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2013-05-03 07:44:22 AM
The reason why this is cool:  They screwed over gun owners in order to be politically correct.  The problem is, when a significant portion of your income is from people who like guns, it behooves you to not piss those people off.

For example:  This year, instead of getting the littlebopper stuff for baseball at Dick's Sporting Goods, which is where we normally shop for that kind of stuff, we went to Target and Wal*Mart instead because of their gun policy.

At a time when other stores that sell guns and ammo have record sales, Dick's actually went the opposite direction.  That's because a lot of us won't shop there now, even though we had no intention of buying an AR-15 in the first place.
 
2013-05-03 07:57:19 AM
In the early days of the internet, my mother went shopping for sporting goods & punched in dicks.com

I guess technically she did find some goods, just not the kind she was looking for....
 
2013-05-03 08:06:39 AM
Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.
 
2013-05-03 08:08:55 AM

dittybopper: They screwed over gun owners in order to be politically correct


Yes, with the loss of Dick's, the number of avenues for gun purchases has been drastically reduced to the point where there are only several thousand places to buy an AR-15.  THOSE BASTARDS!  Why do they hate freedom so much?
 
2013-05-03 08:12:33 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.


Actually, they did just that:  They pre-sold some AR-15's, guaranteeing they'd be available for Christmas, and they reneged on that, though they did refund the money.

It's not the money that pissed gun owners off, though.
 
2013-05-03 08:15:50 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.

Actually, they did just that:  They pre-sold some AR-15's, guaranteeing they'd be available for Christmas, and they reneged on that, though they did refund the money.

It's not the money that pissed gun owners off, though.


I remember when Smith and Wesson was almost driven out of business for trying to put integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.

Thanks so much for your misguided efforts.
 
2013-05-03 08:22:15 AM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: They screwed over gun owners in order to be politically correct

Yes, with the loss of Dick's, the number of avenues for gun purchases has been drastically reduced to the point where there are only several thousand places to buy an AR-15.  THOSE BASTARDS!  Why do they hate freedom so much?


You don't get it:  There is nothing that hardcore gun rights people like more than knifing perceived traitors in the back.  It's not like there isn't a history of this, either:  Look at what happened to Smith and Wesson after their 2000 deal.  They *ALMOST* were forced into bankruptcy.

This is an important line FTFA:
At a time where the only thing a company has to do to sell firearms, ammo and accessories is to unlock their doors, Dick's sales have flat-lined. In fact, their sales dropped 2.2 percent  in the fourth quarter of 2012 compared to 2011 and their shares 10 percent in the last quarter.

They should, like Cabela's, be making money hand-over-fist.

I've been in the local Dick's, and they have more ammunition available than the other places like Wal*Mart and the small  locally owned sporting goods store.  They *SHOULD* have less ammunition than they actually have.  If I wanted .30'06 for my Remington, Dick's is the only local place that has it in stock.  That says something:  Despite the ammo shortage, and the fact that every common caliber is being snatched off store shelves as soon as it is stocked (to the point where some stores are limiting you to 3 boxes of ammo in any single caliber), Dick's still has it available.

But I'm not going to buy it from Dick's, because of their actions.  And when we needed little league stuff, we shopped elsewhere this year despite the poorer selection.
 
2013-05-03 08:27:30 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I remember when Smith and Wesson was almost driven out of business for trying to put integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.


Buy a Taurus then.   They make revolvers with integrated gun locks.  Because they did so voluntarily and of their own accord, they weren't boycotted

BTW, there is and was *NOTHING* stopping Smith and Wesson from putting integrated locks into their guns voluntarily.  If Smith and Wesson wanted to do that with some models, they are and were free to do so, and no one would boycott them if they did.
 
2013-05-03 08:29:17 AM

dittybopper: I've been in the local Dick's, and they have more ammunition available than the other places like Wal*Mart and the small locally owned sporting goods store


That's funny, because I found that Dick's is the only place I can get Federal .357 ammo in 125 grain and consistently stocks .44 magnum and .45 ACP.  So I guess I owe you some gratitude.

Thank you.
 
2013-05-03 08:36:25 AM

dittybopper: Buy a Taurus then


Taurus is crap.  I don't want an integrated lock that badly!  Everything is locked up in a safe anyway, so it's not like it's that big a deal.
 
