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2013-05-02 06:54:07 PM  
Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.
 
2013-05-02 06:54:33 PM  
There are no words.
 
2013-05-02 06:54:49 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.


Quiet, you capitalist pig
 
2013-05-02 06:56:00 PM  
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-05-02 06:57:12 PM  
Maybe it is just a few bad apples after all. This guy certainly met his quota. Holy fark.
 
2013-05-02 06:58:41 PM  
Professional!
 
2013-05-02 07:00:21 PM  
Sounds pretty average to me.
 
2013-05-02 07:00:31 PM  
CSB

We had a useless assistant manager that worked for us. Always calling off, never got his people to get work done, etc. So day before he is supposed to start his vacation, he calls off sick. We thought it was gonna be a staycation. He had actually booked a week in Vegas. He was actually calling FROM the lobby in Vegas to call off. Which was his downfall as during the call, someone hit the jackpot on the slots behind him. Idiot.
 
2013-05-02 07:01:52 PM  
Well... German Bosque - he just couldn't make up his damn mind.
 
2013-05-02 07:01:55 PM  
I'm impressed he was actually fired for any of those things. Sounds like most cops' SOP.
 
2013-05-02 07:02:05 PM  
Good help is just so hard to find now at days... what with the job market and all.
 
2013-05-02 07:02:11 PM  
It's in good hands with Daddy.
"Daddy?"

www.imfdb.org
 
2013-05-02 07:02:55 PM  
 
2013-05-02 07:03:29 PM  
WTH? How can you get fired 8 times from 3 police departments? Why would a department re-hire someone they fired? More than once? 5 times? WTF?
I cant imagine a company that fired me (yep, it has happened) would hire me back and I'm a machinist!

Someone needs to dig a little deeper on this one, because no matter how you slice it, there is a serious problem in the system and it is clearly illustrated.

B
 
2013-05-02 07:03:46 PM  
"The department told arbitrator Jeanne Wood that Sgt. German Bosque should be terminated because he had left a city-owned, 30-round assault rifle like the one used to slaughter 20 elementary school children last year in Connecticut in the hands of his then-girlfriend's father. "

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2013-05-02 07:04:47 PM  
Also,

"The department told arbitrator Jeanne Wood that Sgt. German Bosque should be terminated because he had left a city-owned, 30-round assault rifle like the one used to slaughter 20 elementary school children last year in Connecticut in the hands of his then-girlfriend's father.

Nice grammar fail.
 
2013-05-02 07:04:58 PM  

whither_apophis: I'm impressed he was actually fired for any of those things. Sounds like most cops' SOP.


Not as if the firings actually took.
 
2013-05-02 07:06:48 PM  
You would think that, by now, even his own local police union would have taken this shiatstain out back behind the station and administered some "justice" to him for making the rest of them look like absolute jackasses for standing behind him the other 6 times he has been fired by his *current* police department (he was fired by 2 other departments *before* the Opa-Locka PD hired him).
 
2013-05-02 07:07:20 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.


No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator.
 
2013-05-02 07:12:08 PM  

croesius: Also,

"The department told arbitrator Jeanne Wood that Sgt. German Bosque should be terminated because he had left a city-owned, 30-round assault rifle like the one used to slaughter 20 elementary school children last year in Connecticut in the hands of his then-girlfriend's father.

Nice grammar fail.


YOU try writing "Slaughtered 20 elementary school children" into every gun related story.
 
2013-05-02 07:12:16 PM  

CruiserTwelve: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator.


I'm sure his Union Lawyer was entirely incidental to the process.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

Quiet, you capitalist pig


Unions are best suited to environments where they are not being courted by both liberals and conservatives.  Plus monopolies are always tricky whether or not they are capitalist or labor monopolies.
 
2013-05-02 07:12:56 PM  

CruiserTwelve: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator.


Making decisions based on the rules and guidelines set out in the union-negotiated collective bargaining agreement with a union attorney representing him at each hearing.
 
2013-05-02 07:14:14 PM  

CruiserTwelve: No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator.


Well, the important part is that he got his paid administrative leave and his job back after. Like it really matters who gave it to him.
 
2013-05-02 07:16:25 PM  

Percise1: WTH? How can you get fired 8 times from 3 police departments? Why would a department re-hire someone they fired? More than once? 5 times? WTF?
I cant imagine a company that fired me (yep, it has happened) would hire me back and I'm a machinist!


You belong to the wrong union.
 
2013-05-02 07:16:44 PM  
please don't be tampa please don't be tampa...


oh yah!
 
2013-05-02 07:16:46 PM  

CruiserTwelve: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator.


Well, since unions generally aren't the ones "employing" police officers, you're right.

...
 
2013-05-02 07:17:24 PM  

Percise1: WTH? How can you get fired 8 times from 3 police departments? Why would a department re-hire someone they fired? More than once? 5 times? WTF?
I cant imagine a company that fired me (yep, it has happened) would hire me back and I'm a machinist!

Someone needs to dig a little deeper on this one, because no matter how you slice it, there is a serious problem in the system and it is clearly illustrated.

B


Probably had a deal if he agreed to "resign" they wouldn't say he was a shiatbag, but if it comes up for a trial they can't lie about it.


CruiserTwelve: No union gave this dirty cop his job back. It was either a civil service board or an arbitrator


No the unions just gave him legal backing and promised to sue if they did can him.
 
