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(Some Guy's Wife)   When did Peanuts turn from a comic strip about cute kids doing cute things to a story about insecurities and pathos? February 1, 1954   (schulzmuseum.org) divider line 136
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2013-05-02 08:25:29 PM
I liked that.
 
2013-05-02 09:08:22 PM
Yeah, the problem came sometime in the late 70s when it turned back.

Those gloomy little kids with their existential angst and their casual cruelty to one another were awesome.
 
2013-05-02 09:51:27 PM
Wow, the Jan 19 1954 strip has to be the first time that Peanuts made me laugh out loud
 
2013-05-02 11:53:52 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Wow, the Jan 19 1954 strip has to be the first time that Peanuts made me laugh out loud


You sound old.
 
2013-05-03 12:05:12 AM
if Charlie Brown existed in the real world he would definitely shoot up a school.
 
2013-05-03 12:29:41 AM

calbert: if Charlie Brown existed in the real world he would definitely shoot up a school.


In the past, he just drew a mediocre comic strip.
 
2013-05-03 12:32:08 AM
Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.
 
2013-05-03 12:53:46 AM
Don't forget the lesbian sex.
 
2013-05-03 01:10:18 AM

Ghastly: Don't forget the lesbian sex.


Snoopy and Woodstock are boys.
 
2013-05-03 01:12:23 AM

Rik01: I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip


Me neither, or the shows (even "Great Pumpkin). It's a bunch of kids acting too old and wise for their age, and I don't like that crap when it comes from an age-appropriate source.

Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.
 
2013-05-03 01:19:21 AM

doglover: Ghastly: Don't forget the lesbian sex.

Snoopy and Woodstock are boys.


straightlesbian.com

.


Honestly, I think it's reading too much into the characters.
 
2013-05-03 01:22:19 AM

Ghastly: Don't forget the lesbian sex.



i162.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-03 01:25:37 AM

Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.


Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.


Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.
 
2013-05-03 01:29:09 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: Wow, the Jan 19 1954 strip has to be the first time that Peanuts made me laugh out loud


Okay, I'm confused. I don't see anything about a "Jan 19 1954" strip.

CSB

My mother taught me to read at a young age, three to four. My father had a decent sized collection of paperback sized book collections of comic strips. There were many different strips, The Wizard of ID, B.C., Hagar the Horrible, and Peanuts just to name a few. I read every single one of those books that he had, often more than once. I credit them with starting me on my way to having a passion for reading.
 
2013-05-03 01:45:54 AM
Many of the 50s Peanuts strips are pretty funny:

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2013-05-03 02:22:48 AM

Sid_6.7: Perry Bible Fellowship


best comic EVAR!
 
2013-05-03 04:03:19 AM

Rik01: Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)


A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs.  That's why they sympathize with Charlie.
 
2013-05-03 05:10:48 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.




You have to understand one thing: without Schultz Peanuts, there would be no Calvin and Hobbes. Before him, comics were filled with vaudeville humor, adventure strips or soap opera comics. He made the comics about the characters, and he drew the pain from his own life. You would have no Calvin, unless Snoopy came before him.

And he was highly experimental in his form- he was trying to simplify the strip, until he old tell a rich full story in one panel.
 
2013-05-03 05:12:07 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Rik01: Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs.  That's why they sympathize with Charlie.


Wasn't Linus Charlie Brown's closest friend?
 
2013-05-03 05:14:06 AM

Ghastly: Wasn't Linus Charlie Brown's closest friend?


Yes
 
2013-05-03 05:31:27 AM

Rik01: His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.


I'd like to see how brave you would get if you were the only gay kid at hydrocephalus camp, and you were being stalked by a manic depressive b*tch with a libido complex?
 
2013-05-03 05:32:53 AM
Linus was Charlie Brown's friend.


Facts before opinions are a good thing.


God I hate SLAYER. "Cum On Feel The Noize" really sucked.
 
2013-05-03 05:37:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.


Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.
 
2013-05-03 05:38:19 AM

log_jammin: Ghastly: Wasn't Linus Charlie Brown's closest friend?

Yes




Actually, Schroeder is his oldest friend. Linus would be his best friend. In Trek terms, Charlie would be Kirk, Linus would be Spock. And Schroeder would be McCoy.

What people don't remember is that Shermy, Patty, Violet, and Snoopy where the original cast of first/second graders. None of them liked Charlie. Snoopy wasn't even specifically Charlie Browns dog. Schroeder was introduced as a toddler who was gifted at playing a toy piano. Lucy was introduced as a kindergardener. In a few months she was Charlie Brows age and Linus was introduced as a baby.Soon enough, Linus was a year younger.

Eventually Schroeder became a love interest for Lucy. In the strangest twist, both Marcie and Peppermint Patty started competing over Charlie Brown. Who was oblivious to the whole thing.
 
2013-05-03 05:38:22 AM

craigdamage: Linus was Charlie Brown's friend.


Facts before opinions are a good thing.


God I hate SLAYER. "Cum On Feel The Noize" really sucked.


Ha!
 
Qel
2013-05-03 05:40:33 AM

craigdamage: Linus was Charlie Brown's friend.


Facts before opinions are a good thing.


God I hate SLAYER. "Cum On Feel The Noize" really sucked.


Dumas!  Everybody knows Van Halen did that song!
 
2013-05-03 05:40:35 AM

Darth_Lukecash: In Trek terms, Charlie would be Kirk, Linus would be Spock. And Schroeder would be McCoy.


every time I start to get cranky or annoyed with this place, someone posts something that reminds me why I'm still here.
 
2013-05-03 05:46:35 AM

Rik01: I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


Helga: I'm tired of you going away from months on your business trips.  Why can you work closer to home.
Hagar: ... ... ... They'd throw me in jail if I worked closer to home.
 
2013-05-03 05:47:52 AM

thamike: BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.

Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.


l

Peppermint Patty was based on his second Wife-who was a big tomboy when she was a girl. She had things that made her feel like an outcast as well.

And I don't think Charlie Brown as a Nobel Martyr. I think people can relate to failure and feeling like the world is overwhelming. And yet despite his failings, Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick that football...
 
2013-05-03 05:47:57 AM
Yeah, my memory is clouded. Schroeder was Brown's "2nd best friend after Linus" according to wiki.