2013-05-03 08:40:12 AM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Buy a Taurus then

Taurus is crap.  I don't want an integrated lock that badly!  Everything is locked up in a safe anyway, so it's not like it's that big a deal.


Allow me to reiterate the point that Smith and Wesson could put integrated locks on their guns at any time voluntarily.

The only reason they were boycotted is because they signed an agreement with the Clinton administration.
 
2013-05-03 08:50:43 AM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Buy a Taurus then

Taurus is crap.  I don't want an integrated lock that badly!  Everything is locked up in a safe anyway, so it's not like it's that big a deal.

Allow me to reiterate the point that Smith and Wesson could put integrated locks on their guns at any time voluntarily.

The only reason they were boycotted is because they signed an agreement with the Clinton administration.


Yes, you're right.  I almost came to blows with a good friend of mine over this incident.  He was one of those guys with the second amendment inscribed on his big brass belt buckle (no joke).  I went out and bought a S&W in support of their move, and I thought he was going to do me harm.  I'll never forget it.
 
2013-05-03 09:53:11 AM
When will they stop being Dicks?
 
2013-05-03 10:02:57 AM
If I had a Dick's I buy ammo there if they had it, no problem. I would rather have some .22lr to plink with and not pay outrageous gouge prices from some idiot selling a brick of the stuff for $90 out of his baby stroller at the local gun show.

Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.
 
2013-05-03 10:26:07 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.


Didn't even make it to the first paragraph of the article, did ya?
 
2013-05-03 10:36:45 AM

dittybopper: I've been in the local Dick's, and they have more ammunition available than the other places like Wal*Mart and the small locally owned sporting goods store.


I found just the opposite last weekend in our local Dick's The ammo shelf was bare other than two boxes of .410 shells.

What really blew my mind was that they didn't have any lever action rifles on the shelf. The guy at the counter said they don't carry them since they aren't that popular, but he would order one for me if I wanted, I told him a lever action .30-30 is one of the most popular rifles ever built and he kind of shrugged his shoulders and muttered something about company policy.
 
2013-05-03 10:37:36 AM
FTA: Dick's CEO pointed his finger squarely at, well, Lance Armstrong. "People had a very negative reaction to the Livestrong brand," Dick's denied that their sales were low because of the store's gun policy, instead they pointed the finger at the ammunition shortage.

Idiots.
 
2013-05-03 10:46:15 AM

trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.


I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.
 
2013-05-03 10:49:12 AM

Whatthefark: dittybopper: I've been in the local Dick's, and they have more ammunition available than the other places like Wal*Mart and the small locally owned sporting goods store.

I found just the opposite last weekend in our local Dick's The ammo shelf was bare other than two boxes of .410 shells.

What really blew my mind was that they didn't have any lever action rifles on the shelf. The guy at the counter said they don't carry them since they aren't that popular, but he would order one for me if I wanted, I told him a lever action .30-30 is one of the most popular rifles ever built and he kind of shrugged his shoulders and muttered something about company policy.


The dicks near me was pretty well stocked up, but they did have a sign that limited people to 3 boxes of ammo.
 
2013-05-03 10:56:25 AM

Whatthefark: I told him a lever action .30-30 is was one of the most popular rifles ever built


FTFY.

You know what has been gradually replacing the lever action .30-30 as the blue collar deep woods/swamp deer gun?  SKS and AK clones in 7.62x39mm.

The guns are accurate enough out to 75 or 100 yards with open sights for deer hunting, the cartridge is just a little bit less powerful than the .30-30 (but not significantly so), you don't have to jack a lever to get a quick follow up shot, they kick less than a .30-30 carbine, they are very reliable, they are generally less expensive than a new Marlin or Winchester, and you can get a bunch of aftermarket stuff for them like "sporter" style Monte Carlo stocks, and for the SKS, 5 round magazines that are flush with the bottom of the stock.
 
2013-05-03 11:00:29 AM

groppet: The dicks near me was pretty well stocked up, but they did have a sign that limited people to 3 boxes of ammo.


I suspect that in places where there isn't much of a choice, the local Dick's might get even the grudging business of those who would rather shop elsewhere, but can't without driving a long distance.

In places where there are other options, they won't get as much gun and ammo business as they did before.