2013-05-02 07:19:40 PM  

DerPups: please don't be tampa please don't be tampa...


oh yah!


Nope. Opa-Locka

And not a single Willy Wonka comment. I guess I was the only ignorant enough to be amused by that name.
 
2013-05-02 07:19:41 PM  
cdn0.sbnation.com

Did he make a fellow cop get wet? Then what's the problem?
 
2013-05-02 07:19:45 PM  
i662.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-02 07:21:19 PM  

sobernutz: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/30/v-fullstory/2876652/the-south-f l orida-cop-who-wont.html#storylink=cpy

He's been on Fark before.


Holy shiat that's a long rap sheet...23 years of asshattery = pretty much a career criminal.
 
2013-05-02 07:21:34 PM  

Cletus C.: DerPups: please don't be tampa please don't be tampa...


oh yah!

Nope. Opa-Locka

And not a single Willy Wonka comment. I guess I was the only ignorant enough to be amused by that name.


Opa-Locka is down in Miami-Dade and it's a serious neighborhood. some parts of it are safe sure but you know how rappers always give props to 'what hood theys from'?

Opa-Locka is a frequently mentioned one
 
2013-05-02 07:22:25 PM  
Why are police officers allowed to have military weapons of mass murder? There's no need for that. They should carry double barrel shotguns like Joe Biden recommends.
 
2013-05-02 07:22:51 PM  

DerPups: Cletus C.: DerPups: please don't be tampa please don't be tampa...


oh yah!

Nope. Opa-Locka

And not a single Willy Wonka comment. I guess I was the only ignorant enough to be amused by that name.

Opa-Locka is down in Miami-Dade and it's a serious neighborhood. some parts of it are safe sure but you know how rappers always give props to 'what hood theys from'?

Opa-Locka is a frequently mentioned one


Doesn't sound like a place I want to be taking my talents.
 
2013-05-02 07:23:09 PM  
kim jong-un


Maybe it is just a few bad apples after all.

The point of that old saying "one bad apple" isn't to point out the rarity of "bad apples", but to point out the importance of weeding those rotten apples from the bunch. It also helps prove that 99% of cops are evil as they don't want their fellow criminals outed.

Good cops would want these fools gone. What we see is cops lining up to support these bad apples.
 
2013-05-02 07:27:30 PM  
Came into this thread expecting people to ignore that the guy has been fired eight times and make broad statements attacking cops but not the unions that allow this nonsense to go on.  Because there are no facets of modern liberal politics that are flawed.  None.  They must all be protected.

Not disappointed.

And yeah, Opa-Locka is scary as shiat.
 
2013-05-02 07:28:44 PM  

jayphat: CSB

We had a useless assistant manager that worked for us. Always calling off, never got his people to get work done, etc. So day before he is supposed to start his vacation, he calls off sick. We thought it was gonna be a staycation. He had actually booked a week in Vegas. He was actually calling FROM the lobby in Vegas to call off. Which was his downfall as during the call, someone hit the jackpot on the slots behind him. Idiot.


He should have just played if of and said he was watching the T.V show Las Vegas.
 
2013-05-02 07:31:08 PM  
If at first you don't succeed...
 
2013-05-02 07:38:38 PM  
How retarded is the arbitrator that she needs 30 days to decide???
 
2013-05-02 07:39:23 PM  

QueenMamaBee: How retarded is the arbitrator that she needs 30 days to decide???


And that she is taking 60-90.
 
2013-05-02 07:41:05 PM  
FTA: Arbitrator Jeanne Wood was expected to make a decision about Bosque's job within 60 to 90 days.

WTF?  Is she getting paid by the day?  If she can't decide this one in 48 hours she needs to be shiat-canned from her job.
 
2013-05-02 07:43:33 PM  
...fire that person and the retard that keeps bringing em back
 
2013-05-02 07:45:00 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.


Interracial relationships are the good type of union.  Always good to have the "that's racist" card up your sleeve.
 
2013-05-02 07:45:16 PM  
shiat. This wasn't even the first time this scumbag has been on Fark.

http://www.fark.com/comments/6786301/73470043
 
2013-05-02 07:45:32 PM  

Cletus C.: Making decisions based on the rules and guidelines set out in the union-negotiated collective bargaining agreement with a union attorney representing him at each hearing.


So what are you saying? Cops shouldn't be able to negotiate working conditions and wages? They shouldn't be allowed to be represented by counsel at employment and disciplinary hearings?

I don't like it any more then anyone else when some jerk that shouldn't be a cop gets his job back, but to blame a union for that is wrong. If  a hearing officer, civil service board or arbitrator gives a bad cop his job back it's almost always the fault of the employer for making a bad disciplinary decision OR failing to follow the proper procedures to terminate the person. It's not the union's fault for defending the contract or the procedures.
 
2013-05-02 07:48:09 PM  
FTFA:  Arbitrator Jeanne Wood was expected to make a decision about Bosque's job within 60 to 90 days.

Let me translate this for my fellow citizens:  Arbitrator Jeanne Wood was expected to give Bosque 60 to 90 days to make her palm start growing $100 bills.

What a load of bullshiat.
 
2013-05-02 07:49:28 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't like it any more then than anyone else

 
2013-05-02 07:53:10 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Cletus C.: Making decisions based on the rules and guidelines set out in the union-negotiated collective bargaining agreement with a union attorney representing him at each hearing.

