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(Fox News)   Keith Richards prefers LPs over digital music, still complains that it's getting increasingly difficult finding needles for his Victrola   (foxnews.com) divider line 136
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2013-05-03 03:55:04 AM
And that's the lesson for me today - never knew they were called that. Wonder if that pesky black and white dog knew. Bet he did, crafty thing. The puzzled look was him just wondering where he was going to plug his memory stick in
 
2013-05-03 08:14:49 AM
Yeah, like Keith Richards has ever had a problem getting a needle.
 
2013-05-03 09:28:58 AM
On same page, 16 year old Jolie

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Oh and LPs don't sound better, 69 year old hipster.
 
2013-05-03 09:50:36 AM
Right. He needs needles for his "Victrola"
 
2013-05-03 10:44:51 AM
I prefer LPs over digital any day of the week. There is nothing like putting on a record, pouring yourself a glass of scotch and enjoying the experience.


95% of the time I'm listening to digital over LP because it's so much more convenient.
 
2013-05-03 10:58:23 AM
So after the apocalypse it will be Keith Richards, cockroaches and vinyl LPs quietly enjoying the lawn in solitude?
 
2013-05-03 11:00:19 AM
I laid awake all last night wondering what physical form of media Keith Richards preferred.  Thank God I can finally get some sleep tonight.

/But what kind of toilet paper does Charlie Watts use?
//Dammit, there goes my sleep for tonight.
 
2013-05-03 11:01:34 AM
His whole career has been based on his music sounding dirty, plus he's an old bastard, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
 
2013-05-03 11:01:45 AM
For me, it's wax cylinders or nothin'.
 
2013-05-03 11:01:48 AM

Mugato: Oh and LPs don't sound better, 69 year old hipster.


Nine times out of ten I'm listening on a phone or ipod. But you still can't make me not enjoy playing the records. Because it's fun and I like it.
 
2013-05-03 11:02:09 AM

HatMadeOfAss: I laid awake all last night wondering what physical form of media Keith Richards preferred.  Thank God I can finally get some sleep tonight.

/But what kind of toilet paper does Charlie Watts use?
//Dammit, there goes my sleep for tonight.


He squeezes Charmin, and wipes his ass with the gentle weave of a Thai ladyboy.
 
2013-05-03 11:10:50 AM
Somebody in the last vinyl thread said that they had just bought a Traveler. If you pop in here,  I've been thinking about getting one.  What cart did you choose?  Do you think it's better than the Scout?  Every time I think I settle on a TT, something new comes out......
 
2013-05-03 11:13:43 AM
how many pieces of vinyl does he have?
 
2013-05-03 11:14:48 AM
Warmth.
Digital is crinkly and dry.
 
2013-05-03 11:19:34 AM
"I don't have an iPod. ... I still use CDs or records actually. Sometimes cassettes. It has much better sound; a much better sound than digital," he said in a recent interview.
Wait, CDs aren't digital?
 
2013-05-03 11:23:10 AM

puddleonfire: Warmth.
Digital is crinkly and dry.


ohboyherewego.jpg
 
2013-05-03 11:32:36 AM
Apparently subbie has never tried to find a needle for an Edison cylinder player.  Those suckers are rarer than hens teeth.
 
2013-05-03 11:32:51 AM
That warmth you hear is distortion.
Idiots.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:08 AM

StrikitRich: "I don't have an iPod. ... I still use CDs or records actually. Sometimes cassettes. It has much better sound; a much better sound than digital," he said in a recent interview.
Wait, CDs aren't digital?


You just leave facts out of this!  That's not what Fark was intended for.
 
2013-05-03 11:35:22 AM

offacue: Somebody in the last vinyl thread said that they had just bought a Traveler. If you pop in here,  I've been thinking about getting one.  What cart did you choose?  Do you think it's better than the Scout?  Every time I think I settle on a TT, something new comes out......


Techniques, man. I love a tunable table so I don't have to tune an instrument to it to play along.
Especially if that instrument has 88 keys.
 
2013-05-03 11:36:07 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Apparently subbie has never tried to find a needle for an Edison cylinder player.  Those suckers are rarer than hens teeth.


3 boxes of them.
An yes, I keep them in the hen house.
 
2013-05-03 11:37:43 AM
So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.
 
2013-05-03 11:38:12 AM
Music storage was perfected with the 8-track. I don't listen to anything but 8-tracks.

/Off to listen to some ABBA
 
2013-05-03 11:38:12 AM
He shoulda come to me.  Our old wind-up Victrola at home still had a ton of needles (steel AND bamboo!)
 
2013-05-03 11:39:40 AM

HatMadeOfAss: StrikitRich: "I don't have an iPod. ... I still use CDs or records actually. Sometimes cassettes. It has much better sound; a much better sound than digital," he said in a recent interview.
Wait, CDs aren't digital?

You just leave facts out of this!  That's not what Fark was intended for.


