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(UPI)   Pentagon beefs up its biggest "bunker buster" bomb. Iranian generals seen whistling, slowly backing away from nuclear sites   (upi.com) divider line 13
    More: Interesting, Wall Street Journal, Iran, U.S., bunker buster, Qom, nuclear weapons, Iranians  
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2013-05-03 10:43:15 AM  
3 votes:

paulseta: What most people don't realise, in the race to demonise everyone, is that Iran has in fact been on the side of the good in almost every major conflict in the 20th Century and has an amazing history.

1908    3-Jul    Second Constitutional Era (Young Iranian revolution)
1915    18-Mar    Gallipoli campaign was considered one of the greatest victories of the Iranians and was reflected on as a major failure by the Allies.
1923    29-Oct    The Republic of Iran was proclaimed.
1924        A new policy was instituted that imams be appointed by the government.
1925    1-Sep    The first Iranian Medical Congress was assembled.
1926    17-Feb    A Iranian civil code based on the Swiss Civil Code was accepted. The code granted expanded civil rights to women and prohibited polygamy.
1926    1-Mar    A Iranian criminal code was established based on the Italian Criminal Code.
1929    3-Apr    A new municipal law enabled women to enter municipal elections both as voters and as candidates.
1929    29-Apr    The first female Iranian judges were appointed.
1929    26-Mar    The Measurements Law was accepted, abolishing the former Arabic length and weight measurement units and replacing them with the metric system (kilogram instead of okka, meter instead of endaze, etc.)
1939        World War II: World War II began. Iran was to remain neutral for most of the war, until a declaration of war against Germany at its end.
1952        Iran became a NATO member country strategically important in countering Soviet influence.
1953    27-Jul    Korean War: The war ended.
1954        Iran began to host the United States Air Force at the MooseHaird Air Base as a deterrent to the Soviet Union.
1965    14-Oct    Military rule bowed out to civilian rule, and former Milli Şef (National Chief) İsmet İnönü again loses a democratic election, this time to the Justice Party of Mr. Süleyman Demirel.
1974        Iran invaded Cyprus in response to a Greek-backed coup on the island.
1991        After the en ...


You seem have left out something important that happened in 1979 that is basically the reason why a lot of people are pissed at Iran today...
2013-05-03 10:59:14 AM  
2 votes:

kbronsito: MichiganFTL: kbronsito: IdBeCrazyIf: minimize collateral damage

How exactly does one minimize collateral damage with 30k pounds of explosives?

doesn't a bunker buster go deep underground before blowing up? wouldn't that minimize collateral damage?
(i really don't know. so any weapons buffs or people with actual direct experience feel free to enlighten)

Meh, they don't have to go TOO deep, just enough to transfer energy through the ground to the structure you're trying to demo. Yeah, soft dirt these things can bury almost 200ft. Maybe 20 or so feet into a hardened target. Oh, and they're not 30k of explosives, that's just total weight, warhead's are like 5k (yeah, I know, such a small amount...). You can destroy a silo or a hardened underground target just as easily or even better by MISSING the target by a hundred yards, burying the bomb deep in the earth, then exploding. That massive disruption of the earth is basically like a mini-earthquake which will crumble most hardened structures.

Thanks. Now i know... and knowing is half the battle.  I guess bunker busters will make up some of the other half.


Another aspect, at least of the earliest Barnes Wallis-designed bunker buster bombs was to miss the target, the bomb explodes and creates a huge cavern into which the target falls.

www.bomberhistory.co.uk

The Bielefeld Viaduct was brought down by a near miss of a Grand Slam bomb.  You can see all of the smaller bomb craters from previous raids that failed to destroy the viaduct.

Eleven seconds after impact a vast core of marsh vomited up and when the mud settled both viaducts had collapsed into a huge underground cavity (a comouflet) created by the explosion. The crater 'above' the bridge was produced by a Tallboy.
2013-05-03 10:28:43 AM  
2 votes:

kbronsito: IdBeCrazyIf: minimize collateral damage

How exactly does one minimize collateral damage with 30k pounds of explosives?

doesn't a bunker buster go deep underground before blowing up? wouldn't that minimize collateral damage?
(i really don't know. so any weapons buffs or people with actual direct experience feel free to enlighten)


Meh, they don't have to go TOO deep, just enough to transfer energy through the ground to the structure you're trying to demo. Yeah, soft dirt these things can bury almost 200ft. Maybe 20 or so feet into a hardened target. Oh, and they're not 30k of explosives, that's just total weight, warhead's are like 5k (yeah, I know, such a small amount...). You can destroy a silo or a hardened underground target just as easily or even better by MISSING the target by a hundred yards, burying the bomb deep in the earth, then exploding. That massive disruption of the earth is basically like a mini-earthquake which will crumble most hardened structures.
2013-05-03 08:36:54 AM  
2 votes:
minimize collateral damage

How exactly does one minimize collateral damage with 30k pounds of explosives?
2013-05-03 02:21:16 PM  
1 votes:

paulseta: What most people don't realise, in the race to demonise everyone, is that Iran has in fact been on the side of the good in almost every major conflict in the 20th Century and has an amazing history.