I honestly can't remember that many panels with the two of them together.

sorry.
 
2013-05-03 05:49:16 AM
Good grief, what an asshole.
 
2013-05-03 05:49:50 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

You have to understand one thing: without Schultz Peanuts, there would be no Calvin and Hobbes. Before him, comics were filled with vaudeville humor, adventure strips or soap opera comics. He made the comics about the characters, and he drew the pain from his own life. You would have no Calvin, unless Snoopy came before him.

And he was highly experimental in his form- he was trying to simplify the strip, until he old tell a rich full story in one panel.


While that is all true and important, it doesn't mean Rik01 (or I) have to like Peanuts. What Rik01 said is perfectly true and valid. Schultz was brilliant, and he broke all kinds of ground, but I found Peanuts frustrating, perhaps because I identified too much with Charlie Brown.

For the reocrd, the fist couple years of Peanuts - before it became completely misery-centric - I enjoy enough to own the compilations.
 
2013-05-03 05:50:23 AM

log_jammin: Darth_Lukecash: In Trek terms, Charlie would be Kirk, Linus would be Spock. And Schroeder would be McCoy.

every time I start to get cranky or annoyed with this place, someone posts something that reminds me why I'm still here.




It helps if you stay out of the political tabs....
 
2013-05-03 05:52:04 AM

Sid_6.7: Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.

Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.


An xkcd strip that's too preachy? Too easy: http://xkcd.com/603/
 
2013-05-03 05:52:29 AM
HAHAHA WOW

I fell asleep in my chair for a moment.

I had a dream that there was a benevolent Farker in here paying off everyone's soul crushing, wrist tying down debt.
 
2013-05-03 05:53:45 AM
I disagree with the author of TFA though - I think the quoted strip from a few days prior (where Charlie is laughing at the end) is in a way equally filled with youthful despair.
 
2013-05-03 05:54:38 AM

craigdamage: Yeah, my memory is clouded. Schroeder was Brown's "2nd best friend after Linus" according to wiki.

I honestly can't remember that many panels with the two of them together.

sorry.




Schroeder was In the early days, especially with the baseball. He was the catcher to Charlie's pitcher.
 
2013-05-03 05:54:53 AM

libranoelrose: HAHAHA WOW

I fell asleep in my chair for a moment.

I had a dream that there was a benevolent Farker in here paying off everyone's soul crushing, wrist tying down debt.


Dude...

Don't pop my bubble.
 
2013-05-03 05:58:53 AM

Darth_Lukecash: It helps if you stay out of the political tabs....


Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
 
2013-05-03 06:08:25 AM

Darth_Lukecash: thamike: BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.

Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.

l

Peppermint Patty was based on his second Wife-who was a big tomboy when she was a girl. She had things that made her feel like an outcast as well.

And I don't think Charlie Brown as a Nobel Martyr. I think people can relate to failure and feeling like the world is overwhelming. And yet despite his failings, Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick that football...


That explains the size of his head. Not enough dynamite.
 
2013-05-03 06:11:15 AM
I did't realize Schultz wrote about internal server errors in 1954. He was really ahead of his time.
 
2013-05-03 06:13:18 AM

doglover: libranoelrose: HAHAHA WOW

I fell asleep in my chair for a moment.

I had a dream that there was a benevolent Farker in here paying off everyone's soul crushing, wrist tying down debt.

Dude...

Don't pop my bubble.


Sorry, dude.

I feel much better now.

I'm able to realize how crushing the debt is now.
 
2013-05-03 06:28:08 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


66.147.242.195

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.
 
2013-05-03 06:35:30 AM

calbert: if Charlie Brown existed in the real world he would definitely ...


cdn2-b.examiner.com

...plead guilty to stalking.
 
2013-05-03 06:41:57 AM
Fix the link.
 
2013-05-03 06:44:06 AM
tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.


Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)
 
2013-05-03 06:51:08 AM
Snoopy looks like he was a better character back in the 50s.
 
2013-05-03 06:51:57 AM
Charlie Brown without Snoopy. The original John Arbuckle without Garfield.
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-05-03 06:58:37 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: An xkcd strip that's too preachy? Too easy: http://xkcd.com/603/


xkcd does have some funny strips, but quite a sizeable amount of them feel like comic strips for pedants; it's what i imagine Grammar Nazis humor themselves with.
 
2013-05-03 06:59:51 AM
I disagree. Charlie Brown was hated from day one...

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01-05-50

/Never forget
 
2013-05-03 07:02:34 AM

illannoyin: I disagree. Charlie Brown was hated from day one...

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01-05-50

/Never forget


Oh, he's been hated.  He just didn't seem to give a shiat till later.
 
2013-05-03 07:02:35 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


I recently watched the baseball special. Holy crap, talk about a bunch of little shiats! The whole team sucked equally, yet CB was blamed for their failure?
 
2013-05-03 07:12:16 AM

tetsoushima: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.


Came for Weapon Brown, leaving oh so satisfied.
 
2013-05-03 07:13:43 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


If you read Weapon Brown, you'll realize he made her watch while he painted "OUT" in her own blood, and THEN shot her.
 
2013-05-03 07:15:42 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


it's amazing. seriously one of the best black letter books in the last 20 years. if you're at all a fan of comics you need to own all of Weapon B.

heard Yungbluth is a choad but by god the man can write and draw.
 
2013-05-03 07:18:05 AM

namegoeshere: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

I recently watched the baseball special. Holy crap, talk about a bunch of little shiats! The whole team sucked equally, yet CB was blamed for their failure?


aka welcome to real life, my nubian. now you understand.
 
2013-05-03 07:35:32 AM

calbert: if Charlie Brown existed in the real world he would definitely shoot up a school.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-05-03 07:38:24 AM
imageshack.us
July 29, 1956.

/My favourite Peanuts strip.
//Is Charlie looking at us in the last panel?  Is Linus satisfied with his solution?
///Pretty sure a sexual politics/gender issues class could spend a month on this.
 
2013-05-03 07:47:29 AM

bill4935: [imageshack.us image 600x126]
July 29, 1956.

