for weapons but that hasn't stopped the NYPD from demanding people turnout their pockets and busting people for weed.

As much as Kelly and Bloomberg want it to be lawful to stop anyone on the street and demand they show whats on their person, it isn't and it is amazing that they have been allowed to continue this nonsense as long as they have.


But if you're not a criminal, you've got nothing to hide, citizen.
 
2013-05-03 11:57:56 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?


It is a pretty big deal. And there have been (a number of) protests.
 
2013-05-03 11:58:13 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.

/I'm sure it was just an oversight.


Nope.  Kelly's point was that the percentage of blacks in the stop and frisk population is less than the percentage of blacks in the violent crime population in NYC.

86% of stops are of blacks and Latinos, correct.  What percentage of violent crime in NYC is committed by blacks and Latinos?

Blacks committed 66 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009 (though they were only 55 percent of all stops and only 23 percent of the city's population). Blacks committed 80 percent of all shootings in the first half of 2009. Together, blacks and Hispanics committed 98 percent of all shootings. Blacks committed nearly 70 percent of all robberies. Whites, by contrast, committed 5 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009, though they are 35 percent of the city's population (and were 10 percent of all stops). They committed 1.8 percent of all shootings and less than 5 percent of all robberies. The face of violent crime in New York, in other words, like in every other large American city, is almost exclusively black and brown. Any given violent crime is 13 times more likely to be committed by a black than by a white perpetrator-a fact that would have been useful to include in the Times's lead, which stated that "Blacks and Latinos were nine times as likely as whites to be stopped." These crime data are not some artifact that the police devise out of their skewed racial mindset. They are what the victims of those crimes-the vast majority of whom are minority themselves-report to the police.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html
 
2013-05-03 12:00:49 PM  

ikanreed: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.

OOOOOOOOOOH, it's totally OK to judge an entire ethnic group based on statistics.  It's not like they're individual human beings, the vast majority of which are law-abiding citizens.  They can all be broadly categorized as "black people" right, and treated with perceptions about what is common in that group?

Listen very carefully:  you are a racist piece of shiat, just for saying that.  You should seriously reconsider your life, because as it stands, you are doing a bad job at being a human being.  You won't because modern racists are so sure they're not racist for [whatever reason], but if you have even an ounce of human decency you'll stop and reconsider what you're saying.


And here comes another hysteric who can't read or think.
 
2013-05-03 12:00:53 PM  

keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


Doesn't matter.  Stopping anybody because a criminal has been described as black and not having any proof of any other type, is illegal and immoral.

In other words, if the cops asked to search your home because you are a white male in your mid thirties and have spoken out against the government, you would be totally fine they don't have any actual evidence against you but rather they just want to check up on you and just let you know that "Hey, we can make your life hell"
 
2013-05-03 12:02:17 PM  

Hobo Jr.: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.

Doesn't matter.  Stopping anybody because a criminal has been described as black and not having any proof of any other type, is illegal and immoral.


Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.
 
2013-05-03 12:02:41 PM  
It is amazing how the definition of "reasonable suspicion" has broadened..
 
2013-05-03 12:02:58 PM  

QT_3.14159: mudpants: Has anyone ever clicked on a "Featured Partner" link ever?

I do occasionally thinking that, hey, that looks somewhat interesting and I've been a member of this site for 10 years so clicking an advertisement every now and then is the least I can do, right?

I usually regret it, though.


some of those buzzfeed lists are a good way to kill a few mins.
 
2013-05-03 12:04:37 PM  

keypusher: Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.


If 20 black dudes are committing half the crime in the city does that mean all black people should be stopped and frisked? I'm still not seeing how 1 number should equal the other.
 
2013-05-03 12:04:44 PM  

keypusher: Hobo Jr.: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.

Doesn't matter.  Stopping anybody because a criminal has been described as black and not having any proof of any other type, is illegal and immoral.

Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.


How so?
 
2013-05-03 12:04:58 PM  

skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.

/I'm sure it was just an oversight.

you really should be pissed from a constitutional standpoint. This "minorities are stopped more than whites" dog ain't gonna hunt no matter how many times you kick it


Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I didn't say that BLACK New Yorkers should be marching in the streets. I was reffering to a march about the violation of the 4th amendment. Not the Civil Rights Act. That was just a response to a clown who wants to use statistics to justify bigotry. What he won't tell you is that 1.8 millon more stops of African-Americans than Whites and the had the EXACT same number of incidents where police had to seize something illegal (16,000). So, he can wipe my ass with his stas because much of the reason that there are more black criminals is that there are more interactions between police and black people because the officers obviously think like their chief.
 
2013-05-03 12:05:49 PM  
From the context of the comment, Kelly spoke correctly. Of course, that does not speak on the constitutionality or effectiveness of this program.
 
2013-05-03 12:06:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.

/I'm sure it was just an oversight.

you really should be pissed from a constitutional standpoint. This "minorities are stopped more than whites" dog ain't gonna hunt no matter how many times you kick it

Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I didn't say that BLACK New Yorkers should be marching in the streets. I was reffering to a march about the violation of the 4th amendment. Not the Civil Rights Act. That was just a response to a clown who wants to use statistics to justify bigotry. What he won't tell you is that 1.8 millon more stops of African-Americans than Whites and the had the EXACT same number of incidents where police had to seize something illegal (16,000). So, he can wipe my ass with his stas because much of the reason that there are more black criminals is that there are more interactions between police and black people because the officers obviously think like their chief.