There is a reason why you don't want to be first in things like this.  Businesses who sell primarily guns, ammunition, and hunting stuff know this.
 
2013-05-03 11:03:58 AM

RickN99: Marcus Aurelius: Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.

Didn't even make it to the first paragraph of the article, did ya?


What article?
 
2013-05-03 11:05:54 AM
That's really stupid.
 
2013-05-03 11:08:19 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I remember when Smith and Wesson was almost driven out of business for trying to put integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.

Thanks so much for your misguided efforts.


BTW, I was never a customer of Smith and Wesson for several reasons:

1. I'm not a handgun guy.  I like rifles.
2. I'm not a modern gun guy.  I like flintlocks.
3. I live in a state where getting permission just to purchase a handgun is like a 6 month visit to the dentist.
4. At the time, I was unemployed and purchasing a gun, *ANY* gun (and most especially a brand new $500+ handgun), was out of the question financially.

Though I will say that I did my part to help encourage people online to boycott Smith and Wesson.
 
2013-05-03 11:13:55 AM

HighlanderRPI: In the early days of the internet, my mother went shopping for sporting goods & punched in dicks.com

I guess technically she did find some goods, just not the kind she was looking for....


I know it's for the burger chain, but a part of me has always been reluctant to go to www.fiveguys.com
 
2013-05-03 11:14:46 AM
So...who's in the mood for a Summon Dittybopper and Summon Marcus Aurelius card set?

""Talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets..." ..."

"Thanks so much for your misguided efforts..."
 
2013-05-03 11:23:22 AM

dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.


I don't know where you get your ammo, but around here and most of the US idiots are hoarding and speculating .22lr, 9mm, and .223 like it's going out of style. I have never seen so many scumbags selling boxes of cheap .22lr for $8 or $9 than I did last month. Add into the equation people like me, who just want to plink a little, and you have an issue. Any opportunity to buy ammo for retail is one I would gladly take.

Don't lecture me on Economics. The ammo shortage has everything to do with panicking idiots, speculators and hoarders stockpiling their bunker or whatever. It will die down, hopefully by the end of the year. It has already on large cap magazines and ARs.
 
2013-05-03 11:29:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: Following the Newtown shooting spree, Dick's Sporting Goods changed their policy and stopped selling AR-pattern and other semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, even the guns they had already sold

They stopped selling the guns they had already sold.  This is truly unprecedented.

Actually, they did just that:  They pre-sold some AR-15's, guaranteeing they'd be available for Christmas, and they reneged on that, though they did refund the money.

It's not the money that pissed gun owners off, though.

I remember when Smith and Wesson was almost driven out of business for trying to put integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.

Thanks so much for your misguided efforts.


This.

He probably also doesn't buy money saving light bulbs for similar reasons.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:27 AM

dittybopper: Whatthefark: I told him a lever action .30-30 is was one of the most popular rifles ever built

FTFY.

You know what has been gradually replacing the lever action .30-30 as the blue collar deep woods/swamp deer gun?  SKS and AK clones in 7.62x39mm.

The guns are accurate enough out to 75 or 100 yards with open sights for deer hunting, the cartridge is just a little bit less powerful than the .30-30 (but not significantly so), you don't have to jack a lever to get a quick follow up shot, they kick less than a .30-30 carbine, they are very reliable, they are generally less expensive than a new Marlin or Winchester, and you can get a bunch of aftermarket stuff for them like "sporter" style Monte Carlo stocks, and for the SKS, 5 round magazines that are flush with the bottom of the stock.


Yeah, the old get replaced with the new. Still, there is something about dropping a deer with a lever action. I personally prefer the .35 Remington cartridge, but the .30-30 is a classic everyone should shoot.
 
2013-05-03 11:40:08 AM

NEPAman: So...who's in the mood for a Summon Dittybopper and Summon Marcus Aurelius card set?

""Talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets..." ..."

"Thanks so much for your misguided efforts..."


I've already got a card:

www.blahpers.com
 
2013-05-03 11:42:43 AM

Whatthefark: Yeah, the old get replaced with the new. Still, there is something about dropping a deer with a lever action. I personally prefer the .35 Remington cartridge, but the .30-30 is a classic everyone should shoot.


