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(Some Guy's Wife)   When did Peanuts turn from a comic strip about cute kids doing cute things to a story about insecurities and pathos? February 1, 1954   (schulzmuseum.org) divider line 136
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2013-05-03 07:02:34 AM

illannoyin: I disagree. Charlie Brown was hated from day one...

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01-05-50

/Never forget


Oh, he's been hated.  He just didn't seem to give a shiat till later.
 
2013-05-03 07:02:35 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


I recently watched the baseball special. Holy crap, talk about a bunch of little shiats! The whole team sucked equally, yet CB was blamed for their failure?
 
2013-05-03 07:12:16 AM

tetsoushima: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.


Came for Weapon Brown, leaving oh so satisfied.
 
2013-05-03 07:13:43 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


If you read Weapon Brown, you'll realize he made her watch while he painted "OUT" in her own blood, and THEN shot her.
 
2013-05-03 07:15:42 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


it's amazing. seriously one of the best black letter books in the last 20 years. if you're at all a fan of comics you need to own all of Weapon B.

heard Yungbluth is a choad but by god the man can write and draw.
 
2013-05-03 07:18:05 AM

namegoeshere: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

I recently watched the baseball special. Holy crap, talk about a bunch of little shiats! The whole team sucked equally, yet CB was blamed for their failure?


aka welcome to real life, my nubian. now you understand.
 
2013-05-03 07:35:32 AM

calbert: if Charlie Brown existed in the real world he would definitely shoot up a school.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-05-03 07:38:24 AM
imageshack.us
July 29, 1956.

/My favourite Peanuts strip.
//Is Charlie looking at us in the last panel?  Is Linus satisfied with his solution?
///Pretty sure a sexual politics/gender issues class could spend a month on this.
 
2013-05-03 07:47:29 AM

bill4935: [imageshack.us image 600x126]
July 29, 1956.

/My favourite Peanuts strip.
//Is Charlie looking at us in the last panel?  Is Linus satisfied with his solution?
///Pretty sure a sexual politics/gender issues class could spend a month on this.


Holy crap, that's awesome!
Somewhere between domestic violence charges and romantic comedies is that gem.
 
2013-05-03 07:51:09 AM

Qel: craigdamage: Linus was Charlie Brown's friend.


Facts before opinions are a good thing.


God I hate SLAYER. "Cum On Feel The Noize" really sucked.

Dumas!  Everybody knows Van Halen did that song!


Pffft...  Poser.  That was just a cover of the original by Anne Frank and the Earharts.
 
2013-05-03 07:54:38 AM
Back when Schults could still draw ok. The later stuff looks like it was drawn by Michael Jay Fox.
 
2013-05-03 08:08:09 AM
Little known fact: the original Snoopy died in 1957 and was subsequently played by female dogs for the next 50 years.
 
2013-05-03 08:09:31 AM
Farked.
 
2013-05-03 08:25:26 AM
Years and years ago I worked a book distributor and we'd occasionally get to buy "damaged" books for a buck. A collection of the first two years of Peanuts strips was one I grabbed. It was awesome. I've always liked Peanuts, but the first decade or so was definitely the best.

/ also got a hardbound collection of "Leviathan", a "compact" OED the size of an Ikea box with print so small it came with a magnifying glass and a good chunk of the Preacher trade editions
// physics books, history books, art books
/// awesome perk, but the job itself sucked donkey nards
 
2013-05-03 08:33:27 AM
This is cool! When I was young, my mom used to take me to rummage sales all the time. I have to admit she got me hooked on one in particular that happened every September in a suburb of Chicago (Wilmette, IL) thrown by the womens club. For a weekend, they would bring in tons of stuff and fill all 2 -3 levels of their club house with donations. One year I found a treasure trove of all of the Peanuts strips in book format. I had been seeing the comic strips, and watching the TV shows for years, but it was in those books that I discovered that Charlie Brown was actually a smart-aleck to begin with, as opposed to Mr. "Woe is Me." I was explaining this same thing to my kids last year. I wish I had kept all of those paperback, but my younger son got a copy of them all in a hard-cover format at one of his school book fairs. Funny how he was drawn to them like I was years ago.
 
2013-05-03 08:36:08 AM
I clicked the link and got:


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And, oddly, the soundtrack of this clip played too.
 
2013-05-03 08:38:35 AM

Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)


I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.
 