So what are you saying? Cops shouldn't be able to negotiate working conditions and wages? They shouldn't be allowed to be represented by counsel at employment and disciplinary hearings?

I don't like it any more then anyone else when some jerk that shouldn't be a cop gets his job back, but to blame a union for that is wrong. If  a hearing officer, civil service board or arbitrator gives a bad cop his job back it's almost always the fault of the employer for making a bad disciplinary decision OR failing to follow the proper procedures to terminate the person. It's not the union's fault for defending the contract or the procedures.


Representation at disciplinary hearings? Why is there even a freaking hearing? We did an investigation. You did/didn't do this. This is your punishment. That is the real world. Employment hearing. Good grief.
 
2013-05-02 07:53:29 PM  

CruiserTwelve: It's not the union's fault for defending the contract or the procedures


No but it is the Unions fault for making the contract and procedures so burdensome that asshats like this can do things that would make an average joe a felon.  It is his fellow officers fault for not arresting him for these things.
 
2013-05-02 07:56:45 PM  

jayphat: Representation at disciplinary hearings? Why is there even a freaking hearing? We did an investigation. You did/didn't do this. This is your punishment. That is the real world. Employment hearing. Good grief.


So who gets to do the investigation and make the disciplinary decisions? The employer? Should the employee have no recourse if the decision is wrong or politically motivated?
 
2013-05-02 08:01:23 PM  

liam76: No but it is the Unions fault for making the contract and procedures so burdensome that asshats like this can do things that would make an average joe a felon.


Contracts are negotiated for and signed by both the union and the employer.

Contracts rarely address specific behaviors that can lead to discipline as those issues are managerial matters. They do, however, address processes that must be followed. When bad cops get their jobs back it's almost always the result of the employer failing to follow the agreed upon process.
 
2013-05-02 08:03:01 PM  
Ummm yes?

Example: I screw up(or I dont). I get disciplined. I dont have to sign it. I can fight it right up the chain to the CEO if I want, but you know for DAMN SURE I will be in the right if it gets that far. If public servants had to go through that, idiots like this would be long gone.
 
2013-05-02 08:03:10 PM  
liam76:   It is his fellow officers fault for not arresting him for these things.

FTA:  WFOR noted that Bosque was the "most disciplined, fined, fired, arrested police officer in the state."
 
2013-05-02 08:05:18 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: No but it is the Unions fault for making the contract and procedures so burdensome that asshats like this can do things that would make an average joe a felon.

Contracts are negotiated for and signed by both the union and the employer.

Contracts rarely address specific behaviors that can lead to discipline as those issues are managerial matters. They do, however, address processes that must be followed. When bad cops get their jobs back it's almost always the result of the employer failing to follow the agreed upon process.


As I tell my fellow managers: document, document, document!
 
2013-05-02 08:06:45 PM  

jayphat: Example: I screw up(or I dont). I get disciplined. I dont have to sign it. I can fight it right up the chain to the CEO if I want, but you know for DAMN SURE I will be in the right if it gets that far. If public servants had to go through that, idiots like this would be long gone.


But what if it's the CEO himself that fires you and you believe it's an unjust firing?
 
2013-05-02 08:07:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: jayphat: Example: I screw up(or I dont). I get disciplined. I dont have to sign it. I can fight it right up the chain to the CEO if I want, but you know for DAMN SURE I will be in the right if it gets that far. If public servants had to go through that, idiots like this would be long gone.

But what if it's the CEO himself that fires you and you believe it's an unjust firing?


Then you're shiat out of luck? Sue in court? This is what normal people do.
 
2013-05-02 08:08:46 PM  

jayphat: As I tell my fellow managers: document, document, document!


And I can tell you from experience that lack of documentation is the biggest issue that mangers have when trying to enforce discipline. If it ain't in writing, it didn't happen.
 
2013-05-02 08:11:26 PM  

jayphat: Then you're shiat out of luck? Sue in court? This is what normal people do.


That's the procedure most people have. If you hire an attorney and sue in court and get your job back, is it your attorney's fault that you got your job back even if your fellow employees believe you were fired legitimately?
 
2013-05-02 08:11:54 PM  

CruiserTwelve: jayphat: As I tell my fellow managers: document, document, document!

And I can tell you from experience that lack of documentation is the biggest issue that mangers have when trying to enforce discipline. If it ain't in writing, it didn't happen.


I should clarify. Consistent documentation. If you are documenting abscences for a person, you damn well better be doing it for all.
 
2013-05-02 08:14:23 PM  

CruiserTwelve: jayphat: Then you're shiat out of luck? Sue in court? This is what normal people do.

That's the procedure most people have. If you hire an attorney and sue in court and get your job back, is it your attorney's fault that you got your job back even if your fellow employees believe you were fired legitimately?


If it was a legitimate firing and not the result of "you fired him on a Thursday when you have consistently fired people on Fridays" even though I just ran over a customer with a truck that day, then no.
 
2013-05-02 08:19:25 PM  
If Opa-Locka is such a tough hood, it seems this guy could have been terminated from everything long ago.  He must be pretty popular among his fellow officers for some reason.
 
2013-05-02 08:19:48 PM  
Dear America,

You are a strange place.

Love,

Rest of the civilized world.
 