Dad has a Browning-designed FN semi-auto made in 1913 (same as the Remington Model 8) in .35 Remington.  Still shoots like it was brand new, and he has used to hunt with.
 
2013-05-03 11:50:00 AM

dittybopper: Whatthefark: Yeah, the old get replaced with the new. Still, there is something about dropping a deer with a lever action. I personally prefer the .35 Remington cartridge, but the .30-30 is a classic everyone should shoot.

Dad has a Browning-designed FN semi-auto made in 1913 (same as the Remington Model 8) in .35 Remington.  Still shoots like it was brand new, and he has used to hunt with.


I have my grandpa's Model 8. Serial number shows it was built in 1908, before it was called the Model 8. It still shoots fine as long as I feed it the .35 Rem 200 grain CoreLokts. She's picky with other brands.
 
2013-05-03 12:11:23 PM

dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.


Actually Econ 101 will tell you that in the long term prices have to go up if demand increases.
 
2013-05-03 12:15:36 PM

jst3p: dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.

Actually Econ 101 will tell you that in the long term prices have to go up if demand increases.


Yes, so long as the supply doesn't increase along with it.  If demand increases and supply increases to match it, the price remains stable.
 
2013-05-03 12:19:17 PM

dittybopper: jst3p: dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.

Actually Econ 101 will tell you that in the long term prices have to go up if demand increases.

Yes, so long as the supply doesn't increase along with it.  If demand increases and supply increases to match it, the price remains stable.


The scenario you provided stated there would be no increase in supply. You gave two possible outcomes. Under the conditions you supplied there is really only one, long term.
 
2013-05-03 12:20:21 PM

dittybopper: jst3p: dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.

Actually Econ 101 will tell you that in the long term prices have to go up if demand increases.

Yes, so long as the supply doesn't increase along with it.  If demand increases and supply increases to match it, the price remains stable.


Just to expand upon this:  The reason for the shortages is that the ammo companies couldn't increase production (and thus supply) to match demand.  There are structural reasons for that:  those companies just didn't have the excess manufacturing capacity to handle the increase in demand, and they are running full-tilt to satisfy that demand.

Hornady even has an FAQ on their website about it.
 
2013-05-03 12:21:51 PM

dittybopper: dittybopper: jst3p: dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.

Actually Econ 101 will tell you that in the long term prices have to go up if demand increases.

Yes, so long as the supply doesn't increase along with it.  If demand increases and supply increases to match it, the price remains stable.

Just to expand upon this:  The reason for the shortages is that the ammo companies couldn't increase production (and thus supply) to match demand.  There are structural reasons for that:  those companies just didn't have the excess manufacturing capacity to handle the increase in demand, and they are running full-tilt to satisfy that demand.

Hornady even has an FAQ on their website about it.


Then prepare to pay more for your hobby, that's all I am saying.

/is taking econ 101 so I am getting a kick
 
2013-05-03 12:45:59 PM

trotsky: dittybopper: trotsky: Sure, their policy may be stupid, but any opportunity to stick it to the hoarders and speculators is worth it in my book.

I guess you didn't take Economics 101.   Demand increased without an effective increase in the supply.  There are only two ways that can go:  Either the prices remain constant and there ends up being a shortage (where we are now), or the prices go up so that a supply remains, but each unit costs more so that only those who truly value the good end up purchasing it.

BTW, talking about "hoarders and speculators" isn't all that different from the "hoarders and wreckers" phraseology so beloved of the Soviets.

I don't know where you get your ammo, but around here and most of the US idiots are hoarding and speculating .22lr, 9mm, and .223 like it's going out of style. I have never seen so many scumbags selling boxes of cheap .22lr for $8 or $9 than I did last month. Add into the equation people like me, who just want to plink a little, and you have an issue. Any opportunity to buy ammo for retail is one I would gladly take.

Don't lecture me on Economics. The ammo shortage has everything to do with panicking idiots, speculators and hoarders stockpiling their bunker or whatever. It will die down, hopefully by the end of the year. It has already on large cap magazines and ARs.


