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2013-05-03 09:21:14 AM  
Ah flouride.  The point at which the conservtive conspiracy theorist meet the enviro wackos in the big circle of crazy.
 
2013-05-03 09:22:04 AM  

neversubmit: I once conpaired the use of fluorine to homeopathy, that was a fun thread...


Oh, you're good. Even a typo in the brag. Bravo, sir!

/my water will remember you with its memory
 
2013-05-03 09:23:08 AM  
I don't think we should do it.  I have fluoride prescriptions for my kids, and I agree with the overwhelming science supporting it being good for healthy teeth.  But I get hung up on the issue of why I should force you to make that choice.  When we do things at a societal level, I'd like the benefits to be clearly visible for society.  Saving you $15/year on dental work benefits the rest of us how?
 
2013-05-03 09:25:22 AM  

phaseolus: He ingested colloidal silver because he believed that Y2K would somehow render modern antibiotics non-functional.


Why did my nose just start bleeding when I read this?  This can't be good...
 
2013-05-03 09:26:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I just don't like the idea of my beer being adulterated with fluoride. Many Portland breweries use the city's (delicious) tap water as the basis for their beers. Adding fluoride introduces a change that is neither wanted nor desired.

Keep fluoride out of the water. If not for the childrens' sakes, at least for the beer's.


I'm sure most of the breweries already filter their water before it's brewed with. Fluoride isn't exactly hard to filter out.

If fluoride in the water bothers you that much, get a good activated carbon filter or, if you're super paranoid, a reverse osmosis filter for your drinking water.
 
2013-05-03 09:26:26 AM  

t3knomanser: Zagloba: Um, in what universe are legal doses measured in parts per million?

But let's do it right. The LD50 for sodium fluoride is 32mg/kg of bodyweight. At 1000ppm of fluoride, you'd need to consume 32g of toothpaste per kg of bodyweight for a lethal dose (unless I slipped a decimal point out). An average tube contains 164g, so a very small child could die from eating an entire tube.


Sodium fluoride, which is the reference standard for water, is measure in mg/m3  (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0563.html )

Hydorgen fluoride, a gas, is measure in PPM.  Most gases ADLH are measure in straight PPM. (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0334.html )


Also, if your afraid of Fluoride in water, you should fear the Chlorine in salt.
 
2013-05-03 09:27:23 AM  

Rootus: I don't think we should do it.  I have fluoride prescriptions for my kids, and I agree with the overwhelming science supporting it being good for healthy teeth.  But I get hung up on the issue of why I should force you to make that choice.  When we do things at a societal level, I'd like the benefits to be clearly visible for society.  Saving you $15/year on dental work benefits the rest of us how?


not sure if serious.....
 
2013-05-03 09:27:49 AM  

born_yesterday: phaseolus: He ingested colloidal silver because he believed that Y2K would somehow render modern antibiotics non-functional.

Why did my nose just start bleeding when I read this?  This can't be good...


It's because they know.
 
2013-05-03 09:29:45 AM  

Muta: Skarekrough: Lady Indica: This type of derp is dangerous.

Dangerous?

Eh, maybe....maybe not.

Entertaining?

Hell yes!

It was satire you dolts!


To be fair, though, tell me "Why am I against? Because I don't know what I'm talking about"  doesn't seem like a real Tea Party statement.
 
2013-05-03 09:30:16 AM  
Hello, welcome to my home. Would you like a glass of water? Yes? Just a moment.  Oh, by the way, our water is non-fluorinated. Would you like me to add some fluoride to your water?
 
2013-05-03 09:30:43 AM  

born_yesterday: phaseolus: He ingested colloidal silver because he believed that Y2K would somehow render modern antibiotics non-functional.

Why did my nose just start bleeding when I read this?  This can't be good...


YOU IDIOT, YOU REMOVED THE IMPLANT!!!!
 
2013-05-03 09:31:37 AM  

born_yesterday: Why did my nose just start bleeding when I read this? This can't be good...