/My favourite Peanuts strip.
//Is Charlie looking at us in the last panel?  Is Linus satisfied with his solution?
///Pretty sure a sexual politics/gender issues class could spend a month on this.


Holy crap, that's awesome!
Somewhere between domestic violence charges and romantic comedies is that gem.
 
2013-05-03 07:51:09 AM

Qel: craigdamage: Linus was Charlie Brown's friend.


Facts before opinions are a good thing.


God I hate SLAYER. "Cum On Feel The Noize" really sucked.

Dumas!  Everybody knows Van Halen did that song!


Pffft...  Poser.  That was just a cover of the original by Anne Frank and the Earharts.
 
2013-05-03 07:54:38 AM
Back when Schults could still draw ok. The later stuff looks like it was drawn by Michael Jay Fox.
 
2013-05-03 08:08:09 AM
Little known fact: the original Snoopy died in 1957 and was subsequently played by female dogs for the next 50 years.
 
2013-05-03 08:09:31 AM
Farked.
 
2013-05-03 08:25:26 AM
Years and years ago I worked a book distributor and we'd occasionally get to buy "damaged" books for a buck. A collection of the first two years of Peanuts strips was one I grabbed. It was awesome. I've always liked Peanuts, but the first decade or so was definitely the best.

/ also got a hardbound collection of "Leviathan", a "compact" OED the size of an Ikea box with print so small it came with a magnifying glass and a good chunk of the Preacher trade editions
// physics books, history books, art books
/// awesome perk, but the job itself sucked donkey nards
 
2013-05-03 08:33:27 AM
This is cool! When I was young, my mom used to take me to rummage sales all the time. I have to admit she got me hooked on one in particular that happened every September in a suburb of Chicago (Wilmette, IL) thrown by the womens club. For a weekend, they would bring in tons of stuff and fill all 2 -3 levels of their club house with donations. One year I found a treasure trove of all of the Peanuts strips in book format. I had been seeing the comic strips, and watching the TV shows for years, but it was in those books that I discovered that Charlie Brown was actually a smart-aleck to begin with, as opposed to Mr. "Woe is Me." I was explaining this same thing to my kids last year. I wish I had kept all of those paperback, but my younger son got a copy of them all in a hard-cover format at one of his school book fairs. Funny how he was drawn to them like I was years ago.
 
2013-05-03 08:36:08 AM
I clicked the link and got:


Service UnavailableUser has reached the maximum amount of processes while being limited, Webmaster: please contact support. (9)

And, oddly, the soundtrack of this clip played too.
 
2013-05-03 08:38:35 AM

Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)


I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.
 
2013-05-03 08:40:21 AM
But where's the one where he called the English teacher "Daddy-o?"
 
2013-05-03 08:44:02 AM

gulogulo: tetsoushima:

[66.147.242.195 image 229x238]

Weapon Brown: The best gritty reboot I have ever read.

Wait a minute. Did he shoot her, go around get blood, paint the "OUT" and then get back out front for a pose? It makes no sense!

(I smirked.)


I was a grade-school friend of the author. Nice to see him get some props!

/Yungbluth, not Schultz
 
2013-05-03 08:44:03 AM

illannoyin: I disagree. Charlie Brown was hated from day one...

[assets.amuniversal.com image 600x114]

01-05-50

/Never forget


THIS. I came here to post exactly this. Bullshiat on the article and headline. From strip number one, Peanuts was about insecurity - in this case, our real standing among our peers (an insecurity for kids and adults both).
 
2013-05-03 08:44:25 AM
This might be my single favorite Peanuts comic.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-03 08:46:38 AM

100 Watt Walrus: While that is all true and important, it doesn't mean Rik01 (or I) have to like Peanuts. What Rik01 said is perfectly true and valid. Schultz was brilliant, and he broke all kinds of ground, but I found Peanuts frustrating, perhaps because I identified too much with Charlie Brown.


I'll bet there are a significant number of Farkers my age and older that identify too much with Charlie Brown.  But I still loved the strip - except for Lucy, about half of her strips made me rage.  I'm convinced she's the reason half of the MRA folks even exist, because their negative concept of women stems from her.

/never had my clothes knocked off by a line drive, but the one time in four years of little league baseball that I got to play infield, I took a line drive to the nuts and was worthless for two days
 
2013-05-03 08:47:01 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
White people problems.
 
2013-05-03 08:52:28 AM
1954?
Whippersnappers.
I remember when Blondie was a flapper and Dagwood stood to inherit a fortune.
 
2013-05-03 09:00:14 AM

vudukungfu: 1954?
Whippersnappers.
I remember when Blondie was a flapper and Dagwood stood to inherit a fortune.


Blondie was never more than According To Jim in a different medium. Peanuts always had an existential angst to it.
 
2013-05-03 09:02:47 AM
I love the Peanuts strips and read every one I could get my hands on as a kid. Calvin and Hobbes was my next favorite, but it never had the same flavor that only a good Snoopy cartoon had.
 
2013-05-03 09:15:39 AM
I met Charles Schulz in 1994 at his office/home in Santa Rosa. He was quite approachable. His number was in the phone book! We just called and he invited us over. In real life he was actually quite depressed. He lamented the demise of the quality of cartoons and strips. He brought out his Terry and the Pirates book in his huge library and lamented that strips just don't have that quality any more.
I mentioned how many cartoonists imitate his simple lines and how revolutionary his art style was. I said "you made it look so easy!"

Another quirky fact about "sparky" was that he was more than likely autistic. He was brilliant intellectually but socially awkward and shy. I can relate having an autistic cousin who is a PHd in electronic engineering but steps back when people approach him. Exact same brilliance but very very exacting.

PS he never wanted ANY reboots of the strip. He never allowed any assistants to touch it and he wanted the strip to die with him.
 
2013-05-03 09:30:07 AM
Could someone post the strip mentioned in the headline? The link is farked for me.
 
2013-05-03 09:38:06 AM
I think this is it?
http://peanutsroasted.blogspot.com/2011/05/february-1-1954-status-in- c harlie.html">http://peanutsroasted.blogspot.com/2011/05/february-1-19 54-status-in-c harlie.html
 
2013-05-03 09:39:23 AM

BreezyWheeze: Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.


Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.
 
