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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   In the 'wrong line of work' department: There are lifeguards making more than $100,000 in California. Lots of them. All over the state. Not just captains or chiefs or supervisors, but frontline lifeguards   (utsandiego.com) divider line 133
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2013-05-02 07:42:28 PM
They have to pay for the fake boobs somehow. And they often do police work, and get molested by the Hoff.
 
2013-05-02 07:49:30 PM
www.geekculture.com

Awww yeahhhh, biatches!
 
2013-05-02 07:52:12 PM
That's a living wage in California.
 
2013-05-02 07:55:48 PM
They also live in a city where the living wage is 90 grand+.

And they are not YMCA pool life guards, but trained and certified firefighters and rescue technicians with their EMTs and Paramedic licenses.

/Protip: the major beach lifeguard agencies are under that county or city fire department or law enforcement agency.
 
2013-05-02 08:10:52 PM

Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.


FTFY
 
2013-05-02 08:23:40 PM
Submitter:  Not just captains or chiefs or supervisors . . .

Hmm, let's review all 23 of these job titles, shall we?

Marine Safety Lieutenant
Aquatics coordinator
Aquatics coordinator
Beach lifeguard captain
Aquatics supervisor
Aquatics supervisor
Aquatics supervisor
Marine Safety Sergeant
Beach lifeguard - lieutenant
Lifeguard captain
Aquatics supervisor
Aquatic manager
Marine Safety Captain
Aquatic manager
State park peace officer (lifeguard), range B
Marine Safety Chief
Lifeguard captain
Aquatic manager
Marine Safety Chief
Chief
of Marine Safety
Lifeguard II
Marine Safety Officer II
Chief of lifeguard services, fire

Wow, it sounds to me like at least 75% of these are the top person in the city/county (including some cities and counties with several million residents) in charge of aquatic safety and/or beach security, including some that have additional fire-fighting or peace officer duties as well.  And most of the others seem to be in pretty high positions as well.  Yes, there do seem to be all of two rank-and-file lifeguards on the list, but both of them earned about half of their income from overtime pay, probably from pulling double shifts because of short-staffing from layoffs.  I doubt any of these guys are bong-drooling teenager surfer dudes sitting on a chair and yelling "Hey, kids, knock off that horseplay" at work all day.

Not to mention, of course, that most of these are in places like Seal Beach, Laguna Beach, and other beach communities where it costs you $3000 a month even to rent a cardboard box to live in, and wages tend to be higher across the board to compensate for it.

I fail to see the outrage here.  Sorry that your "job" pays so much less, Subby, but operating a deep-fryer doesn't require quite as much expertise or training as these jobs do.
 
2013-05-02 08:31:53 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY


A hardline conservative biatching about how much money working people earn.  Typical.
 
2013-05-02 08:33:43 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY

A hardline conservative biatching about how much money working people earn.  Typical.


He's beyond conservative hard line - he's absolutely delusional.
 
2013-05-02 08:38:37 PM
They do more for me than most people with that income...
 
2013-05-02 09:18:46 PM
Do you people realize how hard it is to run in slow motion?

It takes YEARS of training to do it convincingly.
 
2013-05-02 09:38:58 PM
You know what I want when I'm drowning? Some high school kid with 3 hours of training making $5/hr.
 
2013-05-02 09:41:52 PM
That seems excessive to me. First world problems, I guess.
 
2013-05-02 09:49:49 PM

Krieghund: That's a living wage in California.


I was going to say... After taxes, rent, and utilities, that leaves you with maybe enough to eat out once a month.
 
2013-05-02 10:07:44 PM

Fark Me To Tears: Krieghund: That's a living wage in California.

I was going to say... After taxes, rent, and utilities, that leaves you with maybe enough to eat out once a month.


Also, I suspect those dollar figures don't include the benefits. That's not home ownership-level income. Perhaps a condo, or a nice apartment, and a 3 or 4 year old Toyota.
 
2013-05-02 10:49:26 PM
And this is a problem because?

//Higher risk tends towards higher pay.
///at least it should.
 
2013-05-02 10:49:56 PM
The free market will sort out drowning kids.
 
2013-05-02 10:50:20 PM
 
2013-05-02 10:50:52 PM
the people on that list that aren't the equivalent of a fire chief are people that are apparently busting their asses with overtime.
 
2013-05-02 10:51:36 PM
Sure it seems excessive, to someone living in Kansas.
 
2013-05-02 10:52:54 PM
Red water panties aren't cheap.
 
2013-05-02 10:53:43 PM
That doesn't include benefits, and before taxes, in cities with huge costs of living. These people are taking home around $45-50k after taxes, and insurance. In most of these places that will allow you to scrape together a down payment on a $250,000 shiat-hole house in a bad neighborhood in 5-10 years.