2013-05-03 08:40:21 AM
But where's the one where he called the English teacher "Daddy-o?"
 
2013-05-03 08:44:02 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


I was a grade-school friend of the author. Nice to see him get some props!

/Yungbluth, not Schultz
 
2013-05-03 08:44:03 AM

illannoyin: I disagree. Charlie Brown was hated from day one...

[assets.amuniversal.com image 600x114]

01-05-50

/Never forget


THIS. I came here to post exactly this. Bullshiat on the article and headline. From strip number one, Peanuts was about insecurity - in this case, our real standing among our peers (an insecurity for kids and adults both).
 
2013-05-03 08:44:25 AM
This might be my single favorite Peanuts comic.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-03 08:46:38 AM

100 Watt Walrus: While that is all true and important, it doesn't mean Rik01 (or I) have to like Peanuts. What Rik01 said is perfectly true and valid. Schultz was brilliant, and he broke all kinds of ground, but I found Peanuts frustrating, perhaps because I identified too much with Charlie Brown.


I'll bet there are a significant number of Farkers my age and older that identify too much with Charlie Brown.  But I still loved the strip - except for Lucy, about half of her strips made me rage.  I'm convinced she's the reason half of the MRA folks even exist, because their negative concept of women stems from her.

/never had my clothes knocked off by a line drive, but the one time in four years of little league baseball that I got to play infield, I took a line drive to the nuts and was worthless for two days
 
2013-05-03 08:47:01 AM
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White people problems.
 
2013-05-03 08:52:28 AM
1954?
Whippersnappers.
I remember when Blondie was a flapper and Dagwood stood to inherit a fortune.
 
2013-05-03 09:00:14 AM

vudukungfu: 1954?
Whippersnappers.
I remember when Blondie was a flapper and Dagwood stood to inherit a fortune.


Blondie was never more than According To Jim in a different medium. Peanuts always had an existential angst to it.
 
2013-05-03 09:02:47 AM
I love the Peanuts strips and read every one I could get my hands on as a kid. Calvin and Hobbes was my next favorite, but it never had the same flavor that only a good Snoopy cartoon had.
 
2013-05-03 09:15:39 AM
I met Charles Schulz in 1994 at his office/home in Santa Rosa. He was quite approachable. His number was in the phone book! We just called and he invited us over. In real life he was actually quite depressed. He lamented the demise of the quality of cartoons and strips. He brought out his Terry and the Pirates book in his huge library and lamented that strips just don't have that quality any more.
I mentioned how many cartoonists imitate his simple lines and how revolutionary his art style was. I said "you made it look so easy!"

Another quirky fact about "sparky" was that he was more than likely autistic. He was brilliant intellectually but socially awkward and shy. I can relate having an autistic cousin who is a PHd in electronic engineering but steps back when people approach him. Exact same brilliance but very very exacting.

PS he never wanted ANY reboots of the strip. He never allowed any assistants to touch it and he wanted the strip to die with him.
 
2013-05-03 09:30:07 AM
Could someone post the strip mentioned in the headline? The link is farked for me.
 
2013-05-03 09:38:06 AM
I think this is it?
http://peanutsroasted.blogspot.com/2011/05/february-1-1954-status-in- c harlie.html">http://peanutsroasted.blogspot.com/2011/05/february-1-19 54-status-in-c harlie.html
 
2013-05-03 09:39:23 AM

BreezyWheeze: Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.


Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.
 
2013-05-03 09:40:03 AM
I read a lot of Peanuts when I was a kid. I don't think I identified with Charlie Brown so much as just liked reading about him and his friends. And there were some good laugh-out-loud moments, not every strip, but pretty frequently. Some of the snark went out of the strip when he divorced his first wife, she was the irritant that lead to the pearl. Later Peanuts was decent, but maybe not brilliant.
 
2013-05-03 09:41:28 AM
www.whatisdeepfried.com

the new story arc is bananas. Love it.
 
2013-05-03 09:42:29 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.


The accusation of condescension came from the OP assuming we hadn't heard of Pogo.

Also, you forgot Krazy Kat in your list (look it up).
 
2013-05-03 09:56:05 AM

Rik01: The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'.


You may want to stay away from Game of Thrones too
 
2013-05-03 09:57:45 AM
images.elephantjournal.com
 
2013-05-03 10:00:23 AM
www.theworkshopfc.net

I enjoyed Charlie better after he returned from Japan
 
2013-05-03 10:10:47 AM

thamike: BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.

Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.


And could passive aggressive behavior not also be defined as the acknowledgement and internal processing of social interaction as a child evolves from a pure id driven 'me' narrative to a super ego driven acceptance that selfishly lashing out or acting on base instincts to obtain revenge or achieve superior status isn't going to provide an enlightened mind the satisfaction it wants on an instinctual level?

I still wonder what Lucy was attempting to compensate for by her brash behavior. She was a real coont biatch.
 
2013-05-03 10:14:47 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.
 
2013-05-03 10:15:40 AM
It has that great theme song, but other than that I don't see what anyone between the ages of 10 and 65 enjoys about Peanuts.
 
2013-05-03 10:23:55 AM

ristst: I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.


Your daughter is a developing product of the Nanny State, where everyone must be nice to each other, bullying is unthinkable and worse than murder, and students are being prepared for a world of butterflies, baby bunnies and unicorns riding rainbows.

The attitudes displayed in Peanuts closely resembled what I and most other people born before 1970 experienced in school, except that the students in our schools weren't quite as erudite.

Slap her around a little bit, move to England and enroll her in a Public School.  Or enlist her in Marine Boot Camp.  She'll straighten up in no time.
 
2013-05-03 10:48:43 AM
Somewhere around here I've got a book titled The Gospel According to Peanuts. I read the strip for years without realizing there was a good degree of Biblical references.
 
2013-05-03 10:48:43 AM
That must be when the pills started working...
 
2013-05-03 11:01:46 AM

Sid_6.7: Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.

Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.


PBF is the closest thing I've find to a replacement for The Far Side, which is far and away the greatest strip of all time, alternating years with Calvin and Hobbes.
 
2013-05-03 11:02:46 AM

MBooda: ristst: I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Your daughter is a developing product of the Nanny State, where everyone must be nice to each other, bullying is unthinkable and worse than murder, and students are being prepared for a world of butterflies, baby bunnies and unicorns riding rainbows.

The attitudes displayed in Peanuts closely resembled what I and most other people born before 1970 experienced in school, except that the students in our schools weren't quite as erudite.

Slap her around a little bit, move to England and enroll her in a Public School.  Or enlist her in Marine Boot Camp.  She'll straighten up in no time.


Did you inhale a lot of asbestos during those years?  I was born in 1960, so I'm well acquainted with the aforementioned behaviors.

I've taught my daughter to pay no attention to people such as yourself.  She lives by the Golden Rule.  And she understands that the world is often neither fair nor is it nice.  What's important is how she lives her life and how she treats others.....the way she would like to be treated herself.

She'd even treat a douche such as you with respect.
 
2013-05-03 11:05:13 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: BreezyWheeze: Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.

Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.


If puns are the highest form of comedy, then Pogo is the greatest strip. For its time Pogo was unchallenged, but we've since realized that puns suck as humor, so Pogo is severely dated (for its comedy, not its commentary).
 
2013-05-03 11:23:06 AM
Some people can't help but associate themselves too much with Charlie Brown and feel his frustration and project those feelings onto the strip and become non-fans.  All just because their heads are broke.  It's a shame.
 
2013-05-03 11:30:38 AM

TelemonianAjax: Sid_6.7: Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.

Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.

PBF is the closest thing I've find to a replacement for The Far Side, which is far and away the greatest strip of all time, alternating years with Calvin and Hobbes.


early years of Bloom County were great.   if anyone has every worked retail there is a strip called "retail" that is excellent.
 
2013-05-03 11:34:03 AM
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2013-05-03 11:48:54 AM

Darth_Lukecash: I think people can relate to failure and feeling like the world is overwhelming. And yet despite his failings, Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick that football...


oi40.tinypic.com
(Oct 11, 1970)
 
2013-05-03 12:09:04 PM
I used to have a huge trove of the Peanuts paperbacks you could order through Scholastic in elementary school. I read them over and over and did identify with Charlie Brown quite a bit because I was rather lonely as a child.

The one bad memory I have is when my mom took me to see "Snoopy Come Home" in the theater when it first came out. To this day I wonder if that was Schulz somehow purposely trying to mess with kids heads. It was almost as if they sat down and said "how do we get the little buggers ripped up emotionally?"

Mom and I ended up leaving before the movie was done because I was so upset and in near hysterics. To this day I cannot watch that stupid movie.
 
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