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(WTKR)   In World War II, there were 30 Navy ships for every admiral. Now, the Navy has more admirals than ships   (wtkr.com ) divider line
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2013-05-03 06:21:58 AM  
This is why we can't have nice things (in the Navy).
 
2013-05-03 06:51:04 AM  
To be fair, just one of today's ships could sink most of the WWII fleet.
 
2013-05-03 06:52:15 AM  
 
2013-05-03 06:53:16 AM  
I heard we have a lot less muskets than we used to, also. IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!!!
 
2013-05-03 07:16:42 AM  
Grade inflation is everywhere. A 4.0 is no longer considered a good GPA for a college applicant.

Now you haven't made it in the Navy until you and all your buddies are Admirals. The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.
 
2013-05-03 07:22:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Oh, and Parkinson's Law FTW


Well, that explains everything.
 
2013-05-03 07:26:06 AM  
On the plus side though we have less than 300 ships.
Back in the day Reagan wanted more than 500.
 
2013-05-03 08:00:35 AM  
Ok, there still isn't a single Navy on the entire planet that can truly rival ours.  Nobody can project power like we can.
 
2013-05-03 08:33:22 AM  
Meh. Just create a new rank, one over admiral, and a couple of intermediary ranks between that new top rank and admiral. Badmirals or something, I don't know.

Also, start dividing ships. Not literally, of course, that would be stupid. They'd sink. But one guy could be in charge of the front halves of, say, 5 ships, and another guy could be in charge of the back halves. This would also help foster teamwork because they'd have to collaborate. Actually, maybe admirals could be the guys who command half a ship, and badmirals are the guys above them who oversee the whole ship.

PROBLEM SOLVED.
 
2013-05-03 08:36:42 AM  
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2013-05-03 08:37:12 AM  

MrBallou: Grade inflation is everywhere. A 4.0 is no longer considered a good GPA for a college applicant.

Now you haven't made it in the Navy until you and all your buddies are Admirals. The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.


As a LCDR I'm getting a kick...

And yes, it's true (sort of).  Decision authority has gradually been siphoned up the chain over the decades.
 
2013-05-03 09:09:13 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Meh. Just create a new rank, one over admiral, and a couple of intermediary ranks between that new top rank and admiral. Badmirals or something, I don't know.

Also, start dividing ships. Not literally, of course, that would be stupid. They'd sink. But one guy could be in charge of the front halves of, say, 5 ships, and another guy could be in charge of the back halves. This would also help foster teamwork because they'd have to collaborate. Actually, maybe admirals could be the guys who command half a ship, and badmirals are the guys above them who oversee the whole ship.

PROBLEM SOLVED.


Why not call them front admirals and rear admirals?
 
2013-05-03 09:18:56 AM  

Cythraul: they're signing up new seamen fast.


as a kid, i had no idea bout the whole campy gay thing. i think i was 8 or 9 when that song came out; i thought it was just a nice song about the navy. i'm sure there are still suburban moms who don't understand where the village people are coming from and who happily sing along to YMCA oblivious to its campy cheekiness.
 
2013-05-03 09:31:50 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Pocket Ninja: Meh. Just create a new rank, one over admiral, and a couple of intermediary ranks between that new top rank and admiral. Badmirals or something, I don't know.

Also, start dividing ships. Not literally, of course, that would be stupid. They'd sink. But one guy could be in charge of the front halves of, say, 5 ships, and another guy could be in charge of the back halves. This would also help foster teamwork because they'd have to collaborate. Actually, maybe admirals could be the guys who command half a ship, and badmirals are the guys above them who oversee the whole ship.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

Why not call them front admirals and rear admirals?


Which one goes in the barrel?
 
2013-05-03 09:45:56 AM  
Why do admirals need ships? They can be like bankers: "I am the vice president of my desk! I command the stapler, and all that surrounds it!"
 
2013-05-03 09:49:34 AM  
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
 
2013-05-03 09:50:42 AM  
Still, we delivered the bomb.
 
2013-05-03 09:52:30 AM  

nekom: Ok, there still isn't a single Navy on the entire planet that can truly rival ours.  Nobody can project power like we can.


Pretty sure our navy could take the entire navies of the world, including allies, at once.
 