Also, I don't mind paying a little more for people who are going to potentially save my life, if it means they are qualified and current on their training and certifications.
 
2013-05-02 10:54:16 PM
California has a high cost of living but outside of a few areas it isn't as ridiculous as everyone makes it out to be.

I lived in San Diego proper on 45k and was just fine.
 
2013-05-02 10:54:29 PM
Adjust for cost of living in California and it's not as much as you think.
 
2013-05-02 10:54:48 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY


Yeah!  People who swim into ocean riptides to save kids deserve minimum wage!  Because if they don't have their own hedge fund, fark 'em, amirite?
 
2013-05-02 10:54:52 PM

scalpod: Sure it seems excessive, to someone living in Kansas.


So do shoes.
 
2013-05-02 10:56:50 PM
It sounds bad and it may be bad but most of those are supervisiory level employees managing significant staffs and potentially budgets.  It isn't the rank and file lifeguard pulling in the big bucks in most cases unless they are putting in ungodly overtime numbers.  The bulk of employees in this job classification are seasonal and part time workers making nowhere near the money from the article.  Remember lifeguards in many cases are hybrids requring both medical training as well as law enforcement and regulatory aspects depending on the location so it isn't usually just joe blow off the street except at the lowest levels not making much money.  You may have long stretches of boring oogling of attractive and unattractive people, but they are there for the rare instance where they are needed and do save lives at times so the pay while eye opening isn't necessarily unreasonable depending on the circumstance.
 
2013-05-02 10:58:52 PM

FreetardoRivera: California has a high cost of living but outside of a few areas it isn't as ridiculous as everyone makes it out to be.

I lived in San Diego proper on 45k and was just fine.


Same, San Diego native. 100k is not a living wage in California. It's doing well. It's not insane, but it's not working class.
 
2013-05-02 10:59:04 PM

lostcat: That doesn't include benefits, and before taxes, in cities with huge costs of living. These people are taking home around $45-50k after taxes, and insurance. In most of these places that will allow you to scrape together a down payment on a $250,000 shiat-hole house in a bad neighborhood in 5-10 years.

Also, I don't mind paying a little more for people who are going to potentially save my life, if it means they are qualified and current on their training and certifications.


And what exactly are they getting in government services that someone in Kansas doesn't get at a fraction of the cost?

/Don't say first-class lifeguards, you cynical assholes
 
2013-05-02 10:59:13 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY

A hardline conservative biatching about how much money working people earn.  Typical.


It's mostly a matter of biatching about cost of living.

I'm being forced to leave my apartment next month (month to month lease, and they need to do some work).  Between moving, the security deposit, the prorated rent on the last place, and the $700/month (or more) increase in my monthly rent (from losing the roommate), I'm going to blow through about $5000 next month just in "rent and related".

/Of course, once you accept that rent is half your pay, the salaries are really good.
 
2013-05-02 10:59:34 PM

HMS_Blinkin: jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY

Yeah!  People who swim into ocean riptides to save kids deserve minimum wage!  Because if they don't have their own hedge fund, fark 'em, amirite?


They should earn the waiter/waitress minimum wage and live on tips.
 
2013-05-02 10:59:45 PM
Jesus Christ, yes, that's excessive.  Even for being the chief lifeguard.
 
2013-05-02 10:59:50 PM
Do I have to wear a speedo? Do I have to leave my stuff open and exposed for anyone who wants to Hassle my Hoff? I just remember staring at Hasselhoff's red swaddled man-mountain, possibly spearing anyone who walked by while he was working.

I'm not gay by the way but I think everyone will agree it was very noticable.

It seemed like his little lighthouse was always the first on the lookout for anyone in trouble in the water, with a lot of interplay between the "how big is the Hassel Head?" and "Will I soon be giving mouth-to-mouth to a dude or chick?" I felt it was more exciting for him when it was a guy. I think we could all tell.

Is ANYBODY with me on this?
 
2013-05-02 11:02:24 PM
Hasselhoff did a convincing job on SpongeBob, so I'm with the rebel
 
2013-05-02 11:03:44 PM
the only thing that looked weird to me was the aquatics positions and some of the overtime. other than that those salaries are what managers get paid
 
2013-05-02 11:04:30 PM

Daedalus27: It sounds bad and it may be bad but most of those are supervisiory level employees managing significant staffs and potentially budgets.  It isn't the rank and file lifeguard pulling in the big bucks in most cases unless they are putting in ungodly overtime numbers.  The bulk of employees in this job classification are seasonal and part time workers making nowhere near the money from the article.  Remember lifeguards in many cases are hybrids requring both medical training as well as law enforcement and regulatory aspects depending on the location so it isn't usually just joe blow off the street except at the lowest levels not making much money.  You may have long stretches of boring oogling of attractive and unattractive people, but they are there for the rare instance where they are needed and do save lives at times so the pay while eye opening isn't necessarily unreasonable depending on the circumstance.