Nothing a little silver solution couldn't fix, I'm sure.

You know what the best part of it is? Silver isn't very toxic so it doesn't really have any other damaging effects.... it's basically just a full-body warning to the rest of the world that you're a giant moron.
 
2013-05-03 09:34:43 AM  

skozlaw: born_yesterday: Why did my nose just start bleeding when I read this? This can't be good...

Nothing a little silver solution couldn't fix, I'm sure.

You know what the best part of it is? Silver isn't very toxic so it doesn't really have any other damaging effects.... it's basically just a full-body warning to the rest of the world that you're a giant moron.


Like a snuggie.
 
2013-05-03 09:35:14 AM  

EyeballKid: To be fair, though, tell me "Why am I against? Because I don't know what I'm talking about"  doesn't seem like a real Tea Party statement.


Maybe because you have a hard time with satire?

Just so you know, this guy writes for Glenn Beck.
 
2013-05-03 09:36:21 AM  

Lexx: spickus: Lexx: spickus: Lexx: farking campden tablets or charcoal filters, HOW DO THEY WORK?!

Neither remove fluoride.

Yes they do.  Let me google that for you.

No they do not and your link doesn't say that they do.

Whoops, I thought you meant Chlorine.  But carbon filtration (bone carbon) does remove fluoride from water.



If you ask for activated carbon you will not get bone char and vice versa.  It is a big difference. Claiming that carbon filtration will remove fluoride is inaccurate. Claiming that filtration with bone char will remove fluoride is correct. I currently operate a 12.5 million gallon a day water treatment facility and have been in the industry for nearly 23 years. Until today I have never heard of bone char.  Typically fluoride is removed using resin filled vessels that are regenerated with salts.
 
2013-05-03 09:41:53 AM  

Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.


I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!
 
2013-05-03 09:46:05 AM  

heypete: rufus-t-firefly: We require potassium to survive, but too much kills you.

It's always amusing to point out that potassium-40 is radioactive and is the largest source of radiation for the average person. Postassium-rich foods like bananas are sometimes used for informal examples of radiation exposure.


That reminds me - I've actually seen people arguing against water fluoridation who then confuse fluoride with uranium hexafluoride.

I'm definitely against the latter being in my water supply.
 
2013-05-03 09:49:11 AM  

Iblis824: Sodium fluoride, which is the reference standard for water, is measure in mg/m3



Most people use hydrofluosilicic acid as their source of F not sodium fluoride. The MSDS you linked is specifically for sodium fluoride and the numbers you are quoting are for exposure to airborne particles and have nothing to do with water treatment (or toothpaste). The MCL for fluoride in water is 4 mg/L. I know you were responding to a post about toothpaste but you mentioned water in your reply.
 
2013-05-03 09:50:27 AM  

spickus: I currently operate a 12.5 million gallon a day water treatment facility and have been in the industry for nearly 23 years.


Fark has such an interesting cross-section of the population wandering through it.
 
2013-05-03 09:50:53 AM  

AlienOmega: "Fluoride in toothpaste does not actually fight tooth decay. It does however render teeth visible to spy satellites."

[/just had a Justice League Unlimited binge]


The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets.  Their true purpose is sinister.
 
2013-05-03 09:51:28 AM  

Zeno-25: I'm sure most of the breweries already filter their water before it's brewed with


Most do not, actually.  They consider it part of the character of the beer.  I don't think the brewers care, however, about fluoride.
 
2013-05-03 09:54:36 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: heypete: rufus-t-firefly: We require potassium to survive, but too much kills you.

It's always amusing to point out that potassium-40 is radioactive and is the largest source of radiation for the average person. Postassium-rich foods like bananas are sometimes used for informal examples of radiation exposure.

That reminds me - I've actually seen people arguing against water fluoridation who then confuse fluoride with uranium hexafluoride.

I'm definitely against the latter being in my water supply.