2013-05-02 08:24:03 PM  

jayphat: CruiserTwelve: jayphat: Example: I screw up(or I dont). I get disciplined. I dont have to sign it. I can fight it right up the chain to the CEO if I want, but you know for DAMN SURE I will be in the right if it gets that far. If public servants had to go through that, idiots like this would be long gone.

But what if it's the CEO himself that fires you and you believe it's an unjust firing?

Then you're shiat out of luck? Sue in court? This is what normal people do.


Actually you can get a hearing with the employment board if you feel that you have been unjustly fired
 
2013-05-02 08:27:55 PM  

jayphat: If it was a legitimate firing and not the result of "you fired him on a Thursday when you have consistently fired people on Fridays" even though I just ran over a customer with a truck that day, then no.


But who gets to decide if it's a "legitimate" firing? Employers think every firing is legitimate.

The appeals process that most police agencies follow is a good process. Yes, it can be abused or misused by some, as the guy in the article proves, but in the vast majority of cases it allows cops to work in a very political climate without constant fear of being fired for arresting the mayor's son, for example.
 
2013-05-02 08:32:53 PM  
Ah, unions.  Where would we be without them?  Dead of overwork in a dark Satanic coal mine before the age of fourteen, to hear 'em tell it.
 
2013-05-02 08:33:28 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: No but it is the Unions fault for making the contract and procedures so burdensome that asshats like this can do things that would make an average joe a felon.

Contracts are negotiated for and signed by both the union and the employer.

Contracts rarely address specific behaviors that can lead to discipline as those issues are managerial matters. They do, however, address processes that must be followed. When bad cops get their jobs back it's almost always the result of the employer failing to follow the agreed upon process.


The 'employer' is the govt, and police unions have a lot if pull to make sure those contracts are better for bad cops than the public.
 
2013-05-02 08:34:16 PM  

Doom MD: Why are police officers allowed to have military weapons of mass murder? There's no need for that. They should carry double barrel shotguns like Joe Biden recommends.


Spare a thought for the British police, look at what they have to work with.
img98.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-02 08:43:18 PM  
Guy thought Bad Lieutenant was a role model.
 
2013-05-02 08:48:24 PM  
Opa-Locka?

4.bp.blogspot.com

Evilhippie: Dear America,

You are a strange place.

Love,

Rest of the civilized world.


100% true.
 
2013-05-02 08:49:17 PM  
The Opa-Locka Police Department

Sure that's not the Oompa Loompa police department?

s10.postimg.org
 
2013-05-02 08:59:59 PM  
Love all the  Union hate, FL like AZ is a right wing neo-conservative right to work State that has serious Badge worship issues, the procedures for dismissal of a LEO are set by the  fine upstanding Law Enforcement Loving Conservatives in the  Legislature, the  only use for unions in these states are to provide labor law Attorneys.

From reading other articles it appears that his supervisors are more incompetent than he is and that is why he keeps getting rehired.

The state is reviewing his LEO accreditation next month, lets hope they are more competent than his bosses.
 
2013-05-02 09:05:17 PM  

liam76: The 'employer' is the govt, and police unions have a lot if pull to make sure those contracts are better for bad cops than the public.


Of course the unions want to make sure the contract favors the cops. That's the very purpose of a union. However, police negotiate from a weak position - they can't strike or take any kind of job action if they don't get what they want.

Any contract that favors the cops, as I've stated previously, will allow for abuse by bad cops. That can't be avoided. The same contract that protects good cops from bad discipline will unfortunately allow for a bad cop to escape discipline on occasion. Fortunately those cases are few.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:59 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: The 'employer' is the govt, and police unions have a lot if pull to make sure those contracts are better for bad cops than the public.

Of course the unions want to make sure the contract favors the cops. That's the very purpose of a union. However, police negotiate from a weak position - they can't strike or take any kind of job action if they don't get what they want.

Any contract that favors the cops, as I've stated previously, will allow for abuse by bad cops. That can't be avoided. The same contract that protects good cops from bad discipline will unfortunately allow for a bad cop to escape discipline on occasion. Fortunately those cases are few.


You are really trying to argue cops have a weak position? You are out of your mind.

And you are flat out wrong by pretending those requirements must be there to protect 'goog cops' from 'bad discipline'.

Wearing recording devices, tracking devices in their cars etc would have no negative effect on 'good cops' and would be a great tool to get rid of bad ones.
 
2013-05-02 09:30:55 PM  
The Increasingly Poor Decisions of German Bosque. I'd watch it.
 
2013-05-02 09:42:24 PM  
Holy Fark this guy should have been black balled from police work about 5 firings ago.
 
2013-05-02 09:50:25 PM  

detritus: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

Interracial relationships are the good type of union.  Always good to have the "that's racist" card up your sleeve.


Well, they seem to produce the most beautiful children.  Almost heartbreakingly so, as this Caliban will wistfully admin.
 
2013-05-02 10:00:12 PM  

Percise1: WTH? How can you get fired 8 times from 3 police departments? Why would a department re-hire someone they fired? More than once? 5 times? WTF?
I cant imagine a company that fired me (yep, it has happened) would hire me back and I'm a machinist!

Someone needs to dig a little deeper on this one, because no matter how you slice it, there is a serious problem in the system and it is clearly illustrated.

B


It's a tragic running joke that it's easier to become a cop in Florida than it is to get a job at Walmart, and the joke is not that far from being the truth. I know of way too many guys who couldn't hack the training or minimum requirements in northern states who did juuuuuuust fine in Florida.
 