Jesus H Christ, this.


You need to be *constantly* actively watching.  It's harder than you might think.  And you have to actively watch for this:



Drowning itself is quick and silent, although it may be preceded by distress which is more visible.[5] A person drowning is unable to shout or call for help, or seek attention, as they cannot obtain enough air. The instinctive drowning response is the final set of autonomic reactions in the 20 - 60 seconds before sinking underwater, and to the untrained eye can look similar to calm safe behavior.[5][6] Lifeguards and other persons trained in rescue learn to recognize drowning people by watching for these instinctive movements.[5]


I just did it for one summer (had to grab one girl who went under) and it is freaking exhausting to be constantly vigilant. More so than you'd think.

Plus knowing how to do CPR, basic first aid, probably more advanced first aid, getting continuously re-certified in it all, and as aforementioned crowd control and policing and managing seasonal staff so THEY won't miss a drowning victim while oogling the girl in the bikini and yeah. if you're dedicated enough to make it your career all f--king power to you.

And for you free market twits, pparently the market is competitive enough where they can demand those wages. Good for them.
 
2013-05-02 11:04:59 PM
Headline: "Not just captains or chiefs or supervisors, but frontline lifeguards"

Article: Every single person making over $100k was a captain, chief, or supervisor
 
2013-05-02 11:05:03 PM
If California didn't have an army of Mexicans working for table scraps that state would collapse in a second.
 
2013-05-02 11:05:22 PM
I need a picture of what some (busty) lifeguards might look like. You know...for science.
 
2013-05-02 11:06:40 PM

justinguarini4ever: If California didn't have an army of Mexicans working for table scraps that state would collapse in a second.


ZERO TOLERANCE. ETERNAL VIGILANCE. YOU ARE NOW SAFE.
 
2013-05-02 11:08:21 PM

justinguarini4ever: If California didn't have an army of Mexicans working for table scraps that state would collapse in a second.


It's the secret shame of California.

Despite being all progressive-like, they still depend on an invisible underclass of foreign labor who toil away with no real legal protection or upward mobility.

Those damned republicans are behind all of this somehow.
 
2013-05-02 11:08:29 PM

Krieghund: That's a living wage in California.


Barely.  And enjoy the skin cancer from being outside so much.  Gonna look like an old leather jacket by 30.
 
2013-05-02 11:09:04 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Krieghund: That's a living wage in what's wrong with California.

FTFY


Move to California, collect food stamps, get a teacher's license, and be a seasonal lifeguard. Three times the luxury and all the easy work. I'm sure you can do it.
 
2013-05-02 11:11:04 PM

Molavian: Jesus Christ, yes, that's excessive.  Even for being the chief lifeguard.


The Chief Lifeguard at an Ocean beach is more like a battalion chief in a fire department, not the 17 year old at the neighborhood pool.
 
2013-05-02 11:11:46 PM
Yea. Ron Johnson the previous CEO of JCPenny received over 53 million in 2012.  How many lives did he save?
 
2013-05-02 11:12:18 PM
well, I'd rather not have some minimum wage flunky doing that job.
 
2013-05-02 11:12:30 PM
Those lifeguards not only do a dangerous job, they look good doing it. Worth every penny.
 
2013-05-02 11:13:05 PM

puppetmaster745: And what exactly are they getting in government services that someone in Kansas doesn't get at a fraction of the cost?
/Don't say first-class lifeguards, you cynical assholes


They're getting lifeguards that live in Los Angeles.

Lifeguards that live in Kansas aren't going to do us much good, are they?
 
2013-05-02 11:13:57 PM

puppetmaster745: lostcat: That doesn't include benefits, and before taxes, in cities with huge costs of living. These people are taking home around $45-50k after taxes, and insurance. In most of these places that will allow you to scrape together a down payment on a $250,000 shiat-hole house in a bad neighborhood in 5-10 years.

Also, I don't mind paying a little more for people who are going to potentially save my life, if it means they are qualified and current on their training and certifications.

And what exactly are they getting in government services that someone in Kansas doesn't get at a fraction of the cost?

/Don't say first-class lifeguards, you cynical assholes


I must be stupid because I don't understand what you mean by "getting in government services" and I don't see what's cynical about my comments.
 
2013-05-02 11:16:42 PM
www.pmpnetwork.com
/Rewards his unit well for hard work
 
2013-05-02 11:18:06 PM
And yet they couldn't even save that poor baby sea lion from Gabby Giffords dog.
 
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