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(BBC)   German TV network drops reruns of popular detective series because its star hid his Waffen SS past. The Germans did not see that coming   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 45
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-03 08:42:50 AM
That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.
 
2013-05-03 09:07:44 AM
static.guim.co.uk

I'm surprised no one recognized him.
 
2013-05-03 09:48:42 AM
Bah, my headline for this exact BBC article:
"Germans will Nazi repeats of a detective show due to the main actor's wartime service "
 
2013-05-03 09:51:29 AM

vpb: That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.


And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.
 
2013-05-03 09:55:00 AM

FunkOut: vpb: That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.

And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.


Waffen SS != regular army
 
2013-05-03 09:56:18 AM
He could still run in Minehead.
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2013-05-03 09:58:09 AM

FunkOut: And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.


No one is alleging that he's a war criminal.  It's just that he hid the fact that he served in an armed political unit (SS were NOT army) that DID commit war crimes.
 
2013-05-03 09:59:51 AM
A lot of people were doing nasty sh*t.  There was a war on.  A world war.  Mostly instigated by some of the most inhumane cocksuckers, ever.  But the war is over now.  Honest.
 
2013-05-03 10:00:41 AM
You know who ELSE use to be a Nazi?
 
2013-05-03 10:00:47 AM
He should have just said he was really an anti-Nazi, worked for the last Pope
 
2013-05-03 10:06:18 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Bah, my headline for this exact BBC article:
"Germans will Nazi repeats of a detective show due to the main actor's wartime service "


Confusing, not that funny.
 
2013-05-03 10:10:53 AM

Satanic_Hamster: FunkOut: And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.

No one is alleging that he's a war criminal.  It's just that he hid the fact that he served in an armed political unit (SS were NOT army) that DID commit war crimes.


Yes, I know what the Waffen was. It was also a bunch of young guys hauling equipment around in the muck and snow whose main political goals were girls and beer and not dying. By end of the war, half of them weren't even Germans. The current Germans are acting all shocked like this guy was BBQing babies and he was just some random teenage schmoe in a tank. Last pope was in Hitler Youth or something. Now he looked like a baby BBQer.

At least he isn't known as Johann the Goatfarker I guess.
 
2013-05-03 10:11:11 AM

DCSteve: Satanic_Hamster: Bah, my headline for this exact BBC article:
"Germans will Nazi repeats of a detective show due to the main actor's wartime service "

Confusing, not that funny.


Depends too heavily on the pronunciation, too.

"Ve vas not NARRCIES.  Ve vas NAZIS!"
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2013-05-03 10:21:15 AM
I remember seeing this show. My ex-inlaws (who lived in France) used to watch it. I recall it as being kind of dull...really slow-paced, kind of reminiscent of "Mitchell" but without the unintended humor.

/so, in other words, this guy was the Joe Don Baker of Germany
 
2013-05-03 10:26:58 AM
A living former member of the Waffen-SS? B...b...but that's impossible! Just listen to what Ronald Reagan said way back in 1985

At a press conference on March 21, 1985, Reagan explained that "since the German people have very few alive that remember even the war, and certainly none of them who were adults and participating in any way ...

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Yes, that's a US president laying a wreath at a Waffen-SS cemetery. On his first trip to Germany. A trip where he did not schedule a visit a concentration camp until Holocaust survivors and plenty of others convinced him he was wrong about a visit to a camp as being unnecessary since everyone who participated was dead.


BAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!

REAGAN.  NATIONAL. AIRPORT.

BAAHAHAAAHHAHHHAHAHAAAAHAHHHAAAAA!
 
2013-05-03 10:27:42 AM
The whole country was SS.  Get over it.
 
2013-05-03 10:37:11 AM

vpb: That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.


Um... actually.....

FunkOut: Satanic_Hamster: FunkOut: And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.

No one is alleging that he's a war criminal.  It's just that he hid the fact that he served in an armed political unit (SS were NOT army) that DID commit war crimes.

Yes, I know what the Waffen was. It was also a bunch of young guys hauling equipment around in the muck and snow whose main political goals were girls and beer and not dying. By end of the war, half of them weren't even Germans. The current Germans are acting all shocked like this guy was BBQing babies and he was just some random teenage schmoe in a tank. Last pope was in Hitler Youth or something. Now he looked like a baby BBQer.

At least he isn't known as Johann the Goatfarker I guess.


If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause.  You weren't some draftee time server.
 
2013-05-03 10:37:30 AM
So will German TV cover up a report about his SS service in lieu of a moving tribute?
 
2013-05-03 10:47:48 AM

FunkOut: vpb: That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.

And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.