2013-05-03 09:40:03 AM
I read a lot of Peanuts when I was a kid. I don't think I identified with Charlie Brown so much as just liked reading about him and his friends. And there were some good laugh-out-loud moments, not every strip, but pretty frequently. Some of the snark went out of the strip when he divorced his first wife, she was the irritant that lead to the pearl. Later Peanuts was decent, but maybe not brilliant.
 
2013-05-03 09:41:28 AM
www.whatisdeepfried.com

the new story arc is bananas. Love it.
 
2013-05-03 09:42:29 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.


The accusation of condescension came from the OP assuming we hadn't heard of Pogo.

Also, you forgot Krazy Kat in your list (look it up).
 
2013-05-03 09:56:05 AM

Rik01: The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'.


You may want to stay away from Game of Thrones too
 
2013-05-03 09:57:45 AM
images.elephantjournal.com
 
2013-05-03 10:00:23 AM
www.theworkshopfc.net

I enjoyed Charlie better after he returned from Japan
 
2013-05-03 10:10:47 AM

thamike: BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.

Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.


And could passive aggressive behavior not also be defined as the acknowledgement and internal processing of social interaction as a child evolves from a pure id driven 'me' narrative to a super ego driven acceptance that selfishly lashing out or acting on base instincts to obtain revenge or achieve superior status isn't going to provide an enlightened mind the satisfaction it wants on an instinctual level?

I still wonder what Lucy was attempting to compensate for by her brash behavior. She was a real coont biatch.
 
2013-05-03 10:14:47 AM

Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.


I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.
 
2013-05-03 10:15:40 AM
It has that great theme song, but other than that I don't see what anyone between the ages of 10 and 65 enjoys about Peanuts.
 
2013-05-03 10:23:55 AM

ristst: I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.


Your daughter is a developing product of the Nanny State, where everyone must be nice to each other, bullying is unthinkable and worse than murder, and students are being prepared for a world of butterflies, baby bunnies and unicorns riding rainbows.

The attitudes displayed in Peanuts closely resembled what I and most other people born before 1970 experienced in school, except that the students in our schools weren't quite as erudite.

Slap her around a little bit, move to England and enroll her in a Public School.  Or enlist her in Marine Boot Camp.  She'll straighten up in no time.
 
2013-05-03 10:48:43 AM
Somewhere around here I've got a book titled The Gospel According to Peanuts. I read the strip for years without realizing there was a good degree of Biblical references.
 
2013-05-03 10:48:43 AM
That must be when the pills started working...
 
2013-05-03 11:01:46 AM

Sid_6.7: Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.

Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.


PBF is the closest thing I've find to a replacement for The Far Side, which is far and away the greatest strip of all time, alternating years with Calvin and Hobbes.
 
2013-05-03 11:02:46 AM

MBooda: ristst: I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Your daughter is a developing product of the Nanny State, where everyone must be nice to each other, bullying is unthinkable and worse than murder, and students are being prepared for a world of butterflies, baby bunnies and unicorns riding rainbows.

The attitudes displayed in Peanuts closely resembled what I and most other people born before 1970 experienced in school, except that the students in our schools weren't quite as erudite.

Slap her around a little bit, move to England and enroll her in a Public School.  Or enlist her in Marine Boot Camp.  She'll straighten up in no time.


Did you inhale a lot of asbestos during those years?  I was born in 1960, so I'm well acquainted with the aforementioned behaviors.

I've taught my daughter to pay no attention to people such as yourself.  She lives by the Golden Rule.  And she understands that the world is often neither fair nor is it nice.  What's important is how she lives her life and how she treats others.....the way she would like to be treated herself.

She'd even treat a douche such as you with respect.
 
2013-05-03 11:05:13 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: BreezyWheeze: Rik01: I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

I think that's the most casually condescending comment I've ever read on Fark, and I've written a lot of condescending shiat over the years.

Mmmmm, no. Pogo was better than nearly any comic strip out there. Little Nemo, Far Side, and Calvin and Hobs are the only ones that could compete.


If puns are the highest form of comedy, then Pogo is the greatest strip. For its time Pogo was unchallenged, but we've since realized that puns suck as humor, so Pogo is severely dated (for its comedy, not its commentary).
 
2013-05-03 11:23:06 AM
Some people can't help but associate themselves too much with Charlie Brown and feel his frustration and project those feelings onto the strip and become non-fans.  All just because their heads are broke.  It's a shame.
 
2013-05-03 11:30:38 AM

TelemonianAjax: Sid_6.7: Rik01: Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Note:

Just like Jesus in his lifetime. NTTAWWT.

Gig103: Even some XKCD strips get too preachy for me; I stick to SMBC and Dilbert for the comfort of a quick laugh.

Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.

PBF is the closest thing I've find to a replacement for The Far Side, which is far and away the greatest strip of all time, alternating years with Calvin and Hobbes.


early years of Bloom County were great.   if anyone has every worked retail there is a strip called "retail" that is excellent.
 
2013-05-03 11:34:03 AM
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2013-05-03 11:48:54 AM

Darth_Lukecash: I think people can relate to failure and feeling like the world is overwhelming. And yet despite his failings, Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick that football...


oi40.tinypic.com
(Oct 11, 1970)
 
2013-05-03 12:09:04 PM
I used to have a huge trove of the Peanuts paperbacks you could order through Scholastic in elementary school. I read them over and over and did identify with Charlie Brown quite a bit because I was rather lonely as a child.

The one bad memory I have is when my mom took me to see "Snoopy Come Home" in the theater when it first came out. To this day I wonder if that was Schulz somehow purposely trying to mess with kids heads. It was almost as if they sat down and said "how do we get the little buggers ripped up emotionally?"

Mom and I ended up leaving before the movie was done because I was so upset and in near hysterics. To this day I cannot watch that stupid movie.
 
2013-05-03 12:20:25 PM
Peanuts was okay, but it's no
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-03 12:38:38 PM

Darth_Lukecash: craigdamage: Yeah, my memory is clouded. Schroeder was Brown's "2nd best friend after Linus" according to wiki.

I honestly can't remember that many panels with the two of them together.

sorry.

Schroeder was In the early days, especially with the baseball. He was the catcher to Charlie's pitcher.