Someone told me that our immune system actually relies on a certain amount of background radiation to function properly.  But I'm not arguing for uranium supplements.
 
2013-05-03 09:58:23 AM  

jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!


What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.
 
2013-05-03 09:59:06 AM  

abb3w: spickus: I currently operate a 12.5 million gallon a day water treatment facility and have been in the industry for nearly 23 years.

Fark has such an interesting cross-section of the population wandering through it.


My thoughts exactly.  This place has everything.
 
2013-05-03 10:02:07 AM  

Moopy Mac: Zagloba: TwistedFark: Toothpaste only has about 1000 ppm fluoride in it, or about 20-30 times LESS than a lethal dose.

Um, in what universe are legal doses measured in parts per million?

Please stop trying to help.

I think we can all agree that fluoride is legal.


So are Barium Enemas. I'll just leave you to take these legsl substances how ever you want.
 
2013-05-03 10:03:36 AM  

Cretony38: jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!

What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.


See? these are the type of answers that gives me the peace of mind that there are soldiers of the truth out there! Do not get me wrong, it is not as if I actually do biomedical research or some nonsense and I would NEVER know how to use PubMed. Perhaps you, soldier of truth, can link to some peer-reviewed studies showing the damaging effects of flouride at the concentrations we currently use. That would bring the truth out in the open!
 
2013-05-03 10:04:46 AM  

spickus: Iblis824: Sodium fluoride, which is the reference standard for water, is measure in mg/m3


Most people use hydrofluosilicic acid as their source of F not sodium fluoride. The MSDS you linked is specifically for sodium fluoride and the numbers you are quoting are for exposure to airborne particles and have nothing to do with water treatment (or toothpaste). The MCL for fluoride in water is 4 mg/L. I know you were responding to a post about toothpaste but you mentioned water in your reply.


From what i hear, al ot of people are moving to Sodium fluorosilicate because the hydrofluosilic acid is expensive to ship, being about 70% water.<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" sodium_fluorosilicate"="" target="_blank">

But yeah, i just linked the NIOSH guides to answer the question about when ppm is used for dangerous exposures.  NIOSH is mostly concerned with worker safety, so they'd most likely be exposed to the dust
 
2013-05-03 10:04:56 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: That reminds me - I've actually seen people arguing against water fluoridation who then confuse fluoride with uranium hexafluoride.

I'm definitely against the latter being in my water supply.


Yeah. UF6 is nasty stuff. Definitely don't want any of that around.
 
2013-05-03 10:05:06 AM  

Cretony38: jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!

What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.


If you think there was an organized plan to get us to all accept something deadly, then you're arguing for a conspiracy theory.

But I get it - you're "just asking questions."
 
2013-05-03 10:05:22 AM  
Drinking overly filtered water, in general, is bad for you.
 
2013-05-03 10:06:00 AM  

badhatharry: The amount of flouride in a tube of toothpaste could kill a small child.  If you ingests more than the amount used to brush, call poison control.

Enjoy your flouride water!


Hey, look!  Someone who can't spell "fluoride" is shiatting his pants in fear over it!  Well, he certainly seems like a reputable sort.

badhatharry: I do think that alien beings have visited Earth in the past and may still visit. There are many sightings by credible witnesses, including airline pilots and scientists. There are many references throughout history of flying craft before 1900.


badhatharry: I have seen a ghost. You would believe in them if you saw one.


In other shocking news, he's a birther who believes that climate change is a hoax and that vaccine are linked to autism.  I'm sure if we could get a Bigfoot, Moon Landing, and Flat Earth thread, he'd have a lot of knowledge to drop.
 
2013-05-03 10:09:03 AM  

Cretony38: jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!

What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.


And you wanted "a single study," right?

Fluoridation of Drinking Water: a Systematic Review of its Efficacy and Safety
http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/crd/fluorid.htm
 
2013-05-03 10:09:41 AM  

Zeno-25: AverageAmericanGuy: I just don't like the idea of my beer being adulterated with fluoride. Many Portland breweries use the city's (delicious) tap water as the basis for their beers. Adding fluoride introduces a change that is neither wanted nor desired.