2013-05-02 10:01:17 PM  
They should disband police unions and make it "At Will" like the rest the country.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:20 PM  

FLMountainMan: Came into this thread expecting people to ignore that the guy has been fired eight times and make broad statements attacking cops but not the unions that allow this nonsense to go on.  Because there are no facets of modern liberal politics that are flawed.  None.  They must all be protected.

Not disappointed.

And yeah, Opa-Locka is scary as shiat.


You sound like a cop
 
2013-05-02 11:06:18 PM  
When you ban the police department from bad cops....something, something...
 
2013-05-02 11:20:54 PM  

croesius: Also,

"The department told arbitrator Jeanne Wood that Sgt. German Bosque should be terminated because he had left a city-owned, 30-round assault rifle like the one used to slaughter 20 elementary school children last year in Connecticut in the hands of his then-girlfriend's father.

Nice grammar fail.


Fact fail as well.
Journalism , who needs facts, when I can they can be fabricated
 
2013-05-02 11:45:00 PM  
FTFA - "because he left his department AR-15 assault-style rifle"
Stopped reading right there, knew it was going to be nothing but utter horse-shiate
 
2013-05-02 11:53:07 PM  
Sounds like a typical Florida cop to me, so what's the problem?
 
2013-05-03 12:10:07 AM  

Percise1: WTH? How can you get fired 8 times from 3 police departments? Why would a department re-hire someone they fired? More than once? 5 times? WTF?
I cant imagine a company that fired me (yep, it has happened) would hire me back and I'm a machinist!

Someone needs to dig a little deeper on this one, because no matter how you slice it, there is a serious problem in the system and it is clearly illustrated.

B


He has something on somebody higher up
 
2013-05-03 12:25:59 AM  

liam76: You are really trying to argue cops have a weak position? You are out of your mind.


Yes, they do. Cops are prohibited from striking or taking any kind of job action against their employer. In contract negotiations they must rely on using comparisons to other police agencies or just plain old political posturing to obtain their demands. They can't use the threat of a strike or a work slow down to get their way as can, say, the UAW.

And you are flat out wrong by pretending those requirements must be there to protect 'good cops' from 'bad discipline'.

That's exactly why they have a disciplinary process.

Wearing recording devices, tracking devices in their cars etc would have no negative effect on 'good cops' and would be a great tool to get rid of bad ones.

You are correct, but that still does not help the cop who gets disciplined because his lieutenant doesn't like him, or because he arrested someone with political pull. If you understood the inner workings of police agencies you'd better understand why protection is necessary. Favoritism is rampant in police departments. Without a system of protection you'd see a lot of good cops leave police work.
 
2013-05-03 12:36:02 AM  
Pryzbylewski?
 
2013-05-03 12:50:08 AM  

liam76: You are really trying to argue cops have a weak position? You are out of your mind.


Cops can't walk off the job and picket, unlike what you saw in Robocop. In fact, State and Federal law prohibit this, and in reality what would happen is that the Governor would send in the National Guard to do their job until they could hire more people, and fire every person who did so.
 
2013-05-03 01:11:22 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: detritus: JasonOfOrillia: Right, but cop unions are the good type of union.

Interracial relationships are the good type of union.  Always good to have the "that's racist" card up your sleeve.

Well, they seem to produce the most beautiful children.  Almost heartbreakingly so, as this Caliban will wistfully admin.


That's because they're a bunch of outbreds from the deep end of the gene pool.
 
2013-05-03 01:41:19 AM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: The 'employer' is the govt, and police unions have a lot if pull to make sure those contracts are better for bad cops than the public.

Of course the unions want to make sure the contract favors the cops. That's the very purpose of a union. However, police negotiate from a weak position - they can't strike or take any kind of job action if they don't get what they want.

Any contract that favors the cops, as I've stated previously, will allow for abuse by bad cops. That can't be avoided. The same contract that protects good cops from bad discipline will unfortunately allow for a bad cop to escape discipline on occasion. Fortunately those cases are few.


The problem is when your union goofs people get killed, arrested, intimidated and lives ruined. I can't think of any other job where I can kill people, destroy there lives and get a paid vacation plus no criminal consequence s for my actions.
 
2013-05-03 01:42:13 AM  

mopar1956: The problem is when your union goofs people get killed, arrested, intimidated and lives ruined. I can't think of any other job where I can kill people, destroy there lives and get a paid vacation plus no criminal consequence s for my actions.


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2013-05-03 01:52:33 AM  
I've seen guys absolutely fired without justification by a vindictive chief, or pissed off mayor, or what have you.  Guys who don't deserve to lose their jobs over trivial matters.  For instance, I know a guy who got fired for using all his sick days two years in a row.  Nevermind that his Chief used all his sick days for the 6 previous years, and it just so happened that the guy had two months before arrested a good friend of the chief.

Those are situations where the police unions, or courts, or arbitors are a good thing.

This, not so much.  I am willing to concede that one or two of those firings might have been unjust or improper, but farking 8 times?  Jesus man!
 
2013-05-03 01:53:59 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: This, not so much.  I am willing to concede that one or two of those firings might have been unjust or improper, but farking 8 times?  Jesus man!


There comes a point when the feds or the state should be able to step in and say "No."