Ammo makers are intentionally not making more.  They are wanting to drive the price up because they know they can.  They have a large rather uneducated market that they can pretty much influence at anytime into buying more.  You don't think the rhetoric of the NRA is coming directly from CEOs of gun and ammo manufacturers then you are naive.  They constantly harp to their members the government is about to ban this and that and while they are fighting hard for their gun rights, it wouldn't hurt you to stock up on some of our ammo that could possibly be banned because we have on record the evil Dems want to put in more extensive background checks.
 
2013-05-03 12:50:39 PM
fisherman here who doesn't hunt. i go to there because of the gun ban. their fishing stuff is getting price slashed and i like it but their inventory control and pricing is a nightmare. items in the same product line are priced wrong. you can grab 3 different colors of a fishing lure and they have different prices. i managed to pick up quite a few fishing lures at 1/3 their cost by picking through colors, sizes, and such stuff. dicks is on a downward spiral.
 
2013-05-03 01:16:06 PM

Marcus Aurelius: integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.


imageshack.us

Do I have to return mine?
 
2013-05-03 01:30:17 PM

jst3p: Then prepare to pay more for your hobby, that's all I am saying.

/is taking econ 101 so I am getting a kick


Actually, since I shoot this:

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I don't have to worry about whether ammunition manufacturers can keep up, or what their prices are.  Demand for black powder, beeswax, tallow, linen, lead, and flint doesn't seem to have increased all that much.

Hell, I can make my own powder if I'm so inclined:  Newest issue of "The Backwoodsman" magazine even has an article about how to make potassium nitrate (the main ingredient in black powder) from chicken manure.
 
2013-05-03 02:05:06 PM
dittybopper:

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 That's a beaut!  Details please.
 
2013-05-03 02:08:37 PM

Hobo Jr.: Ammo makers are intentionally not making more.

 They are wanting to drive the price up because they know they can.  They have a large rather uneducated market that they can pretty much influence at anytime into buying more.  You don't think the rhetoric of the NRA is coming directly from CEOs of gun and ammo manufacturers then you are naive.  They constantly harp to their members the government is about to ban this and that and while they are fighting hard for their gun rights, it wouldn't hurt you to stock up on some of our ammo that could possibly be banned because we have on record the evil Dems want to put in more extensive background checks.

This is just as stupid as those people who think the shortage is caused by the government buying up all the ammo.

The biggest, though not only,  misconception is about the NRA.  It is, at its heart, a grassroots organization more than willing to drive its supposed corporate masters out of business if it thinks those "masters" have stabbed it in the back.

Remember what happened to Smith and Wesson.
 
2013-05-03 03:29:50 PM

NEPAman: dittybopper:

[img236.imageshack.us image 582x181]

 That's a beaut!  Details please.


It's a transitional long rifle (though not a 100% copy of any extant original).  Barrel is a 36" Green Mountain barrel in .54" caliber with a 1 in 66" twist.  The lock is a Large Siler, with the moving parts polished for a faster lock time.  The wood is a piece of medium grade curly maple.  I bought the parts one at a time, including a rough chunk of maple, and my father built the gun to my specifications.  He's been building guns for over 50 years.  He fabricated the trigger, sights, ramrod thimbles, toe plate, nose cap, and patchbox opening mechanism from scratch, along with the 'hot shot' style touch hole.

The stock has a 1/2" of "cast-off".  He measured me for the length of pull and drop in the stock by using a 'try gun', a plywood cut-out of a gun with a joint at the wrist to adjust angle and length.  Because it's built specifically to my frame, when I throw it up to my shoulder, the sights are already aligned.

I shoot 100 grains of 2F black powder, with a 230 grain .535" lead ball in a greased linen patch.

It's very pretty when the brass is all shiny, but because I hunt with it, I let it tarnish so it doesn't reflect the sun so much and warn the deer.

Of all the other guns he's made, I've got dibs on the Baker Rifle he built:

i54.tinypic.com

Baker under my rifle, and here is the Baker with the sword bayonet:

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It's a .62 caliber thumper, but it eats flints if you don't cut the jaw leather long on the top.  My rifle doesn't have that problem, but the Baker is a beautiful gun.  The pictures don't do justice to the plum brown barrel and walnut stock.
 
2013-05-03 07:13:44 PM
Some of you Farkers put the "Nuts" in Gun Nuts. You really won't shop at Dick's because they won't sell guns even if they have good deals on other stuff? I don't disagree on the basic stuff that if you want to own a gun within the law that you should. But a lot of you make gun ownership the end all and be all of life. You're all probably nice people and all, but I can't comprehend this self value linked to gun ownership.
 