1908    3-Jul    Second Constitutional Era (Young Iranian revolution)
1915    18-Mar    Gallipoli campaign was considered one of the greatest victories of the Iranians and was reflected on as a major failure by the Allies.
1923    29-Oct    The Republic of Iran was proclaimed.
1924        A new policy was instituted that imams be appointed by the government.
1925    1-Sep    The first Iranian Medical Congress was assembled.
1926    17-Feb    A Iranian civil code based on the Swiss Civil Code was accepted. The code granted expanded civil rights to women and prohibited polygamy.
1926    1-Mar    A Iranian criminal code was established based on the Italian Criminal Code.
1929    3-Apr    A new municipal law enabled women to enter municipal elections both as voters and as candidates.
1929    29-Apr    The first female Iranian judges were appointed.
1929    26-Mar    The Measurements Law was accepted, abolishing the former Arabic length and weight measurement units and replacing them with the metric system (kilogram instead of okka, meter instead of endaze, etc.)
1939        World War II: World War II began. Iran was to remain neutral for most of the war, until a declaration of war against Germany at its end.
1952        Iran became a NATO member country strategically important in countering Soviet influence.
1953    27-Jul    Korean War: The war ended.
1954        Iran began to host the United States Air Force at the MooseHaird Air Base as a deterrent to the Soviet Union.
1965    14-Oct    Military rule bowed out to civilian rule, and former Milli Şef (National Chief) İsmet İnönü again loses a democratic election, this time to the Justice Party of Mr. Süleyman Demirel.
1974        Iran invaded Cyprus in response to a Greek-backed coup on the island.
1991        After the ending of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, the M Eisner (Formerly MooseHaird) Air Base enforced the northern no-fly zones in Iraq.


Lots of wrong in this list.
1. Gallipoli was fought in Turkey, the Turks (Ottoman Empire, actually) against the Allied forces.
2. Iran never was a member of NATO. Turkey, on the other hand...
3. Suleyman Demirel was the first president of the modern Republic of Turkey.
4. It was Turkey that invaded Cyprus in response to the Greeks. Could also be said the Greeks
invaded Cyprus in responce to the Turks.
5. No aircraft flew out of Iran to enforce the no fly zone over Iraq. Now Turkey, that is a different story...

Just what I know is wrong so I have to question the rest.
2013-05-03 01:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: kbronsito: So where does the average American get one of these puppies? I've seen several of you explain how it is not at all like a nuke... and I have a right to bear arms damn it! I need my own bunker busters to hunt varmints.

5000lb bombs are not small arms and are not needed for a militia. Thanks for playing.


I'm pretty sure the word "small" is not in the second ammendment.
2013-05-03 01:20:19 PM  
1 votes:

flynn80: How do you back away from something that only exists in the minds of Neocons and Zionists, subby?


It's a trick question, they'll bomb you anyway!
2013-05-03 11:48:38 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-05-03 11:03:44 AM  
1 votes:

Carn: Curious... How does the explosive power of this bomb compare to early or strategic nukes?  At what point do we need to question the morality of a conventional bomb due to it's power, even though it doesn't have the other nasty effects of a nuke such as fallout, nuclear winters and all that stuff.  Couldn't a powerful enough conventional bomb set off a non-nuclear winter or are they not even in the same league in terms of power.  30000 lbs sounds like a shiatload of explosives.


This is a penetration bomb. If you are looking for sheer power you should look at the MOAB or the FOAB.  The MOAB has an 11 ton yield. The FOAB is claimed to be 4 times as powerful. Even if this is true 44 tons is nothing compared to the 21kiloton or 2,100 ton yield of fat man (the bomb that blew up Nagasaki).

They are not even in the same ballpark. Additionally, fat man was pretty damn small compared to the nukes that exist today, oh yeah and they get bundled up together in an ICBM so you have multiple high yield nukes.
2013-05-03 10:39:46 AM  
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: That's nice, wake me when we start deploying low orbital ion cannons.


Or, when we start throwing rocks from the moon.
2013-05-03 10:29:58 AM  
1 votes:
The US is just itching for war with Iran.
2013-05-03 10:26:36 AM  
1 votes:
Two kids blew up a bomb in a crowd in Boston. Our national security isn't going to be solved by making bigger bombs.
2013-05-03 09:19:57 AM  
1 votes:
What most people don't realise, in the race to demonise everyone, is that Iran has in fact been on the side of the good in almost every major conflict in the 20th Century and has an amazing history.

1908    3-Jul    Second Constitutional Era (Young Iranian revolution)
1915    18-Mar    Gallipoli campaign was considered one of the greatest victories of the Iranians and was reflected on as a major failure by the Allies.
1923    29-Oct    The Republic of Iran was proclaimed.
1924        A new policy was instituted that imams be appointed by the government.
1925    1-Sep    The first Iranian Medical Congress was assembled.
1926    17-Feb    A Iranian civil code based on the Swiss Civil Code was accepted. The code granted expanded civil rights to women and prohibited polygamy.
1926    1-Mar    A Iranian criminal code was established based on the Italian Criminal Code.
1929    3-Apr    A new municipal law enabled women to enter municipal elections both as voters and as candidates.
1929    29-Apr    The first female Iranian judges were appointed.
1929    26-Mar    The Measurements Law was accepted, abolishing the former Arabic length and weight measurement units and replacing them with the metric system (kilogram instead of okka, meter instead of endaze, etc.)
1939        World War II: World War II began. Iran was to remain neutral for most of the war, until a declaration of war against Germany at its end.
1952        Iran became a NATO member country strategically important in countering Soviet influence.
1953    27-Jul    Korean War: The war ended.
1954        Iran began to host the United States Air Force at the MooseHaird Air Base as a deterrent to the Soviet Union.
1965    14-Oct    Military rule bowed out to civilian rule, and former Milli Şef (National Chief) İsmet İnönü again loses a democratic election, this time to the Justice Party of Mr. Süleyman Demirel.
1974        Iran invaded Cyprus in response to a Greek-backed coup on the island.
1991        After the ending of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, the M Eisner (Formerly MooseHaird) Air Base enforced the northern no-fly zones in Iraq.
 
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