Maybe licensing police officers like we do Healthcare Providers and Security Guards? No license, no ability to work as a cop.
 
2013-05-03 02:01:17 AM  

hardinparamedic: HideAndGoFarkYourself: This, not so much.  I am willing to concede that one or two of those firings might have been unjust or improper, but farking 8 times?  Jesus man!

There comes a point when the feds or the state should be able to step in and say "No."

Maybe licensing police officers like we do Healthcare Providers and Security Guards? No license, no ability to work as a cop.


I don't mind what the right answer is, but it's certainly not whatever is going on in Florida with this guy and this case.

You may be on to something, thought.

I believe 100% that we (being police officers) should have a right to fight for our jobs if we're being fired unfairly.  For the record, I think everyone else should too.  But 8 freaking times, from 3 different agencies?!  that's not an issue with a bad department, that's an issue with a bad officer.
 
2013-05-03 02:39:47 AM  
Awww, he just needs the money to finish off his hair implants.  Can't they just assign him to permanent self tazer testing?
 
2013-05-03 02:48:02 AM  
WWVMD
 
2013-05-03 02:59:55 AM  

ChaosStar: FTFA - "because he left his department AR-15 assault-style rifle"
Stopped reading right there, knew it was going to be nothing but utter horse-shiate


To tell you the truth, any cop leaving their department issued or service weapon unsecured or with a person not with the force would be brought up on charges by many different police departments. That is a Cardinal Sin right there. The reason is that police really don't like when it turns out that a cops gun was used in a crime.
 
2013-05-03 03:55:55 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: hardinparamedic: HideAndGoFarkYourself: This, not so much.  I am willing to concede that one or two of those firings might have been unjust or improper, but farking 8 times?  Jesus man!

There comes a point when the feds or the state should be able to step in and say "No."

Maybe licensing police officers like we do Healthcare Providers and Security Guards? No license, no ability to work as a cop.

I don't mind what the right answer is, but it's certainly not whatever is going on in Florida with this guy and this case.

You may be on to something, thought.

I believe 100% that we (being police officers) should have a right to fight for our jobs if we're being fired unfairly.  For the record, I think everyone else should too.  But 8 freaking times, from 3 different agencies?!  that's not an issue with a bad department, that's an issue with a bad officer.


Yet he has killed four people and robbed or beat up several others. We citizens go to prison for such nonsense his biggest worry is losing his job.

Some bs just doesn't have paralparallels.
 
2013-05-03 04:34:33 AM  
Yet he has killed four people and robbed or beat up several others. We citizens go to prison for such nonsense his biggest worry is losing his job.

Some bs just doesn't have paralparallels.
 
2013-05-03 06:12:55 AM  

mopar1956: The problem is when your union goofs people get killed, arrested, intimidated and lives ruined. I can't think of any other job where I can kill people, destroy there lives and get a paid vacation plus no criminal consequence s for my actions.


Cops are fired, suspended without pay and arrested all the time. In fact, I pointed out in an earlier post that the cop in the article was described as the  "most disciplined, fined, fired, arrested police officer in the state."

This idiot is an anomaly. He has abused the system and been fortunate enough to get sympathetic arbitrators to overturn his discipline. He is not representative of police in general, although many would argue otherwise. How he has managed to keep his job and his certification as a police officer is beyond me.
 
2013-05-03 07:15:37 AM  
Cletus C.:And not a single Willy Wonka comment. I guess I was the only ignorant enough to be amused by that name.

I was wondering if I was the only one to read that "Oompa-Loompa"....
 
2013-05-03 07:42:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Yes, they do. Cops are prohibited from striking or taking any kind of job action against their employer. In contract negotiations they must rely on using comparisons to other police agencies or just plain old political posturing to obtain their demands. They can't use the threat of a strike or a work slow down to get their way as can, say, the UAW.


I guess thatis why when the union crackdowns in Wisconsin were going on the police took the brunt of it, ow wait.


CruiserTwelve: That's exactly why they have a disciplinary process.


There is a discipline process that is overly burdensome so bad cops can stay on.


CruiserTwelve: Liam:Wearing recording devices, tracking devices in their cars etc would have no negative effect on 'good cops' and would be a great tool to get rid of bad ones.

You are correct,


Then why are police unions against them?  They are more concerned about protecting "bad" cops.


CruiserTwelve: If you understood the inner workings of police agencies you'd better understand why protection is necessary. Favoritism is rampant in police departments. Without a system of protection you'd see a lot of good cops leave police work


If you were honest you wold realize there is too much protection.

We have been down this path before.  there are tons of videos of cops lying to arrest, lying abotu arrest or outright assaulting innocent people while other cops stand around and watch, or their superiors lie for.  These only come to light because of video evidence.  You have never produced one instance of cops arresting their own for doing this without video evidence.  so either police are magically more prone to act like criminals on camera, or cops covering up for their "brothers" acting like criminals is the norm.

CruiserTwelve: Cops are fired, suspended without pay and arrested all the time. In fact, I pointed out in an earlier post that the cop in the article was described as the "most disciplined, fined, fired, arrested police officer in the state."


Do you think if a non cop was arrested for any of those things they would have escaped prosecution?


hardinparamedic: Maybe licensing police officers like we do Healthcare Providers and Security Guards? No license, no ability to work as a cop


I would be for that.
 
