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2013-05-03 07:36:35 AM
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Confabulat: eraser8: well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

yeah and no one ever tells us, either.


That's not entirely true.   British Airways Flight 9 has been studied extensively by psychologists, because pretty much everyone onboard that flight justifiably thought they were experiencing the last minutes of their lives.  Turns out people are in general suprisingly okay with knowing they're about to die.
2013-05-03 01:03:29 AM
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eraser8: NewportBarGuy: Plenty of time for all of them to have that pit of your stomach "Oh, fark. This is it."

On an intellectual level, we all know we're going to die.  Someday.

But, to know it's going to happen in the next few seconds...well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.


I fell off a 65 foot drop inside a pitch dark cave in the middle of Kentucky when I was 15 years old during a spelunking trip that turned into a 20 second nightmare of injury and pain (I walked into a chute).  The fall lasted maybe two seconds, and the resulting tumble lasted the other 18 seconds.

I can say with all honesty that you aren't processing the thought of dying.  You're barely processing what's actually happening at the time.  They were experiencing (based on the video) sudden changes in G force that would probably leave everyone confused except the pilots.

It would be far worse to be in a plane that ran out of fuel and took two minutes to land.  That gives you time to think about it.
2013-05-02 10:27:57 PM
2 votes:

Confabulat: I just don't understand what happened here.


As I understand it from various Internet Sources™,planes taking off from airfields in hostile areas are required to make a hellishly steep climb to avoid ground-based anti-aircraft fire.  In this case, the load seems to have shifted during that climb, which cause the nose to go way up, and then the plane was too steep to create lift, stalled, and crashed.  If it's true, the Loadmaster won't be sleeping for a long, long time.
2013-05-04 01:02:53 AM
1 votes:
eraser8:
But, to know it's going to happen in the next few seconds...well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

Can't remember what episode it was, but there was a crash of a plane that had a live video feed from the cockpit as they were taking off.  The episode stressed that the passengers could see exactly what the pilots saw as the plane went down.  For some reason I think it may have been AA Flight 191.  With the exception of some international flights they no longer do this.

upload.wikimedia.org

I flew into DFW a week after Delta Flight 191 went down in a wind shear.  They had cleared the plane wreckage... but you could see where it had left a huge burn area.
2013-05-03 04:29:02 PM
1 votes:
The video says "Audio Simulated", I'm not sure we can tell if the engines were on or not? Damn, hope they can figure out what went wrong so it doesn't happen again.

Radak: Confabulat: eraser8: well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

yeah and no one ever tells us, either.

That's not entirely true.   British Airways Flight 9 has been studied extensively by psychologists, because pretty much everyone onboard that flight justifiably thought they were experiencing the last minutes of their lives.  Turns out people are in general suprisingly okay with knowing they're about to die.


Whoa, never heard of this before. Makes me wonder if anyone from Flight 261 had time to contact anyone as that plane crash took a horrifyingly long time.
2013-05-03 12:47:56 PM
1 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: That might not be within the airframe limitations of a 747 though, I don't know


Granted this was an empty 747, no load that I'm aware but still I like the video:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/2843/boeing-747-airplane-doing-a-barr el -roll  (grainy video but still cool)
2013-05-03 12:09:44 PM
1 votes:

Pentaxian: When volcanic ash stopped a Jumbo at 37,000ft


That article fails to mention that the ash had sandblasted the windows on the cockpit to the point of being opaque, and Capt. Moody had to land the plane leaning to the left and looking through a tiny sliver of window at the edge that was still transparent.  That man truly did have giant brass balls.
2013-05-03 10:19:06 AM
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Charlie Freak: Eh, I dunno, the deck angle is assumed and the flight path should and will likely prove to be much more smooth and parabolic looking once they get the FDR data. Gives you an idea, though.

fatbear:Ground clutter only applies to sensors looking down. Any handheld SAM, by definition, is looking up, and there's nothing to see but sky and a big, huge heat source. Best to get that heat as far away from the ground as fast as possible.

Well, the "look down" part is half true. Unless a ground-based antenna is super-elevated, they get all sorts of clutter, too. It also depends on atmospheric conditions, ducting, etc. Being this is in Bagram and there are mountains, I'm sure there is all sorts of ground clutter. But you can gate most of the stuff that isn't moving out, which leaves your fast-moving targets.

Low-level (nap of the earth) flying is designed more to stay in the shadow of the sensor, created by the curvature of the earth. However, it can also be used to mask when you fly behind the inevitable obstructions - trees, buildings, etc., so there's that.


You keep talking about radar. The handheld SAMs there are IR. No ground clutter. End of story.
2013-05-03 09:53:54 AM
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Benevolent Misanthrope: If it's true, the Loadmaster won't be sleeping for a long, long time.


The  loadmaster was among the 7 crewmembers.  He is sleeping for eternity.
2013-05-03 09:40:51 AM
1 votes:

Radak: Confabulat: eraser8: well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

yeah and no one ever tells us, either.

That's not entirely true. British Airways Flight 9 has been studied extensively by psychologists, because pretty much everyone onboard that flight justifiably thought they were experiencing the last minutes of their lives.  Turns out people are in general suprisingly okay with knowing they're about to die.


Pilot of that flight had Big Ben sized-balls:

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

When volcanic ash stopped a Jumbo at 37,000ft
2013-05-03 12:54:06 AM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Plenty of time for all of them to have that pit of your stomach "Oh, fark. This is it."


On an intellectual level, we all know we're going to die.  Someday.

But, to know it's going to happen in the next few seconds...well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.
2013-05-02 10:39:34 PM
1 votes:
Once the load broke free the CG shifted so far aft they didn't have the pitch authority required to bring the nose back down, the only way that nose was going to come down again was through a full stall. I can't think of any way they could have recovered it once the load shifted, there wasn't enough control authority in the elevators or the rudders (roll wings vertical first) to make the nose come back down. The crash could have been a bit different but no matter what they did, the end result would have been the same. This is one of those sad cases where there were just no viable options available to the crew, they were dead as soon as that load managed to break free at the worse possible time.
2013-05-02 10:23:39 PM
1 votes:
I just don't understand what happened here.
 
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