!!!
 
2013-05-03 12:47:44 PM
I'm afraid I don't remember much of this csb, but I was kind of obsessed with Peanuts, among other things (mid 70s).  As a maybe 1st-2nd grader, I wrote Charles Schulz a long and involved letter, full of questions, suggestions?  All I remember is that I cut up Peanuts books to include cartoon examples of what I was talking about.  Anyway, her wrote me a long and respectful letter back; I wish I could remember more about this, and I definitely wish I still had the letter.  Basically, my dad remembers all this better than me....  I do appreciate it, though....
 
2013-05-03 12:48:57 PM
ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Well...yeah. The whole point of Peanuts, it has always seemed to me, is to present kid life (and, through that, adult life) as it is really experienced by many. This cartoon is by the losers for the losers, but in a positive way: it's central message is if you look like one of these kids, stop it. Each of them has positive aspects, and those positive aspects are not denigrated, but each character is terribly flawed in his or her own way. Charlie Brown is certainly a decent fellow, but the girls disdain him and he is roundly abused on all side --- and both of these things are rooted in the same character flaw. He takes these repeated punishments and keeps on doing the same things in response; it's not his niceness that's the problem, it's the fact that he's a schlub and invites further abuse by sponging it up (bullies are often drawn to those they can either drive to lash out in response (rather than fighting back) or who are content to be punching bags). Linus tends toward wisdom, but he's not of this world, and misses out on what's around him (Sally, etc.). Lucy would be a great friend to have (she *will* back you up), if she could get over her extreme defensiveness (which leads to bullying) and anger issues. Schroeder has great skills and a strong work ethic, but he is fixated on one person, and one instrument, and one activity, and that is what simultaneously draws Lucy to him and keeps him from participating. Etc., etc. These kids are all messes, and they look like real kids, exaggerated a wee bit. Are they mean? Yes. Are they awful? Yes. But they are useful for instruction, both in what to expect in the world and as a picture of how not to live in a way that is good for others, and which climbs out of the narcissistic, closed worlds these kids live in (and thus encourages kids to grow into strong people who neither rely on others for approval nor need to drag others down for a moment's respite from the awfulness of their own lives).
 
2013-05-03 01:18:11 PM
www.mdusd.k12.ca.us

Emo before it was cool.
 
2013-05-03 01:20:22 PM
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-03 01:58:40 PM

derpy: Peanuts was okay, but it's no


I like the cut of your jib.  I've got a few of the compilation books.
 
2013-05-03 02:13:08 PM
I absolutely love going to the Schulz Museum. They have great exhibits, cool guests, and so many different activities. I've met cartoonists, actors, and astronauts there. I've spent countless hours looking at original Peanuts art. I've been exposed to comic strips that premiered and ended decades before my birth. A truly wonderful place dedicated to a man whose life was in the comics, as well as the things that made him who he was.
 
2013-05-03 02:27:29 PM

feanorn: ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Well...yeah. The whole point of Peanuts, it has always seemed to me, is to present kid life (and, through that, adult life) as it is really experienced by many. This cartoon is by the losers for the losers, but in a positive way: it's central message is if you look like one of these kids, stop it. Each of them has positive aspects, and those positive aspects are not denigrated, but each character is terribly flawed in his or her own way. Charlie Brown is certainly a decent fellow, but the girls disdain him and he is roundly abused on all side --- and both of these things are rooted in the same character flaw. He takes these repeated punishments and keeps on doing the same things in response; it's not his niceness that's the problem, it's the fact that he's a schlub and invites further abuse by sponging it up (bullies are often drawn to those they can either drive to lash out in response (rather than fighting back) or who are content to be punching bags). Linus tends toward wisdom, but he's not of this world, and misses out on what's around him (Sally, etc.). Lucy would be a great friend to have (she *will* back you up), if she could get over her extreme defensiveness (which leads to bullying) and anger issues. Schroeder has great skills and a strong work ethic, but he is fixated on one person, and one instrument, and one activity, and that is what simultaneously draws Lucy to him and keeps him from participating. Etc., etc. These kids are all messes, and they look like real kids, exaggerated a wee bit. Are they mean? Yes. Are they awful? Yes. But they are useful for instruction, both in what to expect in the world and as a picture of how not to live in a way that is good for ...


You make a good argument, and for the most part it appears to be a sound point.  And I won't say she immediately hated it, she's watched a good deal of stuff with behavior that could be termed unsavory....Hey Arnold & Rugrats come to mind.  Over time she began to have problems with some of the inequities in Peanuts.  But she really got upset at the football game, and I can't say I blame her for that.  It's one thing to be hateful.  But it's another thing entirely to blame CB - in an extremely viscious manner - for something that was absolutely not his fault.  What's more, it wasn't as if it were hearsay....*all* the other kids saw what happened, and NOT ONE OF THEM stood up and said "wait, that's *Lucy's* fault, not CB's!"  Not even Linus, who repeatedly quotes the Bible.  I remember seeing the same thing as a kid, and I wanted CB to jump up and beat the living shiat out of Lucy, girl or no.

But my daughter couldn't understand this scene, and I can't explain it.  It's great that we can wax philosophically about it as adults, but I have trouble explaining it to her since CB doesn't really do anything to deserve all the hatred.  I suppose it would make a little more sense if he was an ass, but the truth is he's just kind of bland and unexciting.  Dealing with continual hated merely for being dull is difficult to explain.

And she surprised me as (over time) she began to voice her dislike of the cartoons.  When I asked why, she answered that she didn't really like how all the other kids were so hateful to CB when he didn't do anything to them and was actually nice to them.

So if anyone wants to flame me, feel free.  But I'm proud that my daughter cares about others' feelings at such a young age.  Compassion seems to be a commodity in short supply in this country - not to mention the world.  We could use a lot more of it.

/I now formally step down from my soapbox and toss it in the trash
 
2013-05-03 02:41:51 PM

ristst: feanorn: ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.



Hey now.

That's a quality soapbox. You can't trash it like that.

Here. Here's your soapbox. It's a bit dirty, but it can be cleaned up. Quality wordsmithing, that is, built upon quality parenting. Don't give it up.
 