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This.  Growing up I had a friend whose father was in the Hitler Youth.  After the war he got sponsored to emigrate to America where he joined the US Air Force.  He would show us pictures of himself in his Hitler Youth uniform from 1945, and pictures of himself in his US Air Force uniform from the 1950s and an he'd chuckle.   He was a pretty harmless  dude.
 
2013-05-03 10:48:24 AM
DjangoStonereaver:

If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause.  You weren't some draftee time server.

Okay, all Germans are bad. I agree.
 
2013-05-03 10:54:03 AM

DjangoStonereaver: If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause. You weren't some draftee time server.


Actually this would suggest otherwise, starting in 1943. And this article doesn't list any service record for this guy before his injury in 43. But also the WP article you link to about his specific division doesn't say whether they took draftees or not. Anyone know specifically whether this guy was drafted into Waffen SS?

The fact that his State is considering stripping his honoraries suggests they know he was serving voluntarily.
 
2013-05-03 10:55:09 AM
C.R. MacNamara: Just between us, Schlemmer, what did you do during the war?

Schlemmer: I was in der Untergrund: the underground.

C.R. MacNamara: Resistance fighter?

Schlemmer: No, motorman. In the underground, you know, the subway.

C.R. MacNamara: Of course you were anti-Nazi and you never liked Adolf.

Schlemmer: Adolf who?

[But later, Schlemmer recognizes the reporter Untermeyer (played by Til Kiwe)]

Schlemmer: Herr Oberleutnant!

C.R. MacNamara: You two know each other?

Schlemmer: He was my commanding officer.

C.R. MacNamara: In the subway?

Schlemmer: No, after that, when I was drafted.

C.R. MacNamara: Aha! Gestapo!

Schlemmer: No, no, SS.
 
2013-05-03 11:00:29 AM
I do not see what you did there, subby.
 
2013-05-03 11:06:57 AM
 
2013-05-03 11:08:43 AM
I guess now he's a blue Waffen


/*ba dum tsssss*
 
2013-05-03 11:18:47 AM

FARK rebel soldier: DjangoStonereaver: If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause. You weren't some draftee time server.

Actually this would suggest otherwise, starting in 1943. And this article doesn't list any service record for this guy before his injury in 43. But also the WP article you link to about his specific division doesn't say whether they took draftees or not. Anyone know specifically whether this guy was drafted into Waffen SS?

The fact that his State is considering stripping his honoraries suggests they know he was serving voluntarily.


AFAIR, no one was drafted into the Waffen SS.  In the earliest days you had to prove your family
were Aryan for X number of generations (3? 4?) and pass all sorts of other tests.  And while in the
later years they did form Waffen SS divisions from the 'conquered provinces', these were still all
volunteers and they still had to swear an oath of personal loyalty to Adolph Hitler, which alone should
be a big no-no under the postwar German constitution.
 
2013-05-03 11:18:54 AM
Uh.oh. Harry, I think it's time to get the car ready.

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2013-05-03 11:20:21 AM

FunkOut: DjangoStonereaver:

If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause.  You weren't some draftee time server.

Okay, all Germans are bad. I agree.

 
2013-05-03 11:31:20 AM

vpb: That's kind of silly.  I mean, there isn't much point in boycotting a show that isn't being produced anymore.

Besides, it's not like he was a concentration camp guard.


Tell that to the Brits. They want to give Jimmy Savile a SECOND knighthood, just so that they can immediately revoke it.
 
2013-05-03 11:33:01 AM

SpdrJay: You know who ELSE use to be a Nazi?


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2013-05-03 11:34:42 AM

Carousel Beast: Waffen SS != regular army


From 1943 you could be conscripted into the Waffen SS.
 
2013-05-03 11:44:18 AM

orbister: Carousel Beast: Waffen SS != regular army

From 1943 you could be conscripted into the Waffen SS.


In the early days, requirements were so strict that having so much as a tooth filling would disqualify you from serving in the SS.

By 1943, they were so desperate that they were even trying to recruit Russian POWs into signing up (bear in mind that in the Nazi POV, Russians were seen only one half step above Jews).
 
2013-05-03 11:50:24 AM
Funkout: DjangoStoneweaver:
If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause.  You weren't some draftee time server. Okay, all Germans are bad, I agree.


Interesting.  He didn't really say that all Germans are bad.  But hey, continue to white knight the SS (Waffen or otherwise).
 
2013-05-03 11:54:02 AM
Let's dig him up and put him on trial.
 
2013-05-03 12:37:17 PM

SirEattonHogg: But hey, continue to white knight the SS (Waffen or otherwise).


It is important to distinguish the organisations from those who served in them, and particularly from those who were forced to serve in them.
 
