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(LiveLeak)   CGI Crash simulation of the Bagram 747 accident   ( divider line
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5844 clicks; posted to Video » on 03 May 2013 at 3:27 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-05-03 12:50:41 PM  
upon further review, that's the 707 not a 747.
2013-05-03 01:36:14 PM  
This was like my 5th time watching it, and I just now noticed the vehicle with the dash cam starts backing up right before impact.  Guy must have been expecting an explosion about 10x greater.
2013-05-03 03:23:36 PM  
Looks like they got the wings level and the nose down, and were in the process of regaining airspeed when they hit the ground.  You can hear them firewall the engines.

That was the start of a great recovery.  Five thousand feet higher and they might have been able to get the wings flying again, though they would still have to somehow deal with a borked CG.

I really doubt something came loose.  All kinds of hardware is used to prevent just that from happening.  I wonder if the load was simply configured badly.
2013-05-03 04:29:02 PM  
The video says "Audio Simulated", I'm not sure we can tell if the engines were on or not? Damn, hope they can figure out what went wrong so it doesn't happen again.

Radak: Confabulat: eraser8: well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

yeah and no one ever tells us, either.

That's not entirely true.   British Airways Flight 9 has been studied extensively by psychologists, because pretty much everyone onboard that flight justifiably thought they were experiencing the last minutes of their lives.  Turns out people are in general suprisingly okay with knowing they're about to die.

Whoa, never heard of this before. Makes me wonder if anyone from Flight 261 had time to contact anyone as that plane crash took a horrifyingly long time.
2013-05-03 05:31:27 PM  

E-Brake: Flight 261

I remember reading somewhere that the families of the victims upped their pay out by being able to prove in court that after the acme bolt let go that the uncontrolled, violent tumbling of the aircraft amounted to torture. It was 81 seconds of hell.
2013-05-03 06:12:11 PM  
The whole thing must have been absolutely horrifying for everyone involved. Sad beyond words.

/I visit the Everett plant once a year and it's always amazing.

//Seeing 747-8s under construction is the closest I've ever come to feeling like I was watching enormous Star Trek starships being built.
2013-05-03 06:55:12 PM  

vossiewulf: Once the load broke free the CG shifted so far aft they didn't have the pitch authority required to bring the nose back down, the only way that nose was going to come down again was through a full stall. I can't think of any way they could have recovered it once the load shifted, there wasn't enough control authority in the elevators or the rudders (roll wings vertical first) to make the nose come back down. The crash could have been a bit different but no matter what they did, the end result would have been the same. This is one of those sad cases where there were just no viable options available to the crew, they were dead as soon as that load managed to break free at the worse possible time.

Not only would they not have control authority, the plane wouldn't have been capable of making a nose-down attitude.  If the load had shifted to the back, the plane would have suddenly given a nose-up attitude.

And, that nose-up would have stayed with them throughout the crash.

The fact that the pilot was able to wing-over and crash flat says to me that it wasn't a W/B issue.
2013-05-03 08:24:21 PM  

eraser8: NewportBarGuy: Plenty of time for all of them to have that pit of your stomach "Oh, fark. This is it."

On an intellectual level, we all know we're going to die.  Someday.

But, to know it's going to happen in the next few seconds...well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

That one's easy, it doesn't.  99.9% of people will just figure everything will work out until the light go out, while scared shiatless.  It's human nature.
2013-05-03 09:26:45 PM  
2013-05-04 12:37:24 AM  
Hector Remarkable

Or could it be...?

They were brought down by a fifteen second forced preroll ad?
2013-05-04 01:02:53 AM  
But, to know it's going to happen in the next few seconds...well, I just don't know how the brain manages to cope with that kind of knowledge.

Can't remember what episode it was, but there was a crash of a plane that had a live video feed from the cockpit as they were taking off.  The episode stressed that the passengers could see exactly what the pilots saw as the plane went down.  For some reason I think it may have been AA Flight 191.  With the exception of some international flights they no longer do this.

I flew into DFW a week after Delta Flight 191 went down in a wind shear.  They had cleared the plane wreckage... but you could see where it had left a huge burn area.
2013-05-04 05:13:50 AM  
PSA flight 182:

135 souls aboard
0 survivors
2013-05-04 07:36:40 AM  
I have just been informed that one of my students was on that plane.
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