I think Keith is talking specifically about mp3s when he talks about digital. I doubt anyone would argue that mp3 sound coming out of a tiny phone speaker is worse than any sound format we've had in the last 50 years.
 
2013-05-03 11:43:12 AM

WhippingBoy: Music storage was perfected with the 8-track. I don't listen to anything but 8-tracks.

/Off to listen to some ABBA


Take a chance on me?
 
2013-05-03 11:44:12 AM

WhippingBoy: Music storage was perfected with the 8-track. I don't listen to anything but 8-tracks.

/Off to listen to some ABBA


Simpleton. I listen only to AAB
 
2013-05-03 11:46:00 AM
Mugato: So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.

If you look closely at the surface of the LP (you might have to tilt it carefully to catch the light properly), you can see a thin, visible gap between 'tracks'.  In each track / song, the distance between each 'lap' of the groove around the disk is closely spaced.

There's a few seconds between tracks, and they leave a little space between them on the disk.  When the master is cut, the cutting head moves inward more quickly during this pause, so you will see this 'gap' where the spacing changes, then it tightens up again when the track starts.

Lower the needle into this gap at the beginning of the desired track, and let it find the groove.  It'll start tracking on the desired song.
 
2013-05-03 11:49:31 AM
Actually steel needles for a Victrola are not hard to find.

If he wants tungsten needles (good for multiple play backs) those are harder to find, as they aren't made anymore. All we have is whatever is left of the original WWI stock.
 
2013-05-03 11:51:20 AM

Mugato: So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.


it was already explained, but this is a bit more accurate.

You get up off the couch, walk to the record player. Open the lid and lift the needle and look for the gap in the grooves. You set it down. Damnit, missed the beginning. Lift it again and set it back down. Damn, just heard the end of the song I wanted to skip. Try again. Repeat twice. Finally success. Sit back down on the couch.

that is all said with love though...
 
2013-05-03 11:52:52 AM

WhippingBoy: Music storage was perfected with the 8-track. I don't listen to anything but 8-tracks.

/Off to listen to some ABBA


8 Tracks do sound better than cassettes.  Plus they had self-contained album art and were far more portable than LPs.  The problem with them was the clunky way they transitioned between tracks.  If I would have had a band at the height of their popularity, I would have made sure the running times of songs fit exactly within the parameters of the 8 track.  And I would have been a huge loser.
 
2013-05-03 11:53:41 AM
Source don't mean shiat if you don't have Monster Cable. It's like the difference between a garden hose and a fire hose.
 
2013-05-03 11:55:03 AM
Christian Bale:StrikitRich: "I don't have an iPod. ... I still use CDs or records actually. Sometimes cassettes. It has much better sound; a much better sound than digital," he said in a recent interview.
Wait, CDs aren't digital?

You just leave facts out of this!  That's not what Fark was intended for.

I think Keith is talking specifically about mp3s when he talks about digital. I doubt anyone would argue that mp3 sound coming out of a tiny phone speaker is worse than any sound format we've had in the last 50 years.


There's digital, and there's 'digital'.  People often use the terminology incorrectly, unfortunately.

CDs are encoded in, essentially, a lossless .WAV file format - or at least, they were originally.  .MP3s, on the other hand, are a lossy compression system.  Both are digital.

My paranoid side wants to believe that .MP3s were pushed by the recording industry because they were really upset at the 'perfect recording, suffers no degradation when copied' characteristics of the original CD format.  As cheap and large as digital storage is, there's no real need to use a compression scheme - especially a lossy compression scheme.  It was just a way to try and get back some of the 'advantages' (to their way of thinking) of the old vinyl and cassette formats - i.e, they were not infinitely duplicatable.

Or not.  Those original iPods had pretty small capacities.

/given a choice, I go for lossless encoding every time.
 
2013-05-03 11:57:35 AM
He prefers vinyl over digital.

Isn't a LP a LP no matter the format?
 
2013-05-03 11:59:28 AM
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2013-05-03 12:05:08 PM

busy chillin': You get up off the couch, walk to the record player. Open the lid and lift the needle and look for the gap in the grooves. You set it down. Damnit, missed the beginning. Lift it again and set it back down. Damn, just heard the end of the song I wanted to skip. Try again. Repeat twice. Finally success. Sit back down on the couch.


Yeah, that sounds horrible.
 
2013-05-03 12:06:24 PM
Given storage costs, it's a shame we're not listening to higher bitrate lossless materials... but then with the effects of the loudness wars does it really matter?  If everyone is listening to earbuds on phones... we've already lost.   LP's have their own "losses" no matter how warm they are - every medium is a compromise to standing in the room hearing actual instruments, but why intentionally make things shiattier for a tiny bit of "convenience"?
 
2013-05-03 12:07:59 PM

Mugato: busy chillin': You get up off the couch, walk to the record player. Open the lid and lift the needle and look for the gap in the grooves. You set it down. Damnit, missed the beginning. Lift it again and set it back down. Damn, just heard the end of the song I wanted to skip. Try again. Repeat twice. Finally success. Sit back down on the couch.