2013-05-03 12:43:12 PM

TV's Vinnie: orbister: Carousel Beast: Waffen SS != regular army

From 1943 you could be conscripted into the Waffen SS.

In the early days, requirements were so strict that having so much as a tooth filling would disqualify you from serving in the SS.

By 1943, they were so desperate that they were even trying to recruit Russian POWs into signing up (bear in mind that in the Nazi POV, Russians were seen only one half step above Jews).


This. From 1943 on, there were indeed people who were conscripted into the Waffen SS, especially the "auslands Deutscher" ("foreign Germans") who lived in Eastern Europe.

This is a great book, but apparently (and unfortunately) hard to find now. Dusko Popov was a German/British double agent who mentioned that the German high command considered the auslands Deutscher potentially impure (via mixing with local Slavic population) but still "German enough" to serve... in some cases, young teenage boys and old men whose main purpose to merely be cannon fodder thrown against the advancing Russians.

This isn't to say that there weren't those who volunteered, but against my better judgment -- this being Fark -- I feel compelled to mention that painting with too broad a brush usually means you end up getting something wrong.
 
2013-05-03 01:04:57 PM
DjangoStonereaver:  still had to swear an oath of personal loyalty to Adolph Hitler, which alone should
be a big no-no under the postwar German constitution.


The regular army swore to obey Hitler.  I'm pretty sure the change from the old oath to the constitution to direct to Hitler was well before he attacked Poland.  Probably part of the "do crazy stuff and see if anyone reacts" era when they were making their grand plans.

Remember this guy was 19 in 1943 (and fully trained, transported to the front, and wounded), so he was at least 18 before Stalingrad was over.  I'd guess that reason he kept real quiet about his service is that his fellow Germans knew (after checking the history, war propaganda is BS everywhere and was known to effect non-Germans who knew better in nazi Germany) that he was in before things got desperate.  Makes it seem odd for farkers to be white knighting him.
 
2013-05-03 01:58:58 PM
He could always get a job as a doctor
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2013-05-03 02:08:08 PM
Orbister: It is important to distinguish the organisations from those who served in them, and particularly from those who were forced to serve in them.


Sure, but it doesn't sound like he was forced to be in the SS.
 
2013-05-03 03:49:02 PM
The Germans seem to be harder on those who served in units where atrocities were committed, than Americans are on servicemen who were actually convicted of war crimes....

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2013-05-03 04:30:44 PM
George Soros did more for the Nazis than this guy it sounds like.
 
2013-05-03 04:50:27 PM
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Achtung!
 
2013-05-03 06:13:48 PM

SirEattonHogg: Funkout: DjangoStoneweaver:
If you were in the SS, you were committed to the Nazi cause.  You weren't some draftee time server. Okay, all Germans are bad, I agree.


Interesting.  He didn't really say that all Germans are bad.  But hey, continue to white knight the SS (Waffen or otherwise).


Yes, if you check my profile you will see I am really a great candidate for that kind of thing. And I was being sarcastic. Schmuck.

You know why I like Germans? Right now, at this moment, I have a 500 gram brick of kosher steamed rye with muesli by Mestemacher. There are hazelnuts and raisins in this bread. This bread beats the Dutch steamed rye all hollow.
 
2013-05-03 09:08:39 PM

FunkOut: Satanic_Hamster: FunkOut: And teenage tank crewmember in the Waffen who got shot? Doesn't really sound like a war criminal. Sounds like some kid who had the luck to be born in a crappy time period.

No one is alleging that he's a war criminal.  It's just that he hid the fact that he served in an armed political unit (SS were NOT army) that DID commit war crimes.

Yes, I know what the Waffen was. It was also a bunch of young guys hauling equipment around in the muck and snow whose main political goals were girls and beer and not dying. By end of the war, half of them weren't even Germans. The current Germans are acting all shocked like this guy was BBQing babies and he was just some random teenage schmoe in a tank.


It's a good thing that Germany basically has a "zero-tolerance" policy when it comes to fascism. A very good thing.

Because if a country as civilized and cultured as Germany could slowly succumb to the evil that was Nazism, it could happen to *any* country and it could happen to Germany again. They have personal experience of how insidious it is and how hard it is to eradicate once it takes hold (took most of the world to get rid of it). It's best not to give mercy even to the lowliest of tank drivers.

I love Germany and the German people and always have from my earliest memories, and they are right to keep even an inkling of such sympathy out of their society.
 
2013-05-03 10:52:47 PM
I would consider cancelling reruns of the show to be the silver lining here. He managed to make crime shows dull. Inexplicably that show ran for what must have been about 30 years despite being bland, boring and not particularly smart. It was pure conveyor belt writing.
 
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