2013-05-03 08:01:23 AM  

CruiserTwelve: So what are you saying? Cops shouldn't be able to negotiate working conditions and wages? They shouldn't be allowed to be represented by counsel at employment and disciplinary hearings?

I don't like it any more then anyone else when some jerk that shouldn't be a cop gets his job back, but to blame a union for that is wrong. If  a hearing officer, civil service board or arbitrator gives a bad cop his job back it's almost always the fault of the employer for making a bad disciplinary decision OR failing to follow the proper procedures to terminate the person. It's not the union's fault for defending the contract or the procedures.


This.

I have a co-worker that the company has tried to fire on multiple occasions over the last eight years, and each time they have had to drop the disciplinary action against him because Management screwed up. He's actually pretty close to getting fired right now, his case is in Arbitration, but the case against him is weak (again) so it looks like he'll skate on this one, too.

I call him "Bulletproof, the Officer Who Can't Be Fired", and he thinks it is a compliment. It's actually meant to insult and embarrass our Managers, since he's a worthless douchebag.
 
2013-05-03 08:09:25 AM  

liam76: CruiserTwelve: Liam:Wearing recording devices, tracking devices in their cars etc would have no negative effect on 'good cops' and would be a great tool to get rid of bad ones.

You are correct,

Then why are police unions against them?  They are more concerned about protecting "bad" cops.


Actually, it is more about preventing abuse from Management than protecting "bad cops". The problem is that people see Unions standing up for bad employees of all stripes, and think that is all they do. The reality is, 90% of a Steward's time is spent dealing with the problems of the same few morons all the time. Everyone else just does their jobs and don't need the help. But here's the thing: If we just look the other way while Management tosses some shiatebird out on his ear, what's to stop them from doing the same thing to any other employee? The fact is Unions have to defend all members, even if they suck, really  especially if they suck, for the good of the whole.
 
2013-05-03 08:29:37 AM  

ADHD Librarian: Doom MD: Why are police officers allowed to have military weapons of mass murder? There's no need for that. They should carry double barrel shotguns like Joe Biden recommends.

Spare a thought for the British police, look at what they have to work with.
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They have to carry an  asian  with a drawing of a gun with them at all times? Why can't they just carry the drawing of the gun themselves? Or is this one of those bloated government "make work" programs. I know asians are small, but even at 90 pounds, that would get tiring after a few hours.
 
2013-05-03 10:10:16 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Cletus C.: Making decisions based on the rules and guidelines set out in the union-negotiated collective bargaining agreement with a union attorney representing him at each hearing.

So what are you saying? Cops shouldn't be able to negotiate working conditions and wages? They shouldn't be allowed to be represented by counsel at employment and disciplinary hearings?

I don't like it any more then anyone else when some jerk that shouldn't be a cop gets his job back, but to blame a union for that is wrong. If  a hearing officer, civil service board or arbitrator gives a bad cop his job back it's almost always the fault of the employer for making a bad disciplinary decision OR failing to follow the proper procedures to terminate the person. It's not the union's fault for defending the contract or the procedures.


Oh give me a break. You're on record as feeling that all cops are good cops and you're all superior. F U
 
2013-05-03 10:52:25 AM  
I want to state publicly that since I usually defend cops from the ridiculous harassment they get from people like FARKERS, this guy should have been fired and thrown off the pension train years ago.

Boo on the union and everyone helping him be such a dickbag representative of the police everyone loves to hate.  They should have flushed this piece of shiat a long time ago.
 
2013-05-03 10:53:00 AM  

MmmmBacon: liam76: CruiserTwelve: Liam:Wearing recording devices, tracking devices in their cars etc would have no negative effect on 'good cops' and would be a great tool to get rid of bad ones.

You are correct,

Then why are police unions against them? They are more concerned about protecting "bad" cops.

Actually, it is more about preventing abuse from Management than protecting "bad cops".


How does more info on police behavior play into "abuse from management"?

MmmmBacon: The problem is that people see Unions standing up for bad employees of all stripes, and think that is all they do. The reality is, 90% of a Steward's time is spent dealing with the problems of the same few morons all the time.


If 90% of the time they are dealing with the "few morons" isn't most their time spent defending bad cops?


MmmmBacon: But here's the thing: If we just look the other way while Management tosses some shiatebird out on his ear, what's to stop them from doing the same thing to any other employee? The fact is Unions have to defend all members, even if they suck, really especially if they suck, for the good of the whole


I could buy that if they were for police resording and location services.  They aren't.

I can support a union that wants their people to be treated "fairly".  Police unions don't want it to be "fair" they want the deck stacked so peopel liek the shiatbird in the article can keep getting employed.  So the daily videos we see of cops lying, and other cops lying to cover up for them aren't punished.
 
2013-05-03 12:05:56 PM  
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How the hell did this guy become a cop once, let alone 8 times?
 
2013-05-03 12:53:41 PM  
I'm not saying all of y'all are dicks, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7t4At6S76M&feature=youtu.be this type of crap doesn't make y'all look good.
 
2013-05-03 01:09:40 PM  

CruiserTwelve: mopar1956: The problem is when your union goofs people get killed, arrested, intimidated and lives ruined. I can't think of any other job where I can kill people, destroy there lives and get a paid vacation plus no criminal consequence s for my actions.

Cops are fired, suspended without pay and arrested all the time. In fact, I pointed out in an earlier post that the cop in the article was described as the  "most disciplined, fined, fired, arrested police officer in the state."