Keep fluoride out of the water. If not for the childrens' sakes, at least for the beer's.

I'm sure most of the breweries already filter their water before it's brewed with. Fluoride isn't exactly hard to filter out.

If fluoride in the water bothers you that much, get a good activated carbon filter or, if you're super paranoid, a reverse osmosis filter for your drinking water.


YOU CAN'T TRICK ME, SPOOK
 
2013-05-03 10:10:23 AM  

paidhima: My thoughts exactly.  This place has everything.


You have no idea how right you are.
 
2013-05-03 10:11:48 AM  
And for the people who love conspiracy theories for the lulz:

http://insidejobscast.com/
A podcast dedicated to "fun"covering the truth!
 
2013-05-03 10:13:13 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Cretony38: jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!

What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.

And you wanted "a single study," right?

Fluoridation of Drinking Water: a Systematic Review of its Efficacy and Safety
http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/crd/fluorid.htm


Easy read if your only source of information comes from shady websites and reading the dictionary:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/41/1/129.long
 
2013-05-03 10:14:45 AM  

Iblis824: From what i hear, al ot of people are moving to Sodium fluorosilicate because the hydrofluosilic acid is expensive to ship, being about 70% water.


While it's true that HFS is mostly water and therefore more expensive to ship, the fact that it can fed neat without the need for expensive storage silos & dry feed systems ensures that it is more economical than sodium fluoride for all but the largest water plants. It's interesting that people are moving to sodium fluoride. Where did you hear that?
 
2013-05-03 10:14:55 AM  

spickus: I currently operate a 12.5 million gallon a day water treatment facility and have been in the industry for nearly 23 years.

static4.businessinsider.com


WHAT COMMUNIST CELL DO YOU BELONG TO?
 
2013-05-03 10:15:46 AM  

RexTalionis: Drinking overly filtered water, in general, is bad for you.


What is overly filtered water and why is drinking it bad for you?
 
2013-05-03 10:18:51 AM  

Rootus: Zeno-25: I'm sure most of the breweries already filter their water before it's brewed with

Most do not, actually.  They consider it part of the character of the beer.  I don't think the brewers care, however, about fluoride.


This is true.  Dissolved solids and chemicals in the water are a big part of how beer tastes.  Beer is mostly water, don't you know.

Fluroide, and other things, may be filtered out by the macrobreweries, since they have to replicate a consistent product.  Microbreweries mostly use the water that they're given because they brew in one place.
 
2013-05-03 10:21:20 AM  

spickus: Lexx: spickus: Lexx: spickus: Lexx: farking campden tablets or charcoal filters, HOW DO THEY WORK?!

Neither remove fluoride.

Yes they do.  Let me google that for you.

No they do not and your link doesn't say that they do.

Whoops, I thought you meant Chlorine.  But carbon filtration (bone carbon) does remove fluoride from water.


If you ask for activated carbon you will not get bone char and vice versa.  It is a big difference. Claiming that carbon filtration will remove fluoride is inaccurate. Claiming that filtration with bone char will remove fluoride is correct. I currently operate a 12.5 million gallon a day water treatment facility and have been in the industry for nearly 23 years. Until today I have never heard of bone char.  Typically fluoride is removed using resin filled vessels that are regenerated with salts.


OK, then you can clear this up for me.  I worked at a treatment plant years ago (*treatment plant fistbump*).  You know the open air tanks, pretty early in the process, that have oxygen pumped into them?  I swear the safety guy told me that if you fell in, you would sink in the poop-water, because the aeration would prevent buoyancy.  He said if you were smart, and kept your wits about you, you would walk to the edge of the tank, find the wall, then walk along to find the ladder out.  Was he just messing with me?  Seems like a crappy thing to do during a safety course.  Get it?!  Anyways, I brought this up a couple of years ago on FARK, and someone disagreed with me, so I'd like some vindication, if possible.
 