Drivel.  See City Journal link above.
 
2013-05-03 12:07:29 PM  

Shmopee: White guy, right? Gotta be a white guy. *clicks* Shocking...


Wait - I thought profiling was bad...
 
2013-05-03 12:07:52 PM  
keypusher:
And here comes another hysteric who can't read or think.

Please, tell me you at least thought about it.  Have you considered how what you posted might be racist?  Please?  Just as a favor.  I'll do whatever you want if you stop and take 5 minutes to think about what it means to be racist, and what you said.  I'm begging you.  A little bit of introspection.  What's your asking price for doing it?
 
2013-05-03 12:08:28 PM  

Headso: keypusher: Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.

If 20 black dudes are committing half the crime in the city does that mean all black people should be stopped and frisked?


No.
 
2013-05-03 12:08:32 PM  

Moopy Mac: DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?

It is a pretty big deal. And there have been (a number of) protests.


They don't seem to be making any noise Nationally. Maybe there would have been more about it if not for the situation in Boston.
 
2013-05-03 12:08:51 PM  

keypusher: Hobo Jr.: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.

Doesn't matter.  Stopping anybody because a criminal has been described as black and not having any proof of any other type, is illegal and immoral.

Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.


there is no constitutional justification for stop and frisk as it is currently conducted. I don't see how looking like a hood in a bad neighborhood is reasonable suspicion of having committed a crime if the police are not currently seeking a suspect that matches your description.
That said, lots of people in these neighborhoods LIKE stop and frisk. Young black men? Not so much.

I live in a very safe neighborhood. Demographically speaking we're not as ethnically diverse as the city in general but it's no Park Avenue and 74th St either. I have NEVER seen anyone stopped and frisked regardless of color. It just doesn't really happen in safe neighborhoods. It does happen a lot in shiatty neighborhoods and the thinking is pretty obvious. It isn't a racial thing per se - it just manifests itself as such because the shiatty neighborhoods tend to be largely populated by minorities.

I think that if Hell's Kitchen was still the white ghetto it once was, you'd see a lot of crackers getting stopped under this policy. The white ghettos don't really exist in NY anymore though
 
2013-05-03 12:09:22 PM  

Hobo Jr.: keypusher: Hobo Jr.: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.

Doesn't matter.  Stopping anybody because a criminal has been described as black and not having any proof of any other type, is illegal and immoral.

Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.

How so?


Statistically, "reasonable suspicion" is calculated differently based on the race of the "friskee".

That's not even taking into account the watering-down of the definition of "reasonableness" in this context.

That seems like two strikes against the constitutionality of the program.
 
2013-05-03 12:09:44 PM  

keypusher: Headso: keypusher: Nobody disagrees....irrelevant to stop and frisk.

If 20 black dudes are committing half the crime in the city does that mean all black people should be stopped and frisked?

No.


so how does Kelly's argument make sense in the context it was presented as you said initially?
 
2013-05-03 12:10:40 PM  
That's why you get a white guy to carry your gun and drugs for you.
 
2013-05-03 12:10:45 PM  

ikanreed: keypusher:
And here comes another hysteric who can't read or think.

Please, tell me you at least thought about it.  Have you considered how what you posted might be racist?  Please?  Just as a favor.  I'll do whatever you want if you stop and take 5 minutes to think about what it means to be racist, and what you said.  I'm begging you.  A little bit of introspection.  What's your asking price for doing it?


Don't call somebody a racist piece of shiat and then ask for introspection, asshole.  Go find a wall and smash your face against it until you lose consciousness.  Then I'll introspect all you want.  But you'll still be an asshole.
 
2013-05-03 12:10:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: skullkrusher: DROxINxTHExWIND: keypusher: This is what he meant.

"About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. "

"The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American," he added. "So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime."

Pretty simple.  So get up off the fainting couch, subby.


You accidentally left out this part:


While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.
"The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly's suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon's Natasha Lennard.

/I'm sure it was just an oversight.

you really should be pissed from a constitutional standpoint. This "minorities are stopped more than whites" dog ain't gonna hunt no matter how many times you kick it

Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I didn't say that BLACK New Yorkers should be marching in the streets. I was reffering to a march about the violation of the 4th amendment. Not the Civil Rights Act. That was just a response to a clown who wants to use statistics to justify bigotry. What he won't tell you is that 1.8 millon more stops of African-Americans than Whites and the had the EXACT same number of incidents where police had to seize something illegal (16,000). So, he can wipe my ass with his stas because much of the reason that there are more black criminals is that there are more interactions between police and black people because the officers obviously think like their chief.


I think Ray Kelly has POs stopping white dudes just to make those numbers look better. He can talk about the rates of crime by race and all that and he does have a point to a degree but he knows what those numbers look like and mayoral candidates do too
 
2013-05-03 12:10:51 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Moopy Mac: DROxINxTHExWIND: Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York's crime statistics. The city's Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.


Gun violence is down nationwide. Not just in the states where they violate the 4th amendment. Why the fark haven't New Yorkers been marching in the streets over this?

It is a pretty big deal. And there have been (a number of) protests.

They don't seem to be making any noise Nationally. Maybe there would have been more about it if not for the situation in Boston.


They have been going on for years of varying size.
 
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