This idiot is an anomaly. He has abused the system and been fortunate enough to get sympathetic arbitrators to overturn his discipline. He is not representative of police in general, although many would argue otherwise. How he has managed to keep his job and his certification as a police officer is beyond me.


He has killed people, cracked skulls, stolen property. Pretty sure us non cops would get more then being arrested. How can you keep defending the unions who protect these guy's? That's right, the blue wall. You are part of the problem sorry you do not realize it.
 
2013-05-03 02:14:05 PM  
CruiserTwelve:  Favoritism is rampant in police departments. Without a system of protection you'd see a lot of good cops leave police work.

Oh noes, we'd lose 2% of the force, and be left with the 98% that make the rest of the cops look bad.
 
2013-05-03 02:26:26 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Oh give me a break. You're on record as feeling that all cops are good cops and you're all superior. F U


No, I'm not. If you actually paid attention instead of making assumptions about me, you'd notice that I have condemned bad cops on numerous occasions. Go back and look at my posts in the very article, for example.
 
2013-05-03 02:36:59 PM  

mopar1956: He has killed people, cracked skulls, stolen property. Pretty sure us non cops would get more then being arrested. How can you keep defending the unions who protect these guy's? That's right, the blue wall. You are part of the problem sorry you do not realize it.


The union isn't defending a bad cop, the union is defending the contract and defending the disciplinary process. Everybody knows that this guy should be fired, but to allow him to be fired without following the agreed upon process sets a precedent that allows any cop, even good cops, to be fired without cause and without following the agreed upon procedures. The system isn't perfect and no system is, but in a vast majority of cases bad cops are fired and good cops are protected and that's how the system is supposed tom work.

What you're asking is akin to sentencing someone to jail without a trial because we "know" he's guilty. We've all seen guilty defendants get off because they took advantage of the weaknesses in the judicial system. But we don't throw out the system because of that because the system works as designed 99% of the time. If we change the system to eliminate the few guilty people that are acquitted, then we're also allowing more innocent people to be found guilty.
 
2013-05-03 04:25:13 PM  

Cletus C.: DerPups: Cletus C.: DerPups: please don't be tampa please don't be tampa...


oh yah!

Nope. Opa-Locka

And not a single Willy Wonka comment. I guess I was the only ignorant enough to be amused by that name.

Opa-Locka is down in Miami-Dade and it's a serious neighborhood. some parts of it are safe sure but you know how rappers always give props to 'what hood theys from'?

Opa-Locka is a frequently mentioned one

Doesn't sound like a place I want to be taking my talents.


Mime?
 
2013-05-03 05:09:50 PM  

MmmmBacon: But here's the thing: If we just look the other way while Management tosses some shiatebird out on his ear, what's to stop them from doing the same thing to any other employee?


Not being a shiatebird?
 
2013-05-03 06:18:49 PM  

CruiserTwelve: mopar1956: He has killed people, cracked skulls, stolen property. Pretty sure us non cops would get more then being arrested. How can you keep defending the unions who protect these guy's? That's right, the blue wall. You are part of the problem sorry you do not realize it.

The union isn't defending a bad cop, the union is defending the contract and defending the disciplinary process. Everybody knows that this guy should be fired, but to allow him to be fired without following the agreed upon process sets a precedent that allows any cop, even good cops, to be fired without cause and without following the agreed upon procedures. The system isn't perfect and no system is, but in a vast majority of cases bad cops are fired and good cops are protected and that's how the system is supposed tom work.

What you're asking is akin to sentencing someone to jail without a trial because we "know" he's guilty. We've all seen guilty defendants get off because they took advantage of the weaknesses in the judicial system. But we don't throw out the system because of that because the system works as designed 99% of the time. If we change the system to eliminate the few guilty people that are acquitted, then we're also allowing more innocent people to be found guilty.


For what it's worth, I don't think you're a dick, or a troll, or "part of the problem". You seem to be very aware of what the problem is and even more aware of why the problem won't be going away anytime soon. You know how the system works and how it doesn't. As civilians, though, it looks much different from the outside looking in. Where you see a system set up to protect actual good cops from getting railroaded, we just see a system that protects bad cops from getting punished properly. I don't think either viewpoint is wrong or right, they're just two parts of a fact.
 
2013-05-03 06:35:48 PM  

mooseyfate: Where you see a system set up to protect actual good cops from getting railroaded, we just see a system that protects bad cops from getting punished properly.


Mostly what we see from the outside are cops getting away with things that would bring down the wrath of the entire state and/or Federal judicial systems if us lowly civilians were accused of them.  What bothers me is that cops are universally held to lower standards than civilians, when we should hold them to higher standards.  Unions play a big part in that unfortunate reality.
 
2013-05-03 07:24:36 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: mooseyfate: Where you see a system set up to protect actual good cops from getting railroaded, we just see a system that protects bad cops from getting punished properly.

Mostly what we see from the outside are cops getting away with things that would bring down the wrath of the entire state and/or Federal judicial systems if us lowly civilians were accused of them.  What bothers me is that cops are universally held to lower standards than civilians, when we should hold them to higher standards.  Unions play a big part in that unfortunate reality.


Yup. Nothing like judicial double-standards.

Unless you're any combination of wealthy, famous, or politically-connected, you're little more than target practice.
 
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