2013-05-03 10:22:23 AM  

spickus: RexTalionis: Drinking overly filtered water, in general, is bad for you.

What is overly filtered water and why is drinking it bad for you?


Absolutely pure H20 with no dissolved anything in it not only tastes a little flat, but is also not as good for you as other water.

If you just drank pure distilled H2O you could achieve water "poisoning" faster I guess.  Otherwise its pretty damn neutral.
 
2013-05-03 10:27:53 AM  

Rootus: When we do things at a societal level, I'd like the benefits to be clearly visible for society.  Saving you $15/year on dental work benefits the rest of us how?


Shorter wait times at the dentist's office?
 
2013-05-03 10:30:25 AM  

Iblis824: Sodium fluoride, which is the reference standard for water, is measure in mg/m3


Sodium fluoride, which is the standard for toothpaste (but not the only fluoride source), is measured in PPM in toothpaste, at least when you try and find out how much fluoride is in toothpaste, that's the only data you can easily get.
 
2013-05-03 10:38:12 AM  

born_yesterday: OK, then you can clear this up for me.  I worked at a treatment plant years ago (*treatment plant fistbump*).  You know the open air tanks, pretty early in the process, that have oxygen pumped into them?


*treatment plant fistbump*

You worked in a WASTE water treatment plant. My water has no lumps.

I swear the safety guy told me that if you fell in, you would sink in the poop-water, because the aeration would prevent buoyancy.

You are correct.

 Wear a coast Guard Approved life jacket when
working around aeration tanks where there are no
guardrails to protect you. Because of the volume in
the aeration tank that is occupied by air bubbles, a
person without a floatation device is not buoyant
enough to float or swim in an aeration basin (PDF warning)

He said if you were smart, and kept your wits about you, you would walk to the edge of the tank, find the wall, then walk along to find the ladder out.

I have never heard that but it would beat doing nothing if the basin had a ladder. Most do not!

What a way to die..... drowned in the waste of thousands of people.
 
2013-05-03 10:39:28 AM  

spickus: RexTalionis: Drinking overly filtered water, in general, is bad for you.

What is overly filtered water and why is drinking it bad for you?


http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap12.pdf    <--- From the WHO.

I'll give you some highlights:

"In this chapter, demineralised water is defined as water almost or completely free of dissolved minerals as a result of distillation, deionization, membrane filtration (reverse osmosis or nanofiltration), electrodialysis or other technology. The total dissolved solids (TDS) in such water can vary but TDS could be as low as 1 mg/L. The electrical conductivity is generally less than 2 mS/m and may even be lower (<0.1 mS/m). "

"It has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. An increase in urine output (i.e., increased diuresis) is associated with an increase in excretion of major intra- and extracellular ions from the body fluids, their negative balance, and changes in body water levels and functional activity of some body water management-dependent hormones.Experiments in animals, primarily rats, for up to one-year periods have repeatedly shown that the intake of distilled water or water with TDS≤ 75 mg/L leads to: 1.) increased water intake, diuresis, extracellular fluid volume, and serum concentrations of sodium (Na) and chloride (Cl) ions and their increased elimination from the body, resulting in an overall negative balance..,and 2.) lower volumes of red cells and some other hematocrit changes (3). "

"Additional evidence comes from animal experiments and clinical observations in several countries. Animals given zinc or magnesium dosed in their drinking water had a significantly higher concentration of these elements in the serum than animals given the same elements in much higher amounts with food and provided with low-mineral water to drink. Based on the results of experiments and clinical observations of mineral deficiency in patients whose intestinal absorption did not need to be taken into account and who received balanced intravenous nutrition diluted with distilled water, Robbins and Sly (9) presumed that intake of low-mineral water was responsible for an increased elimination of minerals from the body."