2013-05-03 07:23:07 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: I remember when Smith and Wesson was almost driven out of business for trying to put integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.

Thanks so much for your misguided efforts.

BTW, I was never a customer of Smith and Wesson for several reasons:

1. I'm not a handgun guy.  I like rifles.
2. I'm not a modern gun guy.  I like flintlocks.
3. I live in a state where getting permission just to purchase a handgun is like a 6 month visit to the dentist.
4. At the time, I was unemployed and purchasing a gun, *ANY* gun (and most especially a brand new $500+ handgun), was out of the question financially.

Though I will say that I did my part to help encourage people online to boycott Smith and Wesson.


My baby brother has a percussion cap rifle, but that's about as far back as I'm willing to go.  Technology is my friend.  My next rifle is going to be for piglet hunting in Texas.  I'm thinking of a Browning BAR in 270 WSM with a 26" barrel and BOSS/muzzle brake combo.

But I admire your purity.   Even if you can't shoot in the rain :)
 
2013-05-03 07:28:50 PM

skinink: Some of you Farkers put the "Nuts" in Gun Nuts. You really won't shop at Dick's because they won't sell guns even if they have good deals on other stuff? I don't disagree on the basic stuff that if you want to own a gun within the law that you should. But a lot of you make gun ownership the end all and be all of life. You're all probably nice people and all, but I can't comprehend this self value linked to gun ownership.


The funny thing about demonizing the Democrats over gun control is that the worst gun control act of all time was passed under Reagan.  It banned the domestic private sale of machine guns manufatured after 1986.  That law sucked ass.
 
2013-05-03 08:00:58 PM

spickus: Marcus Aurelius: integrated gun locks into their revolvers.  I wanted one of those.  And I can't have one because of people like you.

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Do I have to return mine?


If you want to go from safe to fire to safe again, then yes, you will have to re-turn it.
 
2013-05-03 09:46:13 PM

Marcus Aurelius: But I admire your purity.   Even if you can't shoot in the rain :)


Actually, I *CAN* shoot in the rain.

Once.

I actually did that this last hunting season.  Sat out all morning in a drizzle and didn't see anything, and when I gave up for the day around noontime, I unloaded the rifle (as always) by shooting it.

The trick to it is to run a bead of patch lube about 6 inches from where the pan meets the barrel, back down towards the  pan, and run a bead of it around the pan and back behind it.  That keeps any moisture from entering the pan.

Plus, you want to keep your lock covered if possible.  I used a glove, but after that I actually made a cow's knee.  It's a cover for the lock made of beeswax-impregnated leather.

I probably could have loaded and shot again, because it wasn't *THAT* wet out, but in a driving rain I'd get 1 shot.
 
2013-05-03 09:54:54 PM

Marcus Aurelius: skinink: Some of you Farkers put the "Nuts" in Gun Nuts. You really won't shop at Dick's because they won't sell guns even if they have good deals on other stuff? I don't disagree on the basic stuff that if you want to own a gun within the law that you should. But a lot of you make gun ownership the end all and be all of life. You're all probably nice people and all, but I can't comprehend this self value linked to gun ownership.

The funny thing about demonizing the Democrats over gun control is that the worst gun control act of all time was passed under Reagan.  It banned the domestic private sale of machine guns manufatured after 1986.  That law sucked ass.


That wasn't really his fault, though, and it wasn't that bad, it only effected a relatively small minority of gun owners, and in trade we got the following:

1. Protection for people traveling through states with strict firearms laws.
2. Removal of the requirement for record keeping for ammo purchases
3. Ability to purchase long guns in neighboring states
4. Ability to purchase ammo through the mail.
5. Restrictions on how often the ATF could do an unannounced inspection of an FFL not related to a specific crime or trace request
6. A prohibition on a federal gun registry

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm the first person to say the Hughes Amendment should be repealed.  But the freeze of the supply of transferable machine guns ain't the worst, not by a long-shot.  The GCA '68 as originally passed was worse, as was the Brady Bill (found to be partially unconstitutional) and the original Assault Weapons Ban, because they effected far more guns and far more owners.
 
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