2013-05-03 02:42:33 PM

ristst: She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown. We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game. Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick. And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it. She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game. And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.


Interesting...I've been seeking the same explanation for the last 30 years or so.
 
2013-05-03 02:43:05 PM

Gunderson: [www.theworkshopfc.net image 640x493]

I enjoyed Charlie better after he returned from Japan


Nah, he was still sad and pathetic even in Japanese.

wiki.tarantino.info
 
2013-05-03 02:55:20 PM

ristst: feanorn: ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Well...yeah. The whole point of Peanuts, it has always seemed to me, is to present kid life (and, through that, adult life) as it is really experienced by many. This cartoon is by the losers for the losers, but in a positive way: it's central message is if you look like one of these kids, stop it. Each of them has positive aspects, and those positive aspects are not denigrated, but each character is terribly flawed in his or her own way. Charlie Brown is certainly a decent fellow, but the girls disdain him and he is roundly abused on all side --- and both of these things are rooted in the same character flaw. He takes these repeated punishments and keeps on doing the same things in response; it's not his niceness that's the problem, it's the fact that he's a schlub and invites further abuse by sponging it up (bullies are often drawn to those they can either drive to lash out in response (rather than fighting back) or who are content to be punching bags). Linus tends toward wisdom, but he's not of this world, and misses out on what's around him (Sally, etc.). Lucy would be a great friend to have (she *will* back you up), if she could get over her extreme defensiveness (which leads to bullying) and anger issues. Schroeder has great skills and a strong work ethic, but he is fixated on one person, and one instrument, and one activity, and that is what simultaneously draws Lucy to him and keeps him from participating. Etc., etc. These kids are all messes, and they look like real kids, exaggerated a wee bit. Are they mean? Yes. Are they awful? Yes. But they are useful for instruction, both in what to expect in the world and as a picture of how not to live in a way that is ...


Much discussion has taken place around why the other kids were so cruel to Charlie Brown. It seems like every time there's a Peanuts thread here, that seems to dominate a pretty good sized portion of the discussion.

Whomever said that "kids were just that way once upon a time" is probably making a pretty accurate statement. That doesn't make it right but it is what it is. Back then, being a kid meant basically being thrown into a group of your peers and whatever happened happened. If someone was bullying you, it was your responsibility to deal with it because involving adults only made it worse for you, so you either sank or swam. You fought back or you retreated inwardly. Retreating also meant that your vulnerability increased dramatically as well.

To someone who wasn't raised in an environment like that, it must seem particularly jarring. I'm reminded of the sequence in the "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" feature film where he decides to compete in the school spelling bee, and the girls taunt him with a particularly vicious song entitled "Failure Face". The lyrics of the song are especially mean spirited...

You never do anything right
You never put anything in its place
No wonder everyone calls you
Failure Face

You're so impossibly dumb
In history books your name they'll erase
Or else they're bound to call you
Failure Face

And in the race to be stupid
You'd set a brand-new kind of pace
We'd like to christen you, Charlie
Failure Face

If this had come out today, it would have been widely panned and criticized extensively for it's blunt and unfettered cruelty.
 
2013-05-03 03:51:45 PM

zappaisfrank: ristst: feanorn: ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Well...yeah. The whole point of Peanuts, it has always seemed to me, is to present kid life (and, through that, adult life) as it is really experienced by many. This cartoon is by the losers for the losers, but in a positive way: it's central message is if you look like one of these kids, stop it. Each of them has positive aspects, and those positive aspects are not denigrated, but each character is terribly flawed in his or her own way. Charlie Brown is certainly a decent fellow, but the girls disdain him and he is roundly abused on all side --- and both of these things are rooted in the same character flaw. He takes these repeated punishments and keeps on doing the same things in response; it's not his niceness that's the problem, it's the fact that he's a schlub and invites further abuse by sponging it up (bullies are often drawn to those they can either drive to lash out in response (rather than fighting back) or who are content to be punching bags). Linus tends toward wisdom, but he's not of this world, and misses out on what's around him (Sally, etc.). Lucy would be a great friend to have (she *will* back you up), if she could get over her extreme defensiveness (which leads to bullying) and anger issues. Schroeder has great skills and a strong work ethic, but he is fixated on one person, and one instrument, and one activity, and that is what simultaneously draws Lucy to him and keeps him from participating. Etc., etc. These kids are all messes, and they look like real kids, exaggerated a wee bit. Are they mean? Yes. Are they awful? Yes. But they are useful for instruction, both in what to expect in the world and as a picture of how not to live in a way ...


The examinations of the strip always seem a bit overly complex. It's Schultz interpretation of his life and place in the social order. None of the things he included in the strip may have ever happenned in anyone else's perspective but his. He may have been surrounded by well meaning and acting peers, but he perhaps chose to focus on the worst of what he saw.
 
2013-05-03 03:57:19 PM

biglew99: This is cool! When I was young, my mom used to take me to rummage sales all the time. I have to admit she got me hooked on one in particular that happened every September in a suburb of Chicago (Wilmette, IL) thrown by the womens club. For a weekend, they would bring in tons of stuff and fill all 2 -3 levels of their club house with donations. One year I found a treasure trove of all of the Peanuts strips in book format. I had been seeing the comic strips, and watching the TV shows for years, but it was in those books that I discovered that Charlie Brown was actually a smart-aleck to begin with, as opposed to Mr. "Woe is Me." I was explaining this same thing to my kids last year. I wish I had kept all of those paperback, but my younger son got a copy of them all in a hard-cover format at one of his school book fairs. Funny how he was drawn to them like I was years ago.


Same here. I got all of the Charlie Brown and Mad paperbooks, My daughters all read them now.
 
2013-05-03 04:00:40 PM
The one time I got to chat with Sparky was revealing... Lucy was created during his first marriage; Lucy was the comic strip version of his wife. Peppermint Patty was the version of his second wife Jean. After he moved to Santa Rosa, he built the Redwood Empire Arena so he could play hockey. The upstairs offices have big windows where you can see the ice rink below. For a short while, he had an office with a drawing board and the tools he needed to create Peanuts near one of the windows. After he would have breakfast at his table in the Warm Puppy downstairs he would go to work. He said the work he did there was the most difficult time he had as a cartoonist. He would see the rink and want to grab a hockey stick and skates and be on the ice. So he built the office a block or so away so he couldn't see the ice and if he chose to skate he would need to walk to the rink.