2013-05-03 09:53:02 AM  
I'd like to see a breakdown of the types of ships then and now.  I imagine we had a ton of landing craft that we don't now.  Also, were the ships used to carry supplies included?  Likely most of that is done by air now.
 
2013-05-03 09:53:19 AM  
I sell scrambled eggs, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread. If only the tea baggers liked uniforms and hats.

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2013-05-03 09:53:25 AM  
We had over 6,000 active ships in World War II.
 
2013-05-03 09:54:00 AM  
I used to live in a town in Jersey that had a police department that consisted of 22 police officers......10 patrolmen and 12 supervisory officers.  Average pay was $140K per officer.
 
2013-05-03 09:54:02 AM  
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2013-05-03 09:56:32 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: nekom: Ok, there still isn't a single Navy on the entire planet that can truly rival ours.  Nobody can project power like we can.

Pretty sure our navy could take the entire navies of the world, including allies, at once.


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Yeah, I'd say that's accurate.
 
2013-05-03 09:56:38 AM  

MrBallou: Grade inflation is everywhere. A 4.0 is no longer considered a good GPA for a college applicant.

Now you haven't made it in the Navy until you and all your buddies are Admirals. The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.


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2013-05-03 09:58:11 AM  
In World War I, there were 17 Army mules for every general. Now, the Army has more generals than mules.
 
2013-05-03 09:58:22 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: nekom: Ok, there still isn't a single Navy on the entire planet that can truly rival ours.  Nobody can project power like we can.

Pretty sure our navy could take the entire navies of the world, including allies, at once.


Yep.
And it costs us untold billions of dollars per year to wield capabilities beyond our possible needs.
 
2013-05-03 09:59:44 AM  
"Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets"

We don't the 450 ships like DE-36 anymore.
 
2013-05-03 10:00:01 AM  

Banned on the Run: I'd like to see a breakdown of the types of ships then and now.  I imagine we had a ton of landing craft that we don't now.  Also, were the ships used to carry supplies included?  Likely most of that is done by air now.


Many of the supply and transport ships were controlled by the Army instead of the Navy.  At one point the US Army had a bigger fleet than the US Navy.
 
2013-05-03 10:01:32 AM  
It's almost as if the US has become inefficient in their push to have a burgeoning world-class military that can go anywhere and destroy anything on a moment's notice.

Historically speaking, the chances of another Hitler or Atilla the Hun or Alexander the Great coming along and needing to defend against such a threat is just lower than a school being shot up in this country. Really, it's OK to reduce military sizes in peacetime, you don't have to invent reasons to keep expanding the military.
 
2013-05-03 10:01:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, just one of today's ships could sink most of the WWII fleet.


This.  Also, They're not taking into account the variety of other activities in which the Navy is engaged.  Think about how much good Adm. Grace Hopper did for our country, and she never commanded a ship.
 
2013-05-03 10:02:04 AM  
I think the RCMP has more horses than the US Army, too.
 
2013-05-03 10:03:16 AM  

id10ts: On the plus side though we have less than 300 ships.


Fewer than 300 ships and yet we waste precious ship-naming opportunities on Presidents who weren't Naval heros!
 
2013-05-03 10:05:44 AM  
I don't think it's a secret that the military would lose no combat capability if half its flag officers died in their sleep one night.
 
2013-05-03 10:06:18 AM  
Admirals of today, are NOTHING like their WW2 counterparts.
Today's admirals, are nothing more than POLITICIANS in drag.
 
2013-05-03 10:06:40 AM  

MrBallou: The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.


You owe an apology to every deck hand in the Navy.
 
2013-05-03 10:08:46 AM  

MrBallou: Grade inflation is everywhere. A 4.0 is no longer considered a good GPA for a college applicant.

Now you haven't made it in the Navy until you and all your buddies are Admirals. The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.


WUT?
 
2013-05-03 10:08:53 AM  

MBooda: MrBallou: The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.

You owe an apology to every deck hand in the Navy.


Well, to be fair, he WAS a Master Chief in the Core.
 
2013-05-03 10:10:04 AM  

Bravo Two: you don't have to invent reasons to keep expanding the military.