"For about 50 years, epidemiological studies in many countries all over the world have reported that soft water (i.e., water low in calcium and magnesium) and water low in magnesium is associated with increased morbidity and mortality from cardiovascular disease (CVD) compared to hard water and water high in magnesium. An overview of epidemiological evidence is provided by recent review articles (12-15) and summarized in other chapters of this monograph (Calderon and Craun, Monarca et al.). Recent studies also suggest that the intake of soft water, i.e. water low in calcium, may be associated with higher risk of fracture in children (16), certain neurodegenerative diseases (17), pre-term birth and low weight at birth (18) and some types of cancer (19, 20). In addition to an increased risk of sudden death (21-23), the intake of water low in magnesium seems to be associated with a higher risk of motor neuronal disease (24), pregnancy disorders (so-called preeclampsia) (25), and some cancers (26-29).

When used for cooking, soft water was found to cause substantial losses of all essential elements from food (vegetables, meat, cereals). Such losses may reach up to 60 % for magnesium and calcium or even more for some other microelements (e.g., copper 66 %, manganese 70 %, cobalt 86 %). In contrast, when hard water is used for cooking, the loss of these elements is much lower, and in some cases, an even higher calcium content was reported in food as a result of cooking (38-41)"

"Increased risk from toxic metals may be posed by low-mineral water in two ways: 1.) higher leaching of metals from materials in contact with water resulting in an increased metal content in drinking water, and 2.) lower protective (antitoxic) capacity of water low in calcium and magnesium.  ...
  Among eight outbreaks of chemical poisoning from drinking water reported in the USA in 1993-1994, there were three cases of lead poisoning in infants who had blood-lead levels of 15 μg/dL, 37μg/dL, and 42μg/dL. The level of concern is 10 μg/dL. For all three cases, lead had leached from brass fittings and lead-soldered seams in drinking water storage tanks. The three water systems used low mineral drinking water that had intensified the leaching process (42). First-draw water samples at the kitchen tap had lead levels of 495 to 1050 μg/L for the two infants with the highest blood lead; 66μg/L was found in water samples collected at the kitchen tap of the third infant (43). "
 
2013-05-03 10:40:53 AM  
It all comes down to if you believe in forced drugging. If you want fluoride in your water, add it your self.
 
2013-05-03 10:43:56 AM  

ourbigdumbmouth: It all comes down to if you believe in forced drugging. If you want fluoride in your water, add it your self.


Naturally occurring water has sodium fluoride in it. Would you object to it so much if municipalities simply modify the filtration system so that it doesn't remove as much fluoride as it does now in its purification?
 
2013-05-03 10:45:18 AM  

jrodr018: Cretony38: jrodr018: Cretony38: Look it up in the dictionary and then say you want more fluoride in your body. And "Remineralization" isn't in the dictionary.

I am just glad that the Dictionary people are not "in" this vast worldwide conspiracy. Thanks for the truth, man. Thanks, valiant savior!

What  conspiracy? I merely asked you protectionists to simply look it up. And I get attacked for asking you to be better informed. But you guys are satisfied with the pat answer "it's been studied for decades" without a one of you citing a single study?!? I guess you all just swallowed it whole.

See? these are the type of answers that gives me the peace of mind that there are soldiers of the truth out there! Do not get me wrong, it is not as if I actually do biomedical research or some nonsense and I would NEVER know how to use PubMed. Perhaps you, soldier of truth, can link to some peer-reviewed studies showing the damaging effects of flouride at the concentrations we currently use. That would bring the truth out in the open!


So put your vitriol & politics aside. The fact remains Fluoride is a toxic compound, an industrial by product that is to toxic to be dumped into a landfill. And was used in pest control. So are these facts incorrect?
 
2013-05-03 10:45:21 AM  

ourbigdumbmouth: It all comes down to if you believe in forced drugging. If you want fluoride in your water, add it your self.


I believe in protecting morons from themselves

Also I believe in protecting people from adding their own fluoride incorrectly and poisoning themselves
 
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