Here's a phone photo of my wife and me:
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2013-05-03 04:31:04 PM
Are some people actually getting the site?  All I get is a 403 you-don't-have-permission message.
 
2013-05-03 04:32:57 PM

ristst: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.


A couple of years ago, I watched the DVD of A Boy Named Charlie Brown. It was actually the theatrical edition which included a couple of scenes that had been cut out of the TV broadcast and had never been shown until the DVD version restored them. One of the cut scenes occurred right after Lucy shows Charlie Brown the slideshow that showcased his faults in painful detail. She then replays one of his attempts to kick the ball in slow motion, saying (and I'm paraphrasing from memory), "you keep trying to kick the ball, because you believe that one day you will succeed, which of course will never happen, because you are doomed for failure".

It's probably the most rage-inducing scene in any of the movies or specials. And it makes the ending even more heart breaking, where Charlie comes back home after having lost the spelling bee, sees Lucy with the ball, thinks he can sneak up om her, but of course she yanks the ball away again. Not even at his lowest can she allow him to enjoy one tiny victory.
 
2013-05-03 04:54:42 PM
For the thread as a whole:

firedaily.com
 
2013-05-03 06:44:07 PM
All these posts and no "It's Martin Luther King Day, Charlie Brown"?  (NSFW audio)
 
2013-05-03 07:53:00 PM
I can understand why the kids disliked Charlie Brown. Always writing on the walls, always goofing in the halls, always throwing spit balls...
 
2013-05-03 09:48:28 PM

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: I can understand why the kids disliked Charlie Brown. Always writing on the walls, always goofing in the halls, always throwing spit balls...


He's a clown, that Charlie Brown.
 
2013-05-03 10:55:10 PM

Darth_Lukecash: thamike: BarkingUnicorn: A lot of people secretly view themselves as noble martyrs. That's why they sympathize with Charlie.

Yeah, they're passive aggressive dicks.  That's why I sympathize with Peppermint Patty.

l

Peppermint Patty was based on his second Wife-who was a big tomboy when she was a girl. She had things that made her feel like an outcast as well.

And I don't think Charlie Brown as a Nobel Martyr. I think people can relate to failure and feeling like the world is overwhelming. And yet despite his failings, Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick that football...


Hmmm . . . Charlie Brown as an Arthur Miller protagonist?

/Works for me
 
2013-05-03 11:02:37 PM

gunga galunga: ristst: Rik01: Never liked the 'Peanuts' comic strip.
Even as a kid, it didn't take me long to notice that Charlie Brown, the level headed, thoughtful and kind kid was made the butt of all of the nasty jokes, humiliated, taunted and ridiculed.

Even his dog turned against him in later years, mocking him periodically.

His closest friend, Schroder, basically stood by as Charlie was humiliated again and again and rarely, if ever, rose to his defense.

I've never understood the over all public fondness for the strip. I thought 'Pogo' was better. (Look it up.)

Every holiday special they had Charlie Brown being blamed for a myriad of things and then, at the end, after being chastised and ridiculed, he pulls it all together and not one of his friends even thanks him.

Lucy I wanted desperately for Charlie Brown to smack in the mouth.
The moral of the strip seemed to be that 'nice guys finish last'. None of his friends ever learned how reliable and loyal Charlie was.

By the time I was in my 20's, I no longer watched even the specials.

I much preferred Calvin and Hobbs or Hagar the Horrible.

I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

A couple of years ago, I watched the DVD of A Boy Named Charlie Brown. It was actually the theatrical edition which included a couple of scenes that had been cut out of the TV broad

cast and had never been shown until the DVD version restored them. One of the cut scenes occurred right after Lucy shows Charlie Brown the slideshow that showcased his faults in painful detail. She then replays one of his attempts to kick the ball in slow motion, saying (and I'm paraphrasing from memory), "you keep trying to kick the ball, because you believe that one day you will succeed, which of course will never happen, because you are doomed for failure".
It's probably the most rage-inducing scene in any of the movies or specials. And it makes the ending even more heart breaking, where Charlie comes back home after having lost the spelling bee, sees Lucy with the ball, thinks he can sneak up om her, but of course she yanks the ball away again. Not even at his lowest can she allow him to enjoy one tiny victory.


The problem there is that in order for the strip to work and the character to remain true to it's original intent, he can't ever kick the football. It's something that has to be otherwise the character loses something and is never the same. This same literary rule applies to any good comic or fictional "escapist" entertainment type character. It's the same reason that Beavis And Butthead can never "score", the castaways never get off of "Gilligan's Island" and Lucy Ricardo never gets her big break in show business...because once they do, the game is over.
Charlie Brown does have a few scattered successes throughout the various comic strips and TV specials. He does get a kiss from the little red haired girl in one of them. But the football thing has to stay true. I agree that Lucy was pretty mean with those comments but that was true to her character as well.
 
2013-05-03 11:35:24 PM

ristst: MBooda: ristst: I read the strips and books as a child, and I've tried to introduce my daughter to it.  She is 8yrs old.

SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES IT.

She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown.  We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game.  Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick.  And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Your daughter is a developing product of the Nanny State, where everyone must be nice to each other, bullying is unthinkable and worse than murder, and students are being prepared for a world of butterflies, baby bunnies and unicorns riding rainbows.

The attitudes displayed in Peanuts closely resembled what I and most other people born before 1970 experienced in school, except that the students in our schools weren't quite as erudite.

Slap her around a little bit, move to England and enroll her in a Public School.  Or enlist her in Marine Boot Camp.  She'll straighten up in no time.

Did you inhale a lot of asbestos during those years?  I was born in 1960, so I'm well acquainted with the aforementioned behaviors.

I've taught my daughter to pay no attention to people such as yourself.  She lives by the Golden Rule.  And she understands that the world is often neither fair nor is it nice.  What's important is how she lives her life and how she treats others.....the way she would like to be treated herself.

She'd even treat a douche such as you with respect.