Theres no inventing necessary. It's pretty clear our wonderful congress-critters love cutting costs on everything they can when they aren't subsidizing military related jobs in their own districts.
 
2013-05-03 10:10:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, just one of today's ships could sink most of the WWII fleet.


The issue isn't the amount of firepower it is the dispersion of that firepower. Roughly 40%-45% of a fleet is deployed at any given moment and you can't really bump that up much higher without some really serious maintenance issues later on. That means that the odds increase that you won't have a ship where you need it when you need it.
 
2013-05-03 10:11:54 AM  

doyner: MrBallou: Grade inflation is everywhere. A 4.0 is no longer considered a good GPA for a college applicant.

Now you haven't made it in the Navy until you and all your buddies are Admirals. The deck hands are all Lt. Cdrs.

As a LCDR I'm getting a kick...

And yes, it's true (sort of).  Decision authority has gradually been siphoned up the chain over the decades.


Clicked on your profile.  You sir seem like a very cool and very well rounded individual.  If I can offer a bit of advise, please reconsider your plans on going to law school.  If it is your intent to end up somewhere in an office trying to win disputes over manufactured claims, please don't.  Your life now seems pretty kick ass.  You're doing is right.
 
2013-05-03 10:13:00 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Marcus Aurelius: To be fair, just one of today's ships could sink most of the WWII fleet.

The issue isn't the amount of firepower it is the dispersion of that firepower. Roughly 40%-45% of a fleet is deployed at any given moment and you can't really bump that up much higher without some really serious maintenance issues later on. That means that the odds increase that you won't have a ship where you need it when you need it.


Or we can just stop playing World's Policeman and not need ships everywhere.
 
2013-05-03 10:13:35 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Oh, and Parkinson's Law FTW


I liked that article a lot.  Great tone.
 
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2013-05-03 10:15:34 AM  
Good to hear that some of the congresscritters are starting to ask this question.   Too many ring knockers @ that level are flying a desks @ the Pentagon while ordering layoffs of the enlisted ranks.....k/dar
 
2013-05-03 10:16:09 AM  
It seems that the costs for paying top level miliatry have parallelled the widening gap between common workers and CEOs in the private sector.
 
2013-05-03 10:18:30 AM  

Bravo Two: Really, it's OK to reduce military sizes in peacetime, you don't have to invent reasons to keep expanding the military.


A ship takes ~5 years on average to build plus another year or so to get it up to snuff both materially and in crew training. Add in that we don't have the industrial base that we used to have to build ships and you can have a recipe for disaster if you don't keep up on it in peacetime.
 
2013-05-03 10:19:19 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: Bravo Two: you don't have to invent reasons to keep expanding the military.

Theres no inventing necessary. It's pretty clear our wonderful congress-critters love cutting costs on everything they can when they aren't subsidizing military related jobs in their own districts.


Well, I get it. A lot of factories grew up around providing shiat for the military, and employ a lot of people. You drop the budget on buying the shiat like tanks and whatever that people don't need that are made here in the US, those people lose their jobs because I doubt there's a demand for them to make anything else.  I doubt GM or Ford would be willing to drop the money to convert the plants over to civilian car production and keep paying the salaries the Government can afford to subsidize.

It's a shiatty position to be in. You stop paying for this crap, which helps the government's budget, you end up affecting the economy. Most politicians don't want to put money into the gamble of paying to convert military hardware manufacturers to civilian production and subsidize them while they get up and running with other types of jobs, figuring it's cheaper just to keep paying for shiat we don't need.
 
2013-05-03 10:19:50 AM  
that $17,000/sec the DoD spends has to go somewhere...
 
2013-05-03 10:21:02 AM  
My dad was USAF, and flew a jet, he was a second Lt.  When discharged, he got a bump in rank so he was a Lt. Bumped to Cpt.

What rank are F-16 pilots today?

Top heavy management, lots of great picks?  Sounds like Govt work to me.

/what do you do with a drunken
//Admiral?
 
2013-05-03 10:21:22 AM  

you have pee hands: "Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets"

We don't the 450 ships like DE-36 anymore.



First it's  Cythraulwith the Village People lyrics, and now you with the USS Manlove.  This thread is getting fabulous.
 
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