Yeah, that sounds horrible.


Or just play the damn album as it was meant to be heard, or if you're at the end of the previous track, chill and sit down instead of going all OCD on it, it really isn't that big of a deal to find a track if you need to.  Easier than searching through a poorly organized mp3 collection, heh.
 
2013-05-03 12:16:37 PM

Mugato: busy chillin': You get up off the couch, walk to the record player. Open the lid and lift the needle and look for the gap in the grooves. You set it down. Damnit, missed the beginning. Lift it again and set it back down. Damn, just heard the end of the song I wanted to skip. Try again. Repeat twice. Finally success. Sit back down on the couch.

Yeah, that sounds horrible.


It's not. I don't usually skip songs, but there are a couple I just have to and that has been my experience. I guess others don't find it funny obviously.
 
2013-05-03 12:18:45 PM

Mugato: So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.


Back in the days of vinyl all the tracks were worth listening to.  An LP was 35-40 minutes of pure awesome.
 
2013-05-03 12:20:08 PM

Thelyphthoric:

Or just play the damn album as it was meant to be heard, or if you're at the end of the previous track, chill and sit down instead of going all OCD on it, it really isn't that big of a deal to find a track if you need to.  Easier than searching through a poorly organized mp3 collection, heh.


I like music too much to listen to songs I don't like.
 
2013-05-03 12:20:49 PM

jj325: Back in the days of vinyl all the tracks were worth listening to.  An LP was 35-40 minutes of pure awesome.


You better run home, there's probably someone on your lawn.
 
2013-05-03 12:22:14 PM

busy chillin': Thelyphthoric:

Or just play the damn album as it was meant to be heard, or if you're at the end of the previous track, chill and sit down instead of going all OCD on it, it really isn't that big of a deal to find a track if you need to.  Easier than searching through a poorly organized mp3 collection, heh.

I like music too much to listen to songs I don't like.


No worries, it happens.  I did like your description to be honest, but felt like having a yell at some clouds.
 
2013-05-03 12:26:49 PM

Thelyphthoric: Given storage costs, it's a shame we're not listening to higher bitrate lossless materials... but then with the effects of the loudness wars does it really matter?  If everyone is listening to earbuds on phones... we've already lost.   LP's have their own "losses" no matter how warm they are - every medium is a compromise to standing in the room hearing actual instruments, but why intentionally make things shiattier for a tiny bit of "convenience"?


Most people can't tell the difference between lossless and lossy audio such as MP3 V2.  320 CBR and V0 are nearly indistinguishable from lossless.

MP3 is pretty much a universal format.  You can use it on nearly any device.

There isn't a lossless format like that yet.  There's FLAC, which is the most accepted, but some companies like Apple refuse to adopt FLAC.  They use their own format, ALAC, which some devices can't use.

Anybody who sticks with lossless usually has a conversion program like dBpoweramp on hand to convert to whatever format they need.
 
2013-05-03 12:28:47 PM

jj325: Back in the days of vinyl all the tracks were worth listening to. An LP was 35-40 minutes of pure awesome.


Well that's just ridiculous and false.
 
2013-05-03 12:32:19 PM

Thelyphthoric: busy chillin': Thelyphthoric:

Or just play the damn album as it was meant to be heard, or if you're at the end of the previous track, chill and sit down instead of going all OCD on it, it really isn't that big of a deal to find a track if you need to.  Easier than searching through a poorly organized mp3 collection, heh.

I like music too much to listen to songs I don't like.

No worries, it happens.  I did like your description to be honest, but felt like having a yell at some clouds.


It's all good.

I view the whole experience of listening to records differently. I enjoy it. I enjoy digital too, but there is something I really like about putting a needle on a record and just letting it spin.

/As said, I don't skip many songs and I was just being funny about the possible experience when you do have to.
 
2013-05-03 12:37:48 PM
After years of playing in a very loud band I doubt Keith Richards can hear the difference unless that difference is very pronounced. He is probably talking about MP3s played through cheap ear buds.
Human hearing degrades quickly with age - much of the high range is inaudible to people over the age of 25 - so the accurate reproduction of sound in that range is something only young listeners (and bats) can hear.
 
2013-05-03 12:40:10 PM

Mugato: So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.


I'm not ragging on you by any means, but seriously?  Are you 12?  Sorry, just kinda mind-blown that somebody doesn't know that.....
 
2013-05-03 12:42:33 PM

Mugato: So tell me, how do you skip to a specific track on an LP? Seriously, I don't know.


I stamp my foot really hard on the floor. That usually works (not on concrete floors, though).
 
2013-05-03 12:43:13 PM
www.freemontsoffice.com

"It's not English, Keith. You're talking in Esperanto or some language twins teach to each other"
 
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