I can't tell who's getting trolled here
 
2013-05-04 12:07:54 AM

Sid_6.7: Concerning XKCD, do you have an example of "too preachy". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure I've 'experienced' it myself, so please, really, share if you can.

Also, are you familiar with Perry Bible Fellowship (not what it sounds like, and possibly NSFW)? Might be one of the most balanced comics ever, if you don't mind all the gallows humor.

Also, Red Meat.


I can't think of a specific XKCD, just there are times where I'm put off, but of course I go to that page expecting nerd humor, nothing with a serious tone.

I love PBF, and thanks for the tip on Red Meat, I'll check it out this weekend.
 
2013-05-04 12:36:37 AM

SonOfSpam: Darth_Lukecash: craigdamage: Yeah, my memory is clouded. Schroeder was Brown's "2nd best friend after Linus" according to wiki.

I honestly can't remember that many panels with the two of them together.

sorry.

Schroeder was In the early days, especially with the baseball. He was the catcher to Charlie's pitcher.

!!!


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2013-05-04 01:01:48 AM

feanorn: ristst:My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it.  She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game.  And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Well...yeah. The whole point of Peanuts, it has always seemed to me, is to present kid life (and, through that, adult life) as it is really experienced by many. This cartoon is by the losers for the losers, but in a positive way: it's central message is if you look like one of these kids, stop it. Each of them has positive aspects, and those positive aspects are not denigrated, but each character is terribly flawed in his or her own way. Charlie Brown is certainly a decent fellow, but the girls disdain him and he is roundly abused on all side --- and both of these things are rooted in the same character flaw. He takes these repeated punishments and keeps on doing the same things in response; it's not his niceness that's the problem, it's the fact that he's a schlub and invites further abuse by sponging it up (bullies are often drawn to those they can either drive to lash out in response (rather than fighting back) or who are content to be punching bags). Linus tends toward wisdom, but he's not of this world, and misses out on what's around him (Sally, etc.). Lucy would be a great friend to have (she *will* back you up), if she could get over her extreme defensiveness (which leads to bullying) and anger issues. Schroeder has great skills and a strong work ethic, but he is fixated on one person, and one instrument, and one activity, and that is what simultaneously draws Lucy to him and keeps him from participating. Etc., etc. These kids are all messes, and they look like real kids, exaggerated a wee bit. Are they mean? Yes. Are they awful? Yes. But they are useful for instruction, both in what to expect in the world and as a picture of how not to live in a way that is good for ...


Haha, NERD.

/Kidding. I enjoyed that insight.
 
2013-05-04 02:01:53 AM
I never liked Peanuts, it wasn't funny to me. If I am reading a comic I want to be giggling and laughing and Peanuts never did that for me. Of course that might be because my older brother let me read his Mad Magazines and I was hooked! I would also sneak my Moms "Super Sex To Sexty" just because I could and learned to tell REALLY good dirty jokes at school!
 
2013-05-04 04:11:58 AM

Astorix: I met Charles Schulz in 1994 at his office/home in Santa Rosa. He was quite approachable. His number was in the phone book! We just called and he invited us over. In real life he was actually quite depressed. He lamented the demise of the quality of cartoons and strips. He brought out his Terry and the Pirates book in his huge library and lamented that strips just don't have that quality any more.
I mentioned how many cartoonists imitate his simple lines and how revolutionary his art style was. I said "you made it look so easy!"

Another quirky fact about "sparky" was that he was more than likely autistic. He was brilliant intellectually but socially awkward and shy. I can relate having an autistic cousin who is a PHd in electronic engineering but steps back when people approach him. Exact same brilliance but very very exacting.

PS he never wanted ANY reboots of the strip. He never allowed any assistants to touch it and he wanted the strip to die with him.


Ah, but comic book artist Al Plastino was commissioned to do a run of Peanuts strips, either during one of Schulz's heath scares, or just because the Syndicates wanted him to know he could be replaced.

Now, the strips were never published, but there is a run of Non-Schulz Peanuts strips out there in some vault.

...and I hope Fantagraphics reprints them at some point in their Complete Peanuts books.
 
2013-05-04 04:30:54 AM

tnpir: ristst: She hates how horrible all the other kids are to Charlie Brown. We watched the one show where CB needs to kick a field goal to win the big game. Of course, Lucy snatches the ball away and CB doesn't make the kick. And everyone else screams at CB "you blockhead, you lost the game for us!"

My daughter was in tears after this, and she demanded we stop watching it. She could not understand why the kids didn't BLAME LUCY, since she was the one who was responsible for the lost game. And honestly, I had no explanation....since I always had the same question when I was a kid.

Interesting...I've been seeking the same explanation for the last 30 years or so.


I'll throw out the answer. Kids blame Charlie Brown (for trying and failing to kick the football, rather than blaming Lucy for taunting him with it), "because it's always easier to blame the victim." If the kids blame Lucy, they might have to do something about it. If they blame Charlie, Lucy will continue to taunt Charlie, and nobody else has to worry that Lucy will turn her malicious attentions anywhere else.

I'm just asking questions: This might be my single favorite Peanuts comic.

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Where's the one with the only time in Charlie Brown's life where he (sort of) won: someone comes up to him and greets him while he's building a sand castle. His response is to pre-emptively kick over his own sandcastle. When the confused greeter asks why he did that, he responds along the lines of "I wanted to beat you to it."
 
2013-05-04 04:36:53 AM
Not sure how he could be "replaced". He had a total stranglehold on his artwork. Would only let a tiny handful of  people draw his characters. And to do that the artists had Togo through a grueling audition process to prove they had the chops to ape his style perfectly.
 
2013-05-04 06:01:09 AM

Hey, no love for The Book of Biff?


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Farkers, I am sorely disappoint.

 
2013-05-04 06:04:44 AM

derpy: Peanuts was okay, but it's no
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This.  This, a thousand times.  The undisputed king, and Calvin and Hobbes was ts loyal and faithful seneschal.  Or maybe it's the other way around.  Either way, it's awesome.
 
2013-05-04 09:46:46 AM

derpy: Peanuts was okay, but it's no
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Oooopp Ack!

Plus it gave us Deathtounge Billy and the Boingers!
 
2013-05-04 09:51:15 AM
Whoops, lost